     S/LANDER | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 04:01 pm
The logic is strange. courtesy-kowneyn
Somaliland is somali and so is djibouti. So is NFD and kilil 5. Syria and jordan r Arab and so are over 2o different countries.
We r the same religion and so are we with over 1.5 billion muslims.
There are Somalilander Communities that are against secession. The fact is no one forced to sign in the first place and no one is forcing them to stay. To be a Somalilander is an honor and a privilige those who want otherwise we more than willing to depart with.
Now perhaps the one thing that would appeal to us is some remorse of what happened and recognition of the good character and the special role that our people can play among somalis. Their ability to bring back something that the South is particularly lacking that is the noble characteristics(Islam)(Not the outward islam but the true one-- the spiritual kind that doesnot decrease come rain or shine and manifests as ixsaan in your character) this was the trademark of all somalis many many centuries ago. But is now virtual destroyed in the south for whatever reason. In Somaliland itself this is wounded and we are desperately trying to revive it inshallaah. Therefore, convince me that returning to the South is not a trap by evil forces to destroy and corrupt this very ancient, purpose filled and important community as they tried to do last time and have done with other Somali communities. But the fact is none can frustrate ALLAH's plan.
"Yaclamu ma bayna aydayhim wama khalfahum...walaa yuxidunna min cilmi hi illa bima shaa'a...Waasica Kursiyuhu samaawati wal ard...Walla ya uduh xifdahuma wa huwa al calliyu ul cadiim"
The only productive union with the our brethren is to realize that we both have to struggle to change and clean our selves of the corruption of our enemies--seen and unseen. To recognize that our ultimate goal is not to be hunter's dog for the devil chasing your brother neither is it to out smart each, to deceive each other to gain a position of advantage this is the lot of animals not humans, our potential is greater and our purpose more noble. Our porpuse is to demonsterate obedience and the good characteristics deserving Allah's presence with us permanently. To look for an external enemy is really scapegoating when the enemy is within you. The true enemy r those communities or individuals where ever they may be in the world that harbor and tolerate evil within them or among them.
Its sad that the tribe among somalis has lost its direction rather than purifying and protecting as it was intended for, its being discredited by being utilized as blind protector of every wretched soul that it was meant to rehabilitate and if not possible than to reject and purify themselves from. Those wretched souls r present with us here spewing poison from the shaitan in them and those seen and unseen. The purpose again is slow decay of the fabric our society. The eventual death of Godliness and thus of mankind. Something we in Somaliland will defeat inshallaah. To be honest the south needs lots of work to free itself from the chains. Those here writing comments on these pages cant even reason except with blind selfishness and glaring hypocrisy. Time and time again the devil gets the best out of Somalis of all kinds but mainly southerners and they show their degenerate souls and the devils they harbor.
In sum, we are not going to stick our hand in that snake pit again until we are sure that the snake has been beheaded all of its 7- heads. "Like they say once bitten twice shy". Its our duty to help you kill the snakes as its for you to help us in our purifying process. This is the only means of real salvation for both of us level headed brotherhood.
However, recognize my burden is heavier because of our last communion. My work being cut out for me how can I carry another's wait. We will both drown in such case and neither of us might reach the shore Allah forbid. Unless I see a fighting spirit in you and struggle towards right mindedness and clean heart.
Its incumbent on both us to take this course without delay. So that next time we somalis unite or even better all muslims unite we r not a burden to our brothers but an asset.
This I hope u will see as a message of good will and frank discussions from one brother to another or a brother to a sister. I am not your true enemy and neither is ethiopia but its really shaitan. So focus on the root causes if u want to get tangible and lasting results.
Kowneyn
The prophet said scws: " Told the muslim ummaah I leave you two things that if you hold on to u will not go astray: The Qur'an and my Ahlul bayt (another time the second Item was the sunnah...in other words both are meant to help in understanding the qu'ran).
Ali bin abuTalib(kaw) particularly and the hashimi sector of the qureish were particularly relied on to understand the secrets of the Qur'an and in guidance. Among Somalis there is an attempt to deny the existence of this community and even outright genocide was attempted. Blind hatred and prejudice will only win you hell. You can not tie the hands of ALLAH. That is what ibleys tried because of his ignorance and blind arrogance (blind because he couldnot even see that ALLAH created both of them and he had no rights other than what ALLAH wills for him. And worse he failed to realize Allah knows best who should be obeyed) This is what started our fall and those who part with such qualities will be the only once who succeed. There is Janna because ALLAH is merciful, just, kind and loving. And hell is when we reject ALLAH and his mercy leaves us alone with shaitan who might seduce u today but his true ugliness u will recognize when you are united with him for good...he is hell itself!
Kowneyn |
| s/lander | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 04:02 pm
thats s/land stand....
good luck brothers and sisters |
| s/lander | Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 04:03 pm
dood fiican noo offense fadlan |
| faysal | Monday, December 11, 2000 - 02:42 am
Please do not offend the name dhulka somaliyeed(Somaliland), when u start distorting history and descibing somalis as people of different nature and character , good or bad ,then for sure u have asked for unreasonable respond.
I am a somali, could be from the south, but iam origianally from the north, my friends and family affiliations are both from the north and south, and honestly i can not that accept the we differentiate each other asuch!!!
Please remeber , we are a family and families do have rough and tough times, let us solve the differences in a constructive civilised manner, iam sure that we can.
FOR SURE WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUG , THE TOUGH GETS GOING!!
FAYSAL |
| moh | Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 02:38 am
To Faysal
I am not the person who brought up this subject but i have to say, you misunderstand what the first person tried to indicate. If i understood myself well , he was pointed out that there are almost 25 different countries eg Arab who have same religion and speak same language but that does't forced them to be united. In addition Djouti is there having it own country and yet you are argueing somalia and somaliland are same people. Wallaahey if you have a point i will be the first person to appreciate your view but in this respect you and thousand other somalian people have 't got a point to argue with, so the time came you ough eccept somaliland and live with it. My fried at the end of the day the will of the people of somaliland is going pervial. |
| Sup | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 04:14 am
point well said bro
i hope this clarifies the misconception of Somaliland by the southern somali.
The only thing that i want add to this is that name somaliland it's not new one by the way, it's been given to us by the British.
so let's heal our wounds before we can discuss about Reunion. it's very premature now. not everyone is ready to reconsile. |
| Dalmar | Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 06:25 am
What is the solution?
Walaalayaal dadkiina doodaan furay waad slaamantihiin,waadna ku mahadsantihiin sida wanaagsan oo aad fikradihiina u dhiibateen.
waxaan ahay nin reer koonfur ah aad uga xun is af garanwaaga ka dhex jira dadka walaalaha ee soomaalida ah,meel kasta ha ku noolaadeene.
Hadaba si la isu fahmo,waxaa lagama maarmaan ah in lawada hadlo oo laga doodo sidii wax u dhaceen iyo wixii laga qaban karo.
Waxaan aaminsanahay in Soomaali aysan kala maarmin si walbana isugu xiran tahay.
Si marka lawada hadlayo la isu fahmo,gaar ahaan marka laga wada hadlayo qaddiyada Soomaaliland,waxaan ku talin lahaa sida soo socota.
Waa marka hore Soomaalida inteeda kale marka ay ka hadlayaan Soomaaliland ha tix galiyeen qodobada soo socda.
1-Waa in aan laga didin ama loo arkin magaca Soomaaliland wax xun ama Negative ah,waa un magac,dhulkii waa isla dhulkii dadkiina waa isla dadkii.
2-Waa in la gartaa ama la aqoonsadaa in markii lagu dhawaaqayay Soomaaliland in xaaladda Koonfurta Soomaaliya xaalad xun ka jirtay oo si xun la isu laynayay,marka ka fakara wixii dhici lahaa haddii reer Soomaaliland ay go'aan ku gaari lahaayeen in dagaaladii socday dhinacooda ka galaan,waxaan in xaalada Soomaaliya ay ka sii daraan lahayd meesha ay gaartay.
Markii dhinacaas fiican laga eego oo si cadaalad ah oo Soomaalinimo ah aan u fakarno,waxaan oran karnaa maamulkii laga dhisay Soomaaliland dad Soomaali ah ayaa ka faa'iiday,qayb dalkii ka mid ah ayaa badbaaday,xataa dad badan oo soomaalida kooonfurta ah ayay ilo ganacsi u ahayd Soomaaliland.
Macnaha aan u jeedo waxa weeye faa'iidada in wax un maamul ah la sameeyo in ay ka muhiimsantahay in laga eego magaca kaliya(soomaaliland)
3- Waa in la tix galiyaa caadifadda dadka aad al hadlayso,taasi waa mid naga maqan mar kasta oo aan wada hadlayno.Haddii aad qofka meesha halista taabato difaacayuu galayaa waxna isku af garanmaysaan.
4-Waa in la ogaado in dadwaynaha reer Soomaaliland ay ka dhowyihiin meeshii ay taagnaayeen 5 sano ka hor,laakiin ay aaminsanyihiin in aan koonfur meel nidaam ka dhalan karo aysan ahayn.Waxaa na hor taagan haddii aan Soomaalida Koonfurta nahay in aan koonfurta ka dhigno meel lagu noolaan karo.
Dadka reer Soomaaliland waxaa laga rabaa in ay tixgaliyaan arrimaha soo socda.
1-Dadwaynaha reer koonfureed mas'uul kama aha dhibkii ka dhacay ama khasaarihii soo gaaray reer Soomaaliland. Waxaa mas'uul ka ahaa DAWLAD MILATARI ah iyo dadkii aasaasay SNM. Natiijada kaliya lama eego ee waxaa la eegaa sababta dhalisay(cause).
Haddii sidaas la helo waa la is af garan karaa oo wax walba waa laga wada hadli karaa ayaan qabaa.
Waad mahadsantihiin. |
| Ali | Friday, December 15, 2000 - 08:11 am
To Dalmar
Waxyaabo run ah ayaad ka hadashay waana fikrad fiican in marka lawada hadlayo la is tixgaliyo xaqiiqdana laga hadlo.
Waxaan jeclaan lahaa in aan walaalaha reer Soomaaliland waydiiyo had iyo jeer waxaad ka hadashaan in Koonfur ididn burburisay oo dhib badan idiin gaysatay,oo ay haboontahay in lakala nasto,Laakiin su'aashu waxay tahay yaa ka mas'uul ahaa dhibka iyo burburka idin soo gaaray?
Yaa ka mas'uul ahaa dhibka iyo burburka soo gaaray Soomaaliya oo dhan???
Ma waxaad aaminsantihiin in dadwaynaha reer koonfureed (sida aad u taqaaniin) ay mas'uul ka ahaayeen dhibaatadii idin soo gaartay?? IF yes How?
Xaqiiqdu waxay tahay in dhibaatda ku habsatay Soomaaliya meel kasta ha ahaatee in ay keentay CADAALAD-DARRO.
Kuwii yiri cadaalad darro ayaan ka dagaalamaynaana way ka sii dareen oo ayaguna caddaalad ma wadin ee jago raadis ayay ahaayeen
Hadda waxaa loo baahan yahay in aan isla fahamno in dhibaato na soo wada gaartay,ayna haboontahay in aan ka wada tashano sidii aan u heli nidaam guud oo ku dhisan caddaalad oo qof walba xaqiisa siiya.
Hadda Soomaaliland maamul ayaa ka jira,dhinaca koonfurtana xaaladu waa ka soo raynaysaa oo waxaa la rajaynayaa in Dawladda cusub wax qabato.
waxaa la sameeyay Dastuur ku meel gaar ah oo ay ku caddahay in lagu nidaam Federaal ah,oo gobolwalba dadka dagan ay iyagu dooranayaan cida matalaysa ama ka talinaysa,taasa miyaysan ahayn wixii inaga maqnaa????
Waxay noqonaysaa tusaale haddii aan u soo qaato Soomaaliland oo uu Cigaal ka yahay GOVERNOR,laakiin hoos timaada Soomaali wayn.
Arrintaas in ay dhici karto ma idinla tahay???
Haddii aad diidantihiin maxaad ku diidantihiin?
Maxaadse Ku qanci kartaan haddii aad tihiin reer SOOMAALiLAND??
Fadlan doodu ha ku socoto sidii ay ku bilaabatay oo yaan si xun loo badalin.
Aad bay u fiican tahay in lakala faa'iidaysto oo fikradaha la is dhaafsado,ee ninkii wax qorayoow wax dadku akhrisan karo qor ama iska dhaaf. |
| abdi | Saturday, December 16, 2000 - 12:39 pm
To: Ali
I thank you very much for your remarkes regarding this above-mentioned subject. I like this health debate which has attracted so many good people around the world. Although i like your remarkes but you misunderstood the subject which was " we can't be two different countries again, because we share same language and religion". I am saying to you there are 25 different countries eg Arab who share common language and religion, but have different countries, so having common things is no enoght to keep the two countries.
If you read the world history, and what people went through, you will never suggest to have united Somalia again which base on political issues. If you are looking for a united somalia again include somaliland again i am sorry you will never going get it again. We all make mistakes but we should learn them for not doing it again eg if you committed mistake today it is unlike that you will do again with knowing it. In respect to all the somaliland people have made mistake once in July 1960 and they are not willing to repeat that mistake again. |
| ahmed | Sunday, December 31, 2000 - 07:05 pm
there is no somaliland and never will be the sooner you realize the better.
arabs have been different countries many years somalia was one country and still is.
when qaldaans want to request charity they do not say we somaliland nation but region of somalia in their request we know that qaldaans write any thing to get qaldanland there one somalia end of the story. |
| Unionist | Sunday, December 31, 2000 - 11:05 pm
s/landers
Good discussion!huh!whats your points guys
to separate? if thats isaq clans joice i respect but will u respect, if other clans refuse s/land their choice?if not isnt that another bloodshed?
this is the reality we must face! why should i accept leave my clans men and follow isaq clan which i know all their intentions?
Iagree we must all purify before we unite &we musnt let happen what happened again...again..!
lets all standup for that common goal...?
you guys want unjustfiable secession which is unrealistic? not even your best interest.
Q:how would you act if other clans say NO?
Q:why dont you try if you have better ideas
which can unite somalia than devide?
Q:why you want devide son&mother rather than?
when all other nations doin re-union???
I CANT FIND ANSWER ANYONE HELP PLZ?
THANKS FOR ALL PATICIPANTS
BRO SOMALI |
