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Muridi Haji Ajuuke

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i thought this was interesting, please learn from it.


> > Assalamo Aleekum > > > > I think each and every one of us should read and
> > reflect upon this email
> > in great detail. May Allah give us the strength and
> > courage to stand up
> > for the truth, Islam, and the wisdom to do so in the > > best
> > manner. This is an actual thing that happened in > > Maryland
> > University... > > > > Why Science fails to explain God. > >
> > "Professing to be wise, they became fools .... "
> > "LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with God." > > An atheist
> > professor of philosophy pauses before his class and
> > then asks one of his > > new students to stand. "You're a Muslim, aren't
> > you, son?" "Yes, sir." > > "So you believe in God?" > > "Absolutely."
> > Is God good?" > > "Sure! God's good."
> > "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?" > > "Yes."
> > "Are you good or evil?" > > "The Koran says I'm evil."
> > The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE KORAN!" He > > considers for a
> > moment. > > "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person
> > over here and you can > > cure him.
> > You can do it. Would you help them? "Would you try?"
> > "Yes sir, I would." > > "So you're good...!" > > "I wouldn't say that."
> > "Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed > > person if you
> > could...in fact most of us would if we could...God > > doesn't.
> > [No answer] > > "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Muslim who
> > died of cancer even
> > though he prayed to God to heal him. How is this God
> > good? Hmmm? Can you > > answer that one?" > > [No answer]
> > The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can > > you?" He takes a
> > sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the
> > student time to relax. > > In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new
> > ones. "Let's start again, > > young fella." "Is God good?"
> > "Er... Yes." > > "Is Satan good?" > > "No."
> > "Where does Satan come from?" > > The student falters. > > "From... God..."
> > "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The > > elderly man runs his
> > bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to
> > the smirking, student
> > audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun > > this semester,
> > ladies and gentlemen."
> > He turns back to the Muslim. "Tell me, son. Is there
> > evil in this world?" > > "Yes, sir."
> > "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make > > everything?" > > "Yes."
> > "Who created evil? > > [No answer]
> > "Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? > > Hatred? Ugliness? All
> > the terrible things - do they exist in this world?
> > "The student squirms > > on his feet. "Yes." > > "Who created them? "
> > [No answer] > > The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO
> > CREATED THEM? TELL > > ME,PLEASE!
> > The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into > > the Muslim's face.
> > In a still small voice: "God created all evil, > > didn't He, son?"
> > [No answer] > > The student tries to hold the steady, experienced
> > gaze and fails. > > Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front
> > of the classroom > > like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized.
> > "Tell me," he continues,
> > "How is it that this God is good if He created all > > evil throughout all
> > time?" > > The professor swishes his arms around to encompass
> > the wickedness of > > the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the
> > pain, all the > > torture,all the death and ugliness and all the
> > suffering created by this
> > good God is all over the world, isn't it, young > > man?" > > [No answer]
> > "Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?" > > Pause.
> > "Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's > > face again and
> > whispers, > > "Is God good?" > > [No answer]
> > "Do you believe in God, son?"
> > The student's voice betrays him and cracks. > > "Yes, professor. I do."
> > The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you > > have five senses
> > you use to identify and observe the world around > > you. Have you? " "No,
> > sir. > > I've never seen Him."
> > "Then tell us if you've ever heard your God?" > > "No, sir. I have not."
> > "Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God or > > smelt your God...in
> > fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God > > whatsoever?"
> > [No answer] > > "Answer me, please." > > "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
> > "You're AFRAID... you haven't?" > > "No, sir."
> > "Yet you still believe in him?" > > "...yes..."
> > "That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at > > the underling.
> > "According to the rules of empirical, testable, > > demonstrable
> > protocol,science says your God doesn't exist. What > > do you say to that,
> > son > > Where is your God now?" > > [The student doesn't answer]
> > "Sit down, please." > > The Muslim sits...Defeated.
> > Another Muslim raises his hand. "Professor, may I > > address the class?"
> > The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Muslim > > in the vanguard!
> > Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to > > the gathering." The
> > Muslim looks around the room. "Some interesting > > points you are making,
> > sir. > > Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing > > as heat?"
> > "Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."
> > "Is there such a thing as cold?" > > "Yes, son, there's cold too."
> > "No, sir, there isn't."
> > The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes > > very cold.
> > The second Muslim continues. "You can have lots of > > heat, even more
> > heat, superheat, mega-heat, white heat, a little > > heat or no heat but we
> > don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 > > degrees below zero,
> > which is no heat, but we can't go any further after > > that. There is no
> > such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go
> > colder than 458 - You
> > see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the
> > absence of heat. We > > cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal
> > units because heat is
> > energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir,just > > the absence of it."
> > Silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.
> > "Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?" > > "That's a dumb
> > question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? > > What are you getting
> > at...?" > > "So you say there is such a thing as darkness?" > > "Yes..."
> > "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, > > it is the absence
> > of something. You can have low light, normal light,
> > bright light, flashing
> > light but if you have no light constantly you have > > nothing and it's
> > called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use
> > to define the word. > > In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would
> > be able to make > > darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can
> > you...give me a jar of darker > > darkness,professor?"
> > Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young > > effrontery before
> > him. This will indeed be a good semester.
> > "Would you mind telling us what your point is, young > > man?" "Yes,
> > professor. > > My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to
> > start with and so > > your conclusion must be in error...." The professor
> > goes toxic. > > "Flawed...?How dare you...!""
> > "Sir, may I explain what I mean?" > > The class is all ears.
> > "Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an > > admirable effort to
> > regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. > > He waves his hand to
> > silence the class, for the student to continue.
> > "You are working on the premise of duality," the > > Muslim explains. "That
> > for example there is life and then there's death; a > > good God and a bad
> > God. > > You are viewing the concept of God as something
> > finite, something we can
> > measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. > > It uses
> > electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much
> > less fully understood
> > them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
> > ignorant of the fact > > that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
> > Death is not the opposite > > of life,merely the absence of it."
> > The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the > > desk of neighbor
> > who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most
> > disgusting tabloids this
> > country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as > > immorality?" "Of
> > course there is, now look..."
> > "Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely > > the absence of
> > morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No.
> > Injustice is the absence
> > of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The > > Muslim pauses. "Isn't
> > evil the absence of good?"
> > The professor's face has turned an alarming color. > > He is so angry he is
> > temporarily speechless. > > The Muslim continues. "If there is evil in the
> > world, professor, and we
> > all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be
> > accomplishing a work > > through the agency of evil. What is that work, God
> > is accomplishing? The
> > Quran tells us it is to see if each one of us will,
> > of our own free will, > > choose good over evil."
> > The professor bridles. "As a philosophical > > scientist, I don't view this
> > matter as having anything to do with any choice; as > > a realist, I
> > absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or > > any other theological
> > factor as being part of the world equation because
> > God is not observable." > > "I would have thought that the absence of God's
> > moral code in this > > world is probably one of the most observable
> > phenomena going," the Muslim
> > replies. "Newspapers make billions of dollars > > reporting it every week!
> > Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that > > they evolved from a
> > monkey?" > > "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary
> > process, young man, > > yes,of course I do."
> > "Have you ever observed evolution with your own > > eyes, sir?" The
> > professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and > > gives his student a
> > silent, stony stare. Professor. Since no-one has
> > ever observed the process
> > of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this
> > process is an ongoing > > endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir?
> > Are you now not a > > scientist, but a priest?"
> > "I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our > > philosophical
> > discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the
> > professor hisses. "So you > > don't accept God's moral code to do what is
> > righteous?" > > "I believe in what is - that's science!"
> > "Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a > > grin.
> > "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of > > observed
> > phenomena. > > Science too is a premise which is flawed..."
> > SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters. > > The class is in uproar.
> > The Muslim remains standing until the commotion has > > subsided. "To
> > continue the point you were making earlier to the > > other student, may I
> > give you an example of what Imean?" The professor > > wisely keeps silent.
> > The Muslim looks around the room. "Is there anyone > > in the class who has
> > ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks > > out in laughter. The
> > Muslim points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor.
> > "Is there anyone here
> > who has ever heard the professor's brain.. felt the > > professor's brain,
> > touched or smelt the professor's brain?" No one
> > appears to have done so. > > The Muslim shakes his head sadly. "It appears
> > no-one here has had any > > sensory perception of the professor's brain
> > whatsoever. Well, according to
> > the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable
> > protocol, science, I DECLARE > > that the professor has no brain."
> > The class is in chaos.
> > The Muslim sits... Because that is what a chair is > > for. > > > >
> > Wasalamo Aleekum

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HIBO

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WOWWWWWWWWWWW!
I LOVE THIS PIECE!

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bashir abdi.

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This can help people who take science as the final authority of life. They may learn a lot from this philosophical argument.

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NeefoowKaniini

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,,,,,Good job,,,,Good point!!!!!