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     | Saturday, November 11, 2000 - 03:02 pm I have been doing some thinking. Let us assume that Finland could get rid of its unwanted aliens. What would be the consequencies. As we know social benefits, health care and education costs money that is funded from taxes. A conservative estamate is that each alien costs 4000 FIM/month. Let assume we can deport 20.000 persons, then we could save at least 80 million FIM per month. That makes almost one billion FIM per annum. But there are also indirect savings. As crime rate would decrease, savings would be generated as the amount of damages caused by crimes would be smaller. Also drug problem would be smaller. In addition to that a smaller population generates less pollution. Deporting aliens would help Finns to protect nature. Now should we be happy with deporting only those 20.000 persons. There are no doubt some hard working foreigners. Think if we deported all the hard working black Africans. Propably part of them would return to their own countries and there they would start working hard there. That would benefit Africa! Think, Africa would get educated hard working people. That is something Africa really needs, is it not? So a deportation program would be good for all parties concerned. What do you think.
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| | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 03:13 am Does this include all the foreingers or only the Africans? I am married to a Finn and I've being here for thirty years. I am a doctor and working on my PhD at the moment. I am a hard working person who has never been to a social welfare office. My kids were born and raised in Finland. I see myself as a Finn as well as a Somali. I have to home countries and will always belong to those countries. Do you invision a Finland that has mixed raced children or are they also a burden on society? I am curious to know how this scheme of yours will be implemented. Will these people be removed by force because I don't see any other logical way of achieving this.
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| | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 03:37 am Dear Mutsi, No doubt your return to Somalia would be a great contribution to Somalia and the Somali people. I think you would be the right person to take part in rebuilding Somalia. I believe your interracial family would enrich Somalia. Cannot see anything wrong if you all go there. I think that unfit people may need forced deportation. But people like you understand that you are needed in Somalia more than in Finland, so no forcing is needed.
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| | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 03:58 am < Does this include all the foreingers or only < the Africans? Dear Mutsi, Please accept my apologies not replying to the first sentence of your question. I am very sorry for ignoring it at my first reading. The deportation program should include all unfit foreigners. Otherwise it would be unfair. Other persons of foreign origin and suitable for relocation in E.g. Africa should be engouraged to go there. It would be beneficial to Africa. Finland should not be greedy and get all the talented people of the world. Best regards
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| | Sunday, November 12, 2000 - 12:22 pm < Do you invision a Finland that has mixed < raced children or are they also a burden on < society? Dear Mutsi, I think mixed race kids should follow their parents. Probably mixed raced young adults would contribute to the mankind most by movig to the country of their non-white parent. Let me tell why. The kids may have got university degrees or other skills in Finland. In E.g. Africa their skills may be very wanted. Perhaps the local inhabitants in Africa would accept mixed raced people better than all white people. I have heard here for so many times that Finns are racists. If negroes and Somalis think so, a mixed raced person has better chances to succeed in helping E.g. Somalia.
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| | Monday, November 13, 2000 - 08:17 am Dear Anonymous, I'm really totally surprised by the whole idea of engaging in a conversation based on nothing more than selfishness and or ignorance. Why do I say this? Well because, you began your posting in this section by stating " I have been doing some thinking" Lets really examine the fundementals of your thinking on this matter. Have you considered why the people from Somalia aren't in their homeland and why they would come to the western world to begin with? If so, then you understand that it was the harsh realities of war that have made these people flee in masses. When people come to a place in which they have the basic necessity of peace, they grow attached to that certain environment, fulfilling their main aim of escaping persucusion. Knowing that these affects are real, why relate the idea of forced deportation to people who are considered by the whole entire world, victims of war? Do you feel as if they are taking space from you? Another thing I would like to say a few words about is the usage prepared phychology. What is this talk about, "if you go, you can be very helpful to Somalia, Africa needs the education of the west and so go there and take our wisdom will ya" This is something I fail to understand. What help can a degree from the west offer to Somalia or Africa for that matter? Sir or Ma'am, at this point you must be thinking, "there are a lot of things that a degree can help with in Africa" But examine your own ideology, where does IT come from? Does good old Europe not have every day increasing problems that are headed mounten high? Look at your problem in Drugs, Diseases, War (east europe) Refugees (Cosovo) Crime, well crime is done in Europe and has been done in tradition more than Africans can ever imagine. Honestly, have you ever considered the idea of forced deportation on the white people living in Australia presently, by force, the direct affect of England gathering it's criminals and sending them of to a place where people live peacefully and then creating an environment alient to how they've lived all their lives? How bout considering forced deportation on the whites that presently accupy South Africa, or Senegal, or East African countries? Do you think that Africa needs the hate and the crime, the disease and social injustices caused by the white race all over the world for hundreds of years? No, we don't need it. We're here for a short period of time annonymous, don't be so terretorial as to claim the land of God for yourself, little do you know your country operates on supporting those refugees from Somalia and places that are the like, otherwise, your government would not have had the backbone support it needs from the UN and World banks, plus refugees bring diversity and diversity is how you get progression. Do your own research on why you want those people out, sometimes the problem lies within us much more than we ever realize. One Love.
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| | Monday, November 13, 2000 - 10:03 am Dear WordsWorth < I'm really totally surprised by the whole idea of engaging in a conversation < based on nothing more than selfishness and or ignorance. Why do I say this? < Well because, you began your posting in this section by stating " I have been < doing some thinking" Lets really examine the fundementals of your thinking < on this matter. Have you considered why the people from Somalia aren't in < their homeland and why they would come to the western world to begin with? < If so, then you understand that it was the harsh realities of war that have < made these people flee in masses. When people come to a place in which they < have the basic necessity of peace, they grow attached to that certain environment, < fulfilling their main aim of escaping persucusion. The Somalis who came Finland came from safe Russia. They were criminal supporters of Siad Barre. They had been studying in Moscow at the expense of Russian people. They were allowed to live in safety there. These Somalis are no refugees. I think Finland should deport these people back to Somalia were they would be judged by court. You know, Somalia is a safe country, but it is poor. It is your duty to rebuild it. Not ours. Neither it is our duty to let you live in our country. You do not belong here. Go away while people are still politely asking it. < Knowing that these affects are real, why relate the idea of < forced deportation to people who are considered by the whole < entire world, victims of war? Somalis are no victims. They are the reason why they are such they are. Somalia is safe. The UN says there are safe parts in Somalia. Go there. < Do you feel as if they are taking space from you? Yes. They have a big country. They have to go back. < Another thing I would like to say a few words about is < the usage prepared phychology. What is this talk about, < "if you go, you can be very helpful to Somalia, Africa needs < the education of the west and so go there and take our wisdom < will ya" This is something I fail to understand. What help can < a degree from the west offer to Somalia or Africa for that matter? Somalis use to fail to understand they must help themselves. They must build their own country. This is why Somalis are such Somalis are. It is Somalis who must help Somalia. Not me or West. It is you and other Somalis. Do you understand. You as a Somali must do something for your people in Somalia. < Sir or Ma'am, at this point you must be thinking, "there < are a lot of things that a degree can help with in Africa" < But examine your own ideology, where does IT come from? < Does good old Europe not have every day increasing problems < that are headed mounten high? Look at your problem in Drugs, < Diseases, War (east europe) Refugees (Cosovo) Crime, < well crime is done in Europe and has been done in tradition < more than Africans can ever imagine. If Europe has problems, it has not to import more problems. Somalis are regarded as troublemakers and intruders. You are not invited. You are unwanted guests. < Honestly, have you ever considered the idea of forced < deportation on the white people living in Australia < presently, by force, the direct affect of England < gathering it's criminals and sending them of to a place < where people live peacefully and then creating an < environment alient to how they've lived all their lives? Australian aboriganals failed to keep their country. The invaders took it. Now you Somalis are invaders and white people must protect our countries. Am I right? < How bout considering forced deportation on the whites < that presently accupy South Africa, or Senegal, or East < African countries? Do you think that Africa needs the < hate and the crime, the disease and social injustices < caused by the white race all over the world for hundreds of < years? White race came to Africa when there was much less people. White race build South Africa etc. Without white race African negroes and Somalis would still be doing slave trade. The biggest reason for the poverty and misery of Africa is its people. Yes, Eg. negroes and Somalis. You know the history of slavery. It was a African habit and normal way of life. < No, we don't need it. We're here for a short period of < time annonymous, don't be so terretorial as to claim < the land of God for yourself, little do you know your < country operates on supporting those refugees from < Somalia and places that are the like, otherwise, your < government would not have had the backbone support < it needs from the UN and World banks, plus refugees < bring diversity and diversity is how you get progression. < Do your own research on why you want those people out, < ometimes the problem lies within us much more < than we ever realize. That is the old Somali trick. You claim land and posessions belonging to other people actually belongs to God and then you come and live on other peoples land and take unjust advantage of other peoples work. If you believe in God let me point out that God has given you Somalia. Stay there. You also threaten that Finland cannot do without UN. The white race can do without UN. The wolrd bank is actually in hands of white race. We really need diversity in this world and the best way to reach that goal is to allow each nation to have a state of its own. Just start taking the responsibility of your own life. Do not blame white people, yellow people, checkered people or what ever. It is you Somalis who are your biggest problem. And people in the West does not want to be part of it. Go back. Build your own country. Do not come to eat other mans harvest. Or should I say, raise your own camels, do not use other mans camels.
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| | Monday, November 13, 2000 - 02:32 pm For anonymous, I'm starting to really see clearer the depth in which unreal race superiority lives in the lives of the white people. You say... "Build your own country. Do not come to eat other mans harvest" When in all truth, it is white people that are known through out history to " eat other mans harvest" What do you call colonizing a people and taking over their lives, natural resources to profit and keep for your selfs, what do you call living rent free. Now the Africans do it for just a few years (without force( when white Europeans have done that in a much more cruel way for hundreds of years, and you panic? You say... "The world bank is actually in hands of white race" This is very very true. It's as true as it is evil. Did you know that most African countries have paid their debt to the world banks three times over? and still are paying? And even if the world was to go on for 100 more years that Africa would not be free from the chains of your world banks? Tell me anonymous, why do white folks feel the need to strangle others? You say... "The biggest reason for the poverty and misery of Africa is its people" This is not true at all, the poverty in Africa is the direct of effect of invaders. The direct affect of white people coming over there and taking every thing from land to people, to gold to minds. This is the cause for the poverty. And the misery, well what would you have in Finland if you had poverty? I'll let you do a little bit more thinking. Sir or Ma'am, you also say "You know the history of slavery. It was a African habit and normal way of life" Wow, what books of history do you read? Must be a Finish publisher. Let me clear that up for you, that history of slavery you talk about was NOT an African habit nor a normal way of life, it was done by Arabs before the Europeans started to do it in a much more cruel, savage, and hurtful ways. The Africans are a peace loving people, have you ever heard of the African invasion to Europe? No, that's because it's never happened. Africans never put chains around white people's necks. How about the colonization of Europe by Africans? No? of course you didn't. Let me quote you again because you seem to be saying the most unthought out stuff I've ever read a white person (who can spell? say. You said... "Just start taking the responsibility of your own life. Do not blame white people" This is the most commonly used strategy of ignorance and misery providers of the world. They kill you and tell you that you were at the wrong place at the wrong time. What responsibility? The present comes from the past. It's everything white people have done in the past that is taking affect in Africa and African people's lives till this day. Imagine this, you want African governments to operate like yours, and yet you haven't even given them the chance to grow. Do you know when independence was gained through out the majority of Africa including Somalia? 1960s, in Somalia it was 1969, do you know how many years that leaves for our governments to mature and operate like yours? About 31 years, now think about this please. What were you guys doing when your government was about 31 years old? Lets use the best your example in progression, AMERICA. When America's government was about 31 years old, your own white, blue eyed women weren't allowed to vote. Men were hunting each other down their streets. Robing and killing was a regular thing, and taking over land was a habit. Tell me then, how do you get off not applying how you want us to be to how your people have been? One more time, this is what you wrote "Australian aboriginals failed to keep their country. The invaders took it. Now you Somalis are invaders and white people must protect our countries" Is this the cavemen times that we're exchanging posts or have we really progressed to communicate through machinery? I'm thinking, what you stated there is the idea of (survival of the fittest, or in your people's case, the survival of the most unfit to think) Aboriginals would not have failed to keep their country unless there was the criminals who were there to rob it from them. And now us Somalis aren't there to rob yours but merely there to stay. Perhaps we want to be in the privacy of our homes laughing out loud at the silliness of your people and their attempt to live in hypocrisy. Peace.
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| | Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 07:38 am 4 Wordsworth Where were we 31yrs. after our independence. We were re-building this country from point 0. There was not much left after the communist pigs attacked us. Look what we have done here. This country is prosperios now. Finland was the first european country to give wemen chance to vote. Let me tell u something else about Finnish history, this 1 4 all the other gabble somali people. 1. Finnish people were the first "european", Finnish language is the "original" european language. Finn's did not come from mongolia (this makes me sad because I admire mongoli people, they are furios warriors whom build the largest empire ever existed). Here's a link 4 u. Map how europe was 20.000yrs. ago. http://home.talkcity.com/LibraryDr/jumala/KARTAT.HTM#20000 2. Many somali people take out the colonisation on the Finns. Finland/Finns never had a colonyes, not a single one. Instead Finland was a sort of colony for sweden 4 600yrs. and another 100 4 russia. We, The Finns have fought for the foreign kings for 700yrs, so it is absolutely stupid to moan about colonyalization to us. We allways did our best and getting nothing in change (The best of the young men allways were taken to the wars). Swedes/Russians try to change us, to be more russian/swedish, they didnt manage too good. We r still Finns with strong identity and living in our own land. 3. We have had several famines, just like the african countryes, we didnt flee. We ate forest (believe it or not). The Last famine in europe was here, at Finland less than 200yrs. ago. We have had infinite number of wars against russians, last 1's just little over 50 yrs. ago. We didnt flee, we fought and remained our independence. But the price we had to pay was exhausting (u could run somalia decades with the cost we had to pay to our oppressor). We also have had the most tragick war of mankind, civil war. We didnt flee, we bleeded. The civil war was ca.80 yrs. ago. 4. This country is redemted with ancesters blood, this is the only country we, The Finns have. We build it, with blood&work 4 endless generations. We are not gonna give it away, all the nonsence about multiculturalism&multiethnicity is just plain wrong and attack towards Finnish people. We owe nothing to anyone, at least to u. This is our land, sacred fatherland. Respect it. If some of u is interested to know more about us, The Finns, here's a link http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/3818/finnugr.html -Suomiperkele-
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| | Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 07:59 am Who gives a hoot? Ow poor you, what a sad story, lol.
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| | Wednesday, November 15, 2000 - 08:37 am fatiha go back to black afrika
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| | Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 05:43 am Isn't it the other way around? You live in this dark country while Africa is always sunny. So what the heck are you on about, Finape!!
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| | Thursday, November 16, 2000 - 04:00 pm PRETTY COOL IDEAS HERE ! THIS AREA OF SOMALINET WILL REMAIN MY FAVORIRE. THANX ALL FOR THOSE BOTH HARSH AND ENTERTAINING COMMENTS.......LET'S MAKE THE TOPIC ONE THAT WE CAN ALL LEARN. OW, AND LETS HELP EACH OTHER TO BRING THAT MAN WITH MASK DOWN BY HAMMERING FROM EVERY SIDE, CUS HE SOUNDS LIKE HE'S SICK, PSYCHO, SOB. PEACE
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| | Friday, November 17, 2000 - 07:29 am Mutsi and Ahitaf, sitting on a tree......., Lol!!
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| | Friday, November 17, 2000 - 03:43 pm Fatiha, seems you have lost your dictionary, as your postings have degenerated into "one-liners". Bad luck. Especially when you have to support like 10 snotty children and an unemployed (somali)husband who spends his time raping and mugging decent folk, and therefore you can't spare a single penny to anything "special" from your poor salary ::laugh::
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| | Saturday, November 18, 2000 - 11:19 pm wordsworth wrote: < Sir or Ma'am, you also say "You know the history < of slavery. It was a African habit and normal way < of life" Wow, what books of history do you read? < Must be a Finish publisher. Let me clear that up < for you, that history of slavery you talk about < was NOT an African habit nor a normal way of < life, it was done by Arabs before the Europeans < started to do it in a much more cruel, savage, < and hurtful ways. Slavery was a normal way of life in West Africa. Their various tribes had wars and those wars produced slaves. These slaves were traded to other parts of Africa or later to the New World. The sellers were black tribes. The buyers were blacks, arabs and also whites. Source: A BBC documentary program shown in TV this year. They interviewed black university professors E.g. from Benin. What media does not say is that "whites" who were most active in the slave trade were Jews. It might be a good idea to check what Louis Farrakhan says about this subjet. You might find more information about this subject at the site www.abbc.com You probably know there are still slaves in Africa, Eg. Sudan and Mali. Recently they shew in the Finnish TV a documentary program hosted American black professor Henry Louisi Gates. He went to Mali and the guide pointed out a man saying he is a slave and quite happy. Gates did not protest the idea of slavery at that time. So there was slavery in Africa and negroes used to sell slaves. ahitaf
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| | Saturday, November 18, 2000 - 11:22 pm Btw, you must be referring to yourself because it's pimps like you who get supported by Finnish women who imported you to the country, •••••••. I at least earn my salary, unlike you, motherfucking social loafer!! Sorry to disappoint you, but am single and love every minute of it, you bastard! ::laugh:: What the ••••, son of Lucy; it's LoL! It's you who mugs and rapes Finns because the 60 year old cunt who brought and who you ditched after you got the permit to stay, forgot to warn the police of your tendencies, you slut, LoL!!
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| | Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 08:07 am anon, do i have your name correct, i was refered this site by a anon friend and am here to fight you like a mad dog. now , i dont know shitt from finland but i will do my research, in the meantime, i heard it was a foriegner who help you finns reduce TB which devastated finland, the guy who finely found cure yeist infection which most of your woman suffer from was a forigner if it wasnt foriegner you would be a finished finish lol. mr/mrs anon, you cant have it both ways, we have white dogs finish or not dont matter to me, in black africa, are they willing to go back to the hell hole they come from, we never call ourselves europeans but they do call themselves africans and i think you know why. excuse me if i am being forward the truth must be told, you sir created this fucking world village nonsense, you cannot have white people in africa and keep europe for europeans your father the HITLER tried to do that and you know he failed, it was my granpa that made hitler get down on his knees. and i am like my oldman here to kick you white ass, disease stricken mother fuckerr out of africa. me and you have one thing in common hate againist each other and I wish we could see face to face and fight like men instead of hiding our true nature behind data pits. i see you in hell.
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| | Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 08:23 am mutsi what a waste of time energy for 30 yrs all they gave you is mare phd, what the fuckk. do you know what you could accomplish 30 yrs in africa. leave both your phd and that finape whore, bring the kids to their rightfull place. what a sorry man you are mutsi. I am hardworking bla bla bla, the nigger kicked you in the gut and you sound like house nigger, brother please get the sprit and dont let your people down. i was never found of mandela and his likes, if you know what i mean, fight fire with fire, viva sadam hussien and idi amin, some one get the sayid for me please, iam thirsty for finape blood. fatiha lol can i use your word, it is the first time i heard, finape ahahahahaha. somali worrior, word kidd.
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| | Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 10:52 am Fatiha, I'm once again amazed by your stupidity and misunderstanding of terms. Finnish women import pimps, huh? What's the point? Maybe they are just tired and want their husbands to have sex with whores, instead of bothering them  Actually, I guess you meant to claim I'm gigolo. Tyhmä ämmä! Ei tajua mistään mitään. Luulee tietävänsä, muttei tiedä. Hehehe. You are one disturbed person, fatiha. You hear weird noises, don't you? You're breaking due to stresses caused by your job. I sense it. Get help. PS: I understand it's hard to get vexed by other nurses just because you are somali. I guess that's what fuels your wrath towards us finns. You should note they do not represent majority of our people, for as I've said earlier, you don't need much brains to be a "health professional". Unless you are a doctor, of course. PPS: You have said finnish women's cunts smell. Well, it's true amniotic fluid smells like ••••. It's hard to keep your genitals clean when you're giving birth to someone... Think about it.
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| | Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 03:34 pm ANONYMOUS Unfortunately for your sorry ass we are here to stay and piss the hell out of your likes. If only white ppl left us alone we would not even care less about your country. But you see all these years you ppl have been benefiting from the wealth of Africa be it by colonialism, slavery or the imperialism. And you expect us to sit and accept it. Let me tell you we Somalis decided not to. If you can't leave us and our resource alone we will come to your country, whether you like it or not and cause havoc.What goes around comes around.We planned this!!! Now I know Finland has the highest suicide rate in the world. Do me and the world a favor, Hang yourself you pathetic lonely person. For me I will keep on smiling.
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