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     | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! I think I found another way from the Qur`an for us to be SURE that everything that God sent were MESSENGERS and not Prophets(as many believe!) You see, in the Qur`an, there is this sentence that God uses -- in several places in the Qur`an. This sentence is; “Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers”(Allahi, wa Malaa`ikitihi, wa Kutubihi, wa Rasulihi” [2.285 The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His MESSENGERS. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (we seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."] [4.136 O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His MESSENGERS, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.] I capitalized the word “messengers” to just get your attention to it. Notice, God says; “MESSENGERS” thus, everyone that God sent is a Messenger. Otherwise, God would say; “PROPHETS” if every thing that God sent was a Prophet. Most people believe everything that God sent is a Prophet -- and some of those Prophets are Messengers(who are given books) this is not so...because God says; “ANGELS” “BOOKS” “MESSENGERS” -- Angels...are staff of God -- they all do different jobs for God. Only some of them do deliver Messages(such as warning, killing, giving life, writting, etc) However not all of them are Messengers. They are like humans -- whom God CHOOSES Messengers from(22.75 where God tells us this!) Notice, God does not ask us to believe in all humans -- because not all humas are staff of God. But, he asks us to believe in the “messengers”. Thus -- messengers are staff of God...like all the Angels are...while not all humans are staff of God. So, it’s impretive that we believe in the ALL Angels -- when we do not have to all humans. -- Books are Books given to specific kinds of people who brought a Message. Not everyone who brought a Message was given a book. However, everything that God sent ruled in these Books. Either messenger before them brought -- or they themselves brought it. Thus, to believe in the “BOOKS” is a must. -- Messengers, similar, are anyone sent with a message; that is elementry. “message” “messenger”. Anyone who God send to any people and tells them to believe “Laa ilaha ilaa Allah” is a Messenger. This is why God asks us to believe in the “MESSENGERS” not just “Prophets” becuase when we only believe in the Prophets...we don’t believe in all Messengers. In 22.75, God tells us this; “Allah chooses messengers from angels and from men, for Allah is He Who hears and sees (all things).” Thus, those special people whom God uses to deliver message from Angels and Men are MESSENGERS. Not just prophets. There is no Angel-Prophet(including Archangel Michael who brought the revelation to the Prophets; he is only a Messenger...it was the PROPHET’S job to take the Book to other humans!) Had there were Angels who came down to preach from a Book given by God, they would be called Angel-Prophets...and not just Angel-Messengers. Similar, God sends Messengers to JINNS; [6.130 "O ye assembly of Jinns and men! came there not unto you messengers from amongst you, setting forth unto you My Signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "We bear witness against ourselves." It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith.] This is why I don’t agree with Rashad’s saying that “Jinns are creations who believed in the Devil...and did not up hold God’s devine.” He says it is the human being who must convince the jinn to believe. This cannot be true if God sends them Messengers(are we “amongst them”?) -- they’re as doomed to be forgiven as the humans, if they believe correctly. I believe that those who intervine with humans are the evil ones...and those who don’t bother us are the good ones. So, what do you think? Do you believe now that everything that was sent were Messengers -- instead of the largely believed idea that it was *Prophets*? Peace and love to all Muslims, --Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed; I think you are drawing a fine line here- differentiating between messengers and prophets (rassul and nabi) It is getting into details that can get very confusing. And Allah's message is NEVER confusing to his people. So let me ask you a question; You believe the Quran to be a complete book, right? It contains Allah's Word, right? It is presereved and perfect, right? So, if Allah (SWT) planned to send a messenger after Prophet Muhammed, shouldn't it be mentioned- repeatedly in the Quran- clear for all mankind to know? Not in any hidden format- hidden in numbers etc- but CLEARLY for all to know. Can you explain that? Second question; why do you have this obsession with a second messenger? Do you find something lacking in Prophet Muhammed's message? Do you find something missing in the Quran? Quran is the complete book from Allah and He has and will preserve it to eternity. End of story. No need for a messenger. Thoughts? Comments? Plse keep them simple- I am not an learned Islamic scholar- but Allah's slave who believes in the perfect book- Quran- and our prophet Muhammed.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Caraweelo, There is nothing confusing. The thing is -- for me, it is as clear as crystal. I'm just trying to help others who do not see it that way...see it better. Today, I recieved an email from a person who saw this message and said for the first time...it was clear to them. I was glad. Now, about your queries. DO i believe the book to be complete and perfect and preserved? Of course, I do. After that, you asked; [So, if Allah (SWT) planned to send a messenger after Prophet Muhammed, shouldn't it be mentioned- repeatedly in the Quran- clear for all mankind to know? Not in any hidden format- hidden in numbers etc- but CLEARLY for all to know. Can you explain that?] You see, God did this in the Qur`an; 3.81! He takes covenant from the prophets and tells them that there will come to them a messenger who will confirm what is with them of book. Thus, for any sincere muslim -- it doesn't leave any blank or confussion in mind that there will be a messenger after Muhammad -- for Muhammad was given a book. Numbers? what are you talking about? You mixing rashad with the messenger i have in mind. Rashad claimed the *numbers* to have been his proof. This has nothing to do with a messenger coming after muhammad. Why, Caraweelo, would you want God to tell you the name of the messenger, etc?...or maybe send angels with him when he comes? Isn't this a little bit of the oldie custom? :) You also asked; [why do you have this obsession with a second messenger? Do you find something lacking in Prophet Muhammed's message? Do you find something missing in the Quran? Quran is the complete book from Allah and He has and will preserve it to eternity. End of story. No need for a messenger. Thoughts? Comments?] Obsession? Fighting what is NOT of God is not an obsession, Caraweelo -- but an act that is upon any believer. Muhammad was perfect as a Messenger and Prophet -- he lacked nothing any other messenger/prophet did not. I think you're missing the WHOLE point why God sent Messengers, to begin with. It wasn't because the prophet/messenger before lacked something -- but because man deviated from that. And, YES, Caraweelo...as painful as it was -- I accepted that THIS nation deviated from the right course. It is ALL over the religion...one only needs the Qur`an to help them see that. Everything is corrupted...even the base and foundations of the religion. People think "muhammadan rasullulah" is part of something that was required every nation and every people in the past. people make hajj to the tomb of the prophet. people talk to muhammad(pbuh) in their salats. people do not fast...when they should...and wait until someone sees it(even when technology is so here!) people give zakkat once a year -- and think it's not upon everyone but some special people. people believe prophet muhammad was better than any other prophet(even those whom god created without a father and given the power to heal and rise the dead and give life) ...the list is endless, sister. Corrupted to no end is this religion, at the moment. We are now as nearly corrupted as jews and x-tians, truly. And, yes, I do too believe in Allah and His perfected and fully preserved Book and also believe in his Messenger and Prophet. This is never questioned! Peace, Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date By umar on Sunday, January 30, 2000 - 08:47 am: "The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Allah will send NO MESSENGER after me, but only Mubashshirat. It was said: what is meant by al-Mubashshirat. He said : Good vision or pious vision". (Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat Abu Tufail, Nasa'i, Abu Dawud) (In other words there is no possibility of Divine revelation in future. At the most if some one receives an inspiration from Allah he will receive it in the form of "pious dream." The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said: "If a MESSENGER were to succeed me, it would have been 'Umar bin Khattab." (Tirmidhi,Kitab-ul- Manaqib) " "The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik). The Holy Prophet (PBUH) told 'Ali, "You are related to me as Aaron was related to Moses(peace be upon him). But no Apostle will come after me." (Bukhari and Muslim, Kitab Fada'il as-Sahaba). Thauban reports: "The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: And there will arise Thirty imposters in my Ummah and each one of them will pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last in the line of the Prophets of God and NO MESSENGER will come after me." (Abu Dawud, Kitab-ul-Fitan).Abu Dawud in 'Kitab-ul-Malahim' has recorded another tradition reported by Abu Huraira in the same subject. Tirmidhi has also recorded these two traditions as reported by Hadrat Thauban and Hadrat Abu Huraira. The text of the second tradition runs thus: "It will come to this that thirty IMPOSTERS will arise and each one of them will put forth his claim to be the MESSENGER of God.". The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "Among the tribe of Israel who went before you there indeed were such people who held communion with God, even though they were not his Prophets. If ever there arose a person from among my people who would hold communion with God, it would be none else but 'Umar (May Allah be pleased with him)." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib). Now, the question is: Do we believe Ahmed with the Submitters or do we believe the sayings of our messenger/prophet Muhammad? Also, the other issue we are talking with Ahmed and the Submitters is ABOUT the prophets and books. Well, one of the prophet's sayings is this: It has been reported that the prophet to have said: "From Adam to me, Allah sent a hundred and twenty-four thousand Prophets, of whom three hundred and fifteen were entrusted with a Book." Now, the question is why were there so many more Prophets than Books as the hadeeth tell us? I mean, If the role of a Prophet were simply to HAVE a BOOK and deliver the Book, as Ahmed and Submitters believe, there should have been as many Books as Prophets, right? :-) " By umar on Sunday, January 30, 2000 - 04:44 pm: "Messengerhood is not a quality to be acquired by a KADAAB like Khalifa Rashad and even any person who proves himself worthy of it by devoting himself to prayers and righteous deeds nor is it anything like a reward given in recognition of good service. Messengerhood is an office and Allah appoints some person to this office to fulfill a special need. When such a need arises, Allah appoints a Prophet first then that Prophet as a Messenger to fulfill it. Allah does not send Messengers in rapid succession when there is no need or when the need has been fulfilled. Firstly there was need for a Prophet and Messenger to be sent unto a certain nation to which no prophet/messenger had been sent before and the message brought by the Prophet/Messenger of another nation could not have reached these people. Secondly, there was need for appointing a prophet because the message of an earlier Prophet/Messenger had been forgotten by the people, or the teachings of the former prophets/messengers had been adulterated and hence it had become impossible to follow the message brought by that Messenger/Prophet. Thirdly, the people had not received complete mandate of Allah through a former prophet/messenger. Hence succeeding prophets/messengers were sent to fulfill the task of completing the religion of Allah. Fourthly, there was need for a second prophet/messenger to share the responsibility of office with the first prophet. It is obvious that none of the above needs remains to be fulfilled after the advent of Messenger/Prophet Muhammad. The Holy Quran says that the Rasuul of Muhammad has been sent as a bearer of instructions for the whole mankind. The cultural history of the world bears testimony to the fact that since the advent of the Messenger Muhammed up to the present time such conditions have always prevailed in the world which were conducive to transmitting his message to all nations at all times. It follows, therefore, that different nations no longer need different messengers after the time of the messenger Muhammad. The Holy Quran and the records of Hadith and the biographical details of the life of Muhammad stand witness to the fact that the Divine message brought into this world by the Messenger/prophet Muhammad is extant in its original and pure form. The Messenger's message has suffered no process of distortion or falsification. Not a single word has been added to or expunged from the Holy Book which the Messenger Muhammad brought unto the world from Almighty Allah-----except what the Rashad Khalifa's followers claim---nor can anyone make additions to or delete anything from it till the Day of Resurrection. The message which the Holy Messenger conveyed by word and action has been transmitted to us in such comprehensive, pure and original form. In this way the second condition under which Messengers/Propehts are sent unto the world has also been fulfilled. Thirdly the Holy Qur'an clearly affirms that Allah has finally completed His Divine Mission through the agency of Messenger/Prophet Muhammad---"today I have completed your diin---hence there is no room for a new messenger to carry the divine mission to completion. As regards the fourth condition, if a partner were really needed he would have been appointed in the time of Messenger Muhammad (PBUH) to share the burden of his ministry. Since no co- prophet/messenger was appointed, this condition also stands fulfilled. We should not, therefore, look around for a fifth condition under which a new messenger might be needed after Muhammad. If the Submitters---with Ahmed being their poster-boy or a messenger---argue that people have fallen into depravity, hence there is need for a new messenger like Rashad Khalifa to reform the degenerate people, we shall ask him: When did a messenger ever come to introduce reforms only that we should need one now to carry out the work of reformation? A messenger/prophet is appointed so that he may be the recipient of Divine revelation and Divine revelations are made with express purpose of transmitting a new message or to correct the wrongs that have crept into an earlier religion. When the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of our Messenger/Prophet Muhammad have been preserved in comprehensive form and when the Divine mission has been completed by Muhammad, all possible need for the transmission of Divine revelations have now been fulfilled and there is further need only of reformers to cleanse the evils of mankind, but there is no room for MESSENGERS OR PROPHETS. The other point which needs consideration is that whenever a messenger/prophet is sent unto a certain people the question of faith and infidelity invariably arises among these people. The faithful form one Ummah and the disbelievers automatically form different community. The difference that keeps these two communities apart is not peripheral or superficial but a basic and fundamental difference of belief or disbelief in a messenger/prophet; and those two communities can never merge with each other unless people of one side decide to surrender their faith. In addition, these two Ummahs obtain guidance and derive their law from two different sources. One sect follows the law emanating from the Divine message and Sunnah of the Messenger or the Prophet they believe in; the other community is fundamentally opposed to the idea of this Messenger being the law-giver. On this basis, it becomes an impossibility for these two sections to join in a unified and cohesive society. It will be perfectly clear to a man who keeps the above facts in view that the Finality of Messengerhood and the Finality Prophethood are great blessing from Allah for the people of Islam------for we would not expect a man like Rashad Khalifa to claim that he is a messenger from Allah. The belief in the finality of Messengerhood/Prophethood has secured Muslim society from the danger of any fundamental dissension which might result in permanent division in its ranks. Now every man who accepts Muhammad (PBUH) as a divinely appointed Guide and Leader and also is not inclined to seek instruction from any other source except the Divine message of the Messenger Muhammad is a member of the brotherhood of Islam and on this basis, can join this brotherhood at any time. If the office of Prophethood/Messengerhood had not been sealed once and for all after Muhammad, the people of Islam could never have forged a cohesive society; for every new MESSENGER/PROPHET would have shattered the unity of the Ummah. A reasonable person after a little deliberation will come to the conclusion that when a *messenger* has been sent to the whole mankind (not just to a certain group or nation), and when the Divine *message* has been completely transmitted through this Messenger/Prophet and further when the teachings of the Messenger have been fully preserved, the office of messengerhood/prophethood should be sealed after him in order that the whole world may unite in allegiance to this Messenger/Prophet and form one brotherhood of the faithful. Only in this way can universal brotherhood of Islam be secured against needless dissensions which might have repeatedly erupted on the appearance of every successive messenger/prophet----but no no no---the *wicked* people like the ones Ahmed agrees with wouldn't have it that way.! The traditions or the sayings of our messenger relating to the Descent of CIISE, Abu Huraira reports that the messenger of Allah said: "I swear by Him Who hath power over my life, the son of Mary shall descend among ye as a Just ruler. He will break the cross and kill the swine; and he will put an end to war." (Bukhari, Kitab Ahadith al-Anbiya; Bab: Nuzul 'Isa Ibn Maryam; Muslim, Bab: Bayan Nuzul 'Isa; Tirmidhi, Abwab-al-Fitan; Bab Fi Nuzul 'Isa; Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat Abu Huraira) Abu Huraira reports that the Messenger of Allah said: "What will you be like when the son of Mary shall descend among ye and a person among ye will discharge the office of Imam (leader in Prayers)."[see footnote 7] (Bukhari, Kitab Ahadith Anbiya, Bab: Nuzul Isa; Muslim, Nuzul Isa; Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat Abu Huraira) . Jabir bin Abdullah reports that he heard the Messenger Muhammad as saying: "Then Ciise, son of Mary, will descend. The leader of the Muslims will say to him, "Come, lead us in Prayer," but he will reply, "No be thou your own leaders in prayer."[see footnote 8] He will say this out of respect for the dignity that God has bestowed on the people of Islam." (Muslim, Bayan Nuzul Isa ibn Maryam; Musnad Ahmad, Basilsila Marwiyat Jabir bin Abdullah)"
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed wrote: {People think "muhammadan rasullulah" is part of something that was required every nation and every people in the past. people make hajj to the tomb of the prophet. people talk to muhammad(pbuh) in their salats. people do not fast...when they should...and wait until someone sees it(even when technology is so here!) people give zakkat once a year -- and think it's not upon everyone but some special people.} http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/ The International Community of Submitters The Submitters are followers of the late Rashad Khalifa, a man who claimed to be a Messenger of Allah. This claim in itself is sufficient to remove the Submitters from Islam as the Qur'an states (translation): "O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything." (33:40) The true Prophet of Islam, Muhammad, observed: "The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Sahih Bukhari) Much of Rashad Khalifa's misguidance can be traced to his obsession with numerology, an obsession which has misguided many different people throughout history. Khalifa alleged that the Qur'an contained a mathematical code which revolved around the number 19. He went to the extent of removing two verses from the Qur'an because according to him "the word `God' ... is not a multiple of 19, unless we remove [it]", and the "sum of all verse numbers where the word `God' occurs is ... 19x6217 ... If the false verse 9:129 is included, this phenomenon disappears." By rejecting a single verse of the Qur'an, the Submitters bring themselves under the judgement of another verse, ... Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part? And what is the reward of those who do so save ignominy in the life of the world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be consigned to the most grievous doom ... (2:85) It is interesting to note that Khalifa was a numerologist who did his blighted profession justice: he predicted the end of the world. However, Allah says in the Qur'an They ask you about the (last) hour, when will be its taking place? Say: The knowledge of it is only with my Lord; none but He shall manifest it at its time; it will be momentous in the heavens and the earth; it will not come on you but of a sudden. They ask you as if you were solicitous about it. Say: Its knowledge is only with Allah, but most people do not know. (7:187) The Submitters also reject the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saws)- not part of it, but the whole of it. For the Submitters, the Sunnah is not a source of Islam. The problems this presents are overwhelming, for by doing so the Submitters have effectively destroyed their ability to perform: Salaat (obligatory prayers), the second pillar of Islam Zakat (obligatory tax), the third pillar of Islam Sawm (fasting), the fourth pillar of Islam Hajj (pilgrimage), the fifth pillar of Islam With four out of the five pillars of Islam removed, the Submitters have little to back their claim to being "Muslim". The true Messenger of Islam (saws) warned Muslims of falling into this trap, Narrated AbuRafi': The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Let me not find one of you reclining on his couch when he hears something regarding me which I have commanded or forbidden [i.e. from the Sunnah -ed.] and saying: 'We do not know. What we found in Allah's Book [i.e. the Qur'an] we have followed.'" Book 40, Number 4588 of Sunan Abu-Dawud
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| | Unrecorded Date Responses to the above lies: ......................................... More lies on the Internet about Dr. Rashad Khalifa, and the submitters, the reply and clarification. As the misguided groups of Muslims find the truth prevailing and the word of God spreading despite all their attempts to fight the truth, they found it necessary for them to start spreading lies as their last hope in fighting the spread of the True Islam (Submission). Several web sites on the Internet sponsored by these misguided groups have posted these lies and copied each other in an attempt to confuse those who will run into the truth. We will post here a reply to some of those posts that we came across while surfing the Internet or have seen on Islamic Bulletin Boards. We need to remind the reader however to verify the truth as God commanded us in the Quran and never accept any information including ours without verification. [49:6] O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate, lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done. [17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself.I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them. Here is the second group of lies posted by some of the traditional Muslims who refuse to accept God's words in the Quran that Quran is COMPLETE, PERFECT ADN FULLY DETAILED and the only acceptable Hadith to God and their replies. Editor's note: They cannot stand the truth, so they have to come up with lies and more lies. Have they studied the Quran as God commanded them, they may have got some light but they are prevented from understanding it. See 6:25, 17:46, and 18:57. The reason is that they refused to believe God in His own book when He told them that His book is COMPLETE, PERFECT ADN FULLY DETAILED. They went after the books of Bukhary, Moslem, Abu Daoud, Nesaay...etc. God is not sufficient for them. << Rashad Khalifa claims to be a Messenger of Allah. This itself is enough to remove the Submitters from Islam as the Qur'an states >> It is clear that you do not knew your Quran and do not believe God in His own book. You do not know the difference between a messenger and a prophet. Yes, Quran informs us that Muhammed is the last prophet but God never said he is the last messenger, God did not miss that point and He does not forget. See our file; http://www.submission.org/messenger/prophet.html <<"O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything." (33:40) >> As you can see, the Quran talks about the last prophet. Please educate yourself, know your Quran, know the difference between a messenger and a prophet. God insists on calling Muhammed , a messenger of God AND the Last prophet. If the prophet and messenger were the same, God would not have separated the statements, and sating Last prophet would have been enough for the meaning. God knows what He is saying, you do not. http://www.submission.org/messenger/prophet.html <<The true Prophet of Islam, Muhammad, observed: "The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Sahih Bukhari) >> Quran is not good enough for you, you looking for man made words. still you do not know the difference between a prophet and a messenger. http://www.submission.org/messenger/prophet.html Muhammed did not know the future either IF YOU BELIEVE THE QURAN. This makes all these future telling hadith a gross lie in the face of the Quran. It is clear that you do not believe God in the Quran but you think you are a Muslim (Submitter). See our file at. http://www.submission.org/future.html << Much of Rashad Khalifa's misguidance can be traced to his obsession with numerology, an obsession which has misguided many different people throughout history.>> Ignorance is not an excuse for lies. Since you do not know what is numerology then do not use the word. Dr. Khalifa presented mathematical facts not numerology. He had nothing to do with numerology not mention "obsession." I recommend that you go to a dictionary and see what numerology means or see our file at; http://www.submission.org/miracle/gematrical.html Dr. Khalifa was not interested in the occult meaning of numbers or words. Number 19 has certain function that is detailed in the Quran in 74:31, nothing occult or hidden in it. God gave us all what we need to know about it in the Quran. << Khalifa alleged that the Qur'an contained a mathematical code which revolved around the number 19.>> No one can make such a big claim without basis. Muslim scholars celebrated his mathematical discoveries until he told them to follow the Quran and the commandments in the Quran to uphold no other books but the BEST HADITH, the Glorious Quran. Ahmed Dedat wrote a whole book about the mathematical miracle (still available from Amazon.com) before succumbing to his idol-worship of Bukhary, Moslem, Abu Daoud...etc. Mr Deedat could not do with the Quran alone , so he joined the others in attacking Dr. Khalifa. This did not make the miracle go away. It was a test for all these hypocrites. God called Moses' miracle " a clear proof", but Pharaoh and his elite scholars could not appreciate it or see it, they did not deserve it and so did many Muslim scholars and their blind followers with the mathematical miracle of the Quran. See our files at; http://www.submission.org/miracle/ <<theory of numbers and the math miracle does not even work unless he removes two verses from the Quran. >> Big lie. It works perfectly irrespective of these two verses. The proof provided by the mathematical miracle of the Quran about the nature of these two verses should not be confused with the rest of the miracle that involves all the suras of the Quran. See our file at. http://www.submission.org/math-ap1.html These two verses 9:128-129 have been known for 1400 years by all the Muslim scholars, before Dr. Khalifa was born, to be suspicious. The Mathematical miracle only provided over 70 proofs that these suspicious verses as suspected were additions never belonged to the Quran. See our file at; http://www.submission.org/tampering.html <<... Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in another part?>> These two verses were never part of the Quran. Read your Islamic history and check your Quran where these two verses are marked different in all the Qurans. They are called Meccan verses and claimed to be the last to be revealed, a historical impossibility. See our file for details, http://www.submission.org/tampering.html It is you who reject the commandments in the Quran to follow no other Hadiths but the BEST Hadith, the Quran. See 7:185, 10:36, 31:6, 39:23, 45:6, 52:34, 68:44, 77:50, 39:29...etc. << Khalifa also made a stupid mistake of predicting the end of the world >. It is no stupid prediction if you understand your Quran, it is stated in the Quran and he was destined to be the one to point it out. "(God is) the Knower of the future; He does not permit anyone to unveil such knowledge. ONLY through the messengers that He chooses does He reveal future and past events." [ 72:27 ] Read the Quranic proof of the end of the world before making non-sense statements at; http://www.submission.org/end.html << DESPITE the fact that the Holy Quran says: They ask you about the (last) hour, when will be its taking place? Say: The knowledge of it is only with my Lord; none but He shall manifest it at its time;>> He did manifest it, you are refusing His manifestation. It is your problem. Do you want to tell God how, where and whom to choose to manifest it ??!! See our file at; http://www.submission.org/end.html Verse 15 of Sura 20 informs us that the end of the world will be revealed by God before the end of the world: "The Hour (End of the World) is surely coming, I will keep it almost hidden. For each soul must be paid for its works." 20:15 <<....it will be momentous in the heavens and the earth; it will not come on you but of a sudden. They ask you as if you were solicitous about it. Say: Its knowledge is only with Allah, but most people do not know.(7:187) >> It will be sudden for those who do not believe the Quran, like you. Muhammed was not destined to know it. << Last but not least, your cult rejects the Sunnah but did you know that the problems this presents are overwhelming, because you have effectively destroyed your ability to perform: Salaat (obligatory prayers), the second pillar,of Islam Zakat (obligatory tax), the third pillar of slam Sawm (fasting), the fourth pillar of Islam Hajj (pilgrimage), the fifth pillar of Islam >> Wrong again. You do not even know your own Islam. You do not even know that all these rituals were given to Abraham . Muhammed told in the Quran to follow the steps of Abraham, the father of Islam. The books of Hadith and Sunna do not teach you these rituals but rather corrupt them because they were written agianst the will of the prophet Muhammed and filled with lies that contradict the Quran, other hadiths and common sense. http://www.submission.org/islam/founded.html http://www.submission.org/salat-where.html http://www.submission.org/hadith/ << Narrated AbuRafi': The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Let me not find one of you reclining on his couch when he hears something regarding me which I have commanded or forbidden [i.e. from the Sunnah -ed.] and saying: 'We do not know. What we found in Allah's Book [i.e. the Qur'an] we have followed.'" Book 40, Number 4588 of Sunan Abu-Dawud >> More lies that contradict the Quran. Quran teaches that Muhammed did not know the future. Who do you believe God or Abu Daoud ? http://www.submission.org/future.html [46:9] Say (O Muhammed), "I am not different from other messengers. I have no idea what will happen to me or to you. I only follow what is revealed to me. I am no more than a profound warner." [7:188 ] Say (O Muhammed), "I have no power to benefit myself, or harm myself. Only what God wills happen to me. If I KNEW THE FUTURE, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me. I am no more than a warner, and a bearer of good news for those who believe." [6:50] Say (O Muhammed), "I do not say to you that I possess the treasures of GOD. Nor do I know the future. Nor do I say to you that I am an angel. I simply follow what is revealed to me." Say, "Is the blind the same as the seer? Do you not reflect?" ..........................................
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| | Unrecorded Date DId AHMED E-MAIL YOU TO HELP HIM?... Abdi(Gaal) may be you thought since AHMED failed to convince us HIS NEW PROPHET RASHAD, you could be of some help?. Well, Welcome to the party and the misery that has befallen on your cursed RASHAD AND YOUR AHMED will befall upon you. You said"Did mohammed know the FUTURE". Yes he knew what ALLAH HAS TOLD HIM ABOUT THE FUTURE. No wonder you TAKE from the quran what suites your satanic VIEWS and YOUR CULT. Mohammed is the one that talked A LOT OF THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN through information given to him by god. But then again if you think by posting submitter websites AND THEIR SATANIC CULT will make muslims follow your RICHARD THE COPTIC, YOU ARE DREAMING. We follow the verses of god and his propeht's correct words and nothing else and SAKIIN LAQ. And we say to you this Mr.Submitter: 1. It was among the duties of all messengers to make the message clear The Qur'an 14:4, {And We have never sent a messenger except with the tongue of his people that he might make clear to them.} 2. Allah Most High taught His Messenger and explained the Qur'an to him The Qur'an 75:16-19, {Move not your tounge with it to hasten it. Surely it is upon Us to gather it and to recite it. So, when We recite it, follow its recitation. Then surely it is upon Us to make it clear.} The Qur'an 4:113, {And He has sent down upon you the Book and the wisdom, and has taught you what you did not know before.} 3. Among the duties of the Messenger of Allah is to teach the Book and the wisdom The Qur'an 16:44, {And We have sent down unto you the revelations (al-Dhikr) that you might make clear to humankind that which has been sent down to them.} The Qur'an 62:2, {He it is who has sent among the unlettered ones a messenger of their own; to recite unto them His ayah-s (verses), and to purify them, and to teach them the Book and the wisdom.} 4. Allah has inspired His Messenger the wisdom The Qur'an 4:113, {And He has sent down upon you the Book and the wisdom, and has taught you what you did not know before.} The Qur'an 33:34, {And mention that which is recited in your houses of the ayah-s of Allah and the wisdom.} The Qur'an 53:1-4, {By the star when it goes down, your companion is neither astray nor being misled, nor does he speak of desire, it is naught except an inspiration (wahy) that is inspired.} 5. Allah has guided and protected His Messenger from any error The Qur'an 42:52-53, {. . . and surely you guide unto a straight path. The path of Allah . . .} The Qur'an 68:4, {And surely you are upon a mighty morality.} The Qur'an 53:1-4, {By the star when it goes down, your companion is neither astray nor being misled, nor does he speak of desire, it is naught except an inspiration that is inspired.} The Qur'an 4:80, {Whoever obeys the Messenger, he thereby surely has obeyed Allah. . .} 6. Allah has commanded us to submit fully to the authority of His Messenger and to obey him The Qur'an 4:65, {But nay, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you the judge of what is in dispute between them, then they shall find in themselves no dislike of that which you have decreed, and submit in full submission.} The Qur'an 33:36, {It is not for a believing man nor a believing women, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in their affair; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has surely gone astray in manifest error.} The Qur'an 4:59, {O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if you have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and His Messenger if you believe in Allah and the Last Day; that is best and more suitable to the end.} The Qur'an 3:32, {Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger. But if they turn away, surely Allah does not love the disbelievers.} The Qur'an 4:80, {Whoever obeys the Messenger, he thereby surely has obeyed Allah, and whoever turns away--We have not send you as a watcher over them.} 7. Allah has commanded us to take His Messenger as the perfect example and to follow him The Qur'an 3:31-32, {Say: If you love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger. But if they turn away, surely Allah does not love the disbelievers.} The Qur'an 33:21, {Verily in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example for whoever hopes for Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much.} 8. Allah has promised good reward for those who obey and follow His Messenger The Qur'an 4:69, {Whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger--they are with those whom Allah has shown favor, of the prophets, the truthful, the martyrs and the rigthous; and the best of company are they!} 9. Allah has promised punishment for those who disobey His Messenger The Qur'an 24:63, {. . . So let those who go against his (the Prophet) command beware, lest a trial befall them, or there befall them a painful chastisement.} The Qur'an 4:115, {And whoever opposes the Messenger after the guidance has been manifested unto him, and follows other than the believers' way, We appoint for him that unto which he has turned, and expose him him unto hell--a hapless journey's end!} The Qur'an 72:23, {. . . And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, surely his is hell-fire, wherin such dwell forever.} 10. Allah has promised to guard His religion, Islam The Qur'an 15:9, {Surely it is We who have sent down the revelations al-Dhikr), and We surely are its Guardian.} The Qur'an 5:3, {. . . Today I have perfected your religion for you, and have completed My favor upon you, and have approved for you Islam as religion. . .} The Qur'an 3:19, {Verily, the religion with Allah is Islam. . .} The Qur'an 3:85, {And whoever seeks other than Islam as religion, it will not be accepted from him; and in the Hereafter, he will be among the losers.} The Qur'an 9:33, 61:9, {He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of the Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, even though the disbelievers are averse.} The Qur'an 48:28, {He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of the Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, and Allah suffices as a Witness.}
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| | Unrecorded Date Brothers and sisters. It is important in Islam that we follow and make our guide the prophet who was the best example. "None of you reclines on his bed, the order comes to him on an affair which I am commanded to do or not to do, he says: 'I do not know, what is found in the Book of Allah, we follow." (Tirmithi). According to another report: "What is found in The Book of Allah as 'Haram' we pronounce it 'haram' (forbidden). Surely, I am given The Qur'an and its example with it.' Yet, according to another report: "What the Messanger of Allah has forbidden, Allah has prohibited it." This true hadith gives positive evidence that the divine law of Islam - As-Shariah - is not mere Qur'an, but Qur'an and Sunnah. Therefore, whoever hold fast to one source for reference to the exclusion of the other, he held fast to none of them, since both complement each other. The Qur'an says "Whoever obeys the Messanger, obeys Allah". Allah says: "No, by your Lord, they do not believe until they submit to your adjudication in all disputes between them then they do not find themselves oppressed with your decisions and they completely submit." (4:65) Again, Allah says: "When a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messanger, it does not behove a believer, man or woman, to have choice in their matter. One who disobeys Allah and His Messanger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path." (33:36) Furthermore, Allah says: "What the Messanger teaches you, take it; and what he forbids you, avoid doing it."(59:7) In connection with this verse, I am marveled by what is corroborated by Ibn Masud (Allah be pleased with him) that is, a woman came to him and told him: "You who says: May Allah's curse be on Al-Namisat [a woman who plucks hers or others eye-brows - to be a thin line - to seek beauty. Such an act is fobidden. It is a mean to change the form of Allah's creation] and Al-Motanamisat [a woman who asks others to do it for her] and those who tatoo." He said: "Yes." She said, "I read the Book of Allah (Al-Qur'an) from its beginning to its end, I did not find what you have said." He told her: "If you have read it, you would have found it. As for your reading what the Messanger teaches you, take it, and what he forbids you, avoid doing it." She said: "Certainly". He said: "I have heard the Messanger of Allah (salaallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) says: "May Allah's curse be on Al-Namisat." (Bukhari & Muslim) Who is more knowledgable IBNU MASCUD OR ABDI OR AHMED OR IN THIS CASE RASHAD THE CHRISTIAN COPT who was paid by the jews to mislead muslims in america?.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Abdi, Hi! First of all I don't blame you trying to protect YOUR Messenger. I blame people who brought it to THIS discussion and did not have the balls to start their own with it. However, the post I posted has nothing to do with Submitters or their beliefs. I'm not a submitter -- nor do I believe in Rashad(sorry...found too many errors in Rashad's path -- but still learning about that!) Yes, I agree with Rashad in many cases -- and those are not somethings i adopted now...but had it on my own -- or things that I could learn from the Qur`an with Rashad's help. I hope you do not think i'm submitter...because of what these people say. So, just wanted to clarify that for you! To Others, I said before and I will say it again; DEAL with what is in front of you -- not what is not. I see that you running in circles and have nothing to contribute but lies and lies and just some more lies. However, it is better for YOU and YOUR soul to deal with what is in front of you -- FROM the Qur`an. Not from any other human being. Oh, and by the way, did you see a post concerning the watchman of the Prophet Muhammad's Mosque...who dreamt about the Prophet -- ask him what he told him. I don't think the prophet told this guy anything -- but i believe deep down inside this man is a muslim man...who is just trapped in an over-whelming world that he doesn't belong. Trust me, I know the feeling! All and All, deal with what is in front of you -- and by God deal with the Qur`an. I'm not quoting another Qur`an -- but that Qur`an YOU and ME believe in together. SO, stop acting like kids! Peace and Love to all Muslims, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date How many times do we have to explain that QURAN tells us to follow MUHAMMAD and no one but mohammed?. Ahmed always says"FOLLOW THE quran" Well, Ahmed himself should follow the quran to get out of this confusion for ALLAH says "Do you order people ALBIRR(piety and righteousness and each act of obidience) and you forget (to practice it) yourselves". As they say charity begins at home and let AHMED follow the quran first. The quran teaches us that the only way to god is MOHAMMED by telling us about this : "And remember when the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say"oh! Would that I have taken a path with the messenger(muhammad)" furqan. what does this verse tell you mr SUBMITTER?. that you will regret by following THE KADDAAB and the self appointed LIER of yours. I am sure you will wail like the man in the QURAN wailed for mercy.. "Ah! woe to me, Would that I had never taken so-and-so a friend" "He led me astray from the reminder after it had come to me. And satan is ever a deserter to man in the hour of need". So your self appointed prophet will surely be denying that he ordered YOU to follow him. As you said "FOLLOW THE QURAN" and not so called "MATHEMATICAL SUPERSTITION" that made him astray in the first place. Why PRAY the same way MUHAMMED TAUGHT TO BE PRAYED if you are trully up for the game? Or you are lying AS USUAL and don't pray LIKE MUSLIMS DO in the first place?. We have your lies and lies not so long ago you responded to CARAWEELO "It is oldies to ask the COMING prophet by name". And then in your last message deny "You believe in rashad". Don't forget we can still copy your admission of his following from the forums. THIS IS THE MAIN POINT OF AHMED---""Verily, they were about to tempt you away from that which we have revealed unto you(O' muhammad), to fabricate something other than it against US, and certainly they would have taken you a friend" al-isra. Ahmed's visits is to shake the believes of the UNEDUCTAED muslims AND sell to them THE TICKET he bought to JAHANNAM by lying about the quran when he said We needed another PROPHET in time when the quran says "And whoever seeks other than Islam as religion, it will not be accepted from him; and in the Hereafter, he will be among the losers"3:85 ISLAM WAS COMPLETE and it MEANT no new PROPHETS except liers like RASHAD and his FOLLOWERS LIKE AHMED. SOOMAALIYEY THIS IS YOUR CLEAR CUT DEAL: "And whoever is blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter, and more astray from the path". al-isra Learn your religion well so that you can be safe from the malice and lies aimed at the QURAN and MUHAMMAD.
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed says “I see that you running in circles and have nothing to contribute but lies and lies and just some more lies.” Well, if Ahmed HAD something of his OWN to “contribute”, he would not have lied about him saying he follows what is in the QURAN. Ahmed would not have plagiarized and copied—---while concealing----the Rashad Khalifa’s teachings from the submitters page. The fact is that Ahmed is either following the submitters SUNNA of performing the prayers, a sunna that is not based directly on the Qur'an---OR---as Ahmed is trying to distinguish himself from the Rashad Khalifa’s followers---he has his own made up SUNNA of performing the prayers--------since we know that the Quran does not explain the formula of prayers. If you ask Ahmed or Abib and even this Abdi guy, where in the Quran can we find the formula of prayers, they will “run in circles” and say “it is better for YOU and YOUR soul to deal with what is in front of you -- FROM the Qur`an. Not from any other human being.” I don’t blame Abdi either. Like Abib and Ahmed----that is if Abdi dude is a Somali person----he is let to believe that the Quran teaches the Muslims how to perform the PRAYERS.
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| | Unrecorded Date Umar, I think Abdi aka Ahmed. He is frustrated and is looking for support from someone that does not exist. What did Abdi do exactly?. Do as he does In Ahmed personality, copy the submitters and then post another message as Ahmed. This is the funny part, Ahmed goes"However, the post I posted has nothing to do with Submitters or their beliefs. I'm not a submitter --". How soon does Ahmed forget he was caught red handed stealing from the submitters?. In this post itself Ahmed admits he believes the coming of another prophet that is rashad. Ahmed is stupid to think we can be fooled into his chameleon like style, somebody e-mailed me or posting as another person. Ahmed you should not look for support in empty holes but stick to your prophet, will you?.
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| | Unrecorded Date Reply to umar's lies and clarification: We believe Quran is complete and fully detailed, and only God explains the Quran. This is a continuous process and does not begin or end with a particular person or messenger. Whenever God sees fit He uncovers for us, some up to then, hidden information that is already in the Quran. It does not make sense that we be told to study Quran, use your brain etc., yet only His human messengers be given any new understanding or information of Quran. This method of thinking dictates that once the messengers are dead, no new knowledge is possible and any new Quranic information must be prohibited and be considered as disbelief in the messenger! Followers of old Hadith ( narration) do not believe in these basic principles. They do not believe that the Quran is complete and fully detailed as it is asserted by God in the Quran. They believe Muhammad knew all there is to know about Quran (except some scientific facts that he knew but could not tell others because it was not time yet!), and all they have to do is to study what he said and did and they too will understand Quran. They believe they do not need to study Quran, because they'll never know more or better than Muhammad knew and in any case Quran is too complex for them. Of course according to God's system Quran remained closed to them for 1400 years and still remain closed, it is only natural. They do not study it , they do not really believe it, so how could God give them any new information or understanding? Unfortunately , following the death of the messenger of covenant , the same pattern developed and his idolization by some of his "followers" has gotten so out of hand (and much more quickly than idolization of Muhammad by his so called followers) that now some of them even claim that his translation along with Quran is THE BOOK. They no longer believe Quran is complete , they no longer believe Quran is the last book revealed and Muhammad was the last prophet. Others , supposedly enlightened, may not completely accept that , but believe in some form of it; that, for example, his translation is error free and correct and will remain so and nothing in it can be changed, and his understanding was God's understanding etc. It is God's system that He will bring , from time to time , new information to us , explains the Quran to us through sincere believers, uncovers some new part of Quran. One may wonder why a particular information comes at a particular time , but that should not matter and should not matter who brings the information. It is the information, the message that we must study in the light of Quran , using our brain and based on Quran, accept or reject. When Rashad , for example, brought the new information that it is incorrect to utter the so called testimony that " I bear witness that Muhammad is God's messenger..... " we were not told that now this is God's new command that we should no longer say it. If that were the case it would have meant Quran was not complete. We were given the reasons , all already in the Quran, that it is not correct; because the correct testimony is explained to us by God in 3:18 and furthermore , we would be making distinctions amongst God's messengers. All true followers of Quran , when that information reached them, studied it in the light of Quran, verified it, using their brain and acted accordingly, accepted the obvious Quranic fact. Followers of old Hadith rejected and continue to reject and continue to give lies and the usual excuses such as why did all of our scholars not notice this for 1400 years that the word "ashhado" in the original Arabic really means "to see and then testify etc.," ( and so saying it is a lie, because we did not see Muhammad's messengership and of course nobody else did), why did all these scholars not know it, and how can we be 100% sure that this is correct , we do not know Arabic and so we just continue to follow our own messenger and that is enough for us, we could not possibly go wrong by following our own messenger! Now, once again , a new information has come to us , that in the contact prayers we must say : ALLAHO ALKABEER, God is the Greatest, and not ALLAHO AKBAR, God is greater, that we have been saying for 1400 years. Once again we have been given Quranic reasons, direct references to the Quranic verses, reasons already in the Quran and have been in the Quran, except that for whatever reasons God has seen fit to uncover them at this time and once again most of the people who claim they follow Quran alone reject it and for the very same reasons followers of old Hadith rejected discarding the so called testimony: I bear witness etc. 7:180 " To God belong the most beautiful Names, call upon Him therewith and disregard those who distort His Names." The word "ism", name , in original Arabic is primarily a word utilized to denote the substance or the intrinsic attributes of the object under discussion. The word " al husna", means the most goodly, most beautiful , perfect etc., so the combination may be translated as "attributes of perfection, perfect names, most beautiful names etc." Now what are these names, these attributes of perfection that God tells us to call Him with? Obviously and very simply they are the ones that God calls Himself in the Quran ( how could it be any simpler, or more truthful?). Study of Quran shows that there are quite a few of these and almost all of these have the "weight' or rhythms with "fa'eel", which in Arabic indicate intensity of that quality. and consist of 4 letters, Hakeem wise Qadeer powerful Raheem merciful Aleem knower Kabeer great Khabeer aware etc. and of course many more. Now with the addition of the definitive article "Al" and in reference to God they all have the meaning of 'all , the most, the absolute ' of that quality, therefore, Al-Hakeem The Most Wise Al-Qadeer The Omnipotent, the All Powerful Al-Raheem The All Merciful, the Most merciful Al-Aleem The Omniscient, The All Knower, Al-Kabeer The Supreme, the Greatest, the All Great Al-Khabeer The Cognizant, the All Aware. etc.. Now as for "Al-Kabeer", the Supreme, the Greatest, the All Great, God has called Himself " Al Kabeer", The Supreme, the Greatest in 13:9, 22:62, 31:30, 34:23, 35:32 and 40:12. God has not called Himself " Akbar", greater, any where in the Quran. The word "Akbar", greater, is mentioned in the Quran 23 times but every single time it is a comparison and reference to something else. For example, 2:217 says, oppression is greater (in being evil, worse..) than murder, 32:21,says, punishment of hereafter is greater than punishment of this world etc. Yet, now that this information has come they still continue to reject and continue to say "our messenger " is enough for us. Is this not what all rejecters of the truth in previous generations said? Is this not what followers of old Hadith said when they were given new information by Rashad? Those who idolize Rashad think they have better hadith, they think they have good Hadith!, they don't even think it is Hadith, they think it is Hadith only if it is lies attributed to the messenger ! They think if messenger said it it can't be Hadith. They ignore the Quranic fact that we obey the messenger , because he only says ; follow Quran alone. Is this not what Rashad said all his life, did he not give his life for this principle? They say, very proudly, that they have seen Rashad's video and he said "Allaho Akbar", and that is enough for them. They say they have seen him say Allaho Akbar, and that is good enough for them and of course if somebody has not seen the video or has not seen Rashad say it, no problem, he can quote," I heard so and so say that he/ she saw Rashad say Allaho Akbar!! Those who idolize Rashad , as is true of those who idolize Muhammad , have no doubt that Rashad could not have made a mistake in religious matters and so when he said "Allaho Akbar", that is correct and must not to be changed. Then, based on this opinion of theirs, whenever new information comes, they reject it first and then try to justify their rejection. This is what followers of old Hadith did and do. For example, when clear verse of Quran said, that the end of the world is almost hidden (20:15), they did not pay attention to it, they did not try to research how it is almost hidden, may be they can find out the time etc., because they already knew from their Hadith that it IS hidden, so they not only did ignore it but distorted the meaning of it to fit their Hadith and opinions! Here is a summary of what I have heard as to their reasons for rejection of using God's most beautiful names in their prayer. 1. They say if God wanted us to say "Allaho Alkabeer", He would have told his messenger of covenant, he only lived few years ago. Obviously they do not believe that it is God who decides when to send new information, to explain more of Quran, they want an all knowing messenger besides God, they do not want to obey God and the messenger and FOLLOW QURAN ALONE. Could it be that they really mean to say, God SHOULD have told their messenger, rather than somebody else, some other messenger! 2. They claim "Allaho Akbar", is used in the Quran. False ,as explained previously. 3. They say, well "Allaho Akbar", means God is the greatest, so what is wrong with continuing to say that? Firstly according to grammar of the Arabic language this is not correct. Akbar means greater, it is a comparative adjective, when one compares one thing with another, as all the instances that is used in Quran demonstrate. It is true that the same word is used in the superlative form, greatest etc., but according to the rules of Arabic grammar, the definitive article must be added ( Al Akbar) or some other sentence structure be used and it has never been used in reference to God in the Quran. They argue further that well, in the strict sense , it only means God is greater, but people have always understood it in the sense of greater (than any body else, than what you think or you could possibly think etc.). But we know that this line of argument is beside the point. God tells us to use His most beautiful names, names that He uses Himself, true followers of Quran say, we hear and we obey. 4. They say, who is this Dr. Fazeli .... to tell us any thing! He does not even speak Arabic, we don't know Arabic, so how do we know he is 100% correct..........etc. Once again it shows their confusion, because they idolize Rashad , they follow Rashad, no matter what, and not Quran alone. they ignore the Quranic command , to use your brain , study in the light of Quran. They do not accept the fact that we are to obey the messenger and follow Quran ALONE. We do not follow this or that particular person, we study , verify, ascertain and follow the message that is given to us. The reasons are clear, Quranic and easy to verify and straightforward, but objectors will continue to object and make excuses. It is really ironic they call those who say," Allaho Alkabeer", idolizers etc.! whereas in fact their whole argument is based on idolization of Rashad, their essential argument is that Rashad said so , so it is correct, if this is not idolization, I don't know what is! And some of them even refuse to pray behind the person who says Allaho Alkabeer, God is the Supreme! 2:166 Those who were followed will disown those who followed them. they will see the retribution and all ties among them will be severed Rashad will say about these people, as Muhammad will also say, 25:30 ........ My Lord, my people deserted this Quran. ******************************************************* A somewhat related question has come up. Since God tells us to use His most beautiful names, why can't we say, the all Powerful, the Most Merciful etc. in the daily prayers, why do we have to use this particular name relating to His Greatness, the Greatest? I have an explanations , although I am sure there are more. I think the significant reason is the implication of the last two verses in Surah 17. You will note in 17:10 God tells us all attributes of perfection belong to God, He then tells us the tone of the prayers and immediately afterward commands us " and say " all praise belongs to God..." Note the rest of this verse, 17:11 until the last command , last two words is parenthetic, explaining some aspect of God. so: 17:11 And say "All praise be to God ,-- who has never begotten a son......-- and extol His absolute greatness. In other words," Say", applies only to" All praise be to God" which is the first two words of Surah one . So God tells us here to say the first Surah in that tone of voice , not too loud and not too low and then extol His greatness, according to the last two words. Those who know Arabic notice that both of these last two words have common root with the Greatest. It appears then, that God here is telling us even though all perfect names belong to God , here after reciting Surah one, in the daily prayer use that name of God that is associated with greatness and the tone of voice applies to both the Surah one, and the name of God , " Allaho ALkabeer, God is the Greatest", which now we know is the correct name to use. All Praise belongs to God
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| | Unrecorded Date Umar- Before we answer to your question, you must first know the difference between A SALAT and A PRAYER.Salat Is Not Just A Prayer The salat can best be described as he contact prayer (the root word sila means to make contact). Strictly speaking, it is not the same concept of prayer that people in the West understand when they say, "Oh, we pray to God all the time," usually upon learning that Muslims 'pray five times a day.' This is supplication, the act of asking God for whatever needs one has at the moment. Indeed, people who believe in the Creator, including Muslims, do this all the time. But salat is a daily ritual of making regular contact with God, facing a certain direction, using an ancient formula which begins with washing to purify oneself, and includes the specific acts of bowing, kneeling and prostration to symbolize total submission to Him. Biblical Perspective: Washing Both the Old and the New Testaments mention many specific aspects of the contact prayer. For example, the act of washing to purify oneself before facing God in prayer is mentioned in Exodus 30:17-21, 40:3032, Psalm 26:6 and James 4:8, among others. (Moses, Aaron and his sons) washed their hands and feet whenever they entered the Tent of Meeting or approaching the altar, as the Lord commanded Moses... (Exodus 40:32) The New Testament mentions Jesus' symbolic washing of his disciples' feet, whereupon Peter objected and said he wanted Jesus to wash `not just his feet, but his hands and his head as well.' Jesus answered that a person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet; his whole body is clean (John 13:9-10), which brings to mind the Quranic rule on washing. Baptism with water, another practice in Christianity (see for example 1 Peter 3:21) may have something in common with this ancient Jewish practice. The practice of wiping the hands and face with water as one enters a Catholic church today is also worth mentioning. Posture Of Humility In Prayers References to kneeling and prostration to express one's humbleness before the Almighty abound in the Bible, practiced by such notables as Abraham, Moses and Aaron, Joshua, Elijah, Solomon and Jesus (Genesis 17:3, Numbers 20:6, Joshua 5:14, 1 Kings 18:42, 1 Kings 8:54, Matthew 26:36-39, Acts 20:30). Moses and Aaron fell facedown at the Tent of Meeting... (Numbers 20:6) (The people) fell prostrate and cried, he Lord, He is God! The Lord, He is God!....Elijah bent down to the ground and put his face between his knees... (1 Kings 18:39,42) (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed, My Father, ..." (Matthew 26:39) Prostration in prayer is still practiced by some members of the Russian Orthodox Church, and some Catholics still maintain kneeling in prayer. In contrast, Baptists and other Christian denominations have abandoned kneeling, and the Jewish liturgy has eliminated it altogether. The only exception perhaps is the Samaritan Jew, whose prayer is similar to the Muslim's salat, but for the language. Regular Prayer Time And The Qiblah The concepts of regular daily prayer times and the direction (qiblah) faced during prayer still exist in the Bible as well. Acts 10:2 mentions a God-fearing person by the name of Cornelius at the time of Jesus, who prays regularly. In Acts 10:30 he is described performing his usual afternoon prayer. The afternoon prayer, as well as the noon prayer, also are described elsewhere: One day Peter and John (two of Jesus' apostles) were going up to the temple at the time of prayer at three in the afternoon (Acts 3:1). About noon the following day as they are approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray (Acts 10:9) The Old Testament, which is derived from the Jewish Bible, also mentions several interesting facts about salat. In his prayer of dedication of the Temple that he built for God in Jerusalem (see 1 Kings 8:22-53), Solomon stated several times that servants of God, the people of Israel and foreigners, pray toward the city He has chosen (i.e. Jerusalem) and the temple he has built there for God's Name; thus the concept of qiblah. In Daniel 6:10 we read about Daniel, one of the Jewish prophets during the time of exile in Babylon, who used to pray three times a day, facing the direction of Jerusalem. In so doing, he was following the examples of Solomon and his father David. The Psalms give a clear example of the three daily prayer times practiced by David: Listen to my prayer, O God....... As for me, I call upon God, and the Lord saves me. Evening, morning and noon, I cry out in distress and He hears my voice... (Psalms 55:1,16-17) The above list of Biblical verses is certainly not exhaustive, yet it is astonishingly clear that the act of salat still exists both in the Jewish and the Christian scriptures. From this perspective, it is hard to imagine people from Judeo-Christian backgrounds who do not view the Muslim's practice of salat as their own heritage that has been `lost' over time. A final note on this subject: In her book Muhammad, A Biography of the Prophet, Harper, 1992, pp. 148 and 163, Armstrong mentioned - without quoting sources - that the Arabs during the time of Muhammad also practiced three daily salat prayers similar to the Jews, i.e. morning, noon and evening. In Quran 11:114, three salat prayers are described at oth ends of the day, and at night. However, the Quran also lists all five daily prayer times,
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| | Unrecorded Date If the banner of the submitters--like-Abdi and Ahmed is Quran alone why the double standard of referring to the bible?. Quran alone is not enough for them Is it?. They have to quote the works of St.Paul the fabricator of the bible and the one who saw god with his own eyes THE SAME WAY RASHAD CLAIMED TO HAVE GONE HEAVEN AND TALKED TO GOD AND WAS INTRODUCED TO ALL THE PROPHETS?. This is going to my liking.
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| | Unrecorded Date Well, like Ahmed, Abdi tried to answer the "SALAAT" question, but he failed to address the real question about SALAAT. I didn't ask Abdi and Ahmed what is "a prayer or what "a is salaat". What I asked was the performing of the prayers by Muslims, the formula of prayers. I said to them “If you ask Ahmed or Abib and even this Abdi guy, where in the Quran can we find the formula of prayers, they will “run in circles” Like Ahmed, Abdi is here dancing around the "SALAAT" question and like Ahmed, Abdi is instead pointing out to me what the Jews books say about the prayers. I didn't ask about what the Jews books say about prayers; I asked about what the QURAN say about the prayers.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims, Umar, Hi! Hahahahah! As I said, you guys just LOVE to ignore the facts, don't yah? :) Brother, why jump up and down into things that do NOT concern THIS discussion? IF you want to talk about Salat, you darn well know there ARE discussions OPENED just for them. FORGET Abdi and other discussions here -- can YOU tell me about THIS discussion? Since friday, i got many emails concerning THIS article -- and how it helped many to clarify the differences between prophets and messengers. Abdi IS a submitter -- he follows Rashad. I don't. I believe a Messenger would come after Muhammad -- my whole reason of posting this post was to explain part of a reason why this is so. I made the decision NOT to let YOU deviate me from whichever discussion we're discussing. Do YOU want me to answer Salat questions?...Post them in the Salat discussions. "Salaada" "Salat in the Qur`an" etc etc etc -- which are all salat articles. TRUST me, if you post your questions there -- I will have MUCH to say about it...but NOT in this discussion. Now, could you discuss THIS discussion and stop running to other discussions? Deal with THIS discussion. Salat discussion exists already...IF you have questions. Besides all these, we cannot agree further stuff until we agree on differences between MESSENGERS and PROPHETS. IF you're sincere, i'm here to help YOU clarify/re-learn this. We cant do that -- if you're running off to other discussions and ignoring that. If you just want to defend what you already believe -- this is just the oldie tricks of the nations of the old; "we believe what we inhereted from our fathers" instead of examing and learning...even what the devil might bring. Annonymous, And who might YOU be? hahahhahaha! It's amazing isn't it? Maroodigu takarta saaran ma`arkee kan kale takarta saaran buu arkaa. Or because if u revealed yourself Ahmad wouldn't respond to you? hehehe! As I said, it is always better to BE who YOU are...instead of claiming another identity. Somalinet admin is HERE to distinguish 1 from 2, darling. Count your blessings! ;) Abdi, Brother, gotta ask you -- do you agree with my post? IF so, do you even agree with where i don't agree with Rashad? If you don't agree with my post, can you tell me where you don't agree with? Peace and Love to all Muslims, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date axmad gaaal. waxba haku gaban english waxaad wadaa waa rasuul nabi maxamed s.c.w kadanbeeya baa imaanayaa!!. waxaaba kudhaamay qaadiyaaniinta ayagu caribagayba yaqaanaaan waxay kudoodeen KHAATAMUL ANBIYAA waa fargashigii anabiyada ee ma'ahan kii ugu danbeeyay!!. midkale rasuulnimaa rajo kaahaysaa sida kaamuuqata shaki kuma jiro in aad tahay DAJAAL YAR.
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| | Unrecorded Date The anti stablishment tactic didn't work before. I wonder what is this "I got mail" version of the deal. Messenger and prophet is posted too and ahmed can check if he wants for himself. Unless of course as he does som.soc.culture forums and other forums just post submitter ideas and deny when found. I know very much Ahmed hates the HADITH of the prophet but we follow it and this is what he said about the prophethood behind him""Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others, and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better that those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people." This is clear cut will given to us by the prophet. By the way if AHMED believed in BIDCA he wouldn't even think of praying like submitters do because we learn in the AHADITH -the poison of AHMED- that the prophet said" Anybody who invents into this matter(religion) something that does not belong to it, will be rejected" Plain and simple WE REJECT all calls from anybody to something forwarned by the prophet. He was and is the perfect example of human history and whoever does not believe in so, Submitter is your way. I close my word with saying of god TO HIS BELOVED PROPHET "So if they dispute with you(Muhammad) say: I have submitted myself to ALLAH (in islam) and (so have) those who follow me"Alcimran,20. Aayaddaan bal ha eegto ahmed WE follow the prophet unlike him and don't expect another one unlike him for Islam is complete and the prophethood was sealed. What is there to discuss except ahmed's confusion "
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Allaale, Aayadu ma waxay lee dahay; "khaatimal anbiya" mise "khaatimal nabiyiin"? ;) Mida kale, meeshaan wax *NABI* isku hayaa iska yar; waxaa laysku hayaa "RASUUL"... Aayadaha aan soo xigtey oo dhan waxay lee yihiin "RASUUL" ma dhahayaan "NABI" maxay taas ku dhacday? "Allahu wa malaa`ikitihi, wa kutubihi, wa rusulihi" Alle iyo malaa`igtiisa iyo kutubtiisa iyo rusushiisa. Ma dhahayaan "iyo nabiyadiisa" "wa nabiyihi" -- maxay taas ku dhacday, ninka carabiga daadshow? Ma ii sheegi kartaa??? ;) Runtii, aniga rasuulnimo rajo igama hayso -- maskiin tiisa la bixi la` baan ahay. Xoog aan risaalo dad ku gaarsiiyo ma qabi lahayn. Mida kale, ogow in ka koonar ka koonar ilaahay caalamka u soo diray QUR`AANKA. Marka, sidii sheekadii carabta -- ha aaminin in ilaahay carabiga ka dhigay...wax aysan ahayn. Ilaahay wuxuu KUTUBO badan Qur`aanka ka hor Alle ku soo diray -- HEBREW. Kutubka injiilka waxaa Alle ku soo diray ARMAIC. Wax ma ka taqaan? Weligaase...bal ma fiirisay say yihiin? hahahaa! Eebahaa dusha ma kaa saaray inaad baratid -- is aad u baratid sheekooyinkii iyo wararkii Rusushii Nebiyullahi Muxammad ka horeeyay? Sidaan u jeedo -- Carabtaa berees kugu raacsan, Walaalkiis! Ilaahay hanoo sahlo -- dhamaanteen! --Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed is ignoring that we Muslims follow--- the QURAN + SUNNAH. The correct way of understanding about messengers and prophet is this: Allah chose from mankind prophets and within these prophets messengers. There were no messengers who were not prophets, but there were prophets who were not messengers. in other work, every messenger is a prophet, but every prophet was not a messenger. The first of them was Adam and the last of them and their Seal was Muhammad(Peace be on Him), after whom there shall be no prophet or messenger. ALLAH chose to COMPLETE This RELIGION of ISLAM and its MESSAGE and its MESSENGERS on MUHAMMAD. “This day I have PERFECTED your RELIGION for YOU and have COMPLETED MY favor upon YOU, and have chosen for you ISLAM as RELIGION” 5:3. “O you MESSENGERS! Eat of the good things and work righteous deeds; I’m the Knower of what you do. And verily THIS RELIGION of YOURS is ONE RELIGION and I am YOUR LORD; so fear ME” –Suratul-Muminuun 52 This RELIGION of ALLAH and its MESSAGE and its MESSENGERS was completed on the MESSENGER MUHAMMAD. Islam was PERFECTED and COMPLETED on the MESSENGERHOOD of MUHAMMAD in every little detail and until the end of time and which MANKIND will never be able to add or delete any thing from the MESSAGE OF QURAN and the OFFICE OF MESSENGERHOOD. Thus, Muhammad(Peace be on Him) is the Seal of Prophets and messengers. He delivered the message perspicuously and concealed nothing of that which was revealed to him by the Lord of the Worlds. "And We did not send any messenger before you (O Muhammad) but We revealed to him that there is none who has the right to be worshipped but I (Allah) so worship Me (alone and none else)." 21.25 "He, (Allah) protects them until He sees that they (the messengers) have conveyed the message of their Lord and He surrounds all that which is with them and He keeps account of all things." 72.3 Say: "(0 Muhammad) O Men! I am sent unto you ALL as the MESSENGER of ALLAH." 7.158. Muhammad(Peace be on Him)is sent for both men and jinn. As Ahmed and submitters would like us believe, the Quran does not say that there is another messenger to come after Muhammad. The messenger Muhammad said: " "The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik). We Muslims believe our messenger Muhammad over Rashad Khalifa and his followers, including these trios or these triple AAA’s---Ahmed, Abib and Abdi. Whenever you asked them about the way of prayers, they cite for us the Jews books. Ahmed did this on another forum on Somalinet. Just like they can’t show from the Quran that there will be another messenger to come after Muhammad, they can’t detail step by step their salat and give reference from the Quran ONLY .
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed- Anyone who submits to the Qur'an Alone is one of us. I don't agree everything Dr. Khalifa was said to have done and have wrote either. Do you deny that he could be a messenger? I do not. You agree that messengers will come after Muhammad. That is good. Messengers and prophets were men just like human being. Dr. Khalifa was no exception. Muhammad is the last prophet. Role of the Prophet Muhammad: The Prophet's sole mission was to deliver Quran, the whole Quran, and nothing but Quran (3:20; 5:48-50, 92, 99; 6:19; 13:40; 16:35, 82; 24:54; 29:18; 42:48; 64:12). Delivering the Quran was such a momentous and noble mission that the Prophet did not have any time to do anything else. Moreover, the Prophet was enjoined in the strongest words from issuing any religious teachings besides the Quran (69:38-47). He was even enjoined from explaining the Quran (75:15-19) - God is the only teacher of the Quran (55:1-2) and the Quran is the best Hadith (39:23 & 45:6). Umar- One of the most famous question that many Muslims ask regarding their own religion, is their question, "Where in the Quran do we find details how to perform Salat?" This favorite question of potential believers exposes their ignorance with the Quran as well as proves that their religion is based purely on heresy and conjecture of their parents, scholars or local mullas. There are three implications of the Question above: 1. An implication that challenges God's assertion and a subconscious effort to prove that God is wrong in His repeated assertions that Quran is "Complete", "Perfect" and "Fully Detailed". 2. An implication that Hadith contains the details of Salat and therefore Hadith other than the Quran can be used for religious law. 3- An implication that God is wrong in teaching us in the Quran, that all the rituals of Islam, including Salat were given to Abraham. Those who are knowledgeable of the Quran know that there are two sources for the religion of Islam (Submission in English). 1. The Quran which is COMPLETE, PERFECT and fully details all religious LAW. 2. Religious practices given to Prophet Abraham and passed on to us generation after generation since the time of Abraham. Quran teaches us in no uncertain terms that Abraham is the founder of Islam as it is practiced today. As such, what did Abraham contribute to our daily life as Muslims? Quran teaches us that ALL RELIGIOUS PRACTICES IN ISLAM, (Salat, Zakat, Fasting, & Hajj) came to us from Abraham, generation after generation. Majority of Muslims always ask, how can these practices come to us from Abraham and not from Muhammed. They do not trust that God Almighty can preserve His own religious practices (rituals) to give to us pure, clear and complete. In other words, all religious practices in Islam existed before Muhammed. Muhammed's sole mission was to deliver the Quran. "Your ONLY mission (O Muhammed) is to deliver (Quran), while it is we who will call them to account." 13:40 "You (O Muhammed) have no duty EXCEPT delivering (Quran)." 42:48 "The messenger has no function EXCEPT delivering (Quran)..." 5:99 It is also interesting to know that many of these Muslims who ask the question do not know that, the Hadith and Sunna books do not have enough information about how to perform Salat, the number of Rakaat (units), or what to say in them. The Hadiths and Sunna books are rather full of contradictory statements. NOT a single time, was the prophet Muhammed reported as telling the people; let me tell you how to perform your Salat prayers, or let me tell you the number of Rakaat in the prayers. Had Muhammed willed or was of his duties to teach the community their prayer and the number of Rakaat, he would have done such that, and in the public arena for everyone to witness it. It never happened. Because the Prophet Muhammed and the people before him were given the ways to pray, handed down from Abraham through generations of believers who kept the prayers intact as God promised. God would not have told Muhammed to follow the religion of Abraham if no one knows or practices that religion. Abraham was the founder of Islam (Submission in English) as we practice it today, and the one who called us "Muslims" (Submitters in English). "You shall strive in the cause of God as you should. He has blessed you, and imposed no hardship in your religion; the RELIGION OF YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM, Abraham is the one who named you "Muslims" in the beginning. Thus, the messenger serves as witness among you, just as you serve as a witness among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Salat prayers, give the Zakat charity, and hold fast to God; He is your Lord; the best Lord, and the best supporter." 22:78 "Abraham was neither Jewish , nor Christian; he was a monotheist; a Muslim; he never was an idol-worshiper. The people most worthy of following Abraham are those who follow him and this prophet (Muhammed), and those who believed. God is the Lord of the believers." 3:67-68 "Then we inspired you (O Muhammed) to follow the religion of Abraham, monotheism; never was he an idol-worshiper." 16:123 Logically, if Muhammed was a follower of Abraham, and we are followers of Muhammed, then we are followers of Abraham. What did we and Muhammad learn from Abraham ??? The Quran teaches us that we learned ALL THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES of Islam from Abraham. The whole Arabian society before and during the time of Muhammed had many followers of the religion of Abraham. Thus Abu Lahab, Abu Jahl, and the idolators of Quraish used to observe Salat prayers as we can see in 8:33-35. "...Their SALAT PRAYERS at the shrine were no more than deceit and repulsion. ..." In Sura 73, few weeks after the revelation of the Quran, 73:20 is telling the Muslims to observe the SALAT and Zakat. Does it make sense that God would issue a commandment to observe something not already known.??? "......and observe the SALAT and ZAKAT, and lend God a loan of righteousness. Whatever you advance for your souls, you will find at God better and multiplied manyfold....." 73:20. In 2:128 we see Abraham and Ismail implore God to teach them "THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES OF ISLAM" "As Abraham raised the foundation of Kaaba, together with Ismail, they prayed, 'Our Lord, accept this work from us; You are the Hearer, the Omniscient. Our Lord, and make us Muslims (Submitters) to You and from our descendants let there be a nation of Muslims (Submitters) to you; AND TEACH US HOW TO PRACTICE OUR RELIGIOUS DUTIES, and redeem us; You are the Redeemer, the Merciful'" 2:127-128 The Prophets and Messengers prior to Abraham were not given any religious practices. The human society was so primitive, only BELIEF IN GOD ALONE was all that is required for salvation. See for example Sura 71, entitles "Noah" Thus, religious practices appear in Quran ONLY after ABRAHAM; never before him. "(O Children of Israel) you shall observe the SALAT PRAYERS & ZAKAT charity; you shall bow down with those who bow." 2:125 MORE PROOFS THAT SALAT OBSERVED BEFORE MUHAMMED. "O Mary (Mariam), you shall obey your Lord, and shall prostrate and bow down with those who bow down." 3:43 "(Jesus said) God has made me blessed wherever I go, and He commanded me to observe the SALAT PRAYERS and ZAKAT charity for as long as I live." 19:31 But the Jews and Christians lost the SALAT PRAYERS, changed it and invented their own. "Generations came thereafter who LOST the SALAT prayers, and pursued their lusts." 19:59 If we look in the oldest prayer books for the Jews we can still see their prayers very similar to what the Muslims do today, they bow down and fall prostrate. There are remnant of the SALAT prayers among the Jews, namely the Samaritans, and the Christians (the Russian Orthodox Church). It is noteworthy that the Samaritan Jews have denounced the man-made commandments of Talmud, and decided to adhere to the word of God ALONE, i.e. Torah. (See "The Myth of God Incarnate", page 117) MORE PROOFS: " And we granted him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob as a gift, and we made them righteous. And we appointed them Imams who guide in accordance with our commandments. AND WE TAUGHT THEM RIGHTEOUS WORKS AND THE OBSERVANCE OF SALAT AND ZAKAT.' 21:72-73 Unfortunately, this plain Quranic truth is not accessible by those who keep trying to prove that Quran is not complete. First they have to come to sincere conviction that Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed; they have to believe their Lord. Once they attain this conviction, the shields will be removed from around their hearts, the deafness will be removed from their ears and they will become worthy of the Quranic truth. FASTING CAME TO US VIA ABRAHAM: then modified in the Quran. "You are permitted to have sexual intercourse with your wives during the night of fasting; they are your confidantes, and you are their confidantes. God knew that you used to betray your souls in the past. He has redeemed you, and He has pardoned you. Henceforth, you may have intercourse with them, seeking what God has permitted for you." part of 2:187 "O you who believe, fasting is decreed for you, AS IT WAS DECREED for those before you, that you may attain salvation." 2:183 HAJJ (Pilgrimage) : came to us VIA ABRAHAM: Please note that the same verse also mention the SALAT prayers bowing down and prostrating. "We pointed out to Abraham the location of the shrine, and directed him to worship NONE beside Me, and to purify My shrine for those who would visit it, those who would retreat therein, and those who would BOW DOWN AND PROSTRATE. And you shall declare (O Abraham) that the people shall observe HAJJ. They will then come to you , walking or riding, from the farthest places." 22:26-27 MORE PRAYERS or SAME PRAYERS ?! All Muslims (Submitters) know that God ordered us to do five contact prayers (salat) every day. Traditional sectarian Muslims, call these five prayers, "fard" or obligatory. They believe that there are other prayers (Sunnah) which should also be done for extra credit. However we will illustrate here how the number of prayers, number of units, and even the names of the prayers are mathematically coded. This means that adding prayers disrupts the intricate code that God has created and designed into the contact prayers. Adding extra prayers to what God ordered is like a person taking extra medicine on his own to feel much better than what his/her doctor told him to take, it can kill him instead of helping him. Of course that does not mean that we should not worship to gain extra credit! On the contrary, God tells us exactly what we should do for extra credit. "During the night, you shall meditate for extra credit, that your Lord may raise you to an honorable rank. And say, "My Lord, admit me an honorable admittance, and let me depart an honorable departure, and grant me from You a powerful support." 17:79-80 In this verse and several others, God tells us to meditate on Him and to fall prostrate during the night for extra credit. He does not tell us to do extra Contact prayers (Salat). In fact God tells us : "...the contact prayers (Salat) are decreed for the believers at specific times. " 4:103 The Quran teaches us in many suras that Submission (in Arabic "Islam") is the religion of Abraham (2:135, 3:95, 4:125, 6:161 and 22:78). Muhammad was a follower of Abraham, as we learn from 16:123. All religious practices in Submission (Islam) were given to us through Abraham; they include: (1) the five daily Contact Prayers (Salat), (2) the obligatory charity (Zakat), (3) the fasting during Ramadan, and (4) the Hajj Pilgrimage to Mecca. Specifically, we learn from the Quran (21:73) that the Contact Prayers (Salat) and the obligatory charity (Zakat) were given to Abraham. Numerous verses throughout the Quran inform us that the Contact Prayers were in existence, intact, and practiced before the advent of Muhammad (see for example 8:35 & 9:54). All positions of the Contact Prayers are found in the Quran, including the standing position (3:39, 39:9), the bowing and prostration positions (Rukoo' and Sajood) (2:43, 3:43, 9:112, 22:26,77). The Five Times Are Specified in the Quran (1) The Dawn Prayer is mentioned by name in 24:58. Before sunrise. (2) The Noon Prayer is specified in 17:78. When the sun declines. (3) The Afternoon Prayer is in 2:238. Midway between noon & sunset. (4) The Sunset Prayer is mentioned in 11:114. Immediately after sunset. (5) The Night Prayer is in 11:114, and is mentioned by name in 24:58. The Call to Prayer (Azaan) Azaan is not part of the Contact Prayers, nor is it required. But it has become a tradition in the Muslim communities to summon the people to prayer through a loud announcement. The original Azaan used to conform with the Quran's teachings, but became corrupted with time. Originally, the call to prayer consisted of: (1) Allahu Akbar (God is Great), 4 times. (2) Laa elaaha Ellaa Allah (There is no god beside God), once. Many years later, some people added Muhammad's name to the Azaan. This violates God's commandments in 2:136, 2:285, 3:84, 4:150 and 72:18. Later, other groups of Muslims added the names of Ali and family. Today the Azaan is severely corrupted throughout the Muslim world, and constitutes idol worship, not Submission to God ALONE. The Correct Azaan If you pray by yourself, an Azaan is not needed. The Azaan is usually observed when a group of people are ready to observe the prayer. One person stands up and utters the Azaan words, or chants them as follows: Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar (God is great, God is great). Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar. Laa Elaaha Ella Allah (There is no god besides God). Preparation for the Contact Prayer (The Ablution) O you who believe, in preparation for the Contact Prayer, you shall (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads with wet hands, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. [Quran 5:6] Like all other aspects of Submission, the Muslims have corrupted the ablution by adding unauthorized steps. Ironically, the innovations became vested with such authority that anyone who questions them finds himself accused of innovation!! It is therefore crucial to uphold God's commands by strictly observing the ablution decreed in the Quran. Any additional steps represent another god besides God. The Major Ablution Following any sexual activity that results in a climax (orgasm/ejaculation), one must bath or take a shower (4:43). The Dry Ablution (Tayammum) If water is not available, one must touch clean dry soil, then wipe his hands and face. This suffices as a substitute for ablution (4:43, 5:6). What Nullifies Ablution Digestive excretions through the intestines, including gas, solids, or urine nullify ablution. Sleeping also nullifies ablution, since one becomes unaware. Thus one may observe a number of Contact Prayers with one ablution, provided he or she does not go to the bathroom, pass gas, or fall asleep. HOW TO PERFORM THE CONTACT PRAYERS 1. Face the direction of Mecca (Qiblah): This is an organizational point decreed by God in 2:125. God wills that all submitters must face the same direction when they observe the contact prayers. In the U.S.A., the direction is slightly South of East. 2. The Intention In your own language, secretly or audibly, state your intention that you are about to observe the Contact Prayer. Remember to state the time (Dawn, Noon, Afternoon, Sunset, or Night). 3. Raise your hands to the sides of your face: Your thumbs touch your ears, and the palms of your hands face forward. 4. Say "Allahu Akbar". As you raise your hands to the sides of your face, then move them down to your sides in a continuous motion, you say, "Allahu Akbar" (God is Great). This opens up the prayer. You are in contact with your Creator. 5. The Standing Position: You are now standing with you arms resting naturally at your side. Some people place the left hand on the stomach, and the right hand on top of the left hand. Either position is correct - you may place your hands on your stomach while standing, or you may let your arms hang down by your sides. 6. Recite "The Key" (Sura 1) in Arabic: We learn from 2:37 that God gives us the words by which we establish contact with Him. We must utter the specific sounds dictated in "The Key". A translation of "The Key" would be human-made. The Arabic sounds of "The Key" represent a numerical combination that opens the treasure. Like a telephone number, unless a specific numbers are dialed, contact cannot be established. This is all the Arabic you need. Everything else can be said in your language. Reciting "The Key" in Arabic unifies all Submitters of the world, regardless of their languages. [The Key] 1. BISMIL LAAHIR RAHMAANIR RAHEEM. (In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful) 2. AL HUMDU LILLAHI RABBIL `AALAMEEN. (Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe) 3. AR RAHMAANIR RAHEEM. (Most Gracious, Most Merciful) 4. MAALIKI YAWMID DEEN. (Master of the Day of Judgment) 5. EYYAAKA NA`BUDU, WA EYYAAKA NASTA`EEN. (You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help) 6. EHDENAS SIRAATAL MUSTAQEM. (Guide us in the right path) 7. SIRAATAL LAZINA AN`AMTA `ALAYHIM GHAYRIL MAGHDOOBI `ALAYHIM WALADDAALLEN. (the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers) Since "The Key" is recited 17 times a day, it will become easy for you to recite and understand in a few weeks; it will become like your mother tongue. 7. The bowing position (Rukoo) After reciting "The Key" while standing, you bow down into the position of Rukoo`. As shown in the figure, you bow down from the waist, keep the knees straight, and place your hands on your knees. Your eyes look at a point about 2 feet in front of you. As you move from the standing position to the bowing position you say, "Allahu Akbar". While bowing you say "Subhana Rabbiyal Azeem" or "God be glorified". 8 Stand Up: As you stand up from the bowing position to the standing position you say, "Sami`Allahu Liman Hamidah" or "God responds to those who praise Him". You stay in the standing position only a second, then you fall prostrate. As you go from the standing position to the prostration position you say, "Allahu Akbar". 9. The Prostration Position (Sujood): From the standing position you go down on your knees, then place your forehead on the floor about 1-2 feet in front of your knees. During prostration you say, "Subhaana Rabbiyal A`laa" or God be glorified." 10. The Sitting Position. As you sit up from the prostration position, you say, "Allahu Akbar." You remain in the sitting position only for a second, then you go down for the second prostration. As you go down for the second prostration you say, "Allahu Akbar." During the second prostration you say, "Subhaana Rabbiyal A`laa" or "God be glorified." Once you complete the second prostration, you have completed one full unit (Rak`ah). 11. Stand up for the second unity (Rak`ah). As you stand up you say, "Allahu Akbar." The Dawn Prayer This Contact Prayer consists of 2 units. Repeat steps 5 through 11. Thus, when you get from the second prostration you say, "Allahu Akbar," and assume the sitting position. While in the sitting position you pronounce the First Pillar of Submission, the shahhaadah: Ash-Hadu Allaa Elaaha Ellaa Allah, Wahdahu Laa Shareeka Lah. (I bear witness that there is no other god beside God. He ALONE is God; He has no partner). Look to the right and say, "Assalaamu Alaikum," then to the left and say the same. This completes the Dawn Prayer. The Noon Prayer This prayer consists of 4 units. Thus, you do the first two units exactly as explained for the Dawn Prayer up to the sitting position. You pronounce the First Pillar (known as "Shahaadah") then you stand up for the third unit. You do not utter the Salaams (Assalamu Alaikum). As you stand up for the third unit you say, "Allahu Akbar." The third and fourth units are identical to the first two units. When you get up from the second prostration of the fourth unit, you say "Allahu Akbar" and you assume the sitting position. In the sitting position you pronounce the Shahaahah, and you say the Salaams on both sides. This concludes the Noon Prayer. The Afternoon Prayer This prayer is identical to the Noon Prayer. Only the "Intention" of course is different. The Sunset Prayer This prayer consists of three units. Thus, when you complete the second prostration of the third unit you do not stand up; you assume the sitting position, recite the Shahaadah, then you utter the Salaams on both sides. This concludes the Sunset Prayer. The Night Prayer This prayer is identical with the other 4-unit prayers, the Noon and the Afternoon Prayers. The Contact Prayers and The Quran's Mathematical Code As noted above, the Dawn, Noon, Afternoon, Sunset, and the Night Prayers consist of 2, 4, 4, 3, & 4 units, respectively. When we put these 5 numbers next to each other we get 24435, and this number is a multiple of 19 (24434 = 19 x 1286). The common denominator of the Quran's code is 19. This phenomenon confirms that the number of units for each Contact Prayer has been preserved intact, but the sequence 2, 4, 4, 3, and 4 is also confirmed. Your Tone of Voice During the Contact Prayers You shall not be too loud during your Contact Prayers, nor shall you say them secretly; you shall maintain an intermediate tone [17:110]. During a group prayer, only the Imam is audible; everyone else listens. The Group Prayer Two or more people may observe the Contact prayers together. One person leads the group prayer, uttering "The Key" in a loud enough voice to be heard by everyone in the group. Other utterances must be silent. Anyone may join the group late, in the middle of the prayer. He or she must make the same moves as the group. Then, at the end of the prayer, he or she must stand up and make up whatever portion was missed. The Friday Prayer The Firday Congregational Prayer (Salat Al_Jum`ah) is so important, a whole sura is entitled "Friday" and a commandment is decreed in Verse 62:9 to observe this prayer. Every Submitter - man, woman, and child - is commanded by God to observe the Friday Congregational Prayer. The Friday Prayer replaces the Noon Prayer every Friday. Instead of 4 units, the Friday Prayer consists of listening to two sermons delivered by the Imam, and two units of prayer. Each sermon must begin with "Al-Humdu Lillah" (Praise be to God), "Laa elaaha Ellaa Allah" (No other god besides God). Each sermon should last 10-15 minutes and must be delivered in the language of the congregation. At the end of the first sermon, the congregation is asked to repent, "Tooboo Ela Allah." The Imam then sits down for about a minute and makes his repentance together with the congregation, then stands up for the second sermon. The second sermon ends by asking one of the people to say Azaan. The Imam leads the 2-unit prayer. At the end of every Prayer The worshippers may shake hands, hug each other, and /or exchange greetings after completing the prayer. The custom is to say to each other, "Congratulations." This is because the Contact Prayers are a gift from God, that helps us nourish and develop our souls. One should be congratulated upon completing such a blessed accomplishment. For More Information This booklet/web page should be used in conjunction with our audio or video tape in order to practice the correct pronunciation of the Arabic words. The audio/video tape provides the sounds and visual effects that will help you learn the correct pronunciations. http://www.submission.org/salat-how.html
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| | Unrecorded Date Umar- The difference between 'Prophet' and 'Messenger' according to the Quran "The Most Gracious, teacher of the Quran" 55:1-2 With this promise in mind, one has to remember that the teaching of God is the BEST teaching, and the knowledge given by God is the most accurate knowledge. All the teachings or knowledge given by the human beings can be compared to that given by God and only those teachings which agree with the teachings of God can be accepted as truth, irrespective of how many scholars agree or disagree with it. As God promised, those who will not accept the words of God in the Quran will not have access to understanding the Quran. They have shields placed around their hearts and deafness in their ears.6:25, 17:46 and 18:57 "Who is more wicked than one who is reminded of the proofs of His Lord, then disregard them, while unaware of his sin ? Consequently, we place shields on their hearts, to prevent them from understanding (Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, if you invite them to the guidance, they can NEVER EVER be guided." 18:57 One of the issues that always comes up when discussing the Quran is the issue of the definition of the Prophet (Nabi) and the definition of the messenger (Rasoul). As a believer would imagine, NO ONE can define these better than the One who sent them both, the prophets and the messengers. It is interesting to note that the definition of the prophet and messenger is very clear in the Quran. Most of the scholars, and their followers, however, do not accept the definition given by God and instead accept the definition they gave themselves or given in the dictionary by older scholars. Believing in God means to believe Him and accept His teaching and His word. Choosing the scholars or the dictionary over God reflects a disbelief in God and His word (Quran). God called this kind of practice, idol-worship. "They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords; instead of God....." 9:31 God's Definition of PROPHET and MESSENGER (Nabi and Rasoul) In 3:81 God described exactly the function of the Prophet (Nabi) and the function of the Messenger (Rasoul). Both definitions come in the middle of a very important verse that is dealing with the Messenger of the Covenant. For the sincere believer both definitions are clear and well described by the Teacher of the Quran, the Most Gracious. "God took a covenant from the PROPHETS, saying, "I will give you the SCRIPTURE AND WISDOM. Afterwards, a MESSENGER will come to CONFIRM all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you." 3:81 Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall translated 3:81 as follows: "When Allah made (His) covenant with the PROPHETS, (He said): Behold that which I have GIVEN you of the SCRIPTURE AND KNOWLEDGE. And afterward there will come unto you a MESSENGER, CONFIRMING that which ye possess. Ye shall believe in him and ye shall help him. He said: Do ye agree, and will ye take up My burden (which I lay upon you)in this (matter)? They answered: We agree. He said: Then bear witness. I will be a witness with you." Verse 3:81, among many other verses, provides the definitions of "Nabi" (Prophet) and "Rasoul" (Messenger). Thus, "Nabi" is a messenger of God who delivers a new scripture, while "Rasoul" is a messenger commissioned by God to confirm existing scripture; he does not bring a new scripture. According to the Quran, every "Nabi" is a "Rasoul," but not every "Rasoul" is a "Nabi." It is not logical that God will give a scripture to a prophet, then ask him to keep it exclusively for himself, as stated by some Muslim "scholars" (2:42, 146, 159). The Quranic definition of Prophet, and how all the prophets were given Scripture to deliver, is also confirmed in the following verse: "The people used to be one community when God sent THE PROPHETS as bearers of good news, as well as warners. HE SENT DOWN WITH THEM THE SCRIPTURE, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes" 2:213 Those who are not sufficiently familiar with the Quran tend to think that Aaron was a "Nabi" as stated in 19:53, who did not receive a scripture. This claim can only be made by those who do not believe the Quran, since God ascertains in 2:213 that all the prophets were sent with the Scripture. Moreover, the Quran clearly states that the Torah was given specifically "to both Moses and Aaron" (21:48, 37:117). In other terms ALL THE PROPHETS are MESSENGERS, but NOT ALL the MESSENGERS are PROPHETS. MORE PROOFS from the Quran PROPHETHOOD AND SCRIPTURE Whenever God mentions prophethood in the Quran, He mentions scripture and sometimes wisdom. The association of prophethood and scripture cannot be missed except by those blocked by God from seeing the truth. The following are some examples: "Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture and prophethood say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead, (he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone," according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn." 3:79 "Those were the ones to whom we have given the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood. If these people disbelieve, we will substitute others in their place, and the new people will not be disbelievers." 6:89 "We granted him Isaac and Jacob, we assigned to his descendants prophethood and the scriptures, we endowed him with his due recompense in this life, and in the Hereafter he will surely be with the righteous." 29:27 "We have given the Children of Israel the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood, and provided them with good provisions; we bestowed upon them more blessings than any other people." 45:16 "We sent Noah and Abraham, and we granted their descendants prophethood and the scripture. Some of them were guided, while many were wicked." 57:26 MESSENGER PROPHET and not, PROPHET MESSENGER: The first example for messenger prophet comes from 7:157, and 7:158 where God described the Prophet Muhammed as, "the messenger the prophet" and not as "the prophet the messenger," not a coincidence, [God does not have coincidences]. The reason is that not every messenger is a prophet and therefore the word PROPHET is used to further define and clarify the description of that messenger. "follow the messenger, the prophet (gentile prophet) (Muhammed), whom they find written in their Torah and Gospel . . . " 7:157 "..........therefore you shall believe in God and His messenger, the prophet (gentile prophet), who believes in God and His words. Follow him, that you may be guided." 7:158 MOSES, THE MESSENGER PROPHET: In 19:51, Moses was described by God as a messenger prophet (Rasoulan Nabyya), and NOT as a prophet messenger (Nabyyan Rasoula). ISMAIL, THE MESSENGER PROPHET In 19:54, Ismail is described with the same words, 'Rasoulan Nabyyan'. The reason is that, NOT every Rasoul (Messenger) is a Nabi (Prophet), BUT every Prophet (Nabi) is a Messenger (Rasoul), so God defined the word Rasoul by adding to it Nabyya. God does not make mistakes and He does not choose His words haphazard, it is meant to be in this order. OTHER EXAMPLES are found in the Quran to clarify this description: HUMAN BEING MESSENGER: "Am I more than a human messenger (Basharan Rasoula)" 17:93 Notice, " a human messenger" and NOT "a messenger human (Rasoulan Bashara)." The reason is that not every Bashar (human) is a Rasoul (messenger) while every Rasoul (messenger) from among us is a Bashar (human). 17:94, has the same expression again, human messenger (Basharan Rasoula), not (Rasoulan Bashara) ANGEL MESSENGER: " . . . we would have sent to them from the sky an angel messenger (Malakan Rasoula)" 17:95 Notice, "an angle messenger" and NOT "a messenger angel (Rasoulan Malaka). The reason is that not every angel is a messenger but every messenger FROM God's soldiers is an angel. SAINT PROPHET: In 19:41, God described Abraham as "a Siddiqan Nabyya (Saint Prophet)" and NOT as a Nabyyan Siddiqa, (Prophet Saint). The reason is that not every Siddiq (Saint ) is a prophet, while every prophet is a siddiq. If God would say, Abraham was a Nabbyan Siddiqua (prophet saint), this would indicate that not every prophet is a saint while every saint is a prophet. In 19:56, God described the prophet Idris the same way, as a Siddiquan Nabyya (Saint prophet). NO WHERE in the whole Quran does God use these terms different. God never described a prophet as a prophet messenger ( Nabbyan Rasoula), or prophet saint (Nabyyan Siddiqua). 'MESSENGER NOR A PROPHET' : Perhaps one of the strongest indications in the Quran that the words prophet and messenger do not have the same meaning, is found in the following verse: "We did not send before you any MESSENGER NOR A PROPHET, without having the devil interfere in his wishes. GOD then nullifies what the devil has done. GOD perfects His revelations. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise." 22:52 If the words prophet and messenger had the same meaning God would not be saying "MESSENGER NOR A PROPHET" ...... would He ? Had the two words had exactly the same meaning , then mentioning one of them would have been sufficient. --------------------------------------- The Quran is clear that EVERY PROPHET (NABI) IS A MESSENGER (RASOUL) BUT NOT EVERY MESSENGER IS A PROPHET. Now that we have the definition of Prophet (Nabi) and Messenger (Rasoul) by God Almighty Himself, the Teacher of the Quran, NO SCHOLAR's opinion can change that fact. We, however are FREE to side with God or side with the scholars. Generations before you did just that and were described by God in the Quran in 9:31: "They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of God . . . " This kind of idol-worship is leading only to one place, and it is not Heaven" Allahu Akbar.http://www.submission.org/messenger/prophet.html
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| | Unrecorded Date Umar. thanks bro, We have the QURAN + SUNNA and nothing short is acceptable. The ultimate point of AHMED and Abdi is NO SUNNA just make your own and you will be fine.
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| | Unrecorded Date ABUL-ALAA MAWDUDI SAID: "Allah has never published a Book and, having distributed to each individual, told him to study it to ascertain for himself the reality of his own existence and that of the universe. To realize his role in the practical world in the context of this reality. Allah has always appointed the Prophets to convey this message to man, so that the Prophets should not rest content with merely propagating their mandate, but driving it home, demonstrating it in action, recalling to the right path, those who defy the Divine mandates and organizing the believers into a society where every aspect bears practical evidence of this knowledge. It is evident from this brief exposition that, for Guidance, we are wholly dependent upon the character displayed to the world by a Prophet of God(pbuh) A non-Prophet who does not believe in a Prophet is not eligible to be our leader, even though he may be a sage, a deeply learned and wise man. This is because such a person bereft of this knowledge is incapable of devising a true and just system of life for us" In the above clarification by abul-alaa he tells clearly that merely reading the quran will not be sufficient for an individual without having the guidance of the PROPHET WHO WAS ENTRUSTED with the QURAN in the first place. Ahmed AND his freind ABDI want us to ignore the prophet by citing THEIR DAGUT and their PROPHET RASHAD. The funny thing is, Abdi showed up oneday and AHMED his freind who called him in the first place says"You called him" what a comic joke?. They claim Quran is complete, If so why not follow it and go after THE INVENTIONS OF MAN who claims ISLAM was not complete and needed some refurbishing. Yet they know RASHAD was a lier and that is why they go"I am not SUBMITTER" or "SUBMITTERS have many mistakes" supposedly a pure message from a pure messenger.
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| | Unrecorded Date Abdi said: "Those who are knowledgeable of the Quran know that there are two sources for the religion of Islam (Submission in English). 1. The Quran which is COMPLETE, PERFECT and fully details all religious LAW. 2. Religious practices given to Prophet Abraham and passed on to us generation after generation since the time of Abraham." These guys are *CONTRADICTING* AND employing *HYPOCRISY* and they do not even know it. THEIR CONTRADICTION IS THIS: They say the source of ISLAM is QURAN ALONE and that the QURAN is COMPLETE, PERFECT and FULLY DETAILED, yet they also say "there are two sources for the religion of Islam"----QURAN AND IBRAAHIM.!!!! THEIR HYPOCRICY IS THIS: They say they follow the IBRAAHIM'S practice of SALAAT, yet they accuse us of following the MUHAMMAD'S practice of SALAAT---they also accuse us of FOLLOWING what is not in the QURAN, yet they do the same things.!!! All the things they enumerated and listed, from 1 to 11 under---HOW TO PERFORM THE CONTACT PRAYERS---is not even in the QURAN, yet they say they follow the QURAN ALONE which is "Complete", "Perfect" and "Fully Detailed".!!! What a contradiction and hypocrisy these people employ. !!
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, Hi! I do not ignore what you believe -- it is YOU who come in here, remember? HALLOOOO? I do not post anything for YOU(or those who believe similar with you) but for those who NEED another thought -- those who are INTERESTED in the Truth, for God's sake...not to just protect their father's evil deeds. You said: [Allah chose from mankind prophets and within these prophets messengers. There were no messengers who were not prophets, but there were prophets who were not messengers. in other work, every messenger is a prophet, but every prophet was not a messenger. The first of them was Adam and the last of them and their Seal was Muhammad(Peace be on Him), after whom there shall be no prophet or messenger.] THEN, please answer my question -- why do GOD always say; "Allah wa malaaikitihi wa kutubihi wa rusulihi" INSTEAD of "WA NABIYIHI"??? Why, are we only suppose to believe in those *Messengers* who were messengers -- and not those who just prophets(like aaron)??? WHY did God not say anywhere in the Qur`an "WA NABIYIHI"??????? Please, answer this -- if you can! You said; [ALLAH chose to COMPLETE This RELIGION of ISLAM and its MESSAGE and its MESSENGERS on MUHAMMAD.] This religion WAS and IS complete from day 1 to this day. For the people of Noah, their religion was COMPLETE -- and for the people of Moses, their religion was COMPLETE -- and for us, our religion is complete. Why, are you one of them who think THIS religion began with Muhammad??? GIMME A BREAK! God only stopped sending more rules or changing more -- the religion is complete. MEN only deviate from IT -- and that is the point of continuation of Message. God tells Muslims in the Qur`an -- that if they don't hold up the true path -- he'd change their place with another people -- so much for your "complete" theory. It is ALWAYS complete -- however, sending messengers or more people...has NOTHING to do with the message and has everything to do with the fact that they deviate from it. You qouted verses, lets see; [“This day I have PERFECTED your RELIGION for YOU and have COMPLETED MY favor upon YOU, and have chosen for you ISLAM as RELIGION” 5:3. “O you MESSENGERS! Eat of the good things and work righteous deeds; I’m the Knower of what you do. And verily THIS RELIGION of YOURS is ONE RELIGION and I am YOUR LORD; so fear ME” –Suratul-Muminuun 52] MIS-quoting the Qur`an for the purpose of mischiefing is a GROSS sin, Umar. LETS put up the whole verse and see what it talks about; [3. Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: Yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islám as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.] God is talking to the Muslims of the early and X-tians and Jews. For Muslims, they lived by the practices of the arabian pagans...and DID NOT know what was lawful for them or not -- nor did the prophet know what was lawful for them or not. And, jews and x-tians were astrayed from the right course and were told them that things were lawful to them that were NOT lawful to them. SO, God has perfected for them the life and religion by setting them the RIGHT course. It has nothing to do with the message but has to do with the perfection -- notice how God says; "I CHOSE FOR YOU ISLAM AS A RELIGION" why would God say that, now? WHY? This is because ISLAM is the right course which they didnt have -- does that has anything to do with the message itself? I need a break! And you're a LIAR when you put two verses together and make them ONE Verses. Suratul Mu`minun's verse that you quoted is TWO verses. lets see; [50. And We made the son of Mary and his mother as a Sign: We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security and furnished with springs. 51. O ye messengers! Enjoy (all) things good and pure, and work righteousness: for I am well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. 52. And verily this Ummah of yours is a single Ummah, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore fear Me (and no other). 53. But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: each party rejoices in that which is with itself. 54. But leave them in their confused ignorance for a time. SURATUL AL-MU`MINUN!] THIS proves more of MY point, also -- that the religion of the MESSENGER was just one nation; ISLAM. Not incomplete world of differences, as you said. ALSO, these verses tell us that the CURRENT Muslims cannot be the right one -- since they're ALL in different paths with names other than "ISLAM"...but sunni, shia, suffi, wahabia, qardaniya, yada yada yada yada. ALSO, the verse you quoted PROOF more of my point. NOTICE, God did NOT say; "O PROPHETS" but said "O MESSENGERS!!!" why -- are not *non-messenger-prophets* not those whom God want to eat of nice things, Umar????? GIVE me, a break! You went ahead and said; [This RELIGION of ALLAH and its MESSAGE and its MESSENGERS was completed on the MESSENGER MUHAMMAD. Islam was PERFECTED and COMPLETED on the MESSENGERHOOD of MUHAMMAD in every little detail and until the end of time and which MANKIND will never be able to add or delete any thing from the MESSAGE OF QURAN and the OFFICE OF MESSENGERHOOD.] THIS is YOUR sayings...not of God -- and God's wrath is upon those who attribute LIES to him. Quote the Quran anywhere where this statement is made, if you're truthful. People have added and deleted things from the Qur`an, Umar. HALLOOO??? There are people who have extra suras...and people who neglected VERSES. This is because the human being's copy has nothing to do with the Qur`an -- the Qur`an is heavenly preserved book that NOTHING can go into. The edition that you and I know -- is just one part of 100 different ones. What gives you the proof that the one you and I have is the right one? Don't claim things you have no knowledge of. Somebody created a quran like the quran -- does that mean they did it? Mankind cannot imitate the Qur`an for a reason -- Rashad khalifa said it was the math -- and i don't know if that is IT. No messengerhood office is NEVER claimed by God -- but PROPHETIC office was sealed with Muhammad. Re-read the Qur`an with an open heart and a sincere intention...if you're one who Believe. You said; [As Ahmed and submitters would like us believe, the Quran does not say that there is another messenger to come after Muhammad. The messenger Muhammad said: " "The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik). We Muslims believe our messenger Muhammad over Rashad Khalifa and his followers, including these trios or these triple AAA’s---Ahmed, Abib and Abdi.] NO, this was said for the Prophet by our fathers of yore -- and TRULY, i'm ONE who is NOT defending them. FROM the Qur`an -- I have THIS; [Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." 3.81] AND later -- God tells me that Muhammad was one of them; [33:7. And remember We took from the Prophets their Covenant: As from you: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant.] ...and i'm not protecting my own fathers' evil of not bringing this out to us. ...and don't yah forget -- I WILL NOT forgive you for making me another *follower* of Rashad. AND, remember -- God is enough powerful for lies against his people...and those who INTENTIONALLY conjecture things, even his own words, to corrupt. ALSO, I see, as always, you have trouble understanding WHAT people tell you; NOBODY has Abraham as a source. God given the practices to HIM -- it is in the Qur`an, for God's sakes. God asks MUHAMMAD to FOLLOW Abraham, Umar. There is NO such thing as "Muhammad salat" or "EBRAAHIIM salat" this is YOUR conception. Abraham was asked to DO the practices -- Muhammad was asked to FOLLOW Abraham. Don't forget that it was MUHAMMAD who corrected the Salat -- with the Qur`an. This doesn't mean the salat is Muahmmad's or Abraham's -- but it is God who given/corrected throught them. Hallooo?? How do you understand things? ALSO, Umar, you're missing that GOD did NOT repeat anything that was done correctly. HALLOOO??? Everything that repeated in the Qur`an are things that were CORRUPTED before the Qur`an. - The times of salat were corrupted, God corrected them in the Qur`an. - The dietry laws were corrupted, God corrected them in the Qur`an. - The Hajj was corrupted, God coreected it in the Qur`an. - The concept of GOD was corrupted, God corrected it in the Qur`an. - The Books of God were corrupted, GOd corrected them in the Qur`an. ...and many more. SIMILAR, today, all of these were re-CORRUPTED. God asks MUSLIMS to ONLY call his name in the Mosques...what happened? Ali, Muhammad, Abraham, A/Wahab, Faatimah-Zahrah, etc -- are regularly called in the prayers. God asks MUSLIMS to PAY Zakkat every time we get income, yet Muslims pay it ONLY once a year. They can have income all year long...and use the money at the end and they won't have to pay it(how similar to those who did the fish on sabath, huh?) God asks MUSLIMS to MAKE hajj to HIM only, yet Muslims make hajj to the prophet's tomb, too. NO muslim feels his hajj is complete until he visits the tomb of the prophet. HOW despicable. ...and you think no messenger is needed? What an sleeping world you live in! Abdi, Please, you see me repeating over and over...that I do BELIEVE the coming of another messenger after Muhammad -- and that I do not deny/accept Rashad as a messenger, yet -- because i'm still in the process of educating myself about him/his path. Qur`an alone is not just my belief...but the believe of the BELIEVERS. AT least, the real believers. Abdi, make no mistake -- I agree with the *Submitters* as much as I agree with the Sunnis. I still have much of sunni practices which I find to be true islamic practices -- similar, i have adopted practices from submitters which i find to be true practices of islam. So, please, don't be so quick to make me one of you...and i do not mean to say this to offend you -- but i don't want to set your heart in a false claim and only later to see it differently. I have seen people who got hurt because they concieved me *one of them* -- when it was just what THEY saw...and not what I said. So, i'm careful to not repeat the days. hahah! And, yes, I understand that the deliverance of the Qur`an being so big...that one would be so busy to find to *say* anything else, religiously. Qur`an tells us that the Prophet and His followers sat around waiting for answer from GOD -- wouldn't the *divine* messenger then give them an answer? Do you see how some Muslims are truly corrupted? Peace and Love to all Muslims, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date to all muslims, BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'AHMED'KADAAB AND FRIENDS STRIKE AGAIN. IN 20-02-2000.THEY WERE SEEN RIGHT AT THIS SPOT SPREADING THEIR 'BIG' LIES. BUT NOW ANOTHER PHENOMENON IS DEVOLPING WHERE AHMED IS FORCED TO DEFEND HIMSELF NOT TO BE ONE OF THE CULT OF KADAABIIN. 'AHMED' KADAAB WANTED TO STAY UNDERGROUND AND KEEP SPREADING LIES ABOUT OUR PROPHET BUT HIS KADAABIIN FRIENDS COULD'NT HAVE ANY PATIENT WITH HIM. HE SAYS HE IS NIETHER SUNI NOR SUBMITTER,WHAT IS HE THEN? 'AHMED' KADAAB AND BIG VERY BIG HYPOCRIET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ] INSHA ALLAH WE WIL KEEP YOU UPDATED IN THIS DEVOLOPING STORY.
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said to me "Hi! I do not ignore what you believe -- it is YOU who come in here, remember? HALLOOOO? I do not post anything for YOU(or those who believe similar with you)..but for those who NEED another thought -- those who are INTERESTED in the Truth, for God's sake... not to just protect their father's evil deeds." Ahmed and those who believe similar with him(the submitters) are so arrogant in their ways that they think the SOMALIS who come here NEED another messenger after Muhammad(saw) and Ahmed with the submitters think that they are working for Allah by lying and misleading other people. !! Those who lie and mislead others work only for the DEVIL, himself---SATAN, not Allah. Ahmed said he has been receiving email messages lately from Somalis who agree with him after they read what he wrote on here! Have any body seen any Somali person who agrees with this Ahmed dude, other than the submitters? Ahmed said "You said: [Allah chose from mankind prophets and within these prophets messengers. There were no messengers who were not prophets, but there were prophets who were not messengers. in other work, every messenger is a prophet, but every prophet was not a messenger. The first of them was Adam and the last of them and their Seal was Muhammad(Peace be on Him), after whom there shall be no prophet or messenger.] THEN, please answer my question -- why do GOD always say; "Allah wa malaaikitihi wa kutubihi wa rusulihi" INSTEAD of "WA NABIYIHI"??? Why, are we only suppose to believe in those *Messengers* who were messengers -- and not those who just prophets(like aaron)??? WHY did God not say anywhere in the Qur`an "WA NABIYIHI"??????? Please, answer this -- if you can! " Does this "Allah wa malaaikitihi wa kutubihi wa rusulihi" mean that there will be another messenger after Muhammad? !!! Ahmed said "You said; [ALLAH chose to COMPLETE This RELIGION of ISLAM and its MESSAGE and its MESSENGERS on MUHAMMAD.] This religion WAS and IS complete from day 1 to this day. For the people of Noah, their religion was COMPLETE -- and for the people of Moses, their religion was COMPLETE -- and for us, our religion is complete. Why, are you one of them who think THIS religion began with Muhammad??? " Well, we Muslims believe that the RELIGION of ISLAM is now COMPLETE for us---which means we believe ALL messengers and all prophets of Allah--the first of them being Adam and the last of them being Muhammad(Peace be on Him) Thus, after Muhammad there shall be no prophet nor messenger. This also means that there will be no other UMMAH after this UMMAH of MUHAMMAD and unlike other UMMAH, this UMMAH will CONTINUE to have ONE MESSENGER(MUHAMMAD) This also means THE RELIGION OF ISLAM IS COMPLETE WITH ALLAH’S LAST BOOK or MESSAGE(the QURAN) AND ALLAH’S LAST MESSENGER(MUHAMMAD). In other word, there will be NO MORE MESSAGE AND MESSENGER NOR PROPHET AFTER MUHAMMAD. No matter how far some MUSLIMS and NON-MUSLIMS may “deviate” from the MESSAGE of QURAN THAT WAS GIVEN TO MESSENGER MUHAMMAD, there will not be any more CONTINUES MESSAGE after the MESSAGE GIVEN TO MUHAMMAD AS A MESSENGER. MUSLIMS AND NON-MUSLIMS can call themselves submitter, sunni, shia, suffi, wahabia, qardaniya, christians, jews, buddhist , bindus yada yada yada yada AND people can try to add or take some verses from the MESSAGE of ALLAH TO MUHAMMAD(QURAN)----but still there will be NO MESSENGER NOR ANOTHER MESSAGE AFTER MUHAMMAD. Ahmed said "What gives you the proof that the one(QURAN) you and I have is the right one?" Unlike Ahmed, I believe the QURAN I have can’t be corrupted. The one I have is the “right” one in its 114 verses. Unlike Ahmed, I have no doubt about this. Ahmed said "You said; [As Ahmed and submitters would like us believe, the Quran does not say that there is another messenger to come after Muhammad. The messenger Muhammad said: " "The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik). We Muslims believe our messenger Muhammad over Rashad Khalifa and his followers, including these trios or these triple AAA’s---Ahmed, Abib and Abdi.] NO, this was said for the Prophet by our fathers of yore -- and TRULY, i'm ONE who is NOT defending them. FROM the Qur`an -- I have THIS; [Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." 3.81] The submitters and Ahmed say that this verse tell us that there will be another messenger after MUHAMMAD.!!! Again, we Muslims trust not Ahmed and the submitters---"follows" of Rashad KADAAB, because that verse does not say what the submitters and Ahmed want us to believe, but our last messenger said "The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik). Ahmad said "AND later -- God tells me that Muhammad was one of them; [33:7. And remember We took from the Prophets their Covenant: As from you: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant.] Also, this verse does not say that there will be another messenger after our last messenger Muhammad who said “"The chain of MESSENGERS and PROPHETS has come to an end. There shall be no MESSENGER nor PROPHET after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik). Ahmed said "...and don't yah forget -- I WILL NOT forgive you for making me another *follower* of Rashad. I know Ahmed copied and plagirzied from the “followers” of Rashad KADAAB’s home page to this forum without saying anything about it and while claiming these thoughts were Ahmed’s until Bashir EXPOSED Ahmed’s lies and hypocrisy.
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| | Unrecorded Date TO ALL MOSLIMS, IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE AHMED'KADAAB & FREINDS GOT THEIR IDEA OF " PROPHET AND NABI" AND HOW IT FITS THEIR IDEA OF RASHAD KADAAB BEING A PROPHET, VISIT THE SITE OF THE SECT 'AHMADIYA'. WWW.AHMADIYA.COM/TRUE-ISLAM/PROPHETHOOD.HTLM YOU WILL FIND THAT THE SIMILARITIES ARE STRIKING! IF YOU ALSO LOOK THE IDEA OF THE SHI'ITE YOU WILL THEY ALSO HAVE SIMILAR THOUGHTS.SOME OF THE SIMILARITIES: SHII'A, AHMADIYA, AND THE RASHAD SECTS ARE: THEY ALL DENY THE AHADITS OF OUR PROPHET. THEY ALL SAY THAT 'THEY BELIEVE' A PORTION OF THE QUR'AN IS MISSING OR EXCESSIVE. THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN PROPHET OR PROPHETS. THEY ALL CONCEAL THEIR IDENTITY WHEN CONFRONTED. all they want is to get closer to the x-tians and the jews to get respect from them. woe to them!
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| | Unrecorded Date While defending his follow submitter's ideas, Ahmed said this to me "ALSO, I see, as always, you have trouble understanding WHAT people tell you; NOBODY has Abraham as a source. God given the practices to HIM -- it is in the Qur`an, for God's sakes. God asks MUHAMMAD to FOLLOW Abraham, Umar." Well, this is what Ahmed said I had "trouble with understanding"--which was said to me--"Those who are knowledgeable of the Quran know that there are *TWO SOURCES* OF THE RELIGION OF ISLAM(Submission in English). 1. The *QURAN* which is COMPLETE, PERFECT and fully details all religious LAW. 2. *RELIGIOUS PRACTICES GIVEN TO PROPHET ABRAHAM* and passed on to us generation after generation since the time of Abraham." But FINALLY Ahmed and the Submitters ADMITTED having *TWO SOURCES* in RELIGION(THE QURAN + THE SUNNAH OR THE PRACTICE OF IBRAHIM). Ahmed said to me "There is NO such thing as "Muhammad salat" or "IBRAAHIIM salat" this is YOUR conception." Notice that Ahmed is the one who said "God given the practices to HIM(IBRAAHIM)", the practice of SALAAT. Now what is the real question here? I mean what ARE the *practices* given to the prophets? It *practice* of worship, the sunnah SALAAT--as we call it. Ahmed and submitters say they follow the "practice* given to IBRAAHI--the way IBRAAHIM worshipped, his sunnah-- "passed on to us generation after generation since the time of Abraham"----which by the way, is not in the QURAN.!! I'm talking about the practice---the FORMULA OF PRAYERS, THE SALAAT.!! Ahmed said "Abraham was asked to DO the practices -- Muhammad was asked to FOLLOW Abraham." BUT the *practice* is still a practice found not in the QURAN, the practice of SALAAT. I mean the formula of SALAAT! Ahmed said "Don't forget that it was MUHAMMAD who corrected the Salat -- with the Qur`an." Yes, we Muslims follow MUHAMMAD'S *PRACTICE* of SALAAT and it is the *CORRECT* way to perform the SALAAT-----we knew that already.!! We Muslims have been saying that we have *TWO SOURCES* in RELIGION(THE QURAN + THE SUNNAH OF MUHAMMAD). Ahmed said "This doesn't mean the salat is Muahmmad's or Abraham's --" BUT still it is a *PRACTICE* found NOT in the QURAN.!! Ahmed said "but it is God who given/corrected throught them. Hallooo?? As if we did not know this ALREADY.! Ahmed said "How do you understand things?" I understand that Ahmed and submitters are but HYPOCRITES and LAIRS. I understand that Ahmed and submitters follow and *practice* what is NOT in the QURAN, yet they PREACH following QURAN ALONE.!!!
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| | Unrecorded Date CORRECTION: Ahmed said "What gives you the proof that the one(QURAN) you and I have is the right one?" Unlike Ahmed, I believe the QURAN I have can’t be corrupted. The one I have is the “right” one in its 114 *verses*---MAKE IT--its 114 CHAPTERS or its 114 SURAS. Unlike Ahmed, I have no doubt about this.
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| | Unrecorded Date Thanks brother Omar, jazakalaah kheyr.
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| | Unrecorded Date Wa iyaakum brother Bashir. Ahmed and submitters are NOTHING but HYPOCRITES and LAIRS.
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| | Unrecorded Date Brother Omar. That is understatement and no wonder Ahmed calls the THE PROPHET an evil and Idol that muslims worship by simply FOLLOWING HIM and taking HIM as a guide and a light in a dark world. Brother often we read in the Quran:- "And we have not sent down the book(QURAN) to you,except that YOU MAY EXPLAIN CLEARLY UNTO THEM(people) those things inwhich they differ, and (as) a guidance and a mercy for a folk who believe." 16:64 And Allah tells us in the above exactly that THE Messenger SHOULD explain to people what is revealed to him UNLIKE AHMED'S BELIEVE THAT THE PROPHET'S AHADITH ARE EVIL. The devil beautified FOR AHMED the SUPERSTITION of RASHAD and Allah says :- "By ALLAH, we indeed sent to the nations before you(O' muhammad), but satan made their deeds fair-seeming to them. So he(satan) is their helper today, and theirs will be a painful torment" 16:63 One has to believe the sanctity of the QURAN and IT'S completeness to take advantage of it. Ahmed AND his proxy Name UNDERSTAND NOTHING from the QURAN except their twisted LESSONS THEY INHERITED from THEIR MESSENGER RASHAD the lier. AHMED reminds me of SATAN who is bent on misleading PEOPLE from their lord and the right path he bestowed upon them. For ALLAH says the QURAN IS COMPLETE and AHMED says no THERE IS INFORMATION left and it WILL COME THROUGH ANOTHER MESSENGER. And ALLAH said of people who follow other than MUHAMMED like ahmed and SUBMITTERS that they followed SATAN:- "Among mankind is he who disputes concerning Allah, without knowledge, and follows EVERY REBELLIOUS DEVIL(devoid of each and every kind of good)" 22:3 Allahu akbar, BAL AHMED SUBMITTOOW aannu aragno adiga iyo taaguutkaaga iyo innaga iyo RASUULKEENNA ninka qiyaamaha saxsan oo SHEYDAAN KA WALI DHIGTEY oo RAACEY: "For him(THE DEVIL) it is decreed that whosoever follows him, he will mislead him, and will drive him to the torment of FIRE"22:4 Ilaahey baa ballan qaadey in SHAYAADIINTA axamdoo kale ah la tirtiro waxey waxyiga ilaahey ku daraan oo ay jeebkooda ka keensadaan And allah says :- "Never did we send a messenger or a prophet before you (O'mohammed), But when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke , Satan threw(some falsehood) in it. But ALLAH abolishes that which SATAN throws in. Then Allah establishes His revelations. And Allah is all-knower, all-wise"22:52 Whatever AHMED submitter SAYS will be only his and only from his IDOL RASHAD.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama alaykum Muslims! Umar, Umar, YOU and I both believe there was a book given to Abraham -- and in that book...it is logical that it would contain what God had given to as a law to the nation of Abraham. I HOPE you listen this with a clear mind. Now, if the book that he's given has, logically, his laws -- would not that mean it'd contain salat -- since GOD himself says that we made SALAT and ZAKKAT and HAJJ upon Abraham and Isaac and Jacob -- and that he made them imams to the nations? ALSO -- if God tells Muhammad to FOLLOW Abraham and HIS way -- does not that mean that Muhammad followed the practice of Abraham? DO you ever see any instructions other than what was corrupted...in the Qur'an for HAJJ??? However, we know Hajj was practiced LONG before Muhammad's birth or existance. FOLLOWING the religion of Abraham -- does NOT in any way mean we follow an idol beside the Quran. IT is from the Qur`an, Umar -- that God says "WHO IS BETTER THAN HE WHO FOLLOWS THE RELIGION OF ABRAHAM?" Any messenger who comes after Muhammad will have no choice but TO FOLLOW Muhammad -- this will NOT in any way make this *new* messenger an idol beside the Qur`an, does it? Muhammad did not follow and idol-worshipper...but a man who God given his laws...and APPOINTED him as an Imam to the nations. Abraham -- brought the practices of Islam...and asked GOD to accept it from him. Your saying "QURAN AND ABRAHAM" as two sources is ridiculeous -- since I KNOW nothing that was given to Abraham...except what I learned FROM Muhammad in the Qur`an. However, the people of the time of Muhammad -- had SALAT, HAJJ, ZAKKAT, and SAOM....and EVEN believed that GOD was the god of the universe. BUT, they corrupted that -- and turned them upside down. Muhammad was SENT to correct that -- he brought the QUR`AN. Which is a GUIDANCE to mankind -- why is it a guidance...until it guides man from what he knew not? Learn the history of arabia -- from SUNNI scholars, if you will. CAN you tell me anywhere in the Qur`an where people are asked to perform salat/zakkat/hajj/saum before Abraham? IF so, let me know. ALSO, please -- don't be ridiculeous, can YOU tell me where Muhammad was given the formula of the salat? NOT "what" muhammad did(muhammad was an ARAB remmeber? he was in the mount of hira -- to do his arabian practice when the Qur`an was revealed to him...which was FASTING and retreating) -- but was given to HIM(as a Messenger of Allah)? This is because I DON'T believe he was given any *formula* -- but was corrected to correct what was CORRUPTED; the times, and whom it may be addressed to. EVERYTHING else -- is done...as it was done. SIMILAR with the Hajj -- everything is as it was done -- except what they did beyond what was asked. Similar with Zakat and Saum. You need to UNDERSTAND the life of muhammad before messengership and Islam -- he was A PAGAN; and Idolworshiper whom his community loved for being truthful and particpant. THE very same moment when Gabriel appears to him and asks him to "RECITE -- In the name of thy Lord!" what was Muhammad doing? retreating in Hira after his journey. It was a ramadan -- the month of PEACE in Arabia. Notice also how Muhammad ONLY used to come out in Ramadan later when preaching for there'd be no danger for him since arabians did not do any evil during this time. SO, everything that Muhammad did before this -- was *ABRAHAMIC PRACTICE* -- which was not true since they truly corrupted them. Then, all that God asked him to do was correct the things that were not Abrahamic; - NO one shall worship any diety except Allah -- and NONE intercedes with him...except with his permission. - NO idols in Ka`bah - NO other god in salat except ALLAH -- and the times...ALL five times. - NO once a year zakkat but EVERY time they would have a harvest day. - NO money taking from poors and orphans -- for they are needy people. - NO more wives than four. ...all these and MORE. Thus, none of the formulas has nothing to do with the corruption. WHEN a house is built -- and it gets old/falling -- you ONLY do what is neccesary to make it back into its origional. YOU do not re-build it. God ONLY did this with the Nation of Noah -- not any other human beings. Even those over thrown cities did not get this "re-build" but only were a fraction of human society who got, so to say, straightened. You're running around with *formulas* -- when do you need formulas? AT THE BEGINING. UNTIL Abraham -- no one needed a practice to be a Muslim. BUT only expected to believe GOD and GOD ALONE. Practice of a religious salvation in the history of humankind begans with Abraham...and NO one before him. I saw this -- thanks to Submitters! And, studying your own history and back-ground...doesn't hurt. Salat and Zakkat and Hajj and Saum are ALL from the Qur`an, Umar -- not out-side the Qur`an. How they are done are outside -- since it was not our practices that were given us...as THIS nation. So, there is no two paths to this -- this is why I don't care what people do in salat -- except what is NOT of God(which you can tell from the Qur`an!) 1 - worshipping or addressing in the salat another human being is OBVIOUSLY a non-ISLAMIC thing. 2 - Making hajj to a dead prophet's tomb is OBVIOUSLY a NON-Islamic thing. 3 - Giving Zakkat once a year...is obviously a NON-ISLAMIC thing. 4 - FASTING before or after Ramadan as a *obligatory* fast is OBVIOUSLY a non-ISLAMIC thing. 5 - Calling names with LAA ILAHA ILALLAH like "Muhammadan rasululah" and "ALIYUN IMAMUL UMMAH" "Abdul wahabul Abdul-lah" is obviously a non-ISLAMIC thing.(God bears that Muhammad is a RASULULLAH and we are ASKED to believe in that -- and WE know that Ali was imamul ummah at one point in history -- and I believe Abdul-Wahab was a servant of allah...like any other servant of Allah -- BUT, all do not belong in Laa ilaha ilallah. I say MUHAMMADAN RASULULLAH to tell the world that i believe in Muhammad as a MESSENGER of Allah -- but i know it was NOT upon any muslim history before or after muhammad to say that as a "shahadah") WHICH all these five things are done in one point or another in the Muslim world...by one sect or another. I know that all those are idol-worship thing -- and I will have a proof when God sends a Messenger to ME...and to this Ummah. I will write more about the Messenger/Prophet later -- see how you deviate people from discussions. ALL of the things addressed in this post do not belong in this discussion. I don't have time to respond everything/everyone's queries. BUT somethings need addressed -- and straightened. Peace and Love to all Muslims, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed, the KADAAB said "You need to UNDERSTAND the life of Muhammad before messengership and Islam -- he was A PAGAN; and Idolworshiper whom his community loved for being truthful and particpant. THE very same moment when Gabriel appears to him and asks him to "RECITE -- In the name of thy Lord!" what was Muhammad doing? retreating in Hira after his journey. It was a ramadan -- the month of PEACE in Arabia. Notice also how Muhammad ONLY used to come out in Ramadan later when preaching for there'd be no danger for him since arabians did not do any evil during this time." What a BIG LIE.! Muhammad WAS NEVER A PAGAN. He abhorred more than anything the IDOL WORSHIP. The standard of character of Muhammad was always free from any PAGANISM BELIEF. Polytheism and worship of IDOLS was prominent in Arabia, but Muhammad NEVER took part in that worship. Muhammad in his youth was a combination of the best social attributes. He was an exemplary man of weighty mind and faultless insight. He was favored with intelligence, originality of thought and accurate choice of the means leading to accurate goals. His long silence helped favorably in his habit of MEDIATION and DEEP investigation into the TRUTH. His vivid mind and PURE nature were helpfully instrumental in comprehending ways of life and people, individual and community-wise. However, Muhammad SHUNNED superstitious PRACTICES but took an active part in constructive and useful dealings, otherwise, he would have recourse to his SELF-CONSECRETED SOLITIDE. Muhammad kept himself aloof from drinking wine, eating meat slaughtered on stone altars, or attending IDOLATROUS FESTIVALS. Muhammad held THE IDOLS IN EXTREME AVERSION AND MOST ABHORRENCE. He could never TOLERATE someone swearing by IDOL gods. Allah's providence, no doubts, DETACHED Muhammad from ALL ABOMINABLE OR EVIL PRACTICE. Even when he tried to obey his instinct to enjoy some life pleasures or follow some irrespectable traditions. Ibn Al-Atheer reported Muhammad as saying: "I have never tried to do what my people do except for two times. Every time Allah intervened and checked me from doing so and I never did that again. Once I told my fellow-shepherd to take care of my sheep when we were in the upper part of Makkha. I wanted to go down to Makkah and entertain myself as the young men did. I went down to the first house of Makkah where I heard music. I entered and asked: 'What is this?' Someone answered: 'Its is wedding party.' I sat down and listened but soon went into deep sleep. I was awakened by the heat of the sun. I went back to my fellow-shepherd and told him what had happened to me. I have never tried it again." Ahmed and submitters are so desperate to mislead people that they lie so carelessly and call our last messenger an IDOL worshipper and a PAGAN before Muhammad was a prophet/messenger.!! Ahmed said "Umar, YOU and I both believe there was a book given to Abraham -- and in that book...it is logical that it would contain what God had given to as a law to the nation of Abraham." Well, neither the book given to Ibraahim nor the book given to Muhammad contain the FORMULA of prayers. Ahmed would have shown to us where in the BOOK given to Ibraahim or the book given to Muhammad are found the FORMULA of SALAAT. Yes, Ibraahim and Muhammad were given the FORMULA of SALAAT as practice and they taught their people HOW to WORSHIP and do the SALAAT, but the PRACTICE or the FORMULA SALAAT is NOT FOUND in the BOOK. !! If Ahmed can't find the FORMULA of SALAAT, then he is FOLLOWING something that is NOT in the BOOK; thus, Ahmed is a hypocrite and a lair.
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| | Unrecorded Date Omar. the hadith you mentioned makes AHMED'S claim NON EXISTANT AND A BIG LIAR who would go to any measure to mislead people into his KUFR. And I would like to repeat it for the OCCASION: "Ibn Al-Atheer reported Muhammad as saying: "I have never tried to do what my people do except for two times. Every time Allah intervened and checked me from doing so and I never did that again. Once I told my fellow-shepherd to take care of my sheep when we were in the upper part of Makkha. I wanted to go down to Makkah and entertain myself as the young men did. I went down to the first house of Makkah where I heard music. I entered and asked: 'What is this?' Someone answered: 'Its is wedding party.' I sat down and listened but soon went into deep sleep. I was awakened by the heat of the sun. I went back to my fellow-shepherd and told him what had happened to me. I have never tried it again." This is WHAT MUSLIMS -UNLIKE AHMED SUBMITTER- believe, lie after a lie, just to propagate their ignorance. Omar, If you noticed THERE is another GAAL who goes by the name Father micheals WHO WAS ENCOURAGED by AHMED and his bold lies about the prophet, But to my wonder, Father micheals is a little more respectful to MUHAMMAD than THIS SATAN who claims to be muslim does.
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| | Unrecorded Date axmed gaal. maxaad tiri kutubtii hore ma'akhrisay!, maxaan oogabaahanahay waxaan haystaa kii ugudanbeeyay dadka hada nool oo dhana loogu talagalay, miyaadan ogayn inlabadalay kuwii hore?, sideese kurumaysataa wax labadalay, waxaas waxawaxa kulumiyay. axaadiista nabiga s.c.w.lagawariyay marumayn kartid Israa'iilaaydkana umakala aabayeeshid!!. arinta kale ee aad kulantay waa markii lagaa dhaadhiciyay axaadiista waa labeen abuurtay si lagaaga fogeeyo sunadii nabiga s.c.w ee cadaynaysay quraanka. wakaas aad kujirtiad bad aan xeeb lahayn. carabiga faraq wayn uma dhexeeyo anbiyaa iyo nabiyiin xaga macnaha.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, PPPPUUUUHHHHHLLLLEEEEEZZZZZZ -- it's ridiculeous that you're claiming Muhammad was not an idol-worshiper. AND, Umar, just so you know -- just because you don't do it...it doesn't mean you're NOT. Muhammad was PART of the culture of Arabians -- and was respected and loved for that...and his human traits. God tells muhammad in the Qur`an that HE GUIDED HIM -- I wonder what GOD guided from Muhammad. Hhhhhmmm -- hadiths? hahahha! Muhammad was part of the Ka`bah family -- and was loved dearly for THIS. He participated all the cultural/religeous practices UNTIL God met him in Islam. Had Muhammad was MUSLIM or someone who did not idolize others beside God -- he would NOT be a Messenger to arabs -- NOR would he be called "among them" when GOD is reffering to HOW he chose a Messenger among the "ummiyiin" UNLETTERED/UNEDUCATED. He was a Messenger -- because HE WAS PART OF THAT COMMUNITY. PLEASE, read history of Muhammad -- THROUGH Muslim historians. LIKE you, they try their best to ommit that part of life of Muhammad -- but through the stories...they do mention all the practices, even when noticing. Just read "HAYATUL MUHAMMAD" by Haybal -- and his wedding, his practices, etc -- pre-islam are idoltry...when haybal tries his hardest to ommit these things. AND, fyi, Umar -- it was never a favorite thing for the Arabians to drink wine. It was never their culture -- and only the X-tians and Jews brought it there...and all the CULTURALLY-ORIENTATED arabians, LIKE Muhammad, would not drink or use "tickbah"(drug-like...xtians and jews used!) This is the point -- Muhammad was *wadani* someone who adered his cultural/religious things, dearly. IT has nothing to do with his Messengership -- because it was BEFORE -- and God knew he'd be a Messenger and KNEW he had to be part of that community. Had Muhammad was AS you explain, NONE would ever follow him -- he'd be "heretic" who came up with a new thing. BUT, most people followed his path for they knew he was TRUTHFUL, TRUSTABLE, ONE WHO LOVED HIS PEOPLE/CULTURE/RELIGION. ALSO -- please, re-read the Qur`an. EVERY Messenger of God -- INCLUDING Abraham(God's Friend) were PART of their people until the Messengerhood came to them. It was always when GOD intervened that they started questioning and bringing the Message. Muhammad was NOT exception from this -- and as every other Messenger, he was PART of his people until God came to him with His Message. ALSO, Muhammad did NOT believe in the MESSAGE of God when first approached -- and he thought it was the "Devil" who tried to take HIM AWAY FROM HIS RELIGION. He was scared and did not understand -- since HE WAS NOT waiting for any messenger(BUT only Jews/Xtians were). AS i said, re-read history of Muhammad...it is obvious that you know NOTHING about him. ANYWAY, you said; [Ahmed said "Umar, YOU and I both believe there was a book given to Abraham -- and in that book...it is logical that it would contain what God had given to as a law to the nation of Abraham." Well, neither the book given to Ibraahim nor the book given to Muhammad contain the FORMULA of prayers. Ahmed would have shown to us where in the BOOK given to Ibraahim or the book given to Muhammad are found the FORMULA of SALAAT. Yes, Ibraahim and Muhammad were given the FORMULA of SALAAT as practice and they taught their people HOW to WORSHIP and do the SALAAT, but the PRACTICE or the FORMULA SALAAT is NOT FOUND in the BOOK. !! If Ahmed can't find the FORMULA of SALAAT, then he is FOLLOWING something that is NOT in the BOOK; thus, Ahmed is a hypocrite and a lair.] HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Now, let me get THIS straight -- IF you tell someone to do this *new* thing...don't you give them instructions of how to do it? Abraham was given this -- and it is logical that it was written in his book(WHICH you and I do not have!) AND, Muhammad was a follower of Abraham.([3.95] Say: Allah has spoken the truth, therefore follow the religion of Ibrahim, the upright one; and he was not one of the polytheists.) note -- how god says he was NOT one of the polytheists unlike what Arabian pagans thought he was. ALSO notice how God did not say; "the religion of Muhammad" Muhammad was the first to follow Abraham since he was the first muslim(in his era!) ;) YES, Umar -- I understand you can't get that...because you follow what you found with your fathers -- even when they were PLAIN wrong! Anyway...I'll write more when I have time -- don't write so much...when i don't have so much time, BRO.(j/k!) Peace - ahmad ~
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "Umar, PPPPUUUUHHHHHLLLLEEEEEZZZZZZ -- it's ridiculeous that you're claiming Muhammad was not an idol-worshiper. AND, Umar, just so you know -- just because you don't do it...it doesn't mean you're NOT." No, Muhammad was not "an idol-worshiper" nor DID he DO the ACT of worshipping idols. He was NEVER a PAGAN. Ahmed said "Muhammad was PART of the culture of Arabians -- and was respected and loved for that...and his human traits" Being a "PART of the culture" did NOT make Muhammad a PAGAN. Yes, Muhammad was respected and loved not because we was a PAGAN, but because of his PURE nature free from any superstitious acts. Ahmed said "God tells muhammad in the Qur`an that HE GUIDED HIM -- I wonder what GOD guided from Muhammad. Hhhhhmmm -- hadiths? hahahha!" Yes, Allah GUIDED and PROTECTED Muhammad from ALL the superstitious PRACTICES of the PAGANS. And lying and saying that Muhammad was a PAGAN is Ahmed's own "hadiths" and it is also the "hadiths" the Jews and Christians say about Muhammad. The QURAN does not say that Muhammad was a PAGAN. Ahmed said "Muhammad was part of the Ka`bah family -- and was loved dearly for THIS. He participated all the cultural/religeous practices UNTIL God met him in Islam." No, Muhammad did not participate "ALL the cultural/religious practices". Muhammad held THE IDOLS IN EXTREME AVERSION AND MOST ABHORRENCE. He could never TOLERATE someone swearing by IDOL gods. Just because he was there, does mean he did the practice of IDOL WORSHIP. Ahmed said "Had Muhammad was MUSLIM or someone who did not idolize others beside God -- he would NOT be a Messenger to Arabs he would NOT be a Messenger to Arabs -- NOR would he be called "among them" when GOD is reffering to HOW he chose a Messenger among the "ummiyiin" UNLETTERED/UNEDUCATED. He was a Messenger -- because HE WAS PART OF THAT COMMUNITY. " Again, No. Muhammad did not "idolize others beside God" nor did he do the act of "idol worship". He always knew that IDOL WORSHIP was wrong and he was always in search of the TRUTH. He used to go to the mountains away from the IDOLS. In his youth, Muhammad HATED the IDOLS his country men were worshipping---so much so that---he often resorted to MEDITATION and DEEP investigation into the TRUTH. Muhammad was ALWAYS a Muslim--from birth to death---Allah's GUIDANCE and PROTECION was always with Muhammad. It is just that Muhammad did not know that he was the *CHOSEN* MESSENGER/PROPHET---not for his people only-- but for all people to come after him. Ahmed said "PLEASE, read history of Muhammad -- THROUGH Muslim historians." I read the History of Muhammad. Ignorant Muslims do not take everything Muslim and non-Muslim "historians" say about Muhammad. The Quran does not say Muhammad was a PAGAN. Ahmed said ". LIKE you, they try their best to ommit that part of life of Muhammad -- but through the stories...they do mention all the practices, even when noticing. Just read "HAYATUL MUHAMMAD" by Haybal -- and his wedding, his practices, etc -- pre-islam are idoltry...when haybal tries his hardest to ommit these things." I do not trust the ignorant Muslims, Jews and Christian "his story" about Muhammad. If Ahmed trust their HADEETH about Muhammad, then he is following DISTORTED HADEETH. The QURAN does NOT say that Muhammad was PAGAN and Muslims DO NOT believe the submitters, Jews, Ahmed, Christian HADEETH about the Muhammad. Ahmed said "AND, fyi, Umar -- it was never a favorite thing for the Arabians to drink wine. It was never their culture -- and only the X-tians and Jews brought it there...and all the CULTURALLY-ORIENTATED arabians, LIKE Muhammad, would not drink or use "tickbah"(drug-like...xtians and jews used!) This is the point -- Muhammad was *wadani* someone who adered his cultural/religious things, dearly." No, the point is that Muhammad NEVER did *idolatry* or *worshiped* IDOLS nor did he *drink wine*. Muhammad NEVER had any *pagan belief* in HIM---IMPORTED OR EXPORTED---Jewish and Christians had their IDOL worship; the Arab PAGANS had their IDOL worship. Ahmed said "Muhammad was *wadani* someone who adered his cultural/religious things, dearly" No, Muhammad was NOT a PAGAN. He was pure and free from any VICE--- Allah protected Muhammad and Allah's providence, no doubts, DETACHED Muhammad from ALL ABOMINABLE OR EVIL PRACTICE, including the IDOL WORSHIP or any home-made--imported or exported DRINKING ALCOHOL. Muhammad said ": "I have never tried to do what my people do except for two times. Every time Allah intervened and CHECKED ME FROM DOING SO and I NEVER DID that again. Once I told my fellow-shepherd to take care of my sheep when we were in the upper part of Makkha. I wanted to go down to Makkah and entertain myself as the young men did. I went down to the first house of Makkah where I heard music. I entered and asked: 'What is this?' Someone answered: 'Its is wedding party.' I sat down and listened but soon went into deep sleep. I was awakened by the heat of the sun. I went back to my fellow-shepherd and told him what had happened to me. I have never tried it again." Ahmed said ". IT has nothing to do with his Messengership -- because it was BEFORE -- and God knew he'd be a Messenger and KNEW he had to be part of that community." But Allah PROTECTED his FUTURE MESSENGER FROM DOING ANY VICE, let alone IDOL WORSHIP.! Ahmed said "Had Muhammad was AS you explain, NONE would ever follow him -- he'd be "heretic" who came up with a new thing." But they knew Muhammad had special and good character different from any person---KHULI-QIN-CADIIM. People respected and loved him before he was a messenger, but STILL they rejected him after he told them what he was---a messenger. They called him all kinds of names and considered him "heretic"!! Ahmed said "BUT, most people followed his path for they knew he was TRUTHFUL, TRUSTABLE, ONE WHO LOVED HIS PEOPLE/CULTURE/RELIGION" No, that is not the truth. Most people REJECTED him and did NOT follow him. The few that DID follow him, were prosecuted. Ahmed said "ALSO -- please, re-read the Qur`an. EVERY Messenger of God -- INCLUDING Abraham(God's Friend) were PART of their people until the Messengerhood came to them." No, like Muhammad, the QURAN does not say that Ibraahim was a PAGAN as Ahmed is trying to sell us. Like Muhammad, Ibrahim was born in idols worship environment, but like Muhammad, Ibraahim did not become an IDOL WORSHIPER. Like Allah protected his future messenger Muhammad, Allah PROTECTED his future messenger Ibraahim. Ibraahim's father was a well known idol sculptor that his people worshipped. As a young child, Ibrahim used to watch his father sculpting these idols from stones or wood. When his father was done with them, Ibrahim would use them as toys, riding on their backs, and kicking them at times. Then after a while, he would see these same statues in the temple, and people prostrating in front of them! Ibrahim asked his father: "Why do you take these toys to the temple?" His father said: "They are statues that represent our gods. We worship them, we ask favors from them, and we offer them presents." Ibrahim's mind REJECTED THIS IDEA, and he felt a REPULSION TOWARDS THE IDOLS just like Muhammad felt when he saw what the people were worshipping. Ahmed said "ALSO, Muhammad did NOT believe in the MESSAGE of God when first approached -- and he thought it was the "Devil" who tried to take HIM AWAY FROM HIS RELIGION. He was scared and did not understand -- since HE WAS NOT waiting for any messenger(BUT only Jews/Xtians were). AS i said, re-read history of Muhammad...it is obvious that you know NOTHING about him." But does this mean that Muhammad was a PAGAN---that he didn't know he was going to be a messenger?! Like Muhammad, one night, Ibrahim went up to the mountain. He saw a shining star and said: "Could this be my Lord?" But when it set he said: "I don't like those that set." The star has disappeared, it could not be Allah. Allah is always present. Then he saw the moon rising in splendor and told them: "Could this be my Lord?" But it also set. At daybreak, he saw the sun rising and said: "Could this be my Lord, this is bigger?" But when the sun set he said: "O my people I am free from all that you join as partners with Allah! I have turned my face towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah." Does this mean that Ibraahim worshipped the IDOLS he HATED which Ibrahim would use them as toys, riding on their backs, and kicking them at times? Later before he was a messenger, Ibraahim hated these IDOLS so much when he used to see people worshipping them? And does this mean Ibraahim worshipped the sun, the moon and the stars or he was searching the TRUTH and he didn't know that he was to be a messenger of Allah? Muhammad also was searching the TRUTH; he didn't know that he was going to be a messenger, but when he saw Jibriil, Muhammad did not know what to do---then was told he was the messenger of Allah and what to do. Like Muhammad, Ibraahim was in search for the TRUTH. He knew that these stones people worshipped could not be gods. Allah was PROTECTING and GUIDING Ibraahim just as Allah PROTECTED and GUIDED Muhammad to the TRUTH. Thus, Ibraahim and Muhammad were NEVER PAGANS as Ahmed is trying to say. Also, Muhammad's RELIGION was not IDOL WORSHIP as Ahmed is saying, but Allah's GUIDENCE AND PROTECTION was ALWAYS with Muhammad just like Ibraahim. Neither of them follow or practiced the RELIGION of their people. There is no place in the QURAN where the Muhammad or Ibraahim were said to belong the RELIGION of the people they were SENT for. Ahmed said "HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Now, let me get THIS straight -- IF you tell someone to do this *new* thing...don't you give them instructions of how to do it? Abraham was given this -- and it is logical that it was written in his book(WHICH you and I do not have!) AND, Muhammad was a follower of Abraham.([3.95] Say: Allah has spoken the truth, therefore follow the religion of Ibrahim, the upright one; and he was not one of the polytheists.) note -- how god says he was NOT one of the polytheists unlike what Arabian pagans thought he was. ALSO notice how God did not say; "the religion of Muhammad" Muhammad was the first to follow Abraham since he was the first muslim(in his era!) ;)" Ahmed is here again hiding his HYPOCRISY. Ahmed can't SHOW where we can find the FORMULA OF SALAAT. Ahmed believes his own or other people's HADEETHS about Muxammad's and Ibraahim's history that says they were PAGANS----the QURAN, however, does not say that; Ahmed says he PERFORMS his SALAAT the way IBRAAHIM or MAXAMAD did--but these practices or SUNNAH are not in the QURAN So, Ahmed keeps LYING to himself and he shows his HYPOCRISY on here every day.!! Still Ahmed does not see what he is doing; he blames and protests, but still follows what he protests and blames---the things he follows and practices are not found in the QURAN---but he is pretending to follow the QURAN ONLY.!!! Ahmed is a confused individual who BLOWS hot and cold with the same breath while smiling and while lying. Hypocrisy is a prejudice with a halo. Ahmed said "Anyway...I'll write more when I have time -- don't write so much...when i don't have so much time, BRO.(j/k!): Who cares if Ahmed has time or not----"don't write so much" LOL.
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| | Unrecorded Date My God! Ahmed...you are one messed up brother!!!! Now you are attacking the Prophet- ascribing characteristics to him! Interesting to note that when you read a book on the Prophet's life- you believe the writer but you foam at the mouth at any mention of a "hadith"? Selective, aren't you! I think you are not in any quest. I think you already have made up your mind. Your bottomline- undermine the Prophet and other can claim his role. THE END. By the way- you boys (ahmed and abdi) haven't yet answered re: performance of prayer. You keep mentioning that it came from Abraham- Ok! agreed that Abraham performed some kind of prayer- but HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW TO PERFORM SALAT/Wudu? Are there drawings that were handed down? I don't see Xtians and Jews performing salats 5 times a day- bowing, prostrating. And believe me I have been to their houses of worship. And to say that the older societies were "primitive" so all they were asked of was to believe in the oneness of God- is LAUGHABLE!!!! Primitive, eh? is that the standard. So if I live in the jungles of Africa, Asia and South America- then since my society is primitive- I am only required to believe in the oneness of Allah. No salat, no saum? And if I am from a "civilized" society then I am required to have a higher spiritual soul? Is faith directly related to level of development a society achieves. WHAT AN IDIOTICALLY NAIVE STATEMENT! One note: These societies of yesteryears, achieved in art, literature, architecture, astronomy and mathematics. They were not 'primitive.' To say they were, only highlights the lack of your knowledge of history. So ahmed- you keep saying that you are learning about rashad- that you haven't made up your mind yet- I think you already follow him. And you have a reason for not claiming rashad as your guide- you want to appear as non-judgemental and subjective as possible. Then you can have your 'enlightenment'- On line! So Ahmed and Abdi, Choose others to be your messenger. I choose to remain with my messenger and prophet- PROPHET MUHAMMED- May peace and blessing be on him always and forever- To all the other Brothers Thank you for all the information you have been posting. May Allah reward you all- for your energies and effort.
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| | Unrecorded Date My sister Caraweelo, please do not say to Ahmed that he "follows" Rashad Khalifa. Please take it back----otherwise, he will not FORGIVE YOU but he will TAKE you in front of Allah. LOL.
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| | Unrecorded Date Islam was complete and does not need anything except our complete allegence to it. "O' you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islam(By obeying all the rules and regulations of it) and follow not the footsteps of SATAN. Verily! He is to you a plain ENEMY" 2:208 If there was something or some information left AFTER MOHAMMED, ALLAH wouldn't have ENCOURAGED us to enter into a religion that is LACKING some info as AHMED SUBMITTER likes to tell us by saying THERE WILL BE ANOTHER MESSENGER. If otherwise, we don't follow and take MOHAMMED as our last MESSENGER Allah says: " Then if you SLIDE BACK after the clear signs(prophet mohammed and Islam) HAVE COME TO YOU, Then know that ALLAH is almighty(Who is able to take his revenge), and all WISE(For ALLAH knows WHO deserves his WRATH).2:209 Ahmed wants to intimidate us INTO following his IDOL RASHAD by saying WE MUSLIMS are holding onto OUR FATHER'S MISTAKES. And ALLAH spoke of INTIMIDATORS like AHMED when ALLAH SAID in the QURAN:-- "It is only SATAN that suggests to you THE FEAR OF HIS AWLIYA(supporters and friends), So FEAR THEM NOT, BUT FEAR ME, IF YOU ARE TRUE BELIEVERS."3:175 We are true believers and AHMED submitter's superstition won't change our minds from following the prophet of ISLAM and we take him OUR GUIDE in all OUR situations. If Ahmed when defeated all the time claims that we follow our ancestors, we say "waxaa mahadda led eebihii nagu hanuuniyey dariqan, kuma aanan hanuunneen hadduusan ilaahey na hanuunin"
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| | Unrecorded Date Mohammad (pbuh) the Last Messenger: To fully understand why the Qur’an has considered it sufficient to declare that Mohammad (pbuh) is the last Nabi (prophet) and has not felt the need to declare that Mohammad (pbuh) is also the last Rasu’l (messenger) of Allah, one must first understand the difference between the two offices of “Nabi” and “Rasu’l”. The Qur'an has used the words “Nabi” (literally meaning: “one who informs”) and Rasu’l” (literally meaning: “one who delivers a message”) as terms as well as in their literal meanings. In their literal meaning, these words have also been used interchangeably. As terms of the Qur’an, the two words have been used in more qualified and distinct meanings. “Nabi”, as a term of the Qur’an refers to individuals selected by the Almighty for the specific purpose of delivering the message revealed to him from God and to remind people of the Day when they shall be presented before the Almighty and shall have to answer for their deeds. In other words, “Nabi” is an individual who guides his people to the path of the Creator’s liking in the light of the message revealed to him. On the other hand, “Rasu’l” (as a term of the Qur’an) is a special position, which was given only to a few of the “Nabis”. Every “Nabi” is not necessarily a “Rasu’l”. According to the details scattered in the Qur’an regarding the position of “Rasu’l”, God sends His “Rasu’ls” as symbols of His final Judgment. “Rasu’l”, in contrast to “Nabi” is not just a deliverer of God’s message. On the basis of the response that he receives from his addressees, he decides the fate of his nation. The Qur’an, regarding “Rasu’ls” says: “Those that oppose God and His Rasu’ls shall be brought low. God has decreed: I will surely triumph, Myself and My Rasu’ls. God is Most Powerful, Mighty.” (Al-Mujadilah 58: 20, 21) It should be quite clear from this clarification, that though “Nabi” and “Rasu’l” are separate designations of the Qur’an and all Nabis are not Rasu’l, yet all “Rasu’ls” are “Nabis” too. Thus when the Qur’an said that Mohammad (pbuh) is “the seal of Nabis”, it automatically implies that the Qur’an holds him as the seal of “Rasu’ls” too, because a person who is a “Rasu’l”, according to the Qur’an, has to be a “Nabi” first.
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| | Unrecorded Date Hey Omar, I am late and think I can sleep tonight with your last post in my memory bank. Thanks and brother keep the vigilance "And for ALLAH belongs the HIGHER EXAMPLE". Brother, I love you and till we meet in this world or in the hereafter, WE SHALL PRAY FOR EACH OTHER.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, FIRST, I wanna apologize -- I get the name of the Muslim historian screwed up. It is not "Haybal" but "Haykal" -- in his famous biography; "hayat muhammad" Haykal tells how Muhammad DID participate all the stuff that were going around -- even when not directly saying that. Once, the Tribe of Quraish came to celebrate one of the goddesses(Uzzat, I think...but i'm not sure) where EVERY Qur`aish came except four. These four do NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT, include Muhammad or Khadijah. This event happened during the marriage to Khadijah and pre-islam. In his book, ch 4 -- is where this event is mentioned. This biographer OMMITS alot of Muhammad's life from this book -- but still ENOUGH to know that Muhammad was part of the community. Also, another event, Muhammad participates in re-building the Ka`bah. EVERY Arab-pagan doesn't want to start bringing the wall down - due to fear that gods may be angered. A man does it -- and everyone else awaits(INCLUDING Muhammad) then in the morning -- everyone re-builds the ka`bah. Haykal tells Muhammad goes all day back-and-forth in helping re-build the ka`bah. Later, it is Muhammad who helps settle a dissagreement between the tribes of WHO is gonna put the black stone. Muhammad asks for a lot of robes -- and puts it around the stone and asks each tribe to send some of their elders to hold each edge. Thus, the thing is done without there being a fight. Arabians pagans wouldn't do this with a person who was against their beliefs -- Muhammad was certainly part of their community who believed and did UNEDUCATED things. They were ALL ummiyiin/gentiles. God tells Muhammad in the Qur`an; "Did He not find you orphan and give you shelter? He found you erring and guided you! He found you poor and made you rich!"(93: 6-8) When one reads that book -- when understands clearly these verses...as they explain what Muhammad went through. Before his first revelation -- Muhammad was OBSESSED in finding the Truth. Due to his talking/befriending Jews and Christians -- it became evident to him that there was more TO this than what he found with his fathers. Also, it bothered him that Jews/X-tians had all truth -- thus, he knew they too were not on the correct path. ALSO, Muhammad had NO IDEA he was going to be a Messenger. He thought he was *posessed* by the devil. WHEN he first told his experience of the first revelation to his wife, khadijah, she went to a man and told the story -- where the man later met muhammad and told him that he could be the long-waited messenger of God. Muhammad to that day believed he was possessed by the devil...or he is losing his mind. AND, fyi, Muhammad was NOT told that he was the Messenger at first -- the conversation he had with the angel was NOTHING but sura "THE PEN". Muhammad was CONFUSED when he left the angel -- and the angel later came upon him from the sky...where it was a human-gaint-look-like. Muhammad went to his house and slept. And, fyi, Abraham was part of that community as well -- BEFORE his messengership. As I said before, all the messengers were part of their community(PARTICIPATED)...until close when recieving their message where they become confused/searching, etc. ALSO, Umar -- You see, you're mish-mashing HISTORY with REVELATIONS. Knowing Muhammad was a pagan before Islam IS a history. It is a HISTORY that is due to be corrupted(if there is any motive!) This is why I DON'T believe Hadiths are satanic unless people make them "revelations" beside the Qur`an as a religious guidance. KNOWING Muhammad was/was not pagan before Islam has NOTHING to do with my salvation. Knowing that God founded him and guided him to the right course -- is my salvation. I love history -- and I read history -- but I NEVER think history is "wahy" beside the Qur`an...unlike what some muslims make the hadiths to be. So, don't yah confuse the two. AS for salat, since you won't quit(WHICH I know why you're doing!) I will tell you again -- that Salat like any other thing in life...was corrupted -- and the things corrupted were CORRECTED in the Qur`an. And what was not -- means was correct. A physical proof of this is: When Muhammad conquested Makkah -- he did not re-build the ka`bah...but he only took the gods down...and took out/erased all the paganism ideals duped into the ka`bah. THUS, the building was corrupted -- and Muhammad(with the Qur`an) corrected that. SAME with Salat...and SAUM. Muhammad only brought the (TIMES) and WHO to address it to -- and everything else was correct. In his book, Haykal describes the fasting during the month of ramadan in Arabia -- he says; "Muhammad fasted long hours" this means...others fasted only so much time. This was corrected. ALSO -- Haykal says that Muhammad fasted all ramadan. This tells that others didn't -- and only fasted so many days in the month. this was also corrected in the Qur`an. ALSO, Arabs did an anual retreat -- where they left their stuff and devote time alone to God. This was a good act -- which the Prophet continued to do during his life-time. HOWEVER, this was not imposed on us -- since it was something THEY(Arabia) added to the practice...even if it was a good thing. Also, some pious arabs(like Muhammad) only observed the law that men and women should not have intercourse during ramadan. Muhammad did this every year -- and went to hira...and spent all his time there. Later, when Qur`an was revealed -- God dismissed this law. This is because God is Merciful and all of the Arabs couldn't fulfill this -- so he dismissed it...for His Merciful exceeds beyond our understanding. PLEASE, get "the life of Muhammad" by Haykal -- a biographer who tries his best to be objective. It teaches alot of pre-islam arabia and during the life of Muhammad. You can get it from islamicbookstore.com or any borders book-store near you. Caraweelo, Sister!hahaha! You're funny! Truth is there are ALOT of hadiths which I BELIEVE to be true. I own hadith books -- which i love reading. Is this the point? The point is -- BOTH history/hadiths are to me corruptable...which do to be corrupted. SO, I look at them(each) by the Qur`an -- if it agrees with the Qur`an, it's an okay history which maybe corrupted. If not, then it's satanic which does not worth belief. You think this is selective? LIFE is selective, Darling! Sister, no -- trust me when i tell you this -- I LEARNED to NOT make my mind so easily. OY VEY -- if I could tell you how many times i made up "my mind" about things which turned out to be DISASTEREOUS. Anyway...as for salat, please, read my post to umar....which answers your questions. AND, if you read the Qur`an -- you will learn that jews/xtians lost the salat, hajj, etc. ONLY arabian pagans kept it alive...including zakkah and saum -- no matter how they corrupted them. ALSO, sister, people before abraham believed many many many many gods(some 1000 a day, etc) however, they did not have much of *practices* for their religion other than believing in them. This was the only thing required. This is a history which agrees with the Qur`an. AND, no -- after Abraham...there isn't any *primitive*. WE call some *primitive* but they'd be CIVILIZED were they compared with those people. And, no -- i have not made up my mind about rashad. i don't follow him -- i can't follow someone i don't believe in. I agree with him in places -- but that is because i agree with the qur`an. AND, as I said, life is selective -- you have your beliefs...I have mine -- and there is a GOD! Lets wait the day when BOTH of us shall be judged -- in a fair court of courts. ;) peace, ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "FIRST, I wanna apologize -- I get the name of the Muslim historian screwed up. It is not "Haybal" but "Haykal" -- in his famous biography; "hayat muhammad" Haykal tells how Muhammad DID participate all the stuff that were going around -- even when not directly saying that." "Ahmed said "FIRST, I wanna apologize -- I get the name of the Muslim historian screwed up. It is not "Haybal" but "Haykal" -- in his famous biography; "hayat muhammad" Haykal tells how Muhammad DID participate all the stuff that were going around -- even when not directly saying that." If "Muhammad DID participate all the stuff" as Ahmed is saying, then Ahmed has his own "hadeeth” to believe, that is his own “story” or “report”. If Haykal said "Muhammad participate IDOL WORSHIP", then Haykal was lying----like Ahmed is lying. Some Muslims like the submitters and Ahmed say and agree with what some enemies of Muhammad write about our messenger. Unlike the submitters and Ahmed, though---99% of the Muslim---even some non-Muslim--historians of the life and history of Muhammad------wrote things like these about our messenger: "Not with standing the fact that Arabia was a pit of iniquity and the bastion of idolatry and polytheism, Muhammed himself was FREE from all VICE and SIN, and HE NEVER BOWED BEFORE ANY IDOL. Even before he formally declared that he came to establish the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, his own conduct and character were a reflection of Quran - the Book of Allah and the Manifesto of Islam. Even his enemies have not been able to point out any divergence between his conduct and the precepts of Quran - at any time - after or before the Proclamation of his mission as the Messenger of Allah. After the Proclamation of his mission as Allah's messenger, he placed pagan practices and customs under proscription. But there is no evidence that before doing so, he himself ever committed a pagan act, or indeed any act repugnant to Quran. It appears that Quran was etched on the heart of Muhammed from beginning to end, and it also appears that he "preached" Islam even before the Proclamation but only through his deeds and not with his words. His deeds were just as eloquent as his speeches, and they proclaimed to the world what manner of man he was. After all, it were the pagans who called him Sadiq (=Truthful) and Amin (=Trustworthy), and they were the same people who, in later years, persecuted him, hunted him, banished him, and set a price on his head. Muhammed's demeanor preached a silent sermon! Depraved and wanton as the pagan Arabs were, even they admired truthfulness, and they admired it even in an enemy. They admired Muhammed for his truthfulness yet their admiration did not inhibit them from conspiring to kill him when he denounced their idolatry and polytheism. They loved nothing more than to kill him ever since he invited them to Islam but they never questioned his integrity and trustworthiness. On this point there cannot be a testimony more unimpeachable than theirs. The citizens of Makka admired not only Muhammed's integrity but also his judgment. At one time, the Quraysh were rebuilding the Kaaba, and in one of the walls they had to fit the Black Stone. Someone had to bring the Black Stone to the site of construction, lift it from the ground, and put it in its place in the wall. Who was going to do it? Each clan claimed the honor for itself but other clans were not willing to defer to anyone in this matter. The disagreement led to violent speeches, and it was not long before the swords were drawn. The sword was going to decide who would place the Black Stone in the wall. At that moment an old Arab intervened, and suggested that instead of fighting against, and killing each other, the chiefs of the clans ought to wait and see who would be the first man to enter the precincts of the Kaaba on the following morning, and then submit the case for adjudication to him. It was a wise suggestion, and the chiefs wisely accepted it. Next morning when the gate of Kaaba was opened, they noticed that it was the man thev called Sadiq and Amin who was entering through it. They were all glad that it was he, and they all agreed to refer their dispute to him, and to abide by his decision. Muhammed ordered a sheet of cloth to be brought and to be spread on the ground. He then placed the Stone on it, and asked each chief to lift one of its corners, and to carry it to the foot of the wall of Kaaba. When it was done, he himself lifted the Stone and placed it in position. Muhammed's decision satisfied everyone. By his wisdom, he had saved faces and he had obviated bloodshed. The incident also proved that in moments of crisis, the Arabs deferred to his opinion. They knew that he had all the virtues held high in their scale of values. Muhammed was an inspired leader of men. The circumstances which gave occasion for the decision of Mohammed (when Kaaba was being rebuilt and he put the Black Stone in place) strikingly illustrate the absence of any paramount authority in Mecca. (The Life of Mohammed, London, 1877) Muhammed at this time was 35 years old. His temples were faintly silvered. He was a man much devoted to his family, and had a great fondness for children. His sons, Qasim and Abdullah, had died in their infancy. After their death, he and Khadija adopted Ali as their son. Ali was the youngest son of Muhammed's uncle and guardian, Abu Talib. He was five years old when he came into their house, and filled a void in their life. They brought him up and educated him. He grew up surrounded with their love. In the years to come, Ali showed himself a most splendid product of the upbringing and education that Muhammed and Khadija gave him. He was destined to be the most versatile young man in the entire entourage of Muhammed, the Messenger of God. Shortly after the rebuilding of the Kaaba, Mohammed comforted himself for the loss of his infant son Casim by adopting Ali, the child of his friend and former guardian, Abu Talib. Ali, at this time not above five or six years of age, remained ever after with Mohammed, and they exhibited towards each other the mutual attachment of parent and child. (The Life of Mohammed, London. 1877) As noted before, Muhammed was endowed with a contemplative cast of mind. As the years passed, he became more and more absorbed in contemplation. He had discovered a cave called Hira, three miles in the hills to the north-east of Makka. To be free from extraneous distractions, and from any possible interference in his reflections, he left the city, went to the hills, and spent the long summer days in Hira. Sometimes Muhammed Mustafa went to Hira alone, but quite often he took Khadija and the little boy, Ali, with him. The three of them spent the day together on top of the hill, and returned home in the evening. From the cliffs of Hira, Muhammed could survey the immensity of heaven and the earth, and in silent wonder he contemplated the line where they met. How could one comprehend the greatness of the Creator Who created such vastness and Who regulates it all? What was so wonderful as the stars glittering in a tranquil sky or as intriguing as the Destiny of Man? And could anyone fathom the mystery of the two great abstractions which cradled the universe - Space (=Makan) and Time (=Zaman)? Muhammed sought answers to questions that embody perennial mysteries of human existence. For him, all creation was veiled in mystery. He spent hours reflecting on the awesome Intelligence and the constancy of Creation. But as mysterious as the universe was, it was obvious to Muhammed that it was governed by immutable laws. He could almost "see" an organization and a system at work; without such organization and system there would only be chaos in both the celestial and the terrestrial spheres of creation. A few years later when Muhammed told the Arabs that God had sent him among them as His messenger, they challenged him to show them a "miracle." n A miMcle?" asked Muhammed. To see a miracle, all that they had to do was to open their eyes and to look around. Wasn't the whole universe full of miracles? What miracles were more wonderful than the rising and setting of the sun, the full moon sailing across the sky, the stars in their revolutions, the incandescent heaven, the change of the seasons, the upheaving bosom of the ocean, and the love of a mother for her child? If the immensity and majesty of Creation filled Muhammed's mind with wonder, they also filled his heart with humility. It might have occurred to him that if intellect could not apprehend the Creator and His mighty works, perhaps love could. He, therefore, let intellect defer to love - the love of his Creator. Muhammed also reflected on the state of the Arabs - their idolatry, their lust for blood and practice of infanticide, and the emptiness, meaninglessness, aimlessness and dreariness of their lives. But for Muhammed, the long years of "spiritual apprenticeship" and his solitary explorations in the domain of the soul, were coming to an end. He might have sensed that the time to turn his back upon a life of contemplation and meditation had come, and that he had soon to plunge into a life of action and conflict. When Muhammed was a child, he didn't show any interest in the toys and the frolics of children. In his boyhood, he didn't show any interest in games and sports, or in the company of other boys of his own age. As young as he was, he preferred solitude to company. Like other members of the tribe of Quraysh, Abu Talib also sent his merchandize to Syria and to Yemen every year. Sometimes he went in person with the caravans, and at other times, he engaged an agent who sold his merchandize in the markets of those countries. In A D. 582 Abu Talib decided to visit Syria with a caravan. His nephew, Muhammed, was 12 years old at this time. Abu Talib loved him so much that he could not bear to part company with him even for a few months. He, therefore, took him to Syria with him. Muhammed was a precocious boy, and notwithstanding his extreme youth, was a highly gifted observer. In course of his journey and during his sojourn in Syria, he carefully observed the people and their customs, mores, modes of worship, costumes, speeches and dialects. And whatever he saw, he remembered. Upon his return to Makka, he could recreate his experience from beginning to end, and he could recollect all his observations in vivid and graphic detail. He never forgot anything; in fact, he had "total recall." And though he was young in years, he was mature in wisdom and in plain common sense. Abu Talib was aware that Muhammed was wise and intelligent beyond his years and his experience. He, therefore, did not treat him like a minor but showed him all the respect due to an adult in Arab society. Soon young Muhammed entered his teens. Though now on the threshold of young manhood, he still didn't take any interest in the pleasures that other young men seek. He eschewed levity of all kinds and as noted before, he preferred to be alone with his thoughts. He had the opportunity to satisfy this predilection when he grazed the sheep of his uncle. He was all alone under the immense vault of the sky. The silent and the brooding desert rolled up to the horizons, and seemed to encourage and to invite him to reflect upon the wonders of creation, the mysteries of heaven and earth, and the meaning and purpose of life. He surveyed the landscape from horizon to horizon, and it appeared to him as if a vast, cosmic solitude was the only °presence" to keep him company. Solitude to him appeared to be a new "dimension" of his world. By the time Muhammed was out of his teens, the people of Makka had begun to take notice of him. They knew that he never deviated from rectitude, and he never erred. They also noted that he didn't talk much but when he did, he spoke only the truth, and he spoke only the words of wisdom. Since the Makkans had never heard him utter a falsehood, they called him "Sadiq" (=the Truthful). Within a few more years, the citizens of Makka were going to bestow another title upon Muhammed. Knowing that he was highly conscientious, many of them began to deposit their cash, their jewelry and ornaments, and other valuables with him for safe-keeping. Whenever anyone wanted his deposits back, Muhammed returned them to him. There never was an occasion when any repayment went by default. After such experience with him, over several years, they began to call him "Amin" (=the Trustworthy). He and he alone was called Sadiq and Amin by the Makkans. A. Yusuf Ali, the translator and commentator of Quran Majid, has explained the word Amin as follows: "Amin = one to whom a trust has been given, with several shades of meaning implied: e.g., (1) worthy of trust, (2) bound to deliver his trust, as a prophet is bound to deliver his Message, (3) bound to act entirely as directed by the trust, as a prophet is bound to give only the Message of Allah, and not add anything of his own, and (4) not seeking any interest of his Own. The pre-Islamic Arabs held every year a "season of fairs" in various parts of the country. Some of these fairs were held in Makka or in the environs of Makka. Well-known among them were the fairs of Ukkaz, Majanna and Dhul-Majaz. Muhammed visited these fairs whenever it was convenient for him to do so. All these fairs were held in the four sacred months of Rajab, Dhil-Qaada, Dhil-Hajj and Moharram, according to ancient Arab tradition. During these four months, there was a total embargo on all kinds of violence, warfare, plunder and brigandage. At the very beginning of the "season of peace," a general truce went into effect. This truce was recognized and respected by all Arabian tribes. Merchants, farmers and craftsmen gathered at these fairs from far and near to sell, to buy and to exchange. They brought the best of their products with them, and proudly exhibited them. The other arts of peace, poetry among them, were cultivated during the suspension of hostilities. Poetry was the first love of the Arabs. If poetic talent was discovered in any tribe, it was an occasion, for each and all, to celebrate. The other tribes, friendly to it, presented their congratulations to it, for producing such talent. The Arabs were great aficionados of Arabic words and the multiple nuances of their meanings. They called themselves the "sons of Arabic." In these fairs the poets read their latest compositions, and held their audience spell-bound with the "pyrotechnics" of their eloquence. Eloquence was an attribute which the Arabs treasured as paramount in importance. One of their maxims was that the beauty of a woman is in her face; but the beauty of a man in his eloquence. They admired the skill of construction in an ode as much as the poet's felicity of expression. Weird-looking mystics of the desert and wild-looking soothsayers and the oracles of the tribes, regaled their audience with their cryptic speeches, parables and their esoteric prognostications, even though few, if any, could understand their language of symbolisms. Most Arabs believed that astral influence determined man's fate. The soothsayers, therefore, were held in great awe in the whole country; it was believed that they had the power to commune with the stars. Singers, dancers, entertainers, acrobats and magicians, all vied with each other for the attention of the public. These fairs were also frequented by the saints, priests and holy men who preached their doctrines. They were all free to propagate their creeds and their ideas without fear of molestation from anyone during these four months. Peace and the arts of peace flourished against this panorama of untamed human vitality. In these fairs, Muhammed found an opportunity to observe a cross-section of the inhabitants of the Arabian peninsula. He also studied, at first hand, the customs and beliefs of the people of different social, cultural and geographical backgrounds. In the spring of A D. 595, the merchants of Makka "assembled" their summer caravan to carry their merchandize to Syria. Khadija also had her merchandize ready but she had not found a man who would take charge of it as her agent. A few names were suggested to her but she did not consider them satisfactory. Through some of his colleagues in the merchants' nguild" of Makka, Abu Talib learned that Khadija was in need of an agent who would take her cargo with the caravan to Syria and would sell it there. It occurred to Abu Talib that his nephew, Muhammed, who was now 25 years old, would qualify for the job. He was anxious to find employment for him. He knew that he (Muhammed) had no experience as an agent but he also knew that he (Muhammed) would more than make up for such a lack by his exceptional talents. He had faith in the capacities and faculties of his nephew, and was confident that he had enough savvy to handle his responsibilities and duties as an agent to the entire satisfaction of his employer. Therefore, with his (Muhammed's) tacit agreement, he called on Khadija, and broached with her the subject of his (Muhammed's) candidacy, as her new agent. Like most of the other citizens of Makka, Khadija had also heard about Muhammed. One thing she knew that she could not question, was his integrity. She sensed that she could trust Muhammed implicitly and explicitly. She therefore readily agreed to appoint him (Muhammed) as her agent. She did not consider his lack of experience a handicap, and said that she would, in any case, send her slave, Maysara - an experienced traveller - with him to assist him in his duties. Khadija was a superb administrator and a consummate organizer. But she was also lucky. She had always been lucky in finding good agents for her business. Even though she was "success-oriented," she was soon surprised to discover that with Muhammed as her agent, her luck soared as it had never done before. For Khadija, there never was in the past, and there never was going to be in the future, an agent like Muhammed. If she had the "golden touch" in her hand, he had the "blessed touch" in his. Khadija and Abu Talib worked out the details of the new arrangement. And when Muhammed called on his new employer to sign the contract, she explained to him the specifics of the trade. He immediately grasped what she told him, and didn't ask any questions seeking clarification. Khadija told Abu Talib that the recompense she would pay to Muhammed for his services, would be the double of what she had paid to her other agents in the past. What Khadija didn't know at this time was that it was the hand of destiny which was working behind this arrangement. Destiny had other plans for her and for Muhammed. Those plans transcended such mundane and picayune matters as making profit in a business enterprise, as events were very soon to show. In the meantime, the "summer caravan" of the Makkan merchants had been equipped, and was ready for departure on its long journey. The merchants brought their cargo out of the warehouses to be loaded on camels. The documents were prepared and were signed. Provisions were taken, and guides and the escorts were engaged. At the appointed time, Muhammed arrived with Abu Talib and his other uncles. They were greeted by an uncle of Khadija who was awaiting them with the "Bill of Lading" and the other documents. Muhammed had to take inventory of the merchandize that he was going to sell in Syria. With Maysara, he checked all items against the manifest, and found everything in order. Maysara had to do the paperwork relating to the sales and purchases. He was the record-keeper. Abu Talib gave special instructions to Maysara and to the leader of the caravan regarding the comfort and safety of Muhammed. They promised to do everything to make the journey pleasant and safe for him. Abu Talib and his brothers thanked them for showing solicitude for Muhammed's welfare. They prayed for his success in the new venture, and for his safe return. Then they committed him to the protection of Allah, and bade him farewell. During summer, most caravans travelled at night to escape the murderous heat of the day, and they rested during the day. Travel during the day could be extremely exhausting both for the riders and for their camels and horses. Most caravans, therefore, left Makka "with the declining day," as the Arabs said, or when the sun had passed the zenith, and the heat was a little less oppressive. Presently one of the outriders of the caravan rang a bell. The bell alerted all travellers that the caravan was ready to march. The crouching camels were made to stand, much against their will, and they showed their displeasure by protesting and snorting but took their position in the long train. About three hours before sunset, the leader of the caravan gave a signal, and the caravan was set in motion. The caravan headed toward the north. The folks and the friends of the travellers lingered for some more time waving at them and watching, as the caravan receded into the distance. When the last camel disappeared beyond the hills, they also dispersed, and went to their homes. The new travellers rode pillion with the experienced travellers who showed them the sights which were familiar to them, and explained their peculiarities to the former. Maysara pointed out many interesting sights to Muhammed. The latter also recognized all the landmarks that he had seen on the road which he had traversed 13 years earlier with his uncle. Nothing had changed in those 13 years. Maysara proved to be a lively companion who could tell many pertinent stories and could recount numerous interesting incidents from his earlier travels. Muhammed found that other travellers were also cordial and friendly. After nearly a month, the caravan arrived at its destination in Syria. Billeting arrangements had already been made for the weary travellers in an inn, and they all wanted to rest after enduring the rigors of a month-long journey over difficult terrain and in searing heat. They could take as much as a week to recuperate their vitality. When the merchants had rested their aching limbs and were refreshed once again, they went into the market-place to dispose of the goods which they had brought from Makka. Some of it they sold against cash, and some of it they bartered for the Syrian goods. They had also to buy merchandize for the home market, and they sought and found many profitable bargains. These transactions could take anywhere from two to four months. Muhammed also sold his cargo and bought new cargo. Though for him it was his first commercial venture, he did not falter, from lack of experience, in conducting business transactions. In fact, he surprised Maysara by his "professionalism" in the trade. Maysara also noted his perspicacity as a negotiator and his acumen and probity as a salesman. Muhammed protected the interests of both his employer and his customers. And yet, he made more profit for Khadija than she had ever made ever since she had taken charge of her father's business at his death. And the cargo he bought in Syria for her, was superb in quality and was certain to fetch high prices in Makka, as it did. In Syria whoever met Muhammed, was impressed by him. He had a striking appearance that made him unforgettable to anyone who saw him once. Though Muhammed was busy in selling, in negotiating, in investigating the market, and in buying, Maysara noted that he nevertheless found time to be alone with himself. For Maysara, these silent sessions of Muhammed were rather mysterious, but he did not interrupt them. He didn't know it then that his young master was in the habit of reflecting on the state and destiny of man. In Syria, Muhammed met many Christians and Jews. He had assumed that each of these two groups would be "monolithic." But to his surprise, they were not. Both of them were splintered into many sub-groups, and the mode of worship of each of them was different from that of the others. Who among them was right and who was wrong? It was a question that intrigued Muhammed. The quest for an answer to this question, and other kindred questions kept him awake at nights when everyone else had gone to sleep. Eventually, when all sale and purchase transactions were completed, and presents for families and friends were procured, the caravan returned to Makka. For the homesick travellers, homecoming is always an occasion for rejoicing. It's an occasion full of anticipation as one is going to meet one's loved ones whom one has missed for many months. The weary travellers cannot wait long enough to hear the merry laughter of their children, and they know that when that heavenly moment comes, they would not be able to withhold their tears, still less to conceal them. They know from long experience that there would be much laughter but also there would be many tears - the tears of joy. Laughter and Tears mixed freely on such blessed and blissful occasions. The arrival of a caravan always generated much excitement in the city. It was, in fact, a festive occasion for everyone living in Makka and the surrounding areas. The "docks" where the "fleets" of the "ships of the desert" (i.e. the camels), unloaded their passengers and cargo, were the scenes of great animation. Most of the citizens and even the roving, nomadic tribesmen, found the hustle and bustle of a newly-arrived caravan a welcome change in the tempo of life. The arrivals and departures of caravans were important events in the lives of the Meccans. Almost everyone in Mecca had some kind of investment in the fortunes of the thousands of camels, the hundreds of men, horses, and donkeys which went out with hides, raisins, and silver bars, and came back with oils, perfumes, and manufactured goods from Syria and Egypt and Persia, and with spices and gold from the south. (The Messenger - the Life of Mohammed, 1946) People came to greet their loved ones who were returning home after an absence of six months. Many among them came with mixed feelings - feelings of hope mixed with feelings of fear. Once anyone left the city with a caravan, there was no way for his folks to know if they would ever see him alive again. Some travellers died on the long journey and were buried in places which were remote, and were inaccessible. Their kith and kin could never visit their graves. And it was only when a caravan arrived that the Makkans could hear news of the world outside the peninsula. The Arabs lived in those days, very much in total isolation from the rest of the world. With that world, they had only one tangible link and that was the caravan. Almost every Makkan invested money in the caravan trade. The rich ones among them could visit foreign countries for extended periods of many months. But people with limited means had to stay home. They, therefore, gave their goods to a trustworthy agent to sell, and they gave him money to buy the goods which were in demand in Arabia but were available only in the markets of Syria, Yemen, Abyssinia and Egypt. When their agents brought those goods to Makka, they sold them and made a profit on their sales. It was a system which, after long years of experience, they had found to be reasonably workable. The merchants and the agents in the caravans also brought back with them exotic gifts and presents for their folks and friends, as per ancient custom. Everyone was eager to see those gifts which conjured up before their eyes the pictures of the riches of Syria and the luxury of the Persian and the Roman Empires. Upon entering Makka, Muhammed first went into the precincts of the Kaaba where he made the customary seven circuits, and then he went to see his employer. He gave her a detailed account of the journey and the business transactions he had conducted on her behal£ Later, he briefed his uncle, Abu Talib, on the highlights of his experience as a trader. Maysara, the slave of Khadija, had his own story to tell her. He told her the story of the journey to and from Syria, and of the profits that Muhammed had made for her. But for him, far more interesting than the story of a successful trading mission, was the character and the personality of Muhammed himself. He was full of admiration for Muhammed's talents as a businessman. He told Khadija that Muhammed's foresight was fail-safe; his judgment was infallible; and his perception was unerring. He also mentioned to her Muhammed's affableness, his courtesy and his condescension. Khadija found the story fascinating, and she posed many questions to Maysara about her new steward, Muhammed. She probably would not be surprised at all if Maysara had told her that Muhammed was the most extraordinary individual he had ever seen and who was capable of doing the most extraordinary things. On the following day, Waraqa bin Naufal came to see Khadija. He too wanted to hear the news that travellers brought from abroad. The news that interested him most was that of the old conflict between the Persian and the Roman Empires. Each of those empires wished to establish its own hegemony over the entire region called the "Fertile Crescent." It is also probable that like other citizens, Waraqa too had invested money in the export and import trade of Makka, and he wanted to know how the caravan had fared business wise. Khadija told her cousin the whole story as she had heard it from Muhammed himself and from Maysara. She also mentioned that her new steward had made unprecedented profits for her. Waraqa also talked with Maysara about the journey and about Muhammed. Maysara, however, wanted to talk only about Muhammed. Nothing else seemed to interest him, business transactions least of all. When Waraqa had heard the long story, he is said to have plunged into deep thought. After a long pause, he said to Khadija: "Judging by what you and Maysara have told me about Muhammed, and also judging from what I know about him, it seems to me that he has all the qualities, attributes, characteristics and potentialities of the messengers of God. He might, in fact, be destined to become one of them in the times to come." By peering into the darkness of pagan Arabia, Waraqa was enabled, perhaps by his prescience, to espy glimmerings of the Light of Islam, soon to appear on the horizon, and in Muhammed perhaps he recognized the Bringer of that Light. Many books on the life of Muhammed Mustafa, the future Prophet of Islam (may Allah bless him and his Ahlel-Bayt) have recorded a number of miracles alleged to have taken place during his journey to, and his sojourn, in Syria. A. Yusuf Ali, the translator and commentator of Quran , writes as follows in this regard: "No apostle performed any Miracle or showed forth any "Signs," except as God willed. God's Will (Mashiyat) is an all-wise, universal Plan, which is not formed for the benefit of one tribe or millat or of one age or country. The greatest Miracle in history was and is the Quran. We can apprehend its beauty and grandeur to-day as much as did the people of Mustafa's day, even more, as our collective knowledge of nature and of God's creation has increased." Elsewhere, A. Yusuf Ali says: "The Signs sent to the holy Prophet Muhammed, were: (1) the Ayats of the Quran, and (2) his life and work, in which God's Plan and Purpose were unfolded." It appears that Muhammed's charm and charisma had worked upon Khadija also. Like Maysara, she too became his admirer, and how could anyone help but become his admirer. Khadija had known him to be a gentle, a modest, a quiet and an unobtrusive young man. She also knew that the Makkans called him Sadiq and Amin. And now he had revealed his ability as a businessman also. His proficiency and savvy were part of his charisma. Her new assessment of Muhammed, therefore, was that he was no mere starry-eyed dreamer but also was a practical man of affairs. This assessment prompted her decision to "draft" Muhammed as the manager of her business in all future expeditions. The commercial expedition of Muhammed to Syria turned out to be the prelude of his marriage with Khadija. The translator and commentator of Quran Majid, Yusuf Ali, poses the following rhetorical question in this context: "Can we wonder at Jacob's re-union with Joseph, or that of Moses with Aaron, or of Muhammad Mustafa with the Lady Khadija?" No. We cannot. It was the decree of Allah that two of his slaves - Muhammed and Khadija - should be united in marriage, and they were. It is reported that one of the close friends of Khadija was a high-born lady of Makka called Nafisa (or Nufaysa) the daughter of Munyah. She was aware that Khadija had turned down many proposals of marriage. At first she wondered if there was any man in Arabia who would come up to the standards set by her. She had discussed the matter many times with Khadija. Finally, she had one more discussion with her which convinced her that she (Khadija) was not impressed by any man's wealth or rank or power. What really impressed Khadija, her friend gathered, was character - a sterling character. Khadija admired only a man of ethical and moral principles. Nafisa (or Nufaysa) also happened to know that there was such a man in Makka and his name was Muhammed. It is reported that one day Muhammed was returning home from the Kaaba when Nafisa stopped him, and the following exchange took place between them: Nafisa: O Muhammed, you are a young man and you are single. Men who are much younger than you, are already married; some even have children. Why don't you marry? Muhammed: I cannot afford to marry; I am not rich enough to marry. Nafisa: What would be your response if you could marry a woman of beauty, wealth, status and honor, notwithstanding your present poverty? Muhammed: Who could be such a woman? Nafisa: Such a woman is Khadija the daughter of Khuwayled. Muhammed: Khadija? How is it possible that Khadija would marry me? You know that many rich and powerful princes and chiefs of tribes proposed to her, and she rebuffed them all. Nafisa: If you are agreeable to marry her, you just say so, and leave the rest to me. I shall arrange everything. Muhammed wished to inform his uncle and guardian, Abu Talib, about Nafisa's demarche, and to consult him in the matter before giving her an answer. Abu Talib knew Khadija as well as he knew his own nephew. He welcomed Nafisa's suggestion. There was no doubt in his mind that Muhammed and Khadija would make the ideal couple. He, therefore, gave his blessings to the proposal of their marriage. Thereupon, Muhammed told Nafisa that her suggestion was acceptable to him and that she had the authority to negotiate, on his behalf, his marriage with Khadija. Once Abu Talib had approved the match, he sent his sister, Safiya, to see Khadija, and to talk with her about the proposed marriage. In the meantime, Nafisa had already done the "groundwork," and Khadija was expecting a visitor from the house of her future in-laws. She cordially received Safiya, entertained her, and told her that she (Khadija) had selected her (Safiya's) nephew to be her (Khadija's) life-partner without any preconditions and reservations. Safiya was very happy with the success of her embassy. Before she left the house, Khadija gave her an elegant robe which she accepted with many expressions of joy and gratitude. Abu Talib then decided to comply with the traditional formalities of marriage. He bought gifts for Khadija, and took his brothers, Abbas and Hamza, with him to her house to formally present to her the proposal of the marriage of his nephew with her. Khadija accepted the gifts that Abu Talib had brought, and of course she accepted the proposal of marriage. The two parties immediately fixed a date for the auspicious wedding. Abu Talib himself took charge of the preparations for the marriage of his beloved nephew. For the blessed occasion, he brought out all the heirlooms of the family and the sacred relics of his forefathers. These included the cloak and the staff of Abdul Muttalib, the late chief of Bani Hashim. The bridegroom put on the cloak and held the staff in his hand. Abu Talib put the black turban of his clan on his (the bridegroom's) head, and a ring of green agate on his finger. The ring, at one time, had belonged to Hashim bin Abd Manaf bin Qusayy. The wedding party was made up of all the chiefs of Quraysh and the lords of Makka. The bridegroom rode a proud and prancing horse, and the young warriors of Bani Hashim brandished gleaming swords high above their heads as they escorted him from the house of Abu Talib to the house of Khadija. The women of the clan had gone ahead of the bridegroom, and were already being entertained in the house of the bride. Khadija's house was illuminated by myriads of lamps. Inside the house, chandeliers hung on golden chains from the ceiling, and each chandelier held seven lamps. The guests arrived in the amber dusk. The chief steward of Khadija's estates had formed a committee for the reception of the bridegroom and the distinguished guests. The members of this committee conducted them inside the house through a high-arched entrance to a rectangular hall whose walls were panelled with tiles and whose ceiling was gilded. They made themselves comfortable on rugs and cushions. For this special occasion, Khadija had ordered a special outfit to be made for all her domestics - male and female. Men were handsomely arrayed in spangled turbans, scarlet tunics, and black sashes around their waists. Attached to their turbans were silk tassels of ivory hue. The girls were wearing decor-blending costumes which dripped with gold and spangles. They were wearing coronets on the head and ropes of pearls and rivers of crystals. Their hair, cascading from the head to the shoulders and from the shoulders down to the waist, was braided with pearls. The decor of the chamber of the bride was exquisite and was in fact, unsurpassable in taste and skill. The hangings of silk and brocade in many delicate tints, draped the walls; and a white velvet carpet covered the floor. The smoke of incense rose from a goblet of silver sparkling with diamonds, blue sapphires and balas rubies. Khadija, the bride, sat on a high dais placed under a richly embroidered canopy. She looked radiant and resplendent like the rising sun itself. On her head she was wearing a crown of gold and pearls of amazing orient and beauty. Her dress, in subtle shades of crimson and green, was shot with gold, and was set with pearls and emeralds. There were two maids in personal attendance on her; each was wearing a diadem of gold, an amethyst silken dress, and jewel-studded slippers. When all the guests had taken their seats, Abu Talib, the guardian of the bridegroom, rose to read the sermon of marriage as follows: All glory and all praise to Allah, the Creator of Heavens and earth, and all thanks to Him for all His blessings, bounties and mercy. He sent us into this world in the posterity of Ibrahim and Ismael. He put us in charge of the Mosque and made us guardians of His House, the Kaaba, which is a sanctuary for all His creatures. After this exordium, Abu Talib continued: My nephew, Muhammed ibn Abdullah ibn Abdul Muttalib, is the best individual in all mankind in his intelligence, in wisdom, in purity of lineage, in purity of his personal life, and in distinction of family. He has all the markings of a man destined to be great. He is marrying Khadija the daughter of Khuwayled against a meher of four hundred pieces of gold. I declare Muhammed and Khadija husband and wife. May Allah bless them both, and may He be their Protector. In his sermon, Abu Talib declared that the Bani Hashim were the heirs of Ibrahim and Ismael, and were the carriers of their heritage. They were, therefore, uncontaminated by idolatry. When Abu Talib concluded his sermon, Waraqa bin Naufal rose to read the marriage sermon on behalf of the bride. He said: All praise and glory to Allah. We testify and we affirm that the Bani Hashim are just as you have claimed. No one can deny their excellence. Because of their excellence, we cherish the marriage of Khadija and Muhammed. Their marriage unites our two houses, and their union is a source of great happiness to us. O Lords of Quraysh, I want you to be witnesses that I give Khadija in marriage to Muhammed ibn Abdullah against a meher of four hundred pieces of gold. May Allah make their marriage a happy one. (M. Shibli, the Indian historian, says in his Seera that the meher of Hadret Khadija was five hundred pieces of gold). Amr bin Asad, the aged uncle of Khadija, also spoke on the occasion, and he affirmed, in his own words, what Waraqa b. Naufal, had said. And it was he who, as guardian of the bride, gave her away to Muhammed ibn Abdullah. Abu Talib paid the meher for his nephew. At home and abroad, in peace and war, Abu Talib, the most respected of Mohammed's uncles, was the guide and guardian of his youth; in his 25th year he entered into the service of Khadija, rich and noble widow (sic) of Mecca, who soon rewarded his fidelity with the gift of her hand and fortune. The marriage contract, in the simple style of antiquity, recites the mutual love of Mohammed and Khadija; describes him as the most accomplished of the tribe of Koreish; and stipulates a dowry of twelve ounces of gold and twenty camels, which was supplied by the liberality of his uncle. (The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire) Khadija was filled with a lively faith in the superhuman merits of her youthful steward, Mohammed. At her nuptials, Haleema, who had nursed Mohammed in his infancy, was summoned and was presented with a flock of forty sheep. (The Life of Mohammed) All the guests congratulated Muhammed Mustafa on his wedding and expressed their best wishes for his happiness. They also congratulated his uncle, Abu Talib, on the auspicious occasion. Both thanked their guests cordially. When these ceremonies were over, the major-domo ordered the slaves to spread out the banquet. The banquet was a gustatorial extravaganza such as no one had ever seen in Makka. The guests feasted upon delicacies each of which was a masterpiece of the culinary art. They slaked their thirst with delectable drinks laced with lotus nectar. After the feast, each guest was invested with a robe of honor, in conformity with the ancient custom of the Arabian aristocracy. Presently, the major-domo announced that the bride was ready to depart. A richly-caparisoned she-camel, carrying a white pavilion on her back, was waiting at the gate of the house. All the guests gathered in the foyer to see the bride being escorted to the gate. Her maids assisted her in climbing into the bridal pavilion. One of the maidservants sat in the pavilion with the bride. Resting upon her head was a floral tiara, and her hair was threaded with blue ribbons and strands of lustrous pearls. She was wearing bracelets of agate, coral and rock crystal, and she held a jewelled fan in her hand. A team of Nubian slaves carrying flambeaus, marched in front and on the right and the left sides of the she-camel. The bridegroom also mounted his horse, and he, his uncles, the young men of Bani Hashim and their guests, returned to the house of Abu Talib in the same panoply as they had gone earlier that day to the house of the bride. When this torch-lit procession arrived at the house of Abu Talib, his wife and sisters assisted the bride in dismounting from the she-camel. A chamberlain held a parasol of white silk over her head, and conducted her into the inner apartments of the house. Everything went off with perfect precision. Coordination was superb from beginning to end. The marriage of Muhammed and Khadija had brought happiness to everyone but the happiness of Abu Talib knew no bounds. He had been very anxious that his nephew should have a good wife. This anxiety turned into pure and undiluted joy when his nephew and Khadija were married. There could not have been a better match. Abu Talib thanked Allah for the new happiness he had found, and his happiness was shared by his brothers, Abbas an~ Hamza, and all other members of the clan of Hashim. Three days after the marriage, Abu Talib made arrangements for a banquet to mark the occasion called since then "the feast of walima." He dazzled the whole city by his liberality. At the feast, every resident of Makka was his guest. Muhammed, the bridegroom, was himself welcoming the guests into the house. He himself, his uncles, his cousins and all the young men of Bani Hashim, were the proud hosts. The banquet lasted for three days. Years later, Islam made the feast of walima a "memorial" to the banquet of Abu Talib at the marriage of Muhammed and Khadija, instituting it as a tradition of all Muslim marriages. Abu Talib was the first man to arrange it. Before the marriage of Muhammed and Khadija, the feast of walima was not known to anyone in Arabia. Abu Talib must have wished that his beloved brother, Abdullah and his wife, Amina, may Allah bless them, were also present to witness and to bless the marriage of their son, and to share his (Abu Talib's) happiness. But even if Abdullah and Amina had been present, the marriage of their son could not have been celebrated with more pomp and pageantry than it was with Abu Talib as his (Muhammed's) guardian. Next it was Khadija's turn to show generosity and hospitality. Generosity and hospitality were her old "addictions." And what occasion could be more appropriate or propitious for her than her own marriage to satisfy this propensity? She, therefore, ordered her major-domo to make arrangements for the most elaborate banquet in the history of Makka. It was a banquet that was truly memorable. Even the beggars of Makka and the wandering tribesmen and women were not excluded from the list of guests. They feasted on delicacies which they had never seen before. Those Arabs of the desert who had never tasted anything but brackish or rank water all their lives, drank rose water as the guests of Khadija. For many days the guests - rich and poor, high and low, lord and lackey, young and old - were fed in her house. To the poor guests, Khadija gave pieces of gold and silver and clothes, and she filled the houses of many widows and orphans with the necessities of life which they didn't have before. Khadija had spent many years of her life waiting for the ideal man to come. Her long wait was at last rewarded when Muhammed came along, and they were united in holy wedlock. The marriage of Muhammed and Khadija was the first and the last of its kind in the world. It was the only marriage in the whole world which abounded in heavenly blessings as well as material blessings. It was a marriage which was immeasurably and incalculably rich in the blessings of both the heaven and the earth. It is entirely probable that in Arabia, no woman ever brought so much dowry with her into the house of her husband as Khadija did. It included slaves, slave girls, real estate, pasture lands, herds of camels and horses, flocks of goats and sheep, and her personal outfit of rich and rare fabrics, accessories, priceless heirlooms, ornaments, precious metals, precious stones and masses of gold and silver coins. This dowry, unprecedented as it was for its quality and its quantity, was not a gift to Khadija - the bride - from her uncles or from her brothers. It was the product of her own efforts. She had produced it by her own diligence, industry, prudence, and foresight. But these were not the only riches that Khadija brought with her. She also brought the riches of heart and mind, and these were immeasurable and inexhaustible. In the years to come she immeasurably enriched the life of her husband with these gifts. Once Khadija was married, she appears to have lost interest in her mercantile ventures and in her commercial empire. Marriage changed the character of her dedication and commitment. She had found Muhammed Mustafa, the greatest of all treasures in the world. Once she found him, gold, silver and diamonds lost their value for her. Muhammed Mustafa, the future Messenger of Allah and the future Prophet of Islam, became the one object of all her affection, attention and devotion. Of course, she never lost her genius for organization, but now instead of applying it to her business, she applied it to the service of her husband. She reorganized her whole life around the personality of Muhammed Mustafa. (Khadija could not wind up her wide-ranging commercial operations abruptly. She had to phase them out. By degrees, therefore, she phased out the export-and-import business which her father had founded.) In the years following his marriage, Muhammed travelled again with Khadija's caravans to Syria. M. Shibli, the Indian historian, says that he also went to Yemen. Wherever he went, he made profits. Khadija also recruited other managers who sold her merchandize or bought merchandise for her, and they too made profits for her. But the emphasis had shifted; instead of expanding her business as she had done in the years before her marriage, Khadija began, gradually, to curtail her commitments until all her merchandize was sold, and she had recovered all her investments. When the Princess of Makka entered the house of her husband, Muhammed Mustafa, the most successful and the happiest phase of life began for her. This phase lasted 25 years - until her death. She immediately adapted her life to the new environment. From the very first day, she took charge of her new duty which was to make the life of her husband happy and pleasant. In carrying out this duty, she was eminently successful, as the history of later times has eloquently borne witness. Marriage opened a new chapter for both Muhammed and Khadija in their life. The keynote of this "chapter" was happiness - the purest kind of happiness. Blessed with happiness as their marriage was, it was also blessed with children. Their first-born was a boy called Qasim. It was after the birth of the infant Qasim that his father, Muhammed Mustafa, was called Abul-Qasim - the father of Qasim - as per the custom of the Arabs. The second child was also a boy. His name was Abdullah. He bore the nicknames of Tahir and Tayyeb. Both Qasim and Abdullah died in their infancy. The third and the last and the only surviving child of Muhammed Mustafa and Khadija was their daughter, Fatima Zahra. Though the gifts which Allah had bestowed upon them, were many, there was none that they treasured more than their daughter. She was the "light of the eyes" of her father, and she was the "comfort of his heart." She was also the future "Lady of Heaven." The father and mother showered their love upon her, and she brought hope and happiness and the blessings and the mercy of Allah with her into their home.
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said"Arabians pagans wouldn't do this with a person who was against their beliefs -- Muhammad was certainly part of their community who believed and did UNEDUCATED things. They were ALL ummiyiin/gentiles." AHMED IS and worse than JEWS AND CHRISTIANS for their hatred and POSITION OF THE PROPHET. This is A brief COPY OF REBUILDING THE KA'BAH and the ARBITRATION OF THE PROPHET(SCW): "When they Started rebuilding its walls, they devided the works among the tribes. Each tribe was responsible for rebuilding a part of it. The man who laid the stones was a roman mason called Baqum. The work went on in harmony till the time came to put the sacred Blabk Stone in its proper place. Then strife broke out AMONG THE CHIEFS, and lasted for four or five days, each contesting for the honor of placing the Black Stone on its proper place. Daggers were on the point of being drawn and great bloodshed seemed imminent. Luckily, the oldest man among the chiefs made a proposal which was accepted by all. He said."Let him who enters the sanctuary first of ALL, decide on the point." It was Allah's will that the first to enter the mosque to be the MESSENGER of ALLAH. On seeing MOHAMMED, all people among the tribes shouted in one VOICE "AL-AMIIN" "THE TRUSTWORTHY" has come. We are content to abide by his decision" The poit is IF MOHAMMED ENGAGED as AHMED(LACANAHULLAH) said THE MESSENGER ENGAGED IN, they would not have trusted him because he would be among them, just doing thier filth and ignorance but he was HIGHER IN STATUS even among those who hated HIM MOST. Opposite to AHMED'S weak and PERVERTED ACCUSATION THAT THE PROPHET ENGAGED IN "IDOL WORSHIP, WAS A SINNER AND UDELTEROUS LIKE THE REST OF HIS PEOPLE WERE". Ahmed GAAL would go any measure to call people TO HIS SATANIC PROPHET by APPLYING FILTHY SPOTS ON THE PROPHET'S HISTORY and attack him personally WHEN ALLAH DECLARED HIM TO BE "THE HIGHEST IN AKHLAAQ" and the prophet himslef told us "ALLAH HAS STRAIGHTENED MY MORALITY AND MADE IT BEST". AHMED dulli, markii lagaa qaadan waayey BAKHTIGAAGA AAD LA DHEX WAREEGEYSO DADKA RASUULKA ILAAHEY CEY OO AFLAGAADEE MEESHEY KAA SOO SAARTO AAN ARAGNO.
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalaamu Alaykum All i just wanted to comment was that we are all Muslims, and I think that with all these divisions between us it makes us vulnerable to attack by the kafirs. There is too much name calling and mocking going on in here. We have to show these ppl that we are strong and that we are banded together. So please stop the bickering. PS: who is this Rashad, you keep mentioning???
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| | Unrecorded Date "Who is this Rashad, you keep mentioning???" He was a false messenger of Islam, can you believe that?
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| | Unrecorded Date LET MOHAMMED SPEAK(SCW). Let the PROPHET speak about people who invent new things into ISLAM for any reason either TWISTED like AHMED or Sincere like AL-FIRAQ. Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar) and some men amongst you will be brought to me, and when I will try to hand them some water, they will be pulled away from me by force whereupon I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' Then the Almighty will say, 'You do not know what they did after you left, they introduced new things into the religion after you.'" So anybody who invents new things or calling for them will go to HELL and no one can help including the prophet. - A jew man understands better THAN AHMED SUBMITTER the following verse and its golden meaning:- Narrated Tariq bin Shihab: A Jew said to 'Umar, "O Chief of the Believers, if this verse: 'This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favors upon you, and have chosen for you, Islam as your religion.' (5.3) had been revealed upon us, we would have taken that day as an 'Id (festival) day." 'Umar said, "I know definitely on what day this Verse was revealed; it was revealed on the day of 'Arafat, on a Friday." -We have anything we need in our ISLAM and no need for RASHAD or any other KADDAAB. Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab: Abu Huraira said that Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with 'Jawami-al-Kalim ' (the shortest expression with the widest meaning) and have been made victorious with awe (cast in my enemy's hearts), and while I was sleeping, I saw that the keys of the treasures of the world were placed in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has gone, and you people are utilizing those treasures, or digging those treasures out." or said a similar sentence." -Xaddiiskaan aad ugu fiirsada, AHMED said Quran only and MOHAMMED says Muslims learn from BOTH so my question is WHO IS LYING?. Ahmed or Mohammed?. Narrated Hudhaifa: Allah's Apostle said to us, "Honesty descended from the Heavens and settled in the roots of the hearts of men (faithful believers), and then the Quran was revealed and the people read the Quran, (and learnt it from it) and also learnt it from the Sunna." Both Quran and Sunna strengthened their (the faithful believers') honesty. (See Hadith No. 208) -Mohammed's source was the QURAN and never invented his own, that makes all his actions and judgements based on QURAN. Out is the satanic claim of AHMED SUBMITTER hadith is evil. Narrated Abu Huraira and Zaid bin Khalid: We were with the Prophet when he said (to two men), "I shall judge between you according to Allah's Book (Laws)." -If you disbelieve MOHAMMED and FOLLOW RASHAD like AHMED wants us to DO, THEN YOU FALL INTO THIS EXAMPLE so beware!. Narrated Abu Musa: The Prophet said, "My example and the example of what I have been sent with is that of a man who came to some people and said, 'O people! I have seen the enemy's army with my own eyes, and I am the naked warner; so protect yourselves!' Then a group of his people obeyed him and fled at night proceeding stealthily till they were safe, while another group of them disbelieved him and stayed at their places till morning when the army came upon them, and killed and ruined them completely So this is the example of that person who obeys me and follows what I have brought (the Quran and the Sunna), and the example of the one who disobeys me and disbelieves the truth I have brought." -True MUSLIMS uphold QURAN+SUNNA period as the prophet spoke of them as WINNERS and PREDOMINANT. Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba: The Prophet said, "A group of my followers will remain predominant (victorious) till Allah's Order (the Hour) comes upon them while they are still predominant (victorious)." -Remember AHMED told us WE PRAY like a famous jew did or referred us to his DIAGRAM of prayers?. Even if the jew guy was RIGHT this is our POSITION. Narrated Abu Huraira: The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's Apostle said (to the Muslims). "Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.' " all AHADITH are from BUKHARI INSHALLAH. I copied them.
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| | Unrecorded Date salaamu calaykum Liman tabaca hudaa, First and formostly Jazaakalaah brother Umar and Bashir abdi for your outstanding work. Secondly Ahmad-Gaal is always in troublem..... nothing, but just with his theories and explanations. whenever he is in stack , he jump to another issues and so on. I am pretty sure that he has missed to understood the totallity of islam, let alone the the reasons of the prophethood and teaching of qu'an in generally. The only picture he have from islam is that Muhammed (ppuh) isn't last messenger??? and Rashad or whatever he call him is messenger!!!! is't so Ahmad-gaal?
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "God tells Muhammad in the Qur`an; "Did He not find you orphan and give you shelter? He found you erring and guided you! He found you poor and made you rich!"(93: 6-8) When one reads that book -- when understands clearly these verses...as they explain what Muhammad went through." No, the verse "93:6-8" does NOT say that Muhammad was a PAGAN. Muhammad "went through" NO idol worship in his life time. Allah was GUIDING AND PROTECTING his future messenger from infant to prophethood and messengerhood. "The infant Muhammed was, some day, going to be handpicked by Allah Ta'ala to be His Messenger to the whole world, and he was going to change the destiny and the history of mankind forever. In A.D. 570, Abdullah, the father of Muhammad, went to Syria with a caravan. A few months before his departure to Syria, he had been married to Amina bint Wahab, a lady of Yathrib (Medina). On his return journey from Syria, Abdullah fell ill and died. He was only 17 years old at his death. When he left Makka, his wife was pregnant, and she was living in the house of her brother-in-law, Abu Talib. Two months after the death of Abdullah, her child - a boy - was born. His grandfather, Abdul Muttalib, gave him the name Muhammed. Muhammed was born on June 8, 570, in the house of his uncle, Abu Talib, in Makka. Muhammed was six years old when his mother, Amina the daughter of Wahab, died, after a brief illness. Upon her death, his grandfather, Abdul Muttalib, took him to his home. But only two years had passed when Abdul Muttalib also died. Abdul Muttalib had ten sons. When he was on his deathbed, he called all of them, and designated his son, Abu Talib, as the new chief of the clan of Bani Hashim. He also made Abu Talib the guardian of Muhammed. Both Abu Talib and Abdullah, the father of Muhammed, were the sons of the same mother, whereas Abdul Muttalib's other sons were born of his other wives. Abu Talib brought Muhammed into his house. Muhammed came, he saw and he conquered - all. Abu Talib and his wife lavished all their love upon him. They loved him more than they loved their own children. Muhammed was born in their house. His birth in their house had made it a house of many blessings; and now, after the death of Abdul Muttalib, he had returned to it. When Muhammed was a child, he didn't show any interest in the toys and the frolics of children. In his boyhood, he didn't show any interest in games and sports, or in the company of other boys of his own age. As young as he was, he preferred solitude to company. Arabia at this time was a pagan society, and the Arabs worshipped a multitude of idols and fetishes who, they believed, had the power to bring good fortune to them. But their idolatry was crude and primitive, and their habits, customs and characteristics were repulsive. Drunkenness was one of their many vices, and they were incorrigible gamblers. They were wallowing in a pit of error and ignorance. Quran Majid has borne testimony to their condition in the following verse: IT IS HE WHO HAS SENT AMONGST THE UNLETTERED AN APOSTLE FROM AMONG THEMSELVES, TO REHEARSE TO THEM HIS SIGNS, TO SANCTIFY THEM, AND TO INSTRUCT THEM IN SCRIPTURE AND WISDOM, - ALTHOUGH THEY HAD BEEN, BEFORE, IN MANIFEST ERROR; (Chapter 62; verse 2) But the country was not altogether devoid of individuals who found idolatry repugnant. These individuals, who were very few in number, were called "Hanifs," i.e., men and women "who had turned away from idol worship." Makka also had a sprinkling of these "hanifs," and some of them were in the clan of Khadija herself. One of them was her first cousin, Waraqa bin Naufal. Waraqa was the eldest of all his siblings, and his hair had all turned grey. He castigated the Arabs for worshipping idols and for deviating from the true faith of their forebears - the prophets Ibrahim (Abraham) and Ismael. Ibrahim and Ismael had taught the lesson of Tauheed - the doctrine of the Unity of the Creator. But the Arabs had forgotten that lesson, and had become polytheists. Waraqa despised them for their polytheism and their moral turpitude. He did not drink and he did not gamble. And he was generous to the poor and the needy. One of the most hideous customs of the Arabs of the times was that they buried their female infants alive. Whenever Waraqa heard that someone intended to bury his daughter alive, he went to see him, dissuaded him from killing his daughter, and if the reason for the contemplated murder was poverty, he ransomed her, and brought her up as his own child. In most cases, the father later regretted his error, and came to claim his daughter. Waraqa exacted from him a pledge to love his daughter, and to treat her well, and only then let him take her back. Waraqa lived in the twilight of the pagan world. That world was soon going to be flooded with the Light of Islam - the Religion of Allah, par excellence - the Pristine Faith, first promulgated, many centuries earlier, by Ibrahim (Abraham), the Friend and Messenger of Allah. Allah had already chosen His slave, Muhammed Mustafa ibn Abdullah, of the clan of Bani Hashim, to be His new and His last Messenger to the world. The latter was living in Makka at the same time as Waraqa but had not proclaimed his mission yet. Waraqa was one of the very few people in Makka who were educated. He is reported to have translated the Bible from Hebrew into Arabic. He had also read other books written by the Jewish and Christian theologians. He was a desperate seeker of truth in the darkness of a world growing darker, and longed to find it before his own death, but did not know how. Khadija was strongly influenced by the ideas of Waraqa, and she shared his contempt for the idols and the idolaters. Arabia, before Islam, had no political organization in any form, and had no basic structure of any kind. There were no courts or police or a system of justice. Therefore, there was no apparatus to control crime, or to inhibit criminals. If an Arab committed a crime, he didn't feel any remorse. Instead, he boasted that he was capable of being utterly reckless, brutal and ruthless. The whole peninsula was a masculine-dominated society. A woman had no status whatsoever. Khadija's mother had died in or around A D. 575; and Khuwayled, her father, died in or around AD. 585. Upon his death, his children inherited his fortune, and divided it among themselves. Wealth has its own perils. It can tempt one to live a life of idleness and luxury. Khadija subconsciously understood the ambivalent character of wealth, and made up her mind not to let it make her an idler. She was endowed with such extraordinary intelligence and force of character that she overcame the challenge of prosperity, and decided to build an empire upon her patrimony. She had many siblings but among all of them, she alone had "inherited" their father's ability to become rich. But she demonstrated very soon that even if she had not inherited a fortune from her father, she would have made one for herself. After the death of Khuwayled, Khadija took charge of the family business, and rapidly expanded it. With the profits she made, she helped the poor, the widows, the orphans, the sick and the disabled. If there were any poor girls, Khadija married them off, and gave them dowry. One of her uncles acted as her adviser in business matters, and other members of the family also assisted her in the management of business if and when she sought their assistance. But she didn't depend upon anyone else to make her decisions. She trusted her own judgment even though she welcomed advice and considered it. The senior members of her family knew that one thing she didn't like was paternalism. Most of the traders who had cargo to sell in Syria or Yemen, travelled with the caravans to oversight all transactions in person. But there were occasions when a trader was unable to leave Makka. In such an event, he engaged a man to go in his stead, with the caravan. The man chosen for this purpose, had to be one with good reputation for his probity and for his sound business sense. Such a man was called an agent or a manager. Khadija herself was a homebody and her brothers and cousins also did not show any interest in travelling with the caravans. She, therefore, recruited an agent whenever a caravan was outfitted to go abroad, and made him responsible for carrying her merchandize to the foreign markets and for selling it in those markets. By judicious selection of her agents, and by selling and buying at the right time and at the right place, she was able to make fantastic profits, and in due course, became the richest merchant in Makka. Ibn Sa'ad says in his Tabqaat that whenever caravans of the Makkan merchants set out on their journey, the cargo of Khadija alone was equal to the cargo of all other merchants of Quraysh put together. She had, it was obvious to everyone, the proverbial "golden touch." If she touched dust, it turned into gold. The citizens of Makka, therefore, bestowed upon her the title of the Princess of the QuMysh. They also called her the Princess of Makka. Many Arabs believed that women were bringers of bad luck. In general, they treated women more like chattel than like individuals. A man could marry any number of women he liked. And when he died, his eldest son "inherited" all of them except his own mother. In other words, he married all his step-mothers. Such a thing as a code of ethics simply did not exist to inhibit him in any way. Islam placed this foul practice under proscription. The pre-Islamic Arabs were semi-savages. An Arab spent his life in lawless warfare. Killing and plundering were his favorite professions. He tortured his prisoners of war to death, and torturing animals was one of his favorite pastimes. He had a perverse sense of honor which led him to kill his own infant daughters. If his wife gave birth to a daughter, he was unable to conceal his anguish and displeasure. WHEN NEWS IS BROUGHT TO ONE OF THEM, OF (THE BIRTH OF) A FEMALE (CHILD), HIS FACE DARKENS, AND HE IS FILLED WITH INWARD GRIEF! WITH SHAME DOES HE HIDE HIMSELF FROM HIS PEOPLE, BECAUSE OF THE BAD NEWS HE HAS HAD! SHALL HE RETAIN IT ON (SU~RANCE AND) CONTEMPT, OR BURY IT IN THE DUST? AH! WHAT AN EVIL (CHOICE) THEY DECIDE ON. (Quran Majid. Chapter 16; verses 58, 59) In most cases an Arab killed his daughter out of his fear that she would be made a prisoner in the inter-tribal wars, and therefore, a slave of the enemy, and her status as a slave would bring disgrace to his family and tribe. He could also kill her out of his fear of poverty. He believed that his daughter would become an economic liability to him. Islam made the killing of children a capital offence. KILL NOT YOUR CHILDREN FOR FEAR OF WANT: WE SHALL PROVIDE SUSTENANCE FOR THEM AS WELL AS FOR YOU. VERILY THE KILLING OF THEM IS A GREAT SIN. (Quran Majid. Ch. 17; verse 31) There were also those Arabs who did not kill their daughters but they deprived them of all their rights. They figured that since their daughters, when married, would go to other men's homes, they ought not to spend anything on them. It was such an environment in which Khadija was born, grew up and lived - an "anti-woman~ environment. From her home in Makka, Khadija controlled an ever-growing business which spread into the neighboring countries. What she had succeeded in achieving, would be remarkable in any country, in any age, and for anyone - man or woman. But her achievement becomes doubly remarkable when one takes into account the "anti-woman" orientation of the Arab society. This is proof of her ability to master her destiny by her intelligence, strength of will and force of character. Her compatriots acknowledged her achievements when they called her the princess of the Quraysh and the princess of Makka, as noted before. But even more remarkably, Khadija also earned a third title. She was called "Tahira" which means "the pure one." Who bestowed the title of Tahira upon her? Incredibly, it was bestowed upon her by the same Arabs who were notorious for their arrogance, conceit, vanity and male chauvinism. But Khadija's conduct was so consistently exemplary that it won recognition even from them, and they called her "the pure one." It was the first time in the history of Arabia that a woman was called the Princess of Makka and was also called Tahira. The Arabs called Khadija the princess of Makka because of her affluence, and they called her Tahira because of the immaculacy of her reputation. They were also aware that she was a highly cultivated lady. She was thus a personage of distinction even in the times before Islam - the Times of Ignorance. It was inevitable that Khadija would attract the attention of the Arab nobles and princes. Many among them sent proposals of marriage to her. But she did not consider any of them. Many of these nobles and princes were persistent in seeking her hand in marriage. Not discouraged by her refusal, they sought out men and women of influence and prestige to intercede for them with her. But she still spurned them all. She perhaps didn't attach much importance to the guardians of the male-dominated and "anti-woman" society. Khadija's refusal to accept the offers of marriage sent by the high and the mighty of Arabia, gave rise to much speculation as to what kind of man she would like to marry. It was a question that Khadija herself could not answer. But her destiny knew the answer; she would marry a man who was not only the best in all Arabia but was also the very best in all creation. It was her destiny which prompted her to turn down offers of marriage sent by commonplace mortals."
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| | Unrecorded Date Assalamun calaa mani Tabacal hudaa! "And whomsoever Allah wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islam, and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and onstricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky..." [Quran 6:125] To My brothers/Sisters in Islam May Allah rewards you all, Omar, Bashir Abdi, Caraweelo and the rest of the brothers/sisters here by your great efforts to shed light on things for this "Lost Soul" Ahmed Logico and his new "amigos" Abdi (from free-minders).
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| | Unrecorded Date asalamu alaykum muslims, brothers and sisters do you think it is worth to waste so much energy to a lier and a big hypocriet like 'AHMED' kadaab. you can't guide anyone allah guids who he wants so this lier won't get far with his lie becouse it didn't work for the 'shii't' sec and the 'ahmadiya' sect who tried for very long to discredit our prophet but alhamdulilah didn't succeed in doing that. it may be new to us since we didn't had 'kadaabiin' like this one before but to the muslim world they are known well and they can't hide their true identity. i have also noticed that some brothers don't say ' peace be upon him' when they mention the prophet, remember that is the least we can do for some who has suffered so much to bring the massage of allah "swt" to us. As for the KADAAB he has to answer to allah on a day when there are no more lies to be told. To call the same name as our prophet "AHMED" to some one like this indivitual is its self AWKWARD enough. peace to the people of our beloved prophet muhammed ' salalahu Calayhi Wasalim". May allah curse those who invent lie on his prophet, thinking they are more intellegent than the most intellegent people the world had EVER known who not only spent a livetime to verify every haddit but used their high intellence to understand its meaning. My question is how come that someone like this one can come with zero knowlage and claim the whole haddits of the prophet are invalid,on what authority can he say such a thing? it really puzzels me!! Sheikh albani (R.L), very brilliant learned person, spent almost a lifetime to investigate the haddits and their sources. and you can read in his books what he says about the haddits of our prophet. What is this man's knowlage of the haddits, or the quran or whatever in that matter. May allah curse the jahiliin who, after reading few books, think they are people with knowlage and start to INSULT our prophet (PBUH). PLEASE LET US NOT TAKE THIS LIGHTLY, TO INSULT THE PROPHET (pbuh) IS A GREAT SIN!
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, Hehehehe! See, Haykal WAS a renowed Muslim writter -- who SUNNIS trust his work. This is certainly not the point. THE point is -- that he delivers a less ommited history than his fellow muslim "historians". While he tries his very best NOT to say that Muhammad was in idol-worship before God had found him, he potrays the stories without him -- but odds "NONE of the Quraishi people in makkah were gone" or similar to this phrase...where the reader gets the clear picture that Muhammad, a quraishi, was part of it too. A famous event -- which he writes in his book is the celebration of the goddess al `Uzza...where the Quraish tribe held it at a place called "Nakhalah". During this time -- Muhammad is married to Khadijah -- and not yet appointed as a Messenger. GUESS what? Only four "failed to show up" -- and these four Quraishis were Zayd ibn `Amr, `Uthman ibn al Huwayrith, `Ubayd Allah ibn Jahsh, and Waraqah ibn Nawfal. Participating in a "goddess" day celebration sure sounds very IDOL-WORSHIP to me. Please check his book "hayat muhammad"(Life of Muhammad) Chapter 4, page 67. In next page, Haykal says; "years passed while Muhammad participated in the public life of Makkah" thus -- Muhammad sure had participated their public life. And we all know what their public life surrounded. You're trying to make Muhammad an outsider to Meccans...and nothing can be more farther from the Truth. I said before and I will say it again, this has NOTHING to do with his messengership -- anything and everything he did before his messengership was forgiven. IF as you say, Muhammad was protected from evil since birth -- God would say so in the Qur`an. God says in the Qur`an; "HE FOUND YOU ERRING...AND GUIDED YOU TO THE TRUTH"(93.7) Thus, a child...cannot be "erring" -- a child is guided. Every child is guided until the child errs later when he grows up. So, Muhammad was certainly erring...until God guided him. This makes him a HUMAN Messenger -- whom God chose "AMONG" us. You know, Umar -- when Muhammad is asked to say; "I'm nothing but a messenger" I feel like he's talking to some of today's muslims who think he was just a little bit more than that -- say...oh -- a divine. ;) You said, regarding salat: [Ahmed said "AS for salat, since you won't quit(WHICH I know why you're doing!) I will tell you again -- that Salat like any other thing in life...was corrupted -- and the things corrupted were CORRECTED in the Qur`an. And what was not -- means was correct. Yes, Ibraahim MADE the perfect SALAAT and yes, Muhammad also MADE the perfect SALAAT; the way Ibraahim and Muhammad MADE SALAAT was NOT corrupted---And that is NOT the point. However, the point(WHICH AHMED knows why I’m pointing out) is his hypocrisy. WHERE IN THE QURAN IS THE FORMULA OF SALAAT?----that is the point---a point which Ahmed is avoiding to address.] About Salat, let me ask you this -- please tell me where...even in the hadiths that "GOD" tells Muhammad to do prayers in a formula way. I mean -- forget about what "muhammad did" -- I mean...where GOD tells him to do so certain way. We ONLY have people telling us "how" the Prophet did. So, tell me -- where exactly did he get this from? AND, if God, where is it...recorded? This is because Muhammad ONLY practiced as everyone else -- except he did it THE WAY the Qur`an says so...and not all the way they did it. The Qur`an records all "the times"...and who "to address it to," etc...which is JUST what was corrupted. ALSO, can you please -- anywhere in the Qur`an, tell me where God tells us that Muhammad teaches the Arabians "how" to pray? ALSO, Abraham did NOT just made the salat "perfect" like if it was practiced before him -- he brought it to the world. With Ishmael, then young, Abraham built the Ka`bah -- and prostrates/bowes...and asks God to accept it from them. And Abraham leaves this legacy to his progeny(INCLUDING Arabs -- through Ishmael and Kedar!)...and God says "so did Jacob"(telling us that it was left for the Israelites, as well!) God later tells us that "Jacob's progeny" came people who forgot the Salat...and neglected it. No where in the Qur`an does God tell us Arabs "forgot" it -- but He tells us that THEY CORRUPTED IT. God teaches us THIS -- in Suratul Baqarah and Suratul Maryam! NOW, about this discussion; messengers/prophets. Please, read the following verse, carefully; [2.136 Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) PROPHETS from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we submit to Allah (in Islám)."] Who is given to "revelations"??? NOT Messengers...but "PROPHETS". WHY, oh why - I wonder!hahaha! According to you -- NOT all prophets were given "revelations"...but all Messengers were, right? I mean, why bother saying "and that given to (all) prophets" then? Why not just say "to (all) Messengers" instead? Visit the link where Yusuf Ali translates it like this; http://www.orst.edu/groups/msa/quran/quran/2.html#136 Shouldn't God say; "and that given to some prophets" if not all Prophets got revelations??? Jamila, Who is Rashad? Rashad was a suffi guy who claimed to be a "Messenger" from God. His father was so big in suffism...that his tomb in Egypt is being visited and asked for intercession, etc etc etc. A siyarah(sorta hajj) is made to his tomb. His father was like "Sheikh Jeylaani" or Sheikh Bahlul -- who was followed around like a Pharaoh. Peace and Love to all Muslims, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "Hehehehe! See, Haykal WAS a renowed Muslim writter -- who SUNNIS trust his work." Well, Ahmed is so full it that he does not know we do not trust him or whoever he relying on. The only people who trust “his story” about Muhammad are Ahmed and the submitters. I mean how can the we SUNNIS *trust* what someone says about our messenger if the things he said about Muhammad are not the truth and are not even what believe or say ourselves about our messenger! We Sunnis have recorded true history of Muhammad’s life----—from childhood to the day he died. There is no record of “Muhammad ever bowing before any idol or doing any act repugnant to Quran. "It appears that Quran was etched on the heart of Muhammed from beginning to end, and it also appears that he "preached" Islam even before the Proclamation but only through his deeds and not with his words. His deeds were just as eloquent as his speeches, and they proclaimed to the world what manner of man he was. After all, it were the pagans who called him Sadiq (=Truthful) and Amin (=Trustworthy), and they were the same people who, in later years, persecuted him, hunted him, banished him, and set a price on his head. Muhammed's demeanor preached a silent sermon!" Ahmed said "IF as you say, Muhammad was protected from evil since birth -- God would say so in the Qur`an. God says in the Qur`an; "HE FOUND YOU ERRING...AND GUIDED YOU TO THE TRUTH"(93.7)" Well, that verse does NOT say that Muhammad was worshipping idols or was a pagan. It is the submitter's false interpretation. If Muhammad was in idol worship, Allah would have said so in the Quran. Ahmed said "You know, Umar -- when Muhammad is asked to say; "I'm nothing but a messenger" I feel like he's talking to some of today's muslims who think he was just a little bit more than that -- say...oh -- a divine. ;)" Well, we call and say about our messenger Muhammad---*the holy prophet Muhammad*, just like other prophets of Allah---like Ibrahim. Ibraahim and Muhammad DID NOT WORSHIP IDOLS as Ahmed believes. Ibraahim and Muhammad were chosen messengers and they were not SINNERS as Ahmed CLAIMS. Allah protected them and was always guiding them.
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "About Salat, let me ask you this -- please tell me where...even in the hadiths that "GOD" tells Muhammad to do prayers in a formula way. I mean -- forget about what "muhammad did" -- I mean...where GOD tells him to do so certain way. We ONLY have people telling us "how" the Prophet did. So, tell me -- where exactly did he get this from?" Well, I've been telling Ahmed that there is no place in the Quran where the formula of prayers is listed. Allah told us in the Quran to establish the prayers; however, how to establish the prayers is not in the Quran, yet Ahmed keep saying it is in the Quran.! If Ahmed had read or seen any Quranic verses where the formula of prayers are listed, he would have cited on here as he cites many Quranic verses on here.!! So, What does Ahmed do instead of that-----in a smoke screen to hide himself(his hypocrisy and his lying), he answers the questions that was put to him with another questions of his own---while ignoring the question and while claiming to follow QURAN ONLY.! Ahmed keeps ignoring the question----why?---because he knows that if he tells us the way he performs the salaat, we will find out that he is nothing but a hypocrite and a lair. You see, Allah told us that there is an excellent example for us in our messenger Muhammad who was to teach people the Quran and Xikma(WA YUCALI-MUHUL-KITAABA WAL XIKMA). What is XIKMA? It is the sunnah given to our prophet and it includes the sunnah of prayers. We say we follow the way our prophet performed the salaat, but Ahmed follows something else which is not in the Quran.! Ahmed said "NOW, about this discussion; messengers/prophets. Please, read the following verse, carefully; [2.136 Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) PROPHETS from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we submit to Allah (in Islám)."]" Who is given to "revelations"??? NOT Messengers...but "PROPHETS". WHY, oh why - I wonder!hahaha! According to you -- NOT all prophets were given "revelations"...but all Messengers were, right? I mean, why bother saying "and that given to (all) prophets" then? Why not just say "to (all) Messengers" instead? Visit the link where Yusuf Ali translates it like this; http://www.orst.edu/groups/msa/quran/quran/2.html#136 Well, does this verse say that ALL PROPHETS were given BOOKS? No it does not. Also, does this verse say that there is another messenger after Muhammad? No it does not. It has been reported that the prophet to have said: "From Adam to me, Allah sent a hundred and twenty-four thousand Prophets, of whom three hundred and fifteen were entrusted with a Book." Now, the question is why were there so many more Prophets than Books as the hadeeth tell us? If the role of a Prophet were simply to HAVE a BOOK and deliver the Book, as Ahmed and Submitters believe, there should have been as many Books as Prophets, right?
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama Alaykum Muslims! Umar, You see -- even the words of God...you have to "object". ; "HE FOUND YOU ERRING...AND GUIDED YOU TO THE TRUTH"(93.7)" Surely, there was a TIME when Muhammad was erring...and God guided him. Now, we both now "children" do NOT err -- and they're born in the state of Islam...and pure. SO, when was Muhammad erring and God guided him? YOU tell me! You said; [Well, that verse does NOT say that Muhammad was worshipping idols or was a pagan. It is the submitter's false interpretation. If Muhammad was in idol worship, Allah would have said so in the Quran.] BUT...it is not a submitter -- it's Yusuf Ali! ALSO -- do you not understand the Arabic of it? "DAL-LAN FAHADA" "ERRING...GUIDED YOU!" ALSO - the Qur`an says so...only one need to have "hearing" "sight" and "understanding" to it. However, anyone who thinks the Qur`an is mis-fit and not complete...and it needs some old-evil-guy's intrepetion of it...Will NEVER have those corrected. ASK me -- I should know, trust me! One is cursed beyond recognition -- to EVER understand the Qur`an...as long as one de-grades it. It's GLORIOUS QUR`AN -- anyone who tries to make it any less than that...will never have the pleasure to understand it. Muhammad was LOVED in his community -- and I will tell you one thing; it was NOT because of Islam. No jose -- it wasn't. You said; [Ibraahim and Muhammad DID NOT WORSHIP IDOLS as Ahmed believes.] No, Muhammad and Abraham did NOT worship Idols -- after God had guided them. Nor was their mistakes before their Messengership valid after they were chosen as Messengers. You said; [Ahmed said "You know, Umar -- when Muhammad is asked to say; "I'm nothing but a messenger" I feel like he's talking to some of today's muslims who think he was just a little bit more than that -- say...oh -- a divine. ;)" Well, we call and say about our messenger Muhammad---*the holy prophet Muhammad*, just like other prophets of Allah---like Ibrahim.] REALLY??? give me JUST one reference where ANY prophet except Muhammad is said "Sallalahu calayhi wasalam" or "the holy prophet" or "Laa ilaha ila Allahu -- *Ibraahimun* or *Mussaa* rasulullah"??????? Please tell me ANOTHER Messenger whom his tomb HAJJ is made to every year? Please tell me another Messenger whose tomb is made a HARAM(A SACRED PLACE TO EMMIGRATE)??? God's curse is upon the conjectures. It is a true FACT that Muhammad is made the "devault" Prophet in this Religion! This is what I believe; EVERY Messenger that was sent to people -- were part of those people until God guided them to His path. When He guides them -- He forgives their past sins. I believe God chose Messengers AMONG people -- and did not create different people for messengership. For some He had found them willing, for others tried their souls...but later found them willing, willingly! The whole idea of SENDING human messengers is NOT because they "can speak" with the people's language, but because they're HUMANS -- examples. You cannot be an example if you were guarded against evil since birth. NOR can you be any example if you're "devine". You're simply a god beside God. Ask the X-tians, they have it right. They make Jesus more than human -- he becomes a god beside God to them. WHILE in their books, GOD IS ONE. When I was suffi -- I practically worshiped the Prophet. WHEN I look back, my time was devoted MORE to the Prophet than God. I gave a whole week of singing in glory and blessing to the Prophet(when his birthday came). We would pray and start doing songs for him(dikr)! All these well-lyriced songs...that were written, what, hundreds of years ago...by Arabs. We would do this until mid-night. AND, when Midnight came -- we would listen the stories that the Sheikh told of the Prophetr to sleep. It would be the last thing i would hear before I'd fall sleep; stories of the prophet. NOT commemorating God...Nor fearing for my soul's future...Nor reading the holy words of the Lord -- but the stories of the Prophet. He did this -- he did that -- he went to blah -- blah blah asked him that -- he took a shower -- yada yada yada yada yada. This is sad -- because we'd concentrate more on HIM than the Message he brought; how despicable? When I hear God saying; "Nor would he instruct you to take angels and prophets for Lords and patrons. What! would he bid you to unbelief after ye have bowed your will (to Allah in Islám)?" i go "WOW -- I used to do that!" I used to think because GOD said so -- "LOVE THE PROPHET" only I didn't know loving the Prophet had NOTHING, absolulutely nothing, to do with my wanting "a god beside GOD" that was Satan's bidding -- NOT God's. BUT, then again, I was deaf, dumb -- and my understanding was LOCKED away! Blessed is the God who saves whomever He wills. And i'm forever grateful for He who made me believe in the GRAND QUR`AN -- who opened my eyes...and who showed me where in my religion "therein" people bidded with Satan for all sorts of Evil! Hallelujah! Abshir! Recudvi! Blessed is His HOLY name -- My Lord! Peace and love to all the Believers, -Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Asalama alaykum Muslims! Umar, I answered you question a thousand times -- it’s NOT there because it didn’t need to be. You’re acting like someone new to islam. Islam was NOT new religion -- nor did it began with Muhammad. IT EXISTED in Arabia; the Ka`abah is proof of that. The point is, that Islam was corrupted -- which called for “new Messenger”. Had the Arabian pagans believed in ALLAH ALONE -- they would BE better than the Jews and X-tians, why? Because they had adopted and did NOT lose the practices of their fathers; Kader, Ishmael, and Abraham. UNLIKE the Israelites who neglected/forgot their fore-fathers’ practices of religious. The `Arabian Pagans corrupted the teachings of their fathers to the core -- because of their neighbors’ cultures. FOR example, the first god, Hubal, appeared in Arabia...when one of the Kings went to Assyria...for medicine. When he came back -- he brought a god with him; an arm-less god. Before, it was another King who started with the “stone worship” when he left for what is today “india”. He took a rock from the Ka`abah -- and said it’d remind him of “Allah” -- it began that everyone after that...would take stones from Ka`abah...then later from any place in Mecca(since they believed Mecca was blessed by Allah; which was true!) This called for idol-worshiping; gods were chosen beside God -- and Allah had suddenly found himself with many “partners” in Arabia and the Ka`abah. NEVERTHELESS, the Arabian Pagans KNEW(before and after Muhammad) that Allah was the GOD of the Universe -- who created everything. God tells this to Muhammad -- “If indeed thou ask them who has created the heavens and the earth and subjected the sun and the moon (to His Law), they will certainly reply, "Allah". How are they then deluded away (from the truth)?” HOWEVER, they corrupted the concept of it -- and GOD sets them straight in the Qur`an when He says; “Your god is One God -- There is No god EXCEPT He.” Similar, Arabians did NOT lose the concept of Salat and how to do it -- they, HOWEVER, corrupted it. They corrupted who to address; God says to Muhammad; “SAY; My salat, and sacrifice, and death are all to God” They corrupted the times(and prayed whenever they wished) God tells them in the Qur`an...ALL the five times of the day to pray. They called names beside God in their masjids -- God tells them THROUGH Muhammad that they should NEVER call anyone beside God in the Masjids. This did NOT only happen with Salat -- but, practically, EVERYHTING else in Islam; the Religion of Abraham. NOW, where in (even hadiths) do you see that Muhammad was told to tell the WORLD to pray *this* way. NOT how he did it himself -- but what was told to him...to tell us. Bring it to mind, that AS it is upon us to establish Salat was it upon Muhammad, as well. Peace - Ahmad!
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed said "You see -- even the words of God...you have to "object". ; "HE FOUND YOU ERRING...AND GUIDED YOU TO THE TRUTH"(93.7)" Surely, there was a TIME when Muhammad was erring...and God guided him. Now, we both now "children" do NOT err -- and they're born in the state of Islam...and pure. SO, when was Muhammad erring and God guided him? YOU tell me!" Well, Ahmed is here once again mis-interpreting Allah's Words. Ahmed wants us to believe that Muhammad believed the idols as gods and used to worship them. But these verses do not say what Ahmed is suggesting; it is all in the head of Ahmed. The mufasiriin of the Quran say that these verses in surah Dhuxa were revealed when the Arab pagans started to mock Muhammad as one forsaken by his Lord. In his early messengerhood, there was a period during which the Muhammad received no Revelation. Then, Allah after swearing said this to His messenger: "Thy Lord has not forsaken thee, nor is He displeased, And the Hereafter is indeed better unto thee than the present life. And verily, your Lord will give you(all i.e. good) so that you shall be well-pleased. Did He not find you an orphan and gave you a refuge? And He found you wondering/unaware(of the Quran, its legal laws, and prophethood, etc) and guided you? And He found you poor, and made you rich(self-sufficient with self-contentment etc). Therefore, treat not the orphan with oppression, And repulse not the beggar; And proclaim the Grace of your Lord.." Our messenger Muhammad was in the environment of idolatry, but he did NOT became a pagan and he did not WORSHIP IDOLS. As the verses of Allah show Muhammad(as a child---and before he was a prophet) was in all kinds of situation, but Allah sheltered him when Muhammad was an orphan; Allah made him rich when Muhammad was poor; Allah guided him when Muhammad was in the midst of worst idolatry environment. Allah Himself says in another verse that he made Muhammad KHULIQIN CADIIM---WA-INAKA CALAA KHULIQIN CADIIM--"And verily you are of a high and noble disposition" 68-4. The whole life of Muhammad was a wonderful moral character. History books also say this: "struggling to find his way--in search of the true light, the character of Muhammad even in his youth was exemplary and exceptional in the most tempting environment in Makkah. It is quite in keeping with the character of Muhammad that he should have shrunk from the coarse and licentious practices of his youthful friends. Endowed with a refined mind and delicate taste, reserved and meditative, he shunned the idol devotions of his people. The fair character of Muhammad and honorable bearing of the unobtrusive youth won the approbation of everyone; he lived much within himself, and the pondering of his heart no doubt supplied occupation for leisure hours spent by others of a lower stamp in rude sports and profligacy." Ahmed said "You said; [Ibraahim and Muhammad DID NOT WORSHIP IDOLS as Ahmed believes.] No, Muhammad and Abraham did NOT worship Idols -- after God had guided them. " No, Allah was always guiding Ibraahim and Muhammad before and after they became messengers of Allah. Ahmed said "Nor was their mistakes before their Messengership valid after they were chosen as Messengers." Again, there is no evidence that Ibraahim and Muhammad worshipped idols ever, even before they were not chosen as messengers. Ahmed said "You said; [Ahmed said "You know, Umar -- when Muhammad is asked to say; "I'm nothing but a messenger" I feel like he's talking to some of today's muslims who think he was just a little bit more than that -- say...oh -- a divine. ;)" Well, we call and say about our messenger Muhammad---*the holy prophet Muhammad*, just like other prophets of Allah---like Ibrahim.] REALLY??? give me JUST one reference where ANY prophet except Muhammad is said "Sallalahu calayhi wasalam" or "the holy prophet". Well, I heard and read many many times where Muslims like me calling and saying all the prophets as "holy prophets of Allah". And we say "Sallalahu calayhi wasalam" when the name of our messenger Muhammad is said and it is being commanded by Allah that we should sent specail solutations to our messenger Muhammad. It is in the Quran. SALUU CALAYIM WA SALIMUU TASLIIMA. Allah is mentioning other prophets and saying them: SALAAMU CALAA Ibraahim, CALAA MUUSAA and other prophets as well. We also say CALYHUMA SALAAM when other propphets's names are mentioned. Ahmed said "Please tell me ANOTHER Messenger whom his tomb HAJJ is made to every year? Please tell me another Messenger whose tomb is made a HARAM(A SACRED PLACE TO EMMIGRATE)??? " Well, there is nothing wrong visiting the tomb of our messenger. Where did Ahmed find that the Quran forbids the act of visiting the grave of the prophet? Ahmed said "God's curse is upon the conjectures. It is a true FACT that Muhammad is made the "devault" Prophet in this Religion!" It is a "true FACT" that Ahmed is desplying his hypocricy every time he writes on here. He makes up his own religion along with submitters. But hypocrites hide their own wrong doings. Ahmed refuses to tell us how he performs his prayers. !! He says it is in the Quran, but he can't produce it! The hypocrite’s *curse* is in the lowest depth of hell, even lower then the unbelievers. They are worst than open kaafirs. After refusing to answer the question that was put to him about the prayers being in the Quran, Ahmed said this: "NOW, where in (even hadiths) do you see that Muhammad was told to tell the WORLD to pray *this* way." Would Ahmed believe the many hadeeths that tell us our messenger taught how to worship Allah in SALAAT? As I said before, Allah told us that there is an excellent example for us in our messenger Muhammad who was to teach people the Quran and Xikma(WA YUCALI-MUHUL-KITAABA WAL XIKMA). What is XIKMA? It is the sunnah given to our prophet and it includes the sunnah of prayers. We follow the way our prophet performed the salaat. Ahmed, however, follows something else which is not in the Quran, but he REFUSED to tell us how and where is it in the QURAN!!! What a hypocrite and a lair!
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| | Unrecorded Date Aslamu Alaykum BRO's/SIS's: Ahmed: First of all, am confused about your certainty of what you wrote. Secondly, it is best to write your facts/arguments/ideas/opinions etc... short so others can understand and relate to it. Other than that, is perfect but I disagree with you somewhat or maybe is not very clear. My believe/Knowledge: There is a clear proof that a distinction exists between a messenger (rasul) and a prophet (nabi). No doubt! *** The difference between the two is that a messenger is one of the prophets to whom, together with the verification miracle (mu'jiza), the Book is send down. *** A prophet, on the other hand, who is not a messesnger, is one to whom no book is send down, but who was commanded only to restrain people on the basis of the earlier revealed law (shar'ia). Hadith: It is related from the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), that he was asked about the prophets, whereupon he said: "There are one hundred and twenty-four thousansd." When he was then asked how many messengers there were among these, he answered: "The great host of three hundred and thirteen." Aslamu laykum! Surely Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
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