     ahitaf | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 07:04 am
Yussuf wrote earlier:
< As for your question it is a fact that
< Europeans came to live in Africa before we
< came to Europe, and we asked for
< permission and we were granted
< permission, Europeans came and imposed
< themselves on Africans by force, which is
< the most humane and civilised of the two??
< So you have no right to complain about
< Somalis from an historical perspective.
< Somalia is a beautiful country, i am sure you
< would not go back to Finland if you saw
< Somalia, that is my belief.
Yussuf, you have a problem. The Somalis
in Finland have seen Somalia. Why they do not want to go back.
Another problem is your reasoning that
Somalis are entitled to enter Finland because some other white people entered Africa.
Finns owes nothing to Somalis. - The Somalis in Finland are unwanted guests. Nobody invited them, they came prentending to be refugees while they came from safe Soviet Union.
My advice to Somalis. Go back to Somalia
and live there. It is your country. Do not steal from other people.
Ahitaf |
| Yusuf the Enlighter | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 02:29 pm
Ahitaf wrote: Yussuf, you have a problem. The Somalis in Finland have seen Somalia. Why they do not want to go back??
Yusuf enlights: First of all I am not from Somalia, I , from Somaliland which is the neighbouring country. However Somalis from Somalia are my dear brothers and sisters and I am overwhelmingly sure They do want to go back when the time is right, if they do not want to go back well hey that is their right to, if they have been granted citizenship they are Finns legally.
Ahitaf wrote: Another problem is your reasoning that Somalis are entitled to enter Finland because some other white people entered Africa.
Yusuf enlights: You claimed it was an Somali phenomena to go abroad and visit other lands, but the fact is we lived in peace and harmony untill the Europeans brought their diseases and bad behaviors from their cold lands. That argument is no less reasonable than your arguments. Please for your own credibility think long and hard before you utter statements about people groups, it can usually not be backed up by facts!
Ahitaf wrote: Finns owes nothing to Somalis.
Yusuf enlights: I am not claiming that Finland ows me anything! However, Finland is obliged to follow the law of the United Nations, just like a citizen in Finland should respect the law of Finland, Finland should respect the law of the United Nations since they agreed to do so.
Finland is to the best of my knowledge in the EU and to be a member of the EU you have to adhere to a set of rules concerning humanrights, refugees, democracy, etc. Finland as most countries have also signed the United Nations asylum laws and they have thereby accepted to take in a set minimum of refugees or asylum seekers at the request of the United Nations.
You can not just sign treaties without following them, if Finland states infront of the UN assembly of Nations and at the European Union member states meeting that they no longer wish to adhere to these treaties they have signed well then there would be no problem and all refugees would leave by choice or by force since that is Finlands choice. But untill Finland does that you have no basis for your arguments, do you want to benefit from the UN and EU and at the same time not fullfil your duties??? That sounds like the kind of behaviour a thief a liar and a crook would do are you suggesting that the Finish state shoud behave like that?????
Ahitaf wrote: The Somalis in Finland are unwanted guests.
Yusuf enlights: I am not sure all Finns dislike Somalis that will have to be backed up by evidence before I accept it as a fact, untill then it is just your own opinion.
But let us for the fun of the debate accept your hypothesis that not even one single Finn liked Somalis, if that was true it would still not matter because the law of the United Nation does not require that Finns like Somalis or viceversa.
What matters in the eyes of the law is that Finland signed a treaty, follow it or be brave and stand for your opinions infront of the world and its nations declaring your view/views as a nation, Hitler did it so can you.
Ahitaf wrote:Nobody invited them(Somalis).
Yusuf enlights: Since when does a Somali need an invitation?? Didn't my Somali brothers explain the culture of the Somalis for you?? We come uninvited, that is what we do looool!
Actually Ahitaf you are wrong let me elaborate! By signing the laws and treaties of the UN and EU Finland and the Finns actually did invite us, because as a state you invited the possibility of a certain event and the subsequent duty of Finland to respond to that event.
Ahitaf wrote: Somalis came prentending to be refugees while they came from safe Soviet Union.
Yusuf: The Soviet Union does not exist any longer, and it did not exist when Somalis started entering Finland, get your facts straight!
How do you know they are pretending to be refugees??? Do you have proof??? Where is that proof in case you got it??
If you have 10 000 finish men beating their wifes does that mean all 2 000 000 Finish men beat their wifes?????????(the Nr:s are just examples).
Ahitaf I am disappointed in you and your non factual statements. Anybody can make accusations and assumptions that are not true,
Example: All Finns are drunk alcoholics, you see this is a thesis statement, now I have to back up the thesis with supporting statements(Facts) and that is where you fail time and time agin! All Finns are not alcoholics and I know it would be proven if a survey was done likewise the majority of Somalis are refugees, if they came via Russia or not does not matter. Russia is not a democratic state and is not known to have a good humanrights record either, the Scandinavian countries do. Russia is a coutry in acoma no place for somebody who needs to educate himself and work.
Goodbye and try to separate fact from fiction(in your mind)! |
| ahitaf | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 04:46 pm
Yussuf,
Somalis should take full responsibility of themselves and not move to other countries. Who says Somalis are entitled to enter Finland. Somalis deserve nothing without work. Somalis have a soul of thieves, I sometimes think.
Just stop that nonsense about UN and EU treaties. Somalis in Finland just want to have easy life instead of making Somalia good place to live.
Cannot you understand it is the business of Somalis to take care of Somaliland and Somalia. What now is happening is that Somalis enter Europe as unwanted guests and bogus refugees.
Go back to Somalia. Stop stealing our countries.
Grow up, take care of your own country, live there. You are not needed in Finland. You are just a burden. So far Finnish politicians do not say it aloud, but almost everybody think so behind their polite faces.
Yussuf, be honest. Somalis are abusers of
refugee treaties. They are not true refugees. The UN says there are safe part in Somalia and some Somali refugees have returned to Somalia. Hey... nobody pays you there for being idle, but perhaps you can do some honest work in Somalia.
Ahitaf |
| Yusuf the Enlighter | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 09:06 pm
TO: Ahitaf: Have you meet all Somalis, how can you know how they are and are not????
Did I not explain that you need to back up your accusations with facts???
Now if you are a poor Citizen compared to other Finns that is not the fault of the Somalis, that means you are lazy and need to become more active!
My analysis of you as a person based on your obsession with Somali refugees tells me that you are a young Finn from a poor family, maybe you have divorced parents and that has traumatized you, your parents do not make a lot of money and they often complain about the damn immigrants taking the taxpayers money, you and your friends are probably a group that gets no girls and are mad because the Somalis do get girls, you probably drink every weekend and you are not to well educated, you like making generalisations about Somalis but deep inside you do not believe what you are saying, so in a nutshell you are a confused little boy with no money, no chicks, no brain and thus no future and you are convinced that all this will come to an end once the Somalis leave looooooooool!
Well I got news for you Ahitaf, your life will not improve if the Somalis leave Finland or not.
Lets say Finland has 10 000 Somali immigrants out of a population of 4 000 000 that is not likely to effect the economy even if each Somali were to receive $2000 a month(24 000/year). I am sure they all do not live on wellfare but even if they well that would not effect the economy the slightest.
I am of the opinion that you need to read and read alot and lot of books so you can understand simple logical things that a Somali 10 year old can understand, but your miserable attitude will lead you nowhere!
Somalis are grateful for every people that give them shelter in their time of need. But that does not mean they will put up with being harrazed, life is to short for that.
Racism and ignorance have no place in Europe or anywhere else in todays world, Finns or some of them have a nazi legacy so you should hide your dicgrace and treate the few immigrants you have with respect.
Who said Finland is yours anyway??? It is ALLAH the Almighty, the Everlasting one who can own land and not any humans, the borders are just some marks on a paper they do not realy exist out in the nature. Finns come from Asia originaly so you are aliens and guests to the Swedes and Russans who realy own the land! The Finnish language is not close to the Swedish or the Russan language it is rather close to Turkish and the uigur languages so you are an immigrant to remember that, you have no more right than a Somali to claim that land!
Goodbye! |
| Anonymous | Sunday, January 07, 2001 - 10:45 pm
Työnnä Yusuf kuivattu ryssän kyrpä perseeseesi, ime svedun munaa ja ammu itsesi! |
| ahitaf | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 05:53 am
< Who said Finland is yours anyway??? It is
< ALLAH the Almighty, the Everlasting one who can
< own land and not any humans, the borders are
< just some marks on a paper they do not realy
< exist out in the nature.
Most Finns think Finland is their country and they are reluctant to give it to the Somalis. The Russian tried to take Finland away, but the Finns fought back. The same will happen with other intruders.
Yussuf. Life is too short for fighting. I think Somalis should leave Finland in peace and live in Somalia in peace.
You just use Allah as your excuse to steal from other people.
ahitaf |
| Yusuf the Enlighter | Monday, January 08, 2001 - 06:40 am
TO Ahitaf: I am in the United States and I make a lot of money from my work so how am I stealing money from Finland???? looool what is it with you and the baseless accusations????
I am happy that you want peace for Somalia so do I. somalis would prefer to live in their homeland but there is no possibility of anybody going back there right now, maybee in 5-10 years time.
However, Somalis will leave Finland only if they want to, not because you want to Ahitaf, if you want to change the law of Finland so all Somalis can be sent home, well that is your right in a democracy, what you do in a democracy when you have strong opinions about something is, you take political action, you start a political party that represents you and other likeminded people, then you proceed to take part in elections where people will have the choice of supporting or not supporting you and your political platform(ideology ie. communism, green party etc), is this what you want to do Ahitaf, good luck winning the vote of the finish citizens, it should not be hard since you are so convinced that they all want Somalis sent home. Work within the frame work of the Finish law not outside it, otherwise you are a criminal that is abusing/breaking the laws of Finland!
Somalis are not trying to take over Finland lool are you realy believing in what you are saying or are you joking??? Are the Somalis even 10 000 in Finland????
Ahitaf you talk a lot of trash but for a second put yourself in the Somalis shoes, they are away from home, they do not understand the culture, they are discriminated, yes alot of Somalis with good education can not get jobs bbecause of their skincolour so who is to blame if they are unemployed?? How come Somalis here in the USA are all working or getting an education?? Why is Somalis in Canada, the Arab countries and many other countries doing very well??? Maybe Finland discriminates???
In conclusion I think the majority of the Finnish people are caring, hard working people who are happy that they helped Somalis and others in their time of need.
The Somalis I am sure would work hard provided the opportunity, or are you telling me that no Somalis work in Finland???
Pray to GOD that Somalia gets peaceful and that all Somalis can return home remember only GOD almighty make things happen maybe he will make your wishes and the Somalis wishes come through. Stop your hateful attitude it will only make your life miserale it will not affect the Somalis what you think, Somalis are tougher than that, believe me!
Goodbye and Peace for Somalia!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ahitaf | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 02:55 pm
< However, Somalis will leave Finland only if
< they want to, not because you want to Ahitaf,
< if you want to change the law of Finland so all
< Somalis can be sent home, well that is your
< right in a democracy,
Yussuf,
Somalis shall be sent away. If there are legal or political obstacles, they will be removed.
I and many other Finns want to live in peaceful and prosperous Finland as it is the only homeland we have.
So, please, be sure that Somalis will be removed sooner or later. The Finns are starting to wake up. So far many of Finns have been able to isolate themselves from seeing Somalis but the more they learn about Somalis, the more they see Somalis in TV and newspaper, the more angry they get. Remember, nobody invited Somalis. They came here from Russia that is a safe place to live.
And now Somalia is a safe place to live, that is reported in the paper Pakolainen ie. Refugee published by the Finnish refugee Aid.
Go away.
Ahitaf |
| The Enlighter Yusuf | Tuesday, January 09, 2001 - 11:13 pm
lool TV??? what are you talking about TV???
I personaly would never go to Finland if that makes you happy, I make alot more money than 100 finns put together lool I never understood why some Somalis chose Finland and I realy mean that.
The Somalis in Finland must b e the realy troubled once why woulf they go to Finland otherwise, I did not even no where Finland was untill recently when i looked it up! It is in the damn arctic i would not go there if you gave me a billion!
Another thing is Somali girls are considered the most beautiful in the world so why would i need Finnish girls??????? How many supermodels do Finald have??? Well Somalis have quite a few!
Somalis go home I agree with Ahitaf why stay in alnd that is filled with racists, we are going to impose a now Finnish people ban in Africa to!
Have fun with the raindears and saunas and I will have my beaches and fruits and safaris looool!!! |
| Somali_Chick | Thursday, February 01, 2001 - 07:52 pm
Dear Yusuf, (WELL SAID)
All I wanted to say is that YOU GO BOY and tell that losser the truth cause from what I have read so far, he sounds like a teenage who got nothing else to talk about. So don't even waste your energy on him yusuf for real.
Ahtifa,
Just wonderin' did you get dumped by a Somali girl or what? Cause am trying to understand where all this "MADNESS" are comin' from??
Do you show your stinking attitude towards SOMALI PPLE like in PUBLIC besides in here? I am sure you can't say such a thing in public or else you would have been in HOSPITAL long time ago.
Advice to the hatter,
U need to change your ways before something hits you real hard aight!
Ps. One more thing what makes you think that my people would stick around in this CORRUPTED WESTERN WORLD huh?.....believe me we would go back to OUR BEAUTIFUL LAND in any day as soon as everything is PERFECT inshaallah. I'm so happy that am not in Finland or EUROPE for that matter. Am in somewhere that am needed and I work for your information not every somali person is on welfare! I guess you don't know US real well, so is time you focus on your future, which am sure you wouldn't be an assets to your own so called country!
Bye Yusuf! |
