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     | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 05:36 pm I would like to know why you would not support O.N.L.F? Please don't give me the name issues again. I need a valid reason beyond the name OGADINIA. I challenge you for once. Thank you.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 07:33 pm koshin waa iga su,aal why o.n.l.f aynan oladagaalamin itoopiyanka waqtigi mingiste intuu dhacay tigreegu wali dhulka iman oo sidi eretariya yeeshay aanay uyeelin? waa iyaga hada dagaalamayee??? Ps. anigu waa taageeri cid waliba oo xoriyad soomaali galbeed ukeeni karta.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 01:09 am Ninka Ani yidhi dad iska reeb. Saaxiib inagoon waxba hayn ayaad gooni iska dhigtay. Aan ku taageeree Dhulka ha kala qaybin.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 08:50 am CIGE XILLIGII MINGISTE DHACAY ONLF XOOG AMA AWOOD AY KULA DAGAALAMAAN KAGANA CELIYAAN DHULKA TIGREYGA MAYSAN LAHAYN. XILLIGAASE LAGA SOO GUDUB XAALKUNA WAA MAANTA MAXAAN QABAN KARRAA. LIIBAAN AAN KUUGU CELIYO SUAASHUU KOSHIN SOO BANDHIGAY. WAX MABDA' AH OOD ONLF KAGA SOO HORJEEDO MA JIRAA MAGAC MOOYEE? HADDAADAN SU'AASHAA KA JAWAABI KARIN OOD KU MEERAYSANAYSO MAGAC IYO WAXAAN FAA'IIDO LAHAYN DOODI KAA XIDHAN.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 09:43 am sonkor iyo baasaboor bay iibinaysay markii loo diidayn dabkay qaadatay.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 11:26 am well the devil is in the details. before we start an armed struggle , we have to unite all the people of the region, not under a tribal shadow ,but a national identity. this is precursor to any genuine struggle . you would be naive though if you think you can liberate the land from the ethiopians, under a clan name. why can't you then drop the name for the sake ofthe unity ofthe people ? just a thought
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 12:14 pm nin ani yiri dad iska reeb: runtii waxaa ka sii liita ka le ani ha oran, isaguna waxba lahyn. inaad mucaarado mooyee wax la mucaarado ama la taageero keena. five star: the strugle is not about to start now, you are either ignoring the fact or weren't interested. ONLF, WSLF, NASrullahi and much more went and fought with difficulty and at times appeared to reach the goal but it wasn't meant to be that way may be. for all I care if Iam not fighting I will support whom ever is, and so do all you. thank you.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 12:43 pm Hello, It is sad none of you gave me any valid reason beyond your personal animosities against the name Ogadenia. I believe I made my self clear on my statements, which said, tell me why beyond the name. I need you to outline your arguments. For those of you who wish to revisit the ONLF struggle, it is sad to see you are the ones whom are prisoner of your own clannish mentalities. Even though, I hate to be dragged into this name issue again here you go for your sake. Again, Let me explain to you why we have opted to carry on this name In one point you are assuming we are leaving behind our Somalis brothers and sisters and the other had you're distinctively referring this my case and mine alone? If this is my case how can I leave behind others? Does it ever acquire to you our destiny and their destiny coincides at hand and hand and those who are dying at the hands of colonial soldiers are not only Ogden clan. Let me explain to you what is going on, there are some individuals who can not stand the name Ogadenia because they think it stands for the Ogaden clan alone. I strongly disagree with their views for these reasons. First of all, Ogadenia is well-recognized name known for this land for more than a century. We opted to keep it for now because it serves our interest and it is in line with International territorial divisions adopted by the United Nations. If we renamed to Western Somali right now it would conflict with international laws since no Western Somali exist that is recognized. Second, there are a lot of human rights abuses taking place in this region and we need the international community to be aware of with out getting confused with Somalia. We would like to make it clear to them that these abuses are taking place in Ogadenia region of Ethiopia rather than Western Somali that does not exist. I am bluff by your blind accusations against the ONLF. I am even disappointed that you have not backed your statements with valid points. It seems to me your points are nothing more that a hit and run smears against a reputable Organization that is working towards your own self-liberation. It is sad to see comments like yours are what will keep us a part and jeopardizing our struggle. I would like to give you a brotherly advice to seek the truth before resorting to statements that will help our enemy. Going back to your statements let me ask you 1. Have you read the ONLF charter? And if so where in the charter does it say that it is clan-affiliated group? 2. Did you try to join the ONLF? If so where you denied to be a member? 3. Did you try to make donation of any sort including monetary, ideas, and your time? If so where you denied that? I would like to make a clear statement that the ONLF does not discriminate any body to join for our struggle. It is possible that you made your own determination that you don't want to join the ONLF for reasons not given. If that is the case is it the ONLF fault? In fairness to you I will hold my statements until you respond to my questions. PS. It is my best on intention to keep this debate clean. I would appreciated and expect other to do likewise.
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 03:04 pm dear bro koshin you articulate your point reasonably, but family wise iam not far from you. if we want to steer from the truth clear and far , then onlf is a legitimate organization.as far as i know , and as far as i hate the abysinians who have deep rooted hatred for somalia, i wouldn't take the arms once more to become a rebel without a cause. you know what had happened to wslf in its existance , when abdala hassan , and mohamed ugaas cabdi were there.don't be misguided by some charters or other nonsense.you and i know the fact that onlf is based on clan. when we were fighting with the ethiopians yesterday, you were fighting amongst yourselfes on baseless things. the only thing the onlf is doing is dividing the people of the western somalia , nothing more nothing less, and so far the onlf is succeeding. as far as iam concerned, where iam from jigjiga is safe and presperous place to live. there is no undue stress on us,so i don't justify taking up arms, unless all the conditions are met, and the people of the region from the smallest tribe to the largest like you people understand what it's like to be one. in the meantime iwill try to advice you people to stop the dream that will never realize. peace
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| | Wednesday, February 28, 2001 - 05:44 pm Five Star I would like to thank you for your civility and kindnes in regards to my on going debate. Even though our ideas weight in difference never the less I am encouraged by your responses. I have attempted to explain my self in the past and I wanted to see if those of you who have difference of opinion could help me understand why you have negative feeling about ONLF? I am not claiming to be right nor am I judging to the conclusion. I got out four main points in your message but unfortunately they are in contradiction with one another. 1. You claim we are not far from each other family wise but if that is true why is your interest is not in line with ours? Could it be ideology is more important than family grouping? Isn’t this one of your pivotal arguments against ONLF being one clan? Does this prove to you that family grouping does not matter unless you have a common vision? This is what the ONLF has being trying to tell you guys for a long time. I would like you to also keep in mind that there are even those who are more closer than you who oppose the ONLF at the same time there are those of a distance family grouping who are heading the fields based on their personal believe and common ideology. 2. You claim to hate the Abysinians who you said have deep rooted hatred for Somalis. I am bluffed to hear that you speak of as a genuine individual who cares his people and yet again you are just digging your self even a deeper whole. Why? Simply what are doing to contribute on going struggle? And if nothing then why are you refusing others to stand up to their enemies? You have never denied the rights to join or form your own alternative group. You either join, 3. You claim the ONLF is dividing people and it is succeeding. It is surprising you never mention how so? The ONLF invited all of the people in the region with an open hand. Some took the call while the others refused. The truth is there are two kinds of people in the region one that support TPLF and one that support ONLF nothing falls in between. 4. You claim JigJiga is safe and prosperous place to live. There is no undue stress on you, so you don’t justify taking up arms. Wow! This is a powerful statement and all along I knew you guys where just using Ogadenia name as a smoke screen to cover up your plight. The whole reason I have initiated this debate is to bring this truth in the open-air spectrum. My brother, this is admission that your struggles begins and ends with the residence of your clan. If JigJiga is prosperous what about the rest of the country? JigJiga might be prosperous for you but for me it serves us the central point of our destruction. Just as reason as February 13 TPLF held a meeting chaired by the figure head president Mr. Abdirashiid Dualane and the substance of that meeting was how to eliminate ONLF whom are thought to be the biggest treat to TPLF rule. I felt betrayed by the people of JigJiga for allowing and supporting this type of death trap against their contract in the struggle of decolonialization. It is true that you have fought this nasty enemy of ours and yes I don admit there have been past mistakes made by WSLF, but we are in a different time and better leadership. Finally, my brother I would like you to self evaluate your reasons for supporting TPLF. To me like I have outlined for you our struggle is real and if you think JigJiga will survive past the TPLF you are wrong and if so only ask AMBASSOTOR KAAHIN WHO IS IN ATLANTA. If you don’t know him I will not pin point for you, I will interest you to do your own homework perhaps he will enlighten you on what is really going on in the region. Thank you Brother five start.
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 07:24 am well said koshin: my brother told us his Place JIGJIGA " is safe place and presperous and there is no undue sterss on them, and he ain't gonna take up arms unless all the conditions are met". Great but to my chagrin he left out what conditions?. may allah bless jigjiga but I tend to disagree with every thing is well and peacefull. in the previous topic five star's argument was we need to unite the people to have a meaningfull strugle but now seem to only care Jigjiga. ever since the leagu was formed by then minster abdimajid with the blessing of Jigjiga , jigjiga's prisons became the grave yard of ONLF members, cadets and supporters. my friend ONLF was created by men and women who were brave enough to risk their live and stand up to siad barre and blieve me many went to jail and were subjected to indignity and constant harrasment. I am not saying every thing is perfect with ONLF and I disagree some times of their policy but unlike you my friend they care all of us you and me, she and he those and these corner to corner. Thank you.
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 04:19 pm To Koshin: bro I'm from Hawd and i'm not ogaden. I have nothing to do with ogaden other than the somali nationality. You're telling me why not support the ONLF. Well,I gotta tell you it's the name. when you said"Ogaden" it means you exclude me and other somali tribes. If you exclude us, why should we,non-ogadenis, bother interfering with your own business. So if we,western-somalis don't support your group don't blame us because we have no mandate to get into your business. If you want our help we only can help you in the name of somalisism. The only thing i'm closer to you from abyssinians is somaliness. If you refuse the somaliness, bye,bye.
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 05:00 pm TO: Hawd-boy I think you jumped to the conclusion with out reading my arguments. I am surprised how many times do one have to explain him self. Anyway: Let me ask you, How are you going to help me in the name of Somaliness when you your self are trying to break away the bonding? think again, we got you where you are today take the free ride and thank Sayid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan and his brave soldiers. The irony is I am the one who is working towards Somali unity. I am the one who's leaders have a vision of greater somali unity. Insha'allah our dream will merialize to be part of the union with somali or independant country call it what you want Western Somali Republic. I am sorry my friend I would have to decline your help and you keep it, but promise me don't harm us by sidding with the TPLF. Just leave us alone! take care.
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| | Thursday, March 01, 2001 - 06:55 pm Salaamu calaykum doodani waxay xiiso u ledahay dadka aan ku jiro ee deggan gobolka soomaalidu degto ee Ethiopia-ahayna qabiilka Ogaden. runtii waa wax aad lola yaabo waqtigan la joogo in dadka qaar raadinayaan "Wax aan suurta galaynin". Kama soo horjeedo in qof dulmi tirsanayaa uu dhiidhiyo, laakiin qofkku wuxuu xaq u leeyahay in uu ku tasarufo waxa uu isagu iskii u leeyahay. Gobolkan waxaa deggan dad asalkoodu uu Somali yahay qabiilo badanna leh, mana dafirayo in uu qabiilka Ogadenku yahay ka ugu deegaan ballaadhan. arrintanse ku saabsan Jabhadda ONLF- iigama duwana magac ay la baxday jabhadi-waqtigii uu soo baxayna waa la yaqaanaa(taas oo ahayd siddeetamaadki)-Saaxiibayaal in taariikhda laga beensheego ama dadka la marin habaabiyo ma aha- gobolkan magacyo badan ayaa soo maray- waxaa la oran jiray -BARIGA HARAR, iyo kan imika la yidhaa ee Kililka shanaad,mana xasuusanayo magac uga daran-kii uu gumaysigu ula baxay OGADENIA. anigu ma diidani jiritaanka bulshada Ogaden:waa dad walaalahay ah; waxaase runtii wax aad looga naxo iyada oo aan arkayno tii soomaliya ragga siyaasada xagga urracan ka joogsaday ee raba in ay magac qabiil kku halagamaan-Ok,ka soo qaad iyagoo ku guulaystay_Ma qabil baa Dawlad keligii nqonaya- Yaa taageera ururka hadda- Dadka dega degaanku door faacil ah ayey ku leeyihiin Dawladda Ehiopia, madaxdii u sarsarraysay ee soo martayna ma ahayn qabiilkan sida Madixii rurkii soomaalida degaankaasi iskugu tegtay Abdimajid isaga oo weliba wasiir ahaa iyio ku xigeenkiisii Shamsaddiin kaas oo weliba ahaa wasir ku xigeen iyo rag badan oo hadda madax iyo safiiro ah,Kama maqno madaxda qabiilkan taageera Jabhaddu. shakhsiyan ma taageero mana taageeri doono umana arko in ay dadka gobolka matasho Jabhadda Ogaden, Waxaa iaga talo ah inta ay goori- goor tahay in siyaasadaha wax laga baddelo si aan hadhow loo qoomamayn tamartii la soo bixiyey.
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 07:56 am Haybe: walaalkayoow waan ku salaamay,waxaanse aad uga xumahay inaad cabdi majiid nin madax ah oo waddanka wax u qabtay ka dhigtay. anigu waxaan u arkaa nin dhiigya cab ah go'aanna ku gaadhay in uu suuf iyo xanjo wax uu isku guntaba ogaadeen iyo absame wadaanta la gooyo. cabdi majiid waa qabiilayste qiiq isku qarinaya ee bal adna nala dhawr. walaal waxaa la yiri hasha diidane geed ay ku xoqoto ma waydo. in badan oo qabta inaynu gumaysiga la noolaanno baa always magac ku soo orodda. waxaad doonto la bax ee gumaysiga dhinacaaga kala dagaalan markaan ka adkaanno ogaadeen iga maqlimaysid.
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 03:07 pm Heybe: Walaal waan ku salaamey. Salaan kadib waxaan kuu rajeynayaa qeyr iyo barwaaqo meelkastod ood joogtid aduunkan. Waxaan filayaa dadkii dani dhaxtaalo uun baa doodina dhaxmari kartaa. Sidaa owgeed doodu waa kuu furantahay ee soo dhowoow hana is martiyeenin. Haddii aan u noqdo su'aasheedii aheed "waxkaloo oon magaca aheen oo ku diidan tihiin ONLF majiraa? Aniga taas ayaan dadka soo bandhigey. Jawaabtuna waa sidan: Haa ama Maya. Haa: noo cadee. Maya: then waanu kawada hadli karnaa anagoo focuskeena saareyna arintan. Walaal marka hore ONLF qabiilka ogaden oo kaliya ma matasho, bil xaqiiqiya waxaa jira dad ogaden ah oo aan support gareen ururkan. Tusaale ahaana u fiiriya Kiilka Shanaan sida aad adigu sheegtay in kastoo aad tusaale u soo qabsatay Abdimajid oo aad tiri madaxdii hore ma aheen ogaden waan runtaa. Lakiin ma'adan dhameystrin tusaalahadii hore. Abdilmajid JigJiga ayaa lagu dhisay mana dhaafijirin markuu dhaafayna 5 xabadood ayaa laqabsiyey oo waa tii yuhuuda lagu soo daweeyey. Kuxigeenkiisana waa tii la hirhirey ninkii IID la oranjirey. Sabatan owgeed ayaa tigreyku qorowsadey in ay ubaahan yihiin hogaan ogaden oo waa tuu KHADAR odeyaashii tikreyga kala soo xaajooday arinkan markii danbena ku guuleystay inuu isaga madax ka noqdo gobolka. Haddan waxaa uga danbeeyey Abdirashiid dulane. Balmarka aan u noqdo tusaalaheygii aan ku weydiyo nimankan yeey yihiin soo ogaden ma'aha maxeysa u support grani waayeen ONLF? tani waxey ku tuseysaa inuusan arrinku sidaa moodeen uusan aheen. Wa'ayo dadka ka dagaalamayo qeybaha badi ey ONLF ka howlgasho mataqaana? Waa dadyow aan ku abtirsan qabiilka ogadenka ee ku abtirsada gobolka. Marka walaal dadka qadiyey ayey ku waloowaan ee magac kuma walaalowaan. Waxaadna to arragtaa in magacan lagu dheganin doono haddii xoriyey laqaato, aniga oo ogaden ah ayaa raali kanoqoneyn doonayana markii xoriya laqaato in dadka oo dhan isku tagaa oo waxaad jeceshihiin loo bixiyo. Lakiin hadda dhulku wuxuu hoos tagaa gumeysi oo waana loo yaqaana magacan marka hadalkii ku dheeraatey iga raali ahaada. fadlan ninyadiin fura oo qeyrka allaha idin uuntay fiiriya oo dadkan masaakiinta lawada gumeysto gacan siiya.
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 04:05 pm here i go again. one thing though, this descusion has been purely an intellectual one. to answer your questions, one i believe you are not in western somalia,because the reality is that no one other than ogadens support the onlf.why you might ask. it's built on clan. the reason i ,and the other people who are from the western somalia won't support it is that we don't think an armed struggle should be carried away under a clan flag. i don't support the tplf, but the truth of the matter is there is no systematic abuse in the whole region to justify an armed struggle. the conditions for an armed struggle include ,but not limited to the following. one we have to have a common objective ,and strategy.iam jidwaaq and i can't even think myself taking up a riffle under onlf because i feel i don't feel i belong. i don't even think even to have something as absame ;liberation front, i would rather have western somali liberation front where no one is left out. why can't you people see the wisdom behind changing this devisive name. your people will reap the benefit if this land is freed, because they are the majority .as for me i willn't support onlf, and also i willn't allow the peacefull jigjiga to succumb to the chaos that exists in the ogaden lands. if you want to truly work for somalia ,welcome, otherwise let's go our seperate ways.
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 06:32 pm Five Star. My brother your are absolutely right this discussion is purely intellectual one and I am glad you and I can have one with out biases or neglect to self-respect. Having said that I am surprised that you haven’t moved your position a pit even though I explained my points regarding ONLF where very explicit one. Never the less, I am honor to open your eyes with facts that will help you reach a positive conclusion towards ONLF. 1. You have suggesting to carry on Western Somali Liberation Front’s name, but let me ask you first where is Western Somalia located? 2. If ONLF is a clan based and you have mentioned that Ogadens are the majority and would reap the benefit why is it then ONLF fighting? 3. JigJiga is a city among whole and don’t assume if JigJiga is peaceful for you that there is no human rights abuses taking place in Ethiopia because I will show you proof of evidence. Explanations 1. As of right now Ogadenia belongs to the Ethiopians and that is the reality our people have to deal with for now. We can’t change the name because it is not ours yet. According to the territorial charter adopted by member countries of the United Nations clearly marks under Ethiopian territory. I hope we agree so far on this. If you do then, let me ask you where in the hell do Western Somali fall in? I do understand this is what you would like to see named to a future state if it is born and I agree with you but how can we ignore the fact that this land is not in our hands to make a name change judgements. This is what got us into the mess in 1977-78 war with Ethiopia. All Ethiopia had to say to the world was look Somali is invading us and they supported. I do understand your desire to change this name but we need to be realist and fight what it is line with International borders, because if we don’t world opinions could back fire against our struggle. 2. This is funny my brother if the ONLF is a clan based why are we fighting against Abdirashiid dulane and his administration? Isn’t he and majority of his administration an Ogden clan? The Ogadens in your word are the majority and would reap the benefit so why fight it? Well, if ONLF was clan based then they would have no reason to fight isn’t it? Well my brother ONLF has different ideology and their thinking is greater than what some of you cannot overlook. 3. I am greatly disappointed your baseless claims that there are no systematic abuses to justify arm struggle. I can see your campus is not hitting past JigJiga and that is okay because like I said before here is the proof and I want everybody to see your lies. I am enclosing here U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE HUMAN RIGHTS PRACTICES REPORT FOR 2000. Please read carefully and you will see the report contains not 1 or 2 pages but 24pages documenting TPLF abuses in relationship to their people and it is neighbors.
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 06:34 pm Sorry! Here is the attachments.http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2000/af/index.cfm?docid=789
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 07:06 pm i remember back inthe middle of the wslf's stuggle back in late seventies and early eighties, while the jidwaaq, and the hawiye's axmed guray gaas was fighting together against the ethiopians ,the ogaden gaas was fighting among themselves, for who should be the leader of their gaas, reer isaaq or reer abdulle. this was the reality then, and still is the reality now. iam not telling any lies, but iam sheding some light on the truth. i have the same interest as you or any somali or muslim in the western somalia. if you want to change that stupid name ,then i will support you and pay a monthly due ,otherwise let the wounds deepen,and the ears jam,and the land go. as much as i love my brothers ,ogaden, i despise their method of acheiving the goal. by the way you are very intelligent person,but blinded by the grand image of onlf. in reality it's a hot air,cuz onlf isn't making any progress militarilly. or i think it's the camel herder's bluff. peace
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| | Friday, March 02, 2001 - 08:13 pm to koshin, Adeer waanu kaaxishooneynay inti horoodhan dee hada inaan runta cadeeyo bay tagtay. MEESHAN WAXA ISUJAWAABI OO KOLBA WAX KUQORI OO ISLA HADLI WAA ADIGA!!! KOLBA MAGAC INTAAD BADALATO HA ISUJAWAABIN KALIGAA OOD UMALEYN IN DADKU KUFAHMEYN!!! KUSII DHEERAN MAAYO EE ARINTANI KASHIFMATEE CADEE QALADKA AAD GASHAY OO QIRO MAR DANBE INAADAN UNOQON SI TAADA DANBE AYAN WAXBA UGUDHIMIN!!!!! THIS GAME IS OVER!
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| | Sunday, March 04, 2001 - 11:49 am Salaam. Waan taagersanahay rayiga "Aragti dheere' isagaana runta igala hormaray, waxanan qabaa in magacaanta Koshin iyo MHJ ay mid iskugu tagaan. waxaan markaas ka dib soo qori doonaa dood kale oo ku saabsan sheekadan- Haddii kale.......
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| | Monday, March 05, 2001 - 10:52 am ARAGTI-DHEERE IS THAT YOUR NEW MODE CALLED(PRANOIA) TO :KOSHIN LET THEM GO THEIR WAY WE CAN FREE OUR LAND WITH OR WITHOUT THEM (IF WE UNITED) I MEAN OGADEN CLAN+ABSAME(IF THEY WILL) A SAYING SAYS:HE WHO ARGUE WITH IGNORANT GET OLD SOON.(SOME PPL NEED BE IGNORED) THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING EID MUBARAK ALL MY BROTHERS/SISTERS OF OGADEN
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| | Monday, March 05, 2001 - 12:38 pm Asalamu Caleykum: Waa idin salaamey. Salaan kadib, waxaan isku ogeen inaan la isku xadgudbin oo qofkii wax isku haya uu doodiisa oo cilmiyeysan halkan ku soo gudbiyo kiikalena uu iskaga gaabsado. Hadda kahore ayaa Waxaa lawareestay A Buqaari oo ahaa nin magac kuleh muslimiinta qoraal badana laga soo weriyey. Ninka waxaa uu yidhi labo nin markaan isku fiiriyey haddii aan ahay buqaari mid waa iga adag yahay midna aniga ayaa ka adag. waxaa layidhi arintaas noo faahfaahi, wuxuu yidhi ninka waxbartay aniga ayaa ka adag sabobtoo ah waa nin ifahmayo oo markaan wax cad cad aan tuso ayuu fahmayaa oo arrinkii oo durba maskaxdiisa ayuu adeegsanayaa. Lakiin wuxuu yidhi ninka iga adag waa kan jaahilka ah oo sabobtoo ah wuxuu yidhi haddii aan isku dayo waxkasta ma qancayo. Haddab walaalayaa waxba waqtiga ha iska dhuminina haddii aad heysaa wax cad cad soo qora haddii kale sidii ciyaalkii oo kale meel yaanan isaga dhicin. aniga markasta waxaan adeegsanayaa xaqiiqda aniga oo isku daya inaan sifudud oo ku fahantaan idinkus soo bandhigayo. waxakaloo layaable in walaalkey fivestar uusan wax hadal ah oo Human rights abuse ka dhacay een u soo gudbiyey uu xanuun ka muujinin oo wali lasoo taagan yahay haddii aan jidwaaqnahay iyo waxaad tihin urur qabiil. Inta ka badan idin ma qancinikaro ee ilaahay ha idin qanciyo. Mida kale JIDWAAQ oo Ogaden weyday waa geed aan sal laheen ama diid ama daa. Waqtigey ahaatana waa la isaga imin.
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| | Monday, March 05, 2001 - 02:04 pm MR. Mohamed. Thank you brother. I seriously wanted to see if I can learn little more about their arguments but it seems they would like to resort to Pranoi instead of making points. Thanks.
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| | Monday, March 05, 2001 - 08:35 pm aragti dheere. war qofyahow aragti dheeridaa, markaan aqriyey fariintaada ayaan usiifiirsaday qoraalada waxaana qiyaasay 99% waxa markasto magaca badalanayo inuu KOSHIN yahay, hadeer fiiri maxamed qofka labaxay waa asaga. Koshin haduu maskax leeyahay markasto intuu magaca badasho asaga lee yuusan usajawaabin isaga oo doonayo in page-kan uufuray inuusan boring noqonin. Aniga waxey ilatahay page-kan sida Title kisa uu spelling iyo grammar-kiisa uqaldan yihiin ayuu isagane uqaldan yahay-so, Koshin take a look and adjust it please! thanks.
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| | Tuesday, March 06, 2001 - 11:28 am Duceysane Raga meel ha oga dhicina. Haddii aadan waxba heyn runta qirta oo meesha isaga baxa. Ma afkii baa juqda gabey? Intaa inaad ka fiicneydeen baan idiinka filaayey. War waa balaayo idinka magac uun baa la idinka raacay oo markii hore waxay aheed Ogadenia ayuunu dood ka qabnaa? haddana ma magaceygii baad dood kaqabtaan?
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| | Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 09:45 am To: Koshin Walaal dhag ha'udhigin dadkan sababtoo ah dabeecadan waa mid ay iska wada yaqanan.Inay dadka ku dhahan hal qof bad islatahay.Fiiri adayku leeyihin aqli haduuleyahay magacyada muun badbadasheen i mean what kind of person would waste he/she time to keep answer themselves. Think guys before u post stuff. Kooshin keep it up the good work
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| | Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 10:48 am five star: you remember late seventies and eighties when the Jidwaaq and the Hawiyas" ahmed gurey" of the WSLF were fighting agaisnt the ethiopian army the Ogadens were busy shooting at themselves. what an utter nonsense.my friend you may have seen 1 or 2 loonies fighting over their ego but Iam sure the whole clan were not in it. it seems to me some thing sinister in nature is blind siding you to see the good and deeds of the courauges many of the ogadens. I wonder how you can invoke of such a legendry greats as of Mohamed ugas abdi and deny any one let he/she be of any tribe thier rightfull place in history. ever since the Amharas set foot on our land the ogadens were linig up in front of the line of duty and my allah bless them so the gone. my friend if you really are who you told us you are I strongly suggest you to refrain such inflamotry phrases beacuse it will only serve well for the enemy.keep in mind I am in no way condemning healthy discussin last I am not inviting you to join ONLF but to join the strugle. remember all roads lead to rome pick and choose yours and let us meet their. SEE YA'.
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| | Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 03:45 pm Thank you Sweetheart. You see I am glad HMJ is back and he is contributing his message loud and clear. Mr. HMJ I am begging to wonder if my peers are listening or not. I would like to remind them that the source of our debate is not WSLF but ONLF. 1. He is going back to WSLF and it is leadership. I am talking about ONLF these are two different organizations and should be examined differently. 2. He calls ONLF a clan-affiliated group but yet to my wonder Mr. Five start’s own explanations are directed to pick out only the Ogaden clan's fault within the dynamics of WSLF. My friend we can debate about WSLF and why it has failed as an organization. I would be willing to expose you to a lot of things that if you are honest and surely trust the work of academia it will be a sufficient enough to make you understand.
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| | Wednesday, March 07, 2001 - 05:09 pm Salaam waxaa xusuus mudan sida dooddan oo kale ay xiiso u leedahay. Markii aan dooddan soo galayna- wuxuu saaxiibkeenna DOODDA furay (and his partner HMJ) ay noo sheegeen sida hadalka ay ay iigu jawabayeen ku cad "Aniga oo ah Ogaden ayaaban aqbalayn in magacani sii socdo,ee marka aan xorriyada qaadanno ayaan iska baddalaynaa" Ma ini la tahaymaantana qolo ta kale ka aqbalayso in magaca reerkooda wax lagu doono- xattaa ilmaha yar ayaana maanta tan la marsiinayn. Ta kale Kooshin waxaad sheeganaysaa AQOON, Yaarayt law cindak- Ma waxaad soo qori lahayd waxan kor ku qoran. haddaad si fiican u akhriday dooddayda sare waxaad fahmaysaa waxa aan u jeedo- Ta kale ninkan Abdimajid ee aad ku kacsan tahay, waxaad xasuusnaataa in uu muwaadin yahay-qabyaaladane aqoonta aan u leehay adaa ka badiya- sifadaana ma idhaahdeen haddaan ogahay in uu maalin uu soo qori waxan aad sare ku soo qortay. Saaxibayaal calooshiinna cuqdadda ka saara oo tayo yeesha dadkiinana dhan ka raaca -Hana ku daalina wax aan faa'iido lahayn-. soo gudbi wax logic ah bal aan kugu diidnee!
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 05:47 am koshin. qofyahow Ogaden baad sheeganeysaa waxa sida qaldan uhadli oo kolba magaca intuubadasho Ogaden ama ONLF wax kasheegi waa adiga ee qofyahow maxaad kawadaa!!!? eeg HMJ iyo Haybe labadaba waa adiga, Qofyahow isku makalsanid, aad baana ugu farxay in horayba ragkale kusheegeen inaad magaca badalato meshana adiga oo qudh ah isujawaabi oo kolna Ogaden caayi kolna dufaaci, Garan maayo waxaad kawadid ee Qof yahow sidan iskabadal!.
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 07:33 am Koshin.. This ppl are sick, They keep rebating same word You open very good discussions and look how they twisted. Well The only thing I could say, they cant challenge with you, they cant take the heat cuz they run out of words.. Ps.Koshin believe me they accusing you using different name but they are the one who is using different shirt... peace,respect and one love to my all ppl around the world...
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 11:50 am farxaan: ninbaa beri laga sheegay manaa waalan mise cadan baa laga heesayaa. war nin yahoow horebaan dadka ugu sheegye koshin ma ihi. ma aqaan waa iga wallaahiye waligay xataa ogaadeen kooshin la dhaho oo nool ma'arag. haddaan ka soo gudbo maxaan ahayn isku xishoo ood doodan ku darsan kartaa?. ONLF ogaden ma matalo, samaantiisa ogaadeen ma leh ee onlfbaa leh , xumaantiisana ururka onlf baa leh period. ONLF iyo WSLF labadaba waa loo baahan yahay doodayduna ma aha mid ha laga tago oo mid ha la qaato.haddii aysan suurto gal ahayn in hal meel la isku raaco waxaa fiican in labada aan xoogayno oo weliba iskaashadaan. Haybe : aniga ilama wayna magacu .as matter of fact haddii calan la qaato ilaahoow maa nogob loo bixiyo for all I care. laakiin waxaa aan aad uqabaa in la wada halgamo. waxaad doonto ku halgan oo.
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 01:11 pm Salaan. Waad ku mahadsan tahay HMJ inaad u xaqiijisid dadkan ku doodayo in aan magaca badelanaayo. Midakale waan kugu raacsanahay in labadan Jabhadba loo baahan yahay oo xitaa loobaahan yahay kuwo kale oo ka dagaalama Ethopiayad kale. Haybe: Waan ka xumahay inaad aniga igu koobtay qabiilist oo neceb Abdulmajid. Walaal maadan arag aragtiteyda aan ka qabo raga lashaqeesta TPLF cidkasta ha u dhashaane. Balfiiri oo aqri fikrada aan ka qabo kuwa lamidka ah Abdulmajid ee ka dhashay Ogadenka uu lamidka yahay Abdirashiid dulane. Haddii aan isku si uga hadlin dee xaalbaan bixinayaa haddii kalena adiga ayuu xaalku kuraacin. Saxiibayaa waad mahadsan tihiin. Ps. Thanks alot: toronto man. Keep up the good work.
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| | Thursday, March 08, 2001 - 05:37 pm i don't understand what is so complicated about this issue. it's plain and simple, it's your will against the will of the whole western somalia people.i don't even know who thought of the name at the time of the creation of the group. any rate it was a grave mistake. so my suggestion is since onlf is not accomplishing it's objective of liberating the land at any measurable rate,and creating more division among the people of western somalia , why don't you people drop the name for the sake of our people and land. is that too much to ask? hell no. it's the least you can do, because once you accept our proposal , then we will do most of the fighting and happily without any reservation what so ever accept your desire to lead the people.isn't this the most reasonable proposal that your jidwaaq brothers could give you. let's for god's sake close this chapter forever. this is a compromise from your jidwaaq brothren.
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 02:05 pm My friend five star, Thank you very much for the healthy debate you have been leading recently. It is unfortunate that the people who have brought the current topic are not yet convinced, although you have been quite persuasive person! these people must have drunk from tribal lagoons. Even though, the discussion of the site visitors seemed to me to be an intelectual one, it will not,for sure, yeild any fruits, for the name Ogaden is their ultimate goal; it will eventually lead them to heaven, as they see. What is so important about this name? I do not know. Tens of Somali tribal names do exist in the area such as: Jidaaq, majerten, Ogaden, Marehan, Hawiye, Isaq, and etc. I do not personally grasp why we always debate and waste our precious time over the name"Ogaden"  As you have mentioned in your point, I would brotherly advice you not to waste your golden time over the name"Ogaden". Mind your business, and do something else;they will never be convinced unless you say"I am supporting ONLF". If this is the case, what is the point of the discussion? Show me one person who is a member of the ONLF except this tribe.Show me one single person who supports the name except the branches of the name. If our brothers want to die for the name Absame,as they frequently claim, why they did not call the front Absame liberation front? just to ask. I would always prefer the name Somalism to the selfish one of Absemism, let alone the Ogaden name. It is crystal clear that the Somalis in the region do not at all support the name Ogadenia. Ogaden is a tribe, although the major one in the land; this doe not mean that the land is Ogadenia, as they say. Back to ONLF. ONLF is purely tribal front;besides, it has already sown hatred seeds among the brethern people of the land;moreover, it participates in the skirmishes that escalate sometimes between the clans in the land. It sides with the tribe it belongs to and kills the other. Is this the organization these people are calling for? I am shocked. Somaaligalbeed is the sole name that the people of the land can fight under its flag and banner. If our friends and cousins of ONLF want to agree with the name of S/Galbeed, it is well and fine, if they do not need it, let them cling to their tree and do what they can do. A point to mention: Several years ago, the Itihad organization called themselves" the Itihad Al-Ogadenia". Nonetheless, they had to ultimately alter their name, for it did not work for them. they have taken the WSLF name. It is a positive step. My friends, Ogadenia is not a land;it is tribal name, and must not be applied to the other people that oppose the name. I do not understand why people are ranting and roving around this name. to conclude, my advice is that people need to be left alone for thier destiny. I do not see that this argument will sooner,or latter bear any fruits whatsoever. Five star, thank you again for your healthy and convincing debate. Bye now.
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 02:05 pm TO: Mr. Five stars. My brother you need not to waste my time and yours. I have explained to you from on every aspect regarding this name in order to make you understand. I am really disappointed you will never get it until you drop this nonsenses installed in your head. I would like to challenge you to come up with more in depth reasons that give your points more perspective. You are just repeating your self again and again. To better help you read my previous comments. Thank you.
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 03:55 pm DAWILL Aad ayaan u saluugay hadalkaaga maxaa yeelay adigaa kun jeer iska hor imanaya. 1- sida ku cad cinwaanka doodda waxa weeye in laga wada hadlo haddii ay jiraan waxaan magaca ahayn oo onlf looga soo horjeedo. Adiguse waxaan magac ahayn ood ka hadashay amaba mabda' ah ood onlf ku diidantahay ma jiraan ileen sida cinwaankaba ka muuqata waan la soconnaa inay qaar magaca ku diidanyihiin. 2- paragraafka saddexaad waxaad ku codsatay in laguu tilmaamo waxaan ogadeen ahayn oo onlf taageersan. Inaadan meel shishe fikraddaadu gaadhsiisanayn haddaanu kuu tilmaano amaba ku tusno qaar badan oo madaxda onlf ka mida amaba ciidamadaba maxaad ku doodi. 3- isla paragrafka saddexaad waxaa hadalkaaga laga dhadhamin amaba ka cadba in haddii jabhadda loogu yeedhi lahaa ABSAME LIBRATION FRONT aad taageeri lahayd. halkaas waxaa waadix ka ah in mabda' aagu ku salaysan yahay qabiil saas awgeed aysan doodaadu valid ahayn. 4- paragrafka 5naad waxaad ku tilmaantay onlf urur qabiil oo ka qaybqaata dagaalada sokeeye (qabiil) ee ka dhaca gobolka lana safta qabiilka ay ka soo jeedaan ee ogaadeen, waa saad hadalka u dhigtaye. hadalkaaga waxaan ku tilmaami karaa xaqiraad iyo is indhatir iyo been abuur. waxaana aaminsanahay inay onlf tahay urur taageero wayn ka haysta bulshada somali galbed kuwaasoo u dhashay inta qabiil somali degta gobolka. kolka haddan anigu been sheegayo waxaan jirina ku hadlayo iila imow wax cad. 5- paragrafka ugu dambeeya waxaad xustay in ururka itaxaad uu iska bedelay magaca itixaad-ogaden kolkuu u shaqayn waayay qaateenna wslf. itixaad waligeed magaca ogaden maysan qaadanin, ta kale waagay dagaalami jiratay, magaca itixaad somali galbeed ayay ku dagaali jirtay. ta kale magac wslf maysan qaadanine way isku biireen, kolka ay isku biirayaana labadooduba ururro baaba'ay ayay ahaayeen. wslf urur magac mooyee muuqaal u jirayba kolkii hore ma ahayn wixii ka dambeeyayay dagaalkii 77-8. itixaadna 96kii ayuu si rasmi ah u baaba'ay. laba mid weeye, inaad tahay nin yar oon adduun iyo gobolkaasi waxa uu marayo ka war hayn iyo inaad iska yeelyeelayaso. wxaad la shir timid anigu dood uma arko kolkaa haddad doonayso inaad ku soo laabato doodan dib u soo akhri cinwaanka sheekada. KOSHIN There is no point in repeating yourself all over again. if these people are not mature enough to discuss anything other than the name "ogaden" to oppose onlf then i suggest you conclude this debate. these are people who do not want to talk about their mothers, sisters,fathers, brthers and all their comrades being deprived of basic human rights. their mothers, sisters and aunts being gang-raped infront of their spouses. their fathers , brothers, uncles slaughtered in cold blood. These are people whose fathers, mothers and relatives are massacred, tortured, maltreated and put in jail for no apparent reason. And instead of telling the world the suffering, humaliation and indignity their people face on daily basis under the tigrenyan regime they critisise ONLF for daring to take up arms and turning the international attention towards the blight of their peope. dont waste your time in arguing with this ignorant people who do not know their enemy from their friends. nabaadiin.
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| | Friday, March 09, 2001 - 04:19 pm To-Koshin Your message is well taken. Bro, we need men of your caliber in our struggle, nothing I have seen has touched me as much as your remarks and messages here on the net. I'm so much proud of you, bro, well done! To-all Somalis in Ogadenia We all visit this discussion forum to share the problems that torment our beloved land (Ogadenia) thus discuss and share the responsibility for all our future. Our generation was born during the turmoil, instability and refugeeism caused by Ethiopian occupation troops in our own land, the Ethiopians want our land under their control for economical purpose and finish our people little by little, they are using every way possible to prolong their presence in our land, they are trying to mark a dividing line between our people so to stop us from getting independence. This is new frontier which must be challenged and conquered by our generation-yours and mine, we must meet the problem and still maintain our dedication to freedom and peace. to do so, we must be imaginative and creative-not blindly wedded to those with personal interests. the important thing is that as ONLF as people we fight to regain our freedom, it is our willingness to die for our freedom. I hope my people will become the first people to dislodge the clannish stone in our path which, I believe in the future will become an avalanche destroying forever the prejudices and injustices that exist not only in Ogadenia but through-out the east Africa today. We are focusing our efforts at this time on mobilizing support for our freedom movement (ONLF) not only to drive the occupation forces out of Ogadenia but to bring the people of this region together Absame, isse, iidor, harti, hawiye and rer bare. My dear Ogadens, to thwart thousands of these people from participating fully in the process of our freedom movement (ONLF) is to weaken that vigor and dilute that faith and we cannot afford it, no one should be left behind. ONLF is yours and mine, freedom is what you and I need, therefore, let us pledge our minds and hearts to this task even though the struggle will take more lives, we shall be able to look back to this era as one we met our responsibilities and furthered the cause of freedom and peace in Ogadenia. We shall win Allah willing!
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 07:09 am ninbaa horey wuxuu uyiri buunshahaan xumxumi"hebelow" wayna bi iyeene. midkastaba ugaas baan ahay buu uucda lahayaaye.if you don't comprehend my message koshin ,then you really need help, for your mind is not reasoning a bit. i believe we as jidwaaq people have given you options,compromised with you,reasoned with you. tried to explain to you the benefits of changing such stupid name. you understood our point ,but chose to ignore . the merit of your argument is baseless. it's short sighted,and will deem failure for your people mostly. except a subclan of jidwaaq that live deep in side the baali region, the majority of the jidwaaq willn't suffer likeyour people. so it's your choice. carry on with it. go ahead pull the trigger, we will watch far from distance. we will build jigjiga qabribayax,xagar. coexist peacefully with the other daarood clans,and peacefull hawiye clans in the buaale and xagar and kismaayo. we will as usuall fight for the interest of our jidwaaq people which is a part of that of the somali people in general. i rest my case peacefully. by the way leave me an email, and tell me where in the states are you from. for one your an intelligent man,cuz others ogadens would kill me if i shown them disagreement like this. peace n love bro
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 08:22 am SALAAN Aniga horta waxaaba wax kasta igala naxdin badan nin la xaqiray oo haddana is hafraya. taa waxaa ka sii daran isagoo jiritaankiisiiba halis ku jiro ayuu haddana ku doodayaa inuu horumar siyaadsanayo. bal somaliayay arka ninka hadaladiisii is jiidhsiiyay. wuxuu ku leeyahay badal magaca aan kula halgame hadana waxuu ku leeyahay waxaan kaa daawan sheeda dhulkaygana waan dhisan. waxaa ka sii naxdin badan wuxuu ku leeyahay anoo jidwaaqa dhibaato isoo gaadhi mayso. 1- waxaa laga fahmi erayga aynu wada "bedel magaca" si aynu u wada halganno in dhibaatada gumaysigu isku si inoo taabanayso. 3- erayga "meel fog ayaan kaa dawaan" "dhukkaygana waan dhisan" waxaa laga garan inaysan wax dhibaato ah oo uu gumaysigu kugu hayo aysan jirin, sidaas darteed dee guraygu wuu bar fayawyahaye dab iska qabadsiin maayo. 3- "jidwaaq" haddaan ahay u dhibaatoon maayo sidiina . qoodh iyo xeradiin bal fiiriya ninkaasi waxa uu la shir imanayo. nin igula doodaya axmaaradu reer hebel wax ma yeesho, waxaan kawada doodno garan maayo. sheekadiina intaas ayay ku gabagabaysan tahay. salaan.
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 10:50 am To: Five Stars No matter how hard we try, at times we do indeed talk past each other. Sometimes we do it deliberately and sometimes we simply miss the point the other party is making. It seems to me that is the case in this entangled dialogue with Mr. Five stars. Nevertheless, I would like to give this "dispute" just another try -- one never knows that he may end up seeing the light. But first I would like to thank my peers Hawd and Suuban-Balaal. Mr. Hawd, I promise to conclude this dialogue with in a week. As for Suuban-Balaal I can't say enough about you my brother. As always you do enlighten the whole room with your presence and your comments are well constructed to hit there intended targets. Apart from numerous laudatory and condemning messages I received over the last few days, I am still committed to remain focus on the issue. My Brother Five Stars you have stated " I believe we as Jidwaaq people have given you options, compromised with you, reasoned with you and tried to explain to you the benefit of changing this stupid name." I confess that I could not find any engaging arguments in your tract. Where in the world did you reason and compromised with us? You have admitted your goals are pretty clear which is to abandon the struggle and you said it in front of us with out any hesitations. It is me who has tried to reason with you and not speak for the whole clan. It is me who has tried to convince you within my ability like a family member to see the realities that we are force to accept and never pointing a finger at you. In return, you had called me a lot of things but again did I respond back to you with anything less than a kindness? I called you a brother at the same time you where treating to distance the two of us and lead a life with others whom you have mentioned in your tract Let me give you a crude reminder before you parade through your blindness with out the Ogadens your faith is crippled. I can say 90 percent of the Somali population in Somali did not know who the Jidwaaq clan is and their powerful history what so ever. They used to pass along as an Ogadenia or relatively brother to the Ogadens. I by no means trying to insult you and the great Jidwaaq brothers/sisters. There is an old saying " If you leave where you are wanted you end up where you are not welcomed." My brother Jidwaaqs are our closes relatives to the Ogadens and your support is greatly needed. Please help us help you. PS. I am in Minnesota and you could contact me via email: Koshinus@yahoo.com. If by any chance living in Minnesota drop me a line or two. I promise to take you out to coffee. Take care My brother.
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 11:39 am Five star, Thank you very much for whatever evidence you have made clear to these individuals whose first priority is the name"Ogaden". Mr.Howd, Read my article very carefully berore you condenm me. There was no any contradiction in previous article, as you have claimed. I just wanted to debate about the topic healthly and intelectually as well. I would advice you to observe and read my article once again;an emotional wind might have easily deviated you from understanding the article I mentioned.It seems that you are blindly accusing.I do not want to any bad thing about words.You are just telling something that is not apparent in the article.Perhaps,you are not able to clearly comprehend the English language. I did not put in my article any baseless information.Sadly,you have accused me of being lying,and speaking out of vacuum. 1.I never said that if ONLF,the front you crying for, named itself"The Absame front",I would fight for it. What I said was"why they did not choose the name Absame,if they are fighting for the Absame people? Again, I made my point very clear,and said"Iwould always prefer the name Somalism to the selfish name of Absamism,let alone the Ogaden name." The reason I said that is many people do oftentimes whine about the name Absame.They always say"the people of Absame".I get to tell you the name Absame is a name of a lineage and blood,not a name of politics,and when you people say"Absame,you know what you mean". 2.If you do not have some facts, it is better for you to know it now. Itihad called themselves"Itihad Al-Ogadenia".This is a fact,and you can simply find it from many sources.Nonetheless,it did not work for them,as I have mentioned in my previous article. 3.ONLF do invariably participate in tribal conflicts in the area.I am not fabricating it;it is true fact too;you better know it,although you are ignoring the fact. Is this a dictatorship way? Bye now
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 12:51 pm i apologize koshin if i said anything inappropriate or called you names. back to your main points. well bro it's pathetic to claim that our existance and fate depended on the ogaden people in proper somalia. well for your info we spearheaded the fight against the ethiopians by the leadership of cabdalla hassan mohamud who is a jidwaaq himself. at the heat of the battle in hargeisa ,it was ahmed sheikh mohamed ,from jidwaaq who was the governor of the northwest region(waqooyi galbeed)that held the snm at bay while omar jees was the outskirts of hargeisa drinking his whisky, and later coming to mogadishu and opening doors for late eideed. what we lack in numbers we make up in quality,and wiilwaal,god forgive him summarized what we are in his peom"gacan iyo in geedlaga hadliyo gobonimaansheegtay ,geeraarshe dheer iyo sagaal warangalaan sheegtay". so don't get carried away,cuz jidwaaq is a very stong force in waamo,and everywhere,and doesn't need the approval of anyone. sure if we are united like the harti , we can do as good or even better,but we are never dependent on anyone ,but Allah. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to undestand the damage the name is causing to the struggle for the region,so why are pretending that everything is going smoothly bro. my goals are the goals of the people of the western somalia. my goal is to help fight the ethiopians along with all somali nationals in the region collectively,under the banner of somalia ,not onlf. it seems you are doing some hair splitting here ,like bill clinton's famous what is is. simple drop the name,then let's sit together and workout the details. peace. i wil email you when i come to mn. are you a student ? i will email you though peace n love
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 01:11 pm hey dawil it's five star would you leave a contact email please. peace bro
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 01:38 pm DAWIIL Waxay somalidu ku maahmaahdaa "hal diidani geed ay ku xoqato ma waydo". sideeba waxa wanaagsan in qofku hadalkiisa ku saleeyo mabda', inuu kolba baal isu shareerana waa laga fiican yahay. anigu heerka aad ka doodayso inaan ka doodo waan iskala waynahay, mana jecli inaan dhalanteed dhex dabaasho. waxaad soo qortay oo dhanna waa lawada arkaa. kolkaas dhawr masalo ayaan ku waydiin lahaa. 1- Meesha iyo xilliga iyo beesha ay ONLF qabiil ahaan ula dirirtay iyo waxay la safatay.? horaan kuu idhi keen caddayn laakiin "waa xaqiiq" ayaad ka dhammaan wayday. haddaadan keeni karin wax daliila fadlan mar dambe ha la iman waxaas oo kale. 2- goobta iyo taariikhda ay ONLF ku andacootay inay u dagaalami doonto OGADEEN,ABSAME ama si guudba qabiil?. 3- Taariikhda iyo goobta uu ururka itixaad intuu isa soo dhidbay ku yidhi waxaanu qaadanaynaa magaca WSLF. 4-Waxaan kaa codsanayaa inaad bal waxaad ka waddo soo sharraxdo paragrafka 3aad laga bilaabo sadarka 3aad qoraalkaagii hore. 5- waxa cinwaanka doodu yahay?. 6- In Axmaaradu somalida kala xigsato?. saan horay u soo sheegay iigu salee doodaada mabda' iyo daliil. waan ka baxay.
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 02:48 pm Hello, Brother Five Star. I think you are mixing oil with water! Having said that you are a good man and we need to establish a contact. I would like to request from you to send me an email. I think that would serve us both a lot of goods. It is okay don't worry I won't kill you I am just going to rehabilitate you (Just having fun with you). PS. I have BS in Management Information Systems from Metropolitan State University. I am currently planning on going back to school in the fall for my Masters. I would like to attend University of St.Thomas and enroll their Masters of Software Engineering. As you can see I am not a political science major. I am as simple as an ordinary person who is trying to learn and seek the truth about our circumstances. Enough is said take care my brother.
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| | Saturday, March 10, 2001 - 03:55 pm loooooooooooool walaahi kooshin you intrigue me. when i read your last posting i was laughing by myself hard. i like intellegent people , and you are one. well on a lighter note , i may need rehabilitation for iam sometimes hard to convince. aim still laughing . i sent you an email . hope to get a response from you soon. well iam not as educated as you are ,but working on my bs. peace looooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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| | Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 02:02 am what surprises me is that the president of somali stat of ethopia is ogadeen and the most of the admistraters are ogadeen but again the ones who are fighting and saying no justice in ethopia are ogadeen, what is going on you guys? do you want evrything all things? okey now the president is ogadeen and onlf is ogadeen, can't we say ogadeen are fighting themselfes not ethopia and onlf?
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| | Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 04:15 am Hi Koshin I for one was satisfied by your reasoning for the use of the name ONLF. But admittedly, I don't come from the region and my feelings may therefore be different to someone who is more of a physical and sentimental stake-holder in the enterprise. I was surprised by your claim that Sayidd Muhammed Abdille Hasan somehow freed the Republic from colonialism. You may need to look at this again. While the Sayyid's intentions were nationalistic/religious, his deeds were far from benign or useful. He divided the people, and was despised by whole swathes of the Somali nation. His military achievements were also minimal. I hope this doesn't offend any clannist sensetivities here. Somalia became independent because the colonial era was coming to an end across Africa, not because of Sayyyid's activities. Remember he was dead for almost forty years when we gained our freedom. As a general rule, I would suggest that the support for your cause inside the Republic is at its strongest when you stay away from interfering in the local politics. A good example of what could otherwise happen is the misguided siding of the Ogadenis, both refugees and those who came from Ogaden proper, with the Siyad Barre regime against the Northern Somalis during the 80s. This has alienated(I hope not forever) a whole group of people who tradionally formed the bedrock of moral and material support for your struggle. The region is also vital as your real strategic depth, and I guess your struggle will never really take-off unless you have sustainence and succour from the North. Your enemy knows this, and that is why they are courting Egal and his regime. However, I am always receptive to other people's opinions, and am prepared to be persuaded by logical arguments contrary to my ideas. Thanks.
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| | Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 03:13 pm Halyey: Sayyid Muhammed Abdulle Hassan (1856-1920) was far ahead of his time. During the period he and his men were waging the just and moral armed struggle against the British Imperialists, the conditions were such that the political consciousness of the the people were low; hence the multitude of those who collaborated and spied for the British. Sayyid Muhammed might have been harsh in the treatment of such men, but despite your revisionist comments, he remains to be one of the greatest heroes in African History. While some coveted a position as a "Boy" within the system, this Somali rebel had only contempt for the British colonial administration. It is sad that a century or so after Abdulle Hassan passed through Berbara's port - which sparked the nationalistic movement - the Ethiopian administration is being courted to have a greater presence at the port city - by Somalis! peace!
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| | Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 07:22 pm To mustafe Your question always comes up along with some other questions like: why didn't our forefathers win this freedom struggle before our generation was born?!!! I simply tell those who ask me this question that- each generation must win its own struggle to be free, I know in our generation, American dollars to Ethiopia have made the risks of our struggle greater than ever, but again the stakes are the same: the right to live in dignity and freedom as every human being should and not to be slave in our own land. let me come back to your question, Mr mustaf, there is no president or there are no what you called administrators in Ogadenia, but bunch of puppets nominated by meles to serve his interests in Ogadenia. They don't have the support of the Ogaden people what so ever. The idea beyond their nomination is to convice the world that Ogadens are participating the EPRDF system of goverment, that is why it was so important to meles to find bunch of puppets from Ogadens with him all the time. but that doesn't mean the nomination of those puppets will make our freedom struggle disappear. we want nothing but all our rights of self-determination, and yes we want all. To Ogaden educators since my brother Koshin talked about his BS in MIS, he showed me that we have a number of educated people here in the net, so I want say this to all of you- I think we can make Ogadenia the best in east-Africa, I think really, it is going to rest with those of us who are educated, and those of us who are trained whether we are going to participate in ONLF movement or whether we are going to say this is the proplem or responsibility of somebody else. this is why I think all of us who have had the advantage of an education that we have a special and particular responsibility, when we look and analyze where our people are heading to... we think right to freedom, yet we must yield to no one in our independence of our people and complete self-determination. Brothers and sisters, I visited Ogadenia in 1992, first time in my life. I can't explain in my words what our people have lived with for uncounted years!!! I really can not imagine the hardship, hunger and the fear they have adopted. I have seen young Ogaden children who grow up uneducated and untrained and dissatisfied with life and dissatisfied with their future and feeling that there is nothing in this world for them. Brothers and sisters, whether it is in the field of civil rights, whether it is in the front of our peoples' struggle or what ever it is- we should do something to bring hope for those young Ogaden children. Ps-Koshin, I did not intend to turn your discussions into an other direction, but if I did so, please forgive me. thanks.
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| | Monday, March 12, 2001 - 06:55 am Mr.Howd, I do not think that I have invoked anybody's feelings,or said any bad words about any person;nevertheless,I wanted to reveal my feeling and the information I have about the front you seemingly support.Even though I suspect that you are not from Howd,your words have been harsh on me.Somtimes,you called my words a baseless informaion.Anyway,I do not like to react to whatever you say. As you advised me to do,I have read the last paragraph of the preceding article of mine;nevertheless,what I said in it is true fact again.You told me to prove it.I ought to tell you that I do not owe you any sort of such that information.Are you the ONLF chairman by the way? I personally see that this is not a fact finding site;it is merely a discussion site.You are making your self a supper human being.Do you know everything that happens in our land,S/Galbed? You used this saying<Hal diidani geed ay ku xoqoto ma weydo>. Yes,you are right.I oppose the name Ogadenia,for it is dividing our people,and I believe that you agree with me,if you are a pragmatic person. Mr.Howd,I would request from you to convey your idea by writing in English so that I will be able to evaluate how deep you understand my articles. I do not want to make you a foe of mine,partly because I oppose the Ogadenism.I get to tell you that I am Jidwaq man,and Ogaden is my people,and I am fond of them,but I only disagree with the name you extremely adore,Ogaden! Nonetheless,and unlike the case of Five star,I am not afraid to be assassinated because of my objection to the name.That is not a crime by the way. I do not like to discuss with you again about the topic,for enough has already been said. Macal salaama.
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| | Monday, March 12, 2001 - 07:03 am Five star, I will soon contact you,and I wish you the best. Macal salaama.
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| | Monday, March 12, 2001 - 10:21 am Can I be a good Ogaden both in the national and clan sense and at the sametime be non ONLF supporter? Am I a good Ogaden if I don't suppoert the Addis regime and its cronies in Jig Jiga? If I do not support ONLY and oppose Tegrian occupation can I still call myself an Ogaden? I am an Ogaden by birth and choice but I am not ONLY, WSLF, SYL, SPM or any other alphabetical soup game. Will you please let me be an OGADEN?
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| | Monday, March 12, 2001 - 12:22 pm DAWIIL Gar waxaa loo dhigaa in wixii khaldan la qabto. is-fahan la'aani si aanay u dhicinna si cad ayaa loo wada hadlaa. "hadal iyo hilbaba kala qalan". Farriin ayaan soo qoray ku wajahan qoraal kaa ah. waxaad ii soo gudbisay in laga yaabo inaanan qoraalkaaga oo ENGLISH ku qorraa si waadaxa u garan; HAGAAG, mar labaad ayaan ku soo ciliyay oo si khaasa ayaan kaaga codsaday inaad meel qormadaada ka mid ahayd si faahfaahsan u soo sharraxdo ulajeedadaada bal si af-garanwaagu u hadho. MAXAAD IIGU SSO JAWAABTAY?. Kollaba kaama filayn inaad sidaas u soo jawaabato ee waxaan kaa filayay inaad wax caddaan iila timaaddo. inaad i tidhaahdo xaq iiguma lihid inaan caddayn kuu keeno iyo inaan guddoomiyaha onlf ahay- waxaan u malayn markaad hadalkaa qoraysay inaadan ka fiirsan. HAA, waa inaad daliil iila timaadaa illeen GAR baynu isku haysannaaye. seebaad doonaysaa inaan hadalkaaga MEEL KA SOO QAAD uga dhigo haddaadan gar iila imanayn. Waxaad iska dhigaysaa SUPER HUMAN, wax walba oo ka dhaca S/GALBEED miyaad ogtahay, uma arko sitekan mid xaqiiq lagu raadinayo, ENGLISH iigu soo qor hadalkaaga si aan u ogaado sida aad u fahantay hadalkayga iwm. saaxiib waxaas oo dhan QIIQ-ISKU-QARIN ayaan u malaynayaa. SI AYNAAN WAKHTI KALE ISAGA KHASAARIN AMA SU'AALAHAAN KU SOO WAYDIIYAY EEN LAHAYN MALDAHAADDA KA SOO JAWAAB AMA DOODDA HALKAAS INOOGU XIDH. NABADIIN
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| | Monday, March 12, 2001 - 02:48 pm Mr Ogaden First you need both character and a core philosophy today. Mr Ogaden, don't you know that-life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives? To me supporting ONLF means supporting all Somalis in Ogadenia to approach their future and get the freedom they were yearning all along. You need to know that, the confrontation between ONLF and the Ethiopian occupation troops is in reality a confrontation of all people who believe in human dignity and freedom with those who believe colonization is supreme. it is that fact. so, it is up to you which one you support. But, most importantly, you should know there is no third party here and at the same time, you may bear in mind that there is nothing between " right and wrong" and that is the way it comes down. keep in mind, what happens in Ogadenia will effect your life down in the road.
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| | Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 07:26 am ONLF guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul. kooshin and subanbalal good job, keep up// ONLF guuuuul/ those who don't like this name can do nothing except writing some bad things in somalinet and that is all they can do. they can't even talk to us face to face cause they know us very well. will they immigrate to makale tegray land? because every one who loves tegrey must die or leave from Ogadenia. DABA DHILIFOOW XAGEED KUNOOLAAN?
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| | Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 07:52 am It will be very difficulty for us to agree any thing when the mantra of dropp- off the name is the battle cry of the day. let me clear the air and see the response of the nay sayers. I will support WSLF when they start fighting the enemy and I would stop supporting ONLF when they stop fighting. would you be willing to do the same, no strings attached. The best thing that could happen for us now is to have both entities strong. fighting side by side, there for limiting the movement of the enemy every where. I suggest if we are unable to unite our strugle under one banner, let us try to make all of them grow strong.ONLF supporters should not be WSLF enemies and vise -versa. they need each other.I may not know when, but I do know come hell or high water we get there.but let is get there together. United we stand , dived we fall. thank you.
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| | Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 11:26 am You guys live in cloud-cuckoo land. There will never be a free country named Ogaden. And even if it did, it will economically and socially non-viable. It will be a little land-locked and backward desert hell forgotten by the world and inhabited by warring nomadic clans. So why don't you stop this foaming aroud the mouth, take a cool a shower and face the reality. Your best chance of survival is to negotiate with the Ethiopians for a fair share of the national cake, as other much bigger ethnic groups are doing and stop this unnecessary and unwinnable little chest thumping of yours? It is a brotherly advice, but I expect it will fall on deaf ears. Twenty years from now and after much suffering of the poor people of the region, The truth will dawn on you and you will remember me. Pity a race that lives on sentiment and acts on impulse, never learning from the lessons of history.
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| | Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 11:30 am i support WSLF every time, that is it.
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| | Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 02:23 pm Wisesomali and Cige. It is not helpful, It is not honest-to protest the name of ONLF and the war in Ogadenia. Ethiopia admits no simple solution, But the complexity and difficulty of this war should not keep us from speech or action. For as long as our people are dying of hunger and our children are uneducated Ogadens will fight, as long as our people not free in their lives and their opinions, their speech and their land-that long will the Ogaden liberation not be finished. You better know that, this is new Ogaden generation who have the tools to remedy the mistakes which all of our forefathers made in the past.
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| | Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 06:25 pm TO: Brother Halyey: First, I like to thank you for our on going discussion. Secondly, Since I see we have reached an agreement for the use of Ogadenia, then please allow me to take a detour from this topic and respond to your other concerns. Thirdly, I would like to reiterate our conversation is based on purely facts and I can appreciated your sentiment to keep this debate out of clannish sensitivities. Please for give me sometimes if I my self cross the line. It is not done intentionally. Having said that I too was surprised your discredit to the credit worthy Somali National Hero Sayyid Mohamed Abdille Hassan the only one as stated by Brother Emli Jama (1856-1920). Let me see if I could restore some of his credit to this old man. Your were surprised about my comments that he freed the republic from colonialism. Why should you? Did he not initiate the struggle for 21years? Is it his fault that he did not leave a long enough to witness his struggle for an independence and self-determination materialize? Other great leaders like the Mahdi of Sudan faced the same agony. In fact, it was Mr. Al-Mahdi of Sudan who inspired Mr. Hassan to follow his course and indeed he did jus that. He sent this latter to the British people to warn their government's misdeeds in Somaliland. "I wish to rule my own country and protect my own religion. If you will, send me a letter saying whether there is to be peace or war. I intend to go from Burao to Berbera I warn you of this - I wish to fight with you. I like war, but you do not. God willing, I will take many rifles from you, but you will get no rifles or ammunition from me. I have no forts, no houses, no country. I have no cultivated fields, no silver, and no gold for you to take. I have nothing. If the country were cultivated or contained houses or property, it would be worth your while to fight. The country is all jungle, and that is of no use to you. If you want wood and stone, you can get them in plenty. There are also many ant-heaps. The sun is very hot. All you can get from me is war - nothing else. I have met your men in battle, and have killed them. We are greatly pleased at this. Our men who have fallen in battle have won paradise. God fights for us. We kill, and you kill. We fight by God's order. That is the truth. We ask for God's blessing. God is with me when I write this. If you wish for war, I am happy; and, if you wish for peace, I am content also. But if you wish for peace, go Solvay from my country back to your own. If you wish for war, stay where you are. Hearken to my words. I wish to exchange a machine gun for ammunition. If you do not want it, I will sell it to some one else. Bend me a letter saying whether you desire war or peace."  Jarding p. 4). Does this man look like a man whose deeds were far from being useful? I think not. Does he look like a divider or more like a unitor? Let see what the author Cassanelli has to say in his book The Shaping of Somali Society. Unlike, my brother's comments the Author gives full credit to the Darvish for bringing all major clans together. " It was the dervish movement which, for all its apparent diffuseness, took the resistance a step further by bringing together in its ranks rich and poor, nomad and farmer, wadaad and warrior from all clans." Cassanelli, P.252). In fairness to your argument my brother I must admit there was some that Mr. Hassan couldn't bring them on board because of their ideological difference. Simply because he refused to compromise with any form of colonial subjugation and opposed Somali clan leaders who did submit. I also must admit the Darvish faced many defeated in the hand of the British Colonials and Somali traitor who accompanied then in the battle fields but to suggest his military achievements were minimal is lunatic. It took 21years of infantry war and Airplanes coming back from World War 1 to finally crush the Dervish. It is blessing that they never actually got him. He escaped injured! So please don't add pain to his injury he died for your independence just accept it. Sheik Bashir did it, Yusuf Alkonin did it, Mahamoud Harbi did it, Abdullahi Isse did it, Sheik Mader did it and I let you finish the rest. Takes care my brother. To the Room: I apologize for taking you off the topic.
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| | Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 04:51 pm Tirada ogaadeen haddii Jidwaaq lasiin lahaa, ciil ma qabeen. WAY OO WAY! Dawladdii Siyaad Barre haday Jidwaaq Xooga saari lahayd meeshay Ogaadeen oon waxba tarayn Xooga ka saartay waa hore ayay somaligalbeed xoroobi lahayd.
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 06:26 pm TO ALL PARTICIPANTS: Thank you!
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| | Sunday, March 25, 2001 - 03:44 pm Asalaamu Calykum Akhyaarta: Waxaan idinka fahmay badankiin inaad dhibsateen magaca ONLF ama ogadenya. Waan Fahmay waxaad ka hadlaysaan. Jawaabta kaliya ee aan idin siin karo waa ONLF Ha taageerin hadaad rabtid laakiin adigoo isticmaalaya magaca aad rabtid dagaalan oo halgan gumaysigana iska qaad markaad xorowdidna aan ka wada hadalno magaca iyo wixii aan la bixi lahayn. laakiin adoo banaanka iga fadhiyo oonan dagaalamaynin inaad ka hadashid ma ahan magac iyo waxaan macno samaynayn, maxaa yeelay fiiri Eleteriy markay dagaalamaysay waxay ahayd EPRDF tigreegan ku gumaysanayan wuxuu ahaa TPLF OROMANA waxay tahay OLF maxaad u diidantahay Magaca aduunka lagaaga yaqaan ee ah OGadenya ma'ahan waxaan ani kuu bixiyay ee waa wax joqraafikali laguu yaqaan at The same time waxaan ogolahay somalinimo oo waxaan ku leeyahay dagaalan adoo isticmaalaya magaca aad rabtid markii laxoroobana aan ka wada hadalno magaca aan labixi lahayn., Kuma dagaalami kartid magaca somalia maxaa yeelay somalia waa dowlad jirta rabtana inay teeda wax ka qabato umana malaynayo inay tabar u leedahay inay maanta ogadenya wax ka qabato dadka larabo inay wax qabsadaan waa dadka degan ogadenya loona baahanyahay inay aayahooda ka taliyaan. mana aha inaad ONLF layaabtid ee waa inaad taageertid Dabaqoodhiyahow. waxaan idinka rajaynayaa inaad fahantaan meesha shaxda laga dheeli ee aadan ku meeraysanin ONLF ama OGADENYA TIGREE wuxuu rabaa inuu Somaliya xitaa qabsado oo Qolyahan Qabqablayaasha isku sheegaya uu Maalinba mid gooni u sasabto Haku meereysanin Somali nimo iyo waxaan shaqaynaynin ee danahaaga garo By By and take it easy.
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 08:12 am waryaada ninkaan baruuda ma aakhro ayuu ka soo hadlayaa waa kan xiiqsane sxb waxaan u malayn inaad reer akhirood tahay anagu waa is fahanay wax ONLF diidana male marka bal soo toos waa hurdaaye .....wake up bro baruud  bye all
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