     Aisha | Friday, December 08, 2000 - 10:14 pm
ASLAAMU CALEKUM;
A MONTH OF SHARING AND GIVING, MONTH OF RAMADAN COLLECT PENNIES, CONS, AND QUARTERS AND SENT THEM TO YOUR SIS/BRO OF ISLAAM IN NEED OF FOOD,MEDICAL CARE, CLOTH, AND MANY MORE. THIS MAY SOUND SMALL, BUT IF YOU COLLECT FROM THE PENNIES THAT ARE THROWN IN THECARBAGE AND AROUND THE HOUSES I ASSURE YOU IT WOULD DO SOMETHING TO EASE THE PAIN OF MUSLIMS. BRO/SIS PLEASE TRY YOUR BEST AND DOING SO GOD WILL REWARD YOU BIG. SHARE THE WEALTH AND EASE THE PAIN.
visit the grf.com and donate.
waslaamu calekum |
| MAD MAC | Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 04:26 am
Aisha
Can I take that a step further. Don't just ease the pain of your fellow Muslims, ease the pain of enyone you can whenever you can. i.e. Your fellow humans. All humans are your brothers and sisters, not just other Muslims. A good Muslim should have empathy for anyone who's suffering. My friend Hibo taught me that. |
| Anonymous | Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 04:29 am
Mad mac
do you not have anything else to commont? |
| Aisha | Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 12:27 pm
mad mac;
first thing first. Muslims are the first one you need to feed. I know having empathy for Muslims is better than having for jews or christans. I think you read the Qur'an and there you see it tells you to give what you can to muslims.
I hope that empathy you have is for only muslims first.
take care and aslaamu calekum.. |
| MAD MAC | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 11:12 pm
Aisha
Hope again. I feel a special kinship toward Somalis and am inclined to spend my efforts helping them, but I don't even like Most North Africans very much, and they're almost all Muslims. Basically though, if someone is in need of assistance, and I can assist them, I will. I am not interested in the slightest in what their religious beliefs are. I will not bother to ask either. I find it primitive and backward when you place the value of one persons suffering higher than anothers because of their faith. I couldn't care less what the Qur'an has to say on this point. I agree with the Qur'ans emphasis on charity, but I think it's ridiculous to restrict your caring of others to only those who believe what you believe. |
| Aisha | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 08:27 pm
well, you mad mac you got me wrong. see I want help Muslims because we share a bond of one religion. And if you are Muslims you should know that Muslims come before non Muslims. I think religion is what makes us different from others and if you do some research you will find out that everything in this world somehow is based upon religion. your commons are based upon your view of need and mine is based upon what Qur'an says and if you happened not to believe the Qur'an I have no futher discusion about this issue. And again I posted this message for those people who care what Qur'an says and follow it through.
take care and I hope you start practicing the faith. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 09:40 pm
Aisha
Appreciate the thought, but alas a conversion to Islam (or a return, depending upon your point of view) isn't likely. Hope you have a fullfilling Ramadan and a Happy Eid. |
| Ahmed | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 10:20 pm
Assalam alaikum.
Aisha, sister you should know every one who visits here isn't a muslim.
Mad Mac is an Irish American and he is Catholic wich means he comes here on a purpose wich i havn't figured out.
Wassalam
Ah,ed |
| Aisha | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 03:14 pm
Again, I posted this massage for those muslims who care other Muslims. whoever is visiting this should know this part discusion is called ISLAAM(RELIGION). |
| MuslimSisTa | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:30 am
Salam all
Mad Mac:
I totally agree on what you said about how it should be that we be helping any1 who needs help.
I for one help out both non-muslims and muslims. Through my eyes its WHO NEEDS THE MOST HELP if its my the muslims then they get the help, if its my the non-muslims that are in need then they get my help.
And AISHA say one non-muslim was in need of your help and because of your generous help u keep close ties with this non-muslim how about in the long run he decides to become Muslim. But as u can see their would not be a ONE day since u don't help the non-muslims. You see their goes a potential because u did not want to help them.
One other thing........Are you trying to tell me that if you were in need of help that you would not accept help from a non-muslim and sit tight and wait for the Muslim to come along and help you?
I'm sorry if i have misunderstood what you said Aisha but that is what i gathered from what u have said.
If i have offended any1 please forgive me and anything go i have said is from ALLAH(swt) and anything bad is from Me.
I truly think help is to be given in where it is needed the most.
Your sister in Faith Muslimsista
Salamz All |
| MAD MAC | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 09:55 am
Ahmed
Whoa Sahib, I ain't no Mackeral Snapper. My Grandfather got the boot from the Catholic Church when he married a heretic (a protestant). Nah me man, I'm a Macist.
Muslims Sista - We are on the same wavelength.
Aisha - I still love your name. |
| Msis | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:23 am
Mad Mac
Please please please
Tell me your Motive to hang around whit US???? N don,t say cuz I lve Somalis.......it does not make sense to an 2years Old Kid, let alone me. |
| formerguest. | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 04:26 pm
Mad.
Disbelief is a disbelief whatever form and shape it comes. Macism,judism,christianity, they are all forms of disbelief. that is that.
Secondly, giving the wealth and helping the poor and the needy are two important aspects of islam whereby muslims are told By ALLAH that if they want to attain righteousness, they should pay some of their wealth. Not only that but the part they love.
"003.092 By no means shall you attain righteousness until you spend (benevolently) out of what you love; and whatever thing you spend, Allah surely knows it"
And we learn from the prophet pbuh:
Book 5, Number 2205:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger pbuh as saying: There is never a day wherein servants (of God) get up at morn, but are not visited by two angels. One of them says: 0 Allah, give him more who spends (for the sake of Allah), and the other says: 0 Allah, bring destruction to one who withholds."
Thirdly; According to islam, giving is transitive to all people but first thing first. You start with your closest to the furthest as they say "charity begins at home". A muslim takes care of his own first and then goes to others if able. And that doesn't mean a muslim ignores a needy human being no matter his/her religious affliation.
Lastly, you need to grow up and act as an individual who can stand up for his beliefs. I am getting sick of your pretentious comments. You are a disbelievr and you should consider yourself one. |
| Aisha | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 08:10 pm
aslaamu calekum;
MUSLIMSISTA.
I THINK YOU MISUDERSTOOD MY POINT AND I WOULD CLEARFY FOR YOU. I THINK YOU GOT MIX ABOUT WHO WOULD GET FIRST. AS MUSLIMS GOD (ALLAH) HAS TOLD US TO GIVE WEALTH THOSE SISTERS AND BROTHERS IN ISLAAM. IF YOU WANT GIVE SOMETHING TO NON-MUSLIMS YOU MIGHT BUT IN YOUR HEART AND YOUR MONEY SHOULD GO WITH MUSLIMS. IN THE MEAN TIME, I DON'T THINK NON-MUSLIMS NEED OUR HELP BECAUSE IF YOU SEE TV. THEY GET ORGANIZATION THAT GIVE MONEY AND HELP OUT THEIR KIND.
SO, CONSIDER AND COMPARE THE FACTS AND BE SURE TO READ THE QUR'AAN. I POSTED THIS MESSAGE BECAUSE I DID COLLECT PENNIES AND DONATED TO NEEDED PEOPLE IN PLESTINE.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MANY PEOPLE COMING BACK TO THEIR RELIGION THE ONE RELIGION THAT GIVES US THE NAME AND THE PRIDE TO BE PROUD OF.
LIKE BRO. FORMERQUEST STATED "A muslim takes care of his own first and then goes to others if able"
AND I THINK THAT'S TRUE FIRST THING FIRST.
MAY ALLAH HELPS ALL. |
| MAD MAC | Thursday, December 14, 2000 - 10:00 pm
Msis
Cause I love Somalis. And you're right, it doesn't make sense. Now there's some irony for you.
formerguest
I do not beliee the Qur'an is the unadulterated word of God. I think I've said that about 100 times here, but hey for you Sahib, I'll make it 101. Happy now? |
| FG. | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 12:55 am
MAD.
Your thoughts about the Quran don't count. What Allah says and his angels do count. Plus what muslims think of the Quran count more than what a non-muslim thinks about the Quran.
"4.166 But Allah bears witness that what He has sent unto YOU He haS sent from His (own) knowledge, and the angels bear witness: But enough is Allah for a witness."
"6.19 Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "Allah is witness between me and you; This Qurán has been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can you possibly bear witness that besides Allah there are other gods?" Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He
is the One God, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him."
Well MAD, we are innocent of your plasphemy to the Quran and Allah. You failed miserably. You tried in vain to come up with Quranic fallacy but couldn't up with any. What was your excuse when you were required to come up with any?. You couldn't do it right?. Did you know that you are repaeting the same old stories and accusations of OLD against THE QURAN?. Diselievers sound alike, talk alike and think alike. Somethings never change. |
| MAD MAC | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 02:38 am
Formerguest
What do you mean I failed miserably? In what regard? Beyond debating the issues and exchanging viewpoints for the purposes of enlightment what do you think I was trying to do here? I am on this net for my enlightenment. If someone gets something out of what I have to say, fine, but that ain't my purpose. My purpose is to hear what you guys have to say. |
| FG. | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 04:28 am
mad.
You said: "What do you mean I failed miserably?".
You failed miserably in your attempt to get your fallacy diatribe of the Quran across for many many times. WHY NOT GIVE UP?. That is why I think your purpose is not to learn and Allah knows best. You can't Sit around by a particular fraudulent accusation that you know isn't gonna work.
Furthermore, If you read the Quran you would have seen other people making the same accusations and the feed-back they got. And that was 1421 years ago. What has changed since then?. NOTHING for some people.
They asked for another Quran:
"10.15 But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them, those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, Say: "Bring us a Qurán other than this, or change this," Say: "It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the Chastisement of a Great Day (to come)."
See?, they didn't agree with the Quran because they didn't hope they would meet ALLAH. What a resemblance between you and those previous disbelievers!. Don't you see MAD?. You don't think you will meet ALLAH thus you don't consider the Quran to be the truth when it is read to you or you read it personally.
They said the Quran is not from ALLAH but form another source thus accusing our prophet pbuh to have fabricated his own stories. Allah responded to them:
"10.37 This Qurán is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the Worlds. "
So, Allah is telling them; THE QURAN IS FROM HIM!.
That didn't settle with them and they kept whining about the QURAN and its imagined other source, and Allah told them this:
"002.023 And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful."
"002.024 But if you do (it) not and never shall you do (it), then be on your guard against the fire of which men and stones are the fuel; it is prepared for the unbelievers."
See that MAD?. What more diatribe do you have?. I see a lazy man who is counting on false hopes and wishful thinking that nothing will happen to him.
You said you are here to learn what we have to say, Well, Don't pretend to know it all then. You don't behave like you are seeking any knowledge. You are attacking the Quran, the prophet of islam, and you expect people to buy into that?. There is something wrong with that picture. |
| MAD MAC | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 04:37 am
Formerguest
You draw information your way and I'll draw it mine. I am sure that I will die, as all men die. I am sure that there is some post-material existence that awaits us. I am not sure I will get a personal interview with Allah, although I would certainly look forward to that, since by definition God is all knowing. I do not fear God. I do not regard him the same way you do. I do not think God is waiting to punish people for misdeeds or to judge them. I do not wish away my fate however. If Islam were the divine word of God, then I feel confident God, who made me, would understand why I draw the conclusions that I do.
As I said before, I don't expect you to change your FUNDAMENTAL beliefs (or any others for that matter). Don't expect me to change mine. |
| MuslimSisTa | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 08:27 am
Salamz all
FG. and Mad Mac:
sorry to say but need to stop (i know its none of my business but its the good of the forums i believe) both of you stop the back and forth argument its meaningless and it will bring u nothing. This forum as the many other forums are here for discussions. Not to be attacking other people or their believes. So i would suggest u too and the other many people who argue constantly.
Please respect other peoples views just like you want them to respect yours. I for one would not like personal attacks. Thats why this message is for EVERY1 not just FG. and Mad Mac But including Myself.
P.S. their is always times where I very much totaly disagree with one but i try my best not to attack. And if any1 is reading this and thinks i have attacked them in my posts please forgive me and i ask ALLAH(swt) to forgive me.
Anything Good i have said is from Allah(swt) and anything Bad is from Me.
Your sister in Faith MuslimSista
SalamzAll |
| FG. | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 02:40 pm
Mad.
You accept death because you can't escape from it. And if you are uncertain about your future, you shouldn't bother people who are certain with your uncertainty. You keep your distance from the Quran and I keep my distance from your superstitions.
Muslimsista.
Depends on other(non-muslim) entities and what they do. |
| FG. | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 02:57 pm
mUSLIMsISTAH.
If you surf the net, you will find a lot of things you dislike. Since you have no control over what goes on the net, it is prudent that you take steps to avoid what hurts your feelings. DON'T READ WHAT YOU DISLIKE AND IGNORE IT. |
| MuslimSisTa | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 06:32 pm
Salamz All
F.G:
You are totally missing the point what am trying to say is we need RESPECT in the forums treat others just the way you would like to be treated. And it was only a sincere advice if you don't want to take it DONT. I only thought that a Muslims Sister should help her fellow Brothers&Sisters cause your supposed to: love for your self what you would love for your Sisters&Brothers.
Your sister in Faith MuslimSisTa
Salamz' All` |
| FG. | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 07:43 pm
MuslimSista.
My DEAR SIS, I don't open discussions for people to either disrespect or hurt their feelings. I respond to people when and if I can to point out the difference of opinion I have with what they jot down. Is that attacking someone personally?. It might, based on the definer.
By the way sis, I won't be around for a while. Hope MAD takes your advice and respects people's religion as well. |
| Aisha | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 10:11 pm
aslaamu calekum to muslims
Mad;
I think based on your comments, you not a Muslim. I do questioned why are you surfing this part of the net since it reads ISLAM? I wouldn't debate with you about Islam because whoever knows knows that he/she got what to be thankful for. If you however, want to learn about Islam, there is path to take and certainly this path you have is not. Maybe you don't want to learn and that's fine because ALLAH DOESN'T NEED SUCH PEOPLE.
if you are Muslim and you want debate over something watch the topic because the qur'an is not a toy and or subject to be play with. I hope you will find something to do.
forgive me if I mistaking but this discussion of mine went to wrong path. |
| anonymous. | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 05:48 pm
muslimsister.
We don't respect and appreciate someone's viewpoint or opinion if it is against islam. I don't understand why you called this MAD KUFFAR's insult to islam a viewpoint. He can shove his opinions in his purse. |
| MuslimSisTa | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 06:33 pm
Salamz all
As i said before "it was only a sincere advice if you don't want to take it DONT. I only thought that a Muslims Sister should help her fellow Brothers&Sisters cause your supposed to: love for your self what you would love for your Sisters&Brothers."
And it was also said that if the ignorant speaks say PEACE(sorry but i dont have any Quotes inshallah if i find it i'll post it i think it came from the Quran)
Your sister in Faith MuslimSisTa
Salamz' All |
