     Durgal | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 10:56 am
Man! forget about going back.
If you go back to somalia using a naturalized citizen you will be treated as foriegner and you have to pay $20, just like Mr White, who was born in Montana. Is it fair? Tell me about it. We need to fight our rights "WE SHALL OVERCOME"
There is more. Any one who likes to think somali people would be free becuase Bare is gone and we gained so much freedom, think again. When The so-called somali government consilidates power, by moving guns away from people to its army, We, Somali people are hopeless to defend our rights, Power becomes absolute, just like the rest of Africa,and whatever positive that came out of the civil war, such as freedom of the Press, business activities, private schools will be lost. Government schools,One Press, one Media, will be the norm. So when you, the educated,and the exiled go back home you will be told what to do by Guul Wade.
I am telling you we have two enemies one is outsiders, the other is the inside, the so-called politicians, they are there to collect IMF/World Bank money which ends up in foriegn banks. Anyone who thinks that is wrong and voices his desent will be mistreated,if not molested.
What can we do then? At least lets start thinking about the posibility of that happening. I think it is a mathematical certianty and it is not question of if but when.
I beleive we should at all cost spread the power,granting regions local and real authority. We should not be stupid enough to trust Somali politician agian. Never, considering what happened in the past ten years. |
| Taahow | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 11:15 am
Durgal, Africa has long to go man!
IF YOU r RIGHT IAN'T GOING NO WHERE, DAMN THAT SUCKS. Shiekh Abdulqaadirow. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, December 18, 2000 - 11:48 pm
Durgal
You know what could (will?) make Somalia different? People like you. The masses who fled because of the war and come home and, when someone tries to curtail your freedom of speech you say •••• you. And then you organize support. And people like me have the US government (with its big cash cow) putting pressure on Mr. Salad to make sure that Somalis ensure freedom from oppression. Somalia has the window of opportunity, born at the cost of great suffering and bloodshed, to emerge as not only one of Africas, but on the worlds, model states. Grab the brass ring Sahib. I'm going back, come with me. We'll rock the horn baby!!!! Think big! |
| Anonymous | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 11:21 am
Durgal,
That is not bad idea, well-said! but let me tell you something, you are just a hyphicrite. May be you are talking just with your clan-mates.
we talked about somali reputition, you jumped in the middle and stated that we have a good reputition, you pretended that you are a somali brother but again when I saw your commont on ....Aidid.. the greatest ...
All what you could state was that Adid was a hero when we all know that he was murderer' and responsible the death of thousands of somalis women and children, both from his clan and from every somali clan. he gave us the worst name that we internationly will be remembered ' nomadic + barbaric poeple.
You said '' he gave Habar gedir political and social status'' ( think about this it does not sound to me self-praising)
Wallahi, I am not that old to remember everything that happened before the war, but I beleav we can all learn the history. And this is my respond to you.
No, Siyad Barre was not responsible the WHOLE destruction that happened to somalia, and you cannot compare with him Adid. I agree he was a dictotor but in areal evalutaion he has a good point and a bad point. The fact speaks themselves. I agree he made a lot of mistakes and after all his government was unislamic. But let us be honest we enjoyned an international repution while he was there. Yes, he should have left in the 80's.
And you telling the poeple going back, I would say to you, while I personally feel A. Qaasem will make a different if he can control over his clansimen, I have to tell you I have my fairs for alot of somalis not go back.Simply, poeple like you are more likely to have a power. what would the rest somalis as you called '' daaroot '' expect? I will leave for the reader to guess.
I will pray that Allah SWT brings peace into somalia and that all the somalis will leave hormany and peace again. |
| Durgal | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 12:45 pm
Mad Mac
Real freedom can only be achieved by local people, we have to fight your own battle. Good offer though, if our interest is tangent to yours then we might help one another. Somalia needs careful balance of Qur'aanic values and modern political, economic, social awareness.
Fanaticism is not the answer for two reasons, for one it is fundemantally against Islamic teachings where the concept of ijtahaad requires people to be careful since people can't be so sure about their chosen verdict or venue in a given issue. It is through consensus of the learned people that good things come out. Second, fanaticism has difficult time in adjusting in the world we live in today where the ball game is totally different. For instance if particular issue has religous implicatation, Uluma, the real ones who proved themselves agianst self-seeking instincts, should have the last thing to say. Leave other subjects to their respective experts.
Western pupetism is not the answer either. I hate African poltical traditions, but I do understand who is nurturing them, There Masters. I think it would be tremendous miscalculation to change your road where here and then hyene appears,which can be turned away by mere scream to that of Lion- vested road. The second one you have no chance.
It will be tough road,and tough fight, but we will win. Mac there will be tens of thousands of new Somali Americans who will be living in both countries. Will we use those rights to make somalia free country if it is neccessary? You bet we are. Frankly, I don't kown what those rights are. Do you? |
| Durgal | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 01:00 pm
Anonymous
You got me wrong man. I did not say he was hero. I said if we are talking about anti-Westernims nationalism he is a hero. But I continued saying was he a bad man? Yes, in terms of religion, eventhough ultimately Allah knows best.Why do you think I said that if I didn't think he was responsible for the killings of thousands of somalis, including his own people. In the end religion is what mattered to me. Please read my comments fully. You will see what I meant.
If you are upset about the Daarood question you got me wrong too. I will explain why I choose to pose that question. I am not a tribalist, I love Somalis in general. |
| Anonymous | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 03:49 pm
TO ALL
CAN YOU PLEASE HELP A SISTER THAT NEED HEIP.
I WANT PEOPLE TO TELL DUH TO LIVE MY BROTHER ALONE. SHE UGLY AND I WISH SHE CAN GO BACK TO SOMALI AND TAKE CARE OF OUR GOATS.
DUH IF YOU READ THIS GO HOME SIS. |
| MAD MAC | Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 11:37 pm
Durgal
First and foremost, the right to be left alone. The right to lead my life without a lot of interference from other people. Little government is good government. Governments that start saying what I can say and what I can write and what kind of business I can run, those are bad governments. Of course you will get some Muslims who will say you can saying as long as it's not unislamic. Of course we all know where that leads. Soon, anything Salad doesn't want people to say becomes unislamic. |
| Durgal | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 11:59 am
Mac
I agree with you totally, and in part that is why I hate the political traditions of sub-saharan Africa. I citizen becomes a foriegner in his own land, what would that citizen say if he gets discriminated in the West? One of the reason why I initiated this discussion was the need of generating awareness. Perhaps it is too early to start such discussion. None of the people who are involved in somali politics today have the capacity to create a regime other than buearacratic dictatorship where nothing gets done. The kind of system I described earlier can only come when young somalis who are in high school now go back to somalia with vengence. |
| USA | Wednesday, December 20, 2000 - 01:43 pm
Durgal
The Only enemy Somalia has is......Somalis.Once we irradicate this nouN....we shall overcome all adversities.Wake up and smell the Muufo! |
| Fozia | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 02:50 pm
Damn he is right
Look what cabdilaahi Yuusuf is doing in Puntland. he is fucking closing jariidada Qaran, They will do it Xamar too. |
| Ice-Man | Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 03:28 pm
LoL @ Fozia Leave the president Alone or he will arrest you....LoL
Can we go back to Somalia? I don't know who is not letting you in
If you believe the second amendment to carry a Gun so you can defend your so-called a freedom like if you ever achieved"Freedom" you are mistaken. Somalia Guns are the problem not the Human.
Later |
| MAD MAC | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 11:07 am
What is Jariidada Qur'an???? Why is Abdullahi Yusuf closing it down, whatever it is? |
| Mercutio- | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 11:49 am
ONE COMMENT.
ONLY TOGETHERNESS AND UNITY CAN OVER COME ANY OBSTCLE. |
| Ice-Man | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 12:15 pm
MM
Qaran is a newspaper that manipulates people at least tries to shape their political views in their own way the "Owners" Mr. Abdulahi yusuf supports free Media but not those who have a hidden agenda to destabilize the region.
Later |
| Poisonous | Friday, December 22, 2000 - 10:36 pm
<<Abdullahi Yusuf supports free Media>>. Hell! This is easily the most laughable line I have come across today. How can warlord Abdullahi Yusuf talk about civil liberties and rights of a people when (a) the majority of the people in the areas he claims jurisdiction over actually support the new Somali Government of Salat, (b) the people he claims to rule spend all their time trying to eke a living out the poorest and harshest part of Somalia, (c) the warlord himself is a known tyrant, a totalitarian dictator who does not believe in any freedom whatsoever and whose ambition knows no bounds at all and (d) the guy is a born looser.
Folks, when all is said and done, everyone who cares about Somalia knows the puntland scheme. Warlord Abdullahi Yusuf and a few of his majeerteen clansmen have created a ‘castle in the air’, which is nothing but a vehicle to beg the world for handouts and crumbs. In warlord Abdullahi Yusuf’s own words during the second anniversary of the pipe dream: “we must compete for world attention and for the limited international aid resources and forcefully seek out the ‘peace-dividend’” – this by constantly highlighting the problems of the rest of South Somalia.
To end, Warlord Abdullahi Yusuf is residue, scum of a by-gone era. His colleagues are either senile or long ago departed this world. I opine that he has no business fanning and constantly fuelling the fires of the civil war in Somalia. He should retire to an old peoples home somewhere!
Poison. |
| Guilty | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 04:28 am
This is a men who spends
almost 15 years in ithopian jail and he is
calling them as his friends, damn how can u
do that
You know i have nothing agains him personly
but i never understood why he did that.
going back to home
we just have to wait and see |
| Fozia | Saturday, December 23, 2000 - 12:30 pm
Mad Mac
Qaran is a Muqdishu owned newspaper and one of its branches in Puntland was told to close by the war lord Abdulaahi Yusuf. It sets an example for the rest of somalia, Xamar too will close when it feels the heat. |
| Muwaadin | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 10:58 pm
Even though I rarely agree with Poisonous, I agree with his comments about the Abdullahi Yusuf concept.
Abdullahi Yusuf was one of them men that were against Somali Nationalism and Independance. He is what they call "Calooshiis U shaqeyste." He really cares nothing about "Freedom of speech." or his own people. And this isn't the first time he closed down newspapers. A while back he arrested BBC reporters in Bosaso and before then, his crooks closed down a shop in Bosaso with the picture of A/Qassim in it.
He got little "Power" and he is already proving his true colors, he is definately a dictator. A few weeks ago he outlawed any "Bac" or plastic paper to be brought in to Puntland. When asked why, his government said "Because it is harmfull." In which sense? "Healthwise, we've found some people who have chocked on it." That was the biggest joke, I'd heard in quite some time. The only reason he outlawed it is because the "Bac" was being manufactured in a plant in Mogadishu and he was boycotting them, doesn't that make more sense than the reasons he gave?
Another thing, Abdullahi Yusuf has signed numerous contracts with fishing companies from Europe and has even signed contracts with British companies to dump Toxic Wastes in the Somali sea. It is estimated that about 50-70 ships are now fishing in the Nothern Coastlines of Somalia with Abdullahi Yusuf's permission! He has also refused to share any of the money he is getting from these contractors with members of his own cabinet. When asked why he has not shared them, he arrested one of them men that shed light in to this matter!
So, you can all picture, what kind of President we will have, once such character is given the chance to rule!
Also, Qaran is a newspaper that is located in Mogadishu, and is affiliated with BBC. I believe the BBC monitors them for some reason I am not sure. And Qaran has many offices in Somalia. |
| Muwaadin | Sunday, December 24, 2000 - 11:17 pm
Durgal,
Anyone, who chooses to go back to Somalia can do so right at this minute. I was there a few weeks ago and as you can see I am still living. I was not attacked by a mob nor was I robbed. I went there, saw my families, saw my country again for the first time in years. Ate bananas, mangoes, papaya, and Isbaandhees. It was very fullfilling, there isn't a feeling like that in the world. It was emotionally what I needed.
There is not a Big Mark on your head that reads "I just came from Dibada." People you see on the streets go about their daily lives. No one even noticed anything different about me! It's not what you make it sound, it was quite a trip.
I went to Black Sea a.k.a. Jidka Sodonka. And I also went to Suuqa Bakaaraha, you won't recognize it when you go back. It grew 10 times in size and they sell everything you can imagine. Tommy Hillfigers, Gucci watches, Christian Dior perfumes, Computers(IBM), 32'' TV's, Satellite dishes, AK 47's, C++ Books and CD's. Among many other things, they've everything and even more.
People had electricity in Mogadisho and I even watched TV there. They'd 5 channels which people watch for FREE. And the commentators spoke in Somali, Arabic, and English. They showed old Somali songs, theatrical plays, and even Somali movies, American movies, Soccer games, CNN news and others.
Some people had Internet connections, Cell Phones, and some even drove 1998 Land Cruisers. Somalia is not what people outside of it think, it has changed dramatically. Of coarse, there are the usuals such as; The killings, and robbing, but it has become a part of their daily lives.
I advice you to go check it out for yourself. And by the way, I am not Hawiye, and didn't get any special favors because of any Kinship group (Tribe). I was a simple Somali that went there for his own reasons. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 01:46 am
Muwaadin
OK, YOU didn't stand out, but I think for me it would be a little different. Me being a white guy and everything. Did you go to the Market in Medina along Jalle Siad street? I can go shop there. I'm not too welcome in the Black Sea area, if you know what I mean. Also, did you get down to Jasirra by chance? How do things lok there??? Man, I can't wait to get back. You make me home sick just thinking about it. |
| Poisonous | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 02:14 am
Home sick??? You scare me MM! You have too much attachment for my country for my own liking...more reason to thank Caydiid for kicking you out of there.
Poison. |
| MAD MAC | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 01:38 pm
Poison
I'll be back. |
| Anonymous | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 03:29 pm
poisonous and muwaadin
Have you ever heard the american expression: only a bastard can deal with bastards ( if you are clever enough you may understand what I am talking about)
muwaadin
Just to remind you the bananas and mangoes you ate were from stolen farms. That means you ate HARAAM food.
Mad Mac
Welcome home again. It's in our interest to welcome you but as soon as we get what we want you...... |
| Poisonous | Monday, December 25, 2000 - 03:46 pm
Anon, the former 'owners' of the farms had themselves originally stolen them farms! Which is why they vacated them (at record breaking speed) when the moment of truth arrived.
Poison |
| wisdom | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 08:32 am
truth? |
| wisdom | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 08:38 am
i totally disagree with u guys about the land...u gotta see it for yourself...u can't compare it to any where in somalia...ppl got villas that xamar has never seen...and satellites...since the civil war started every one was busy building his own land |
| Muwaadin | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 10:03 am
Wisdom, have you actually been to this "land"? I've been to both "Somaliland" and "Puntland". I travelled from Garowe to Bosaso. And you want the honest truth? The land is bare, very few trees, it is extremely hot. From December to March, it is very hot and people move towards the southern parts to refuge from the heat. And they even have sand-storms, have you ever seen those? They are nothing like you've ever seen.
I laugh everytime I hear people exaggerate "Puntland", you know why? Because they make it sound as if it is some kind of a paradise, when in reality the opposite is the truth. Yes, they do have villas, but how many of them? Very few, let's ask ourselves how many people live in Bosaso compared to Mogadisho? I think the answer is obvious. Are they better? I think not, new villas have been built in Mogadisho as well.
The only reason people lies so much about those places is because of their kinship group values. Bosaso is inhabited by the Majeerteen kinship group. I know this, because I've seen it with my own eyes. Thus, the majeerteen group exaggerate it because it is their land. But it is far from what it sounds.
They even try to make Kismayo seem as if it is theirs, when history proves that Kismayo is not a Darood or a Hawiye city. The only reason they hung on to "Jubbaland" is because of the land which is very productive. The only time majeerteen showed up in Kismayo was when they went there after the USC-Barre war and automatically they think it is their land. It is not and it will not be. Kismayo is a Somali city not a Majeerteen one!
People please don't kid yourselves too much, visit these lands before you picture them as perfect Utopias! |
| Durgal | Tuesday, December 26, 2000 - 10:11 am
Muwaadin
When I was in Mogadishu in 1992 I used to go Balidoogle most of the time. Sometimes I used to stop Afgooye, Daafed and not only eat fresh fruits, mango, grape, bannana but also eat Canjeero iyo beer Ari. That was good time, but agian when I come back to Xamar,people were dying, killed and robbed. I love Somalia and want to make better place. I grew up in Baydhabo though My family comes from Hobyo. If anyone would be fan of Xamar it would be me. After all who is in charge. However, I kind grown apart form that kind of blind loyalty. I am my own man, and Somalia is a new country. We need to set the expectations higher, especially moral wise, the line between what is right and what is wrong should very clear. •••• the clan loyalty.We need to demand the basic rights of every member of the community. Guys please listen to me you have two choices, either,you individauly, start exercing your reasoning power,and think what is better for the somali community as whole, and put up a fight no matter who is against it or just play along, let uneducated,old suckers lead us into never-ending tribal fueds, divided nation,decaying religion,people dumping nuclear waste on our beaches,permenant refugee status. These suckers who are there in Xamar right now, are too stupid to fix anything, and they will hand Somalia over to the enemy, because their actions are precisely consistant with somebody who wants to be colonized.What can we do? We need to forget these people start taking our god danm responsiblity. Lets take over our destination with help of Alah. Life is struggle between forceses of evil and forces of good no one can afford to be in the middle. Brother and Sisters we must learn how we can make Somalia better place to live, if that means going to college studying how to manange,rule,destroy these little suckers so be it, if it means going back to our Islamic roots and learning shariica be it as well. Or we can do nothing, stop functioning, becuase we are too stupid to reach our place in the world. Time will tell which course we took. Until then I am not going to sit and wait others. One final word, if you care about your people, take individual rsponsibility,then find someone who is religiously sound, intelligent, and motivated. Together you can make a difference. |
| MAD MAC | Wednesday, December 27, 2000 - 04:54 am
Durgal
I lived in Baledogle for a few months. I went there in Mid December and left the end of February. A little hot and dry, but kind of cool. You and I covered a lot of the same gound near the same time frames. Afgooye, Wanle Weyne, Yaaq Bari Weyne. I also went down to Merca for a bit. That road was loaded with bandits, so you must have been aligned with the USC to have free movement on it. If your family is from Hobyo then I'm guessing here, Haber Gedir Sa'ad????? I knew a guy who was also USC aligned nick-named Ali Banjo. He was Galjeel. You know him by chance???? He lived in Wanle Weyne but he fought in one of the battles around Baledogle (we buried some of the skeletons left lying out there) against Siad Barres forces when they launched that counterattack that was ultimately defeated near the bridge at Afgooye. It sure is a small world. I'd love to be back there now. |
| durgal | Wednesday, December 27, 2000 - 03:31 pm
Mac
Sometimes I was trading, others bored by the clan warfare, Abgaal habargidir fighting, I used to take fresh air to afgooye,daafeed. I lived baydhabo janaayo about ten years.In terms never-ending subclans, yes I am Sacad. like you are may be New Yorkan. It still does not make any sense to divide ourselves into such tiny groups, but hey this is social reality. I don't like the current Habrgidir "leadership" name all Aideed, Caato, Qaasim. If there is one habargidir guy which I respect he would be Abdulaahi Isse, from what I have read so far he was the most intelligent, far-sighted, somali politician. |
| wisdom | Wednesday, December 27, 2000 - 07:55 pm
muwaadin what do u mean by when u said:
".....after the USC-Barre war..."
u know very well that the USC weren't just against Barre...all the ppl in somalia where saying "Ilaahayow kan (Siad Barre)naga saar"... and every one taught it was going to be peace now that Siad Barre had left...but the USC didn't just want to over throw, they started slaughtering ppl just coz they were darood...and went to capture kismayo...if the ppl who lived in xamar had known that...there would have been a fight in xamar and no one would have left...but the ppl taught that they would go back to their houses when Siad Barre leaves and the fighting ceases...but it was a complete different story when Siad Barre left...
in conclusion u r wrong to say it was a USC-Barre war...all the ppl thought in the beginning it was like that...but in reality it was far from that... |
| MAD MAC | Thursday, December 28, 2000 - 12:17 am
Durgal
Guess you didn't know Ali Banjo. Anyway, the Haber Gedir leader I respect most in General Galal. When the USC defeated the Barre regime he refused to participate in the subsequent blood bath. And has refused ever since.
When was the last time you were back? |
| Anonymous | Friday, December 29, 2000 - 10:54 am
Mad Mac Listen fool. General Galal has a Blood on his hand
Who Killed the most Educated Somali Professor, that Somali ever had?
Have you ever heard Professor Abyan?
Galal Is a serial Killer and he will face justice some day.
Mad Cow don't ever open your stinky mouth if you are ill informed about somalia |
| Hebel | Friday, December 29, 2000 - 06:53 pm
I just had my Lease renewed, so U guys go ahead and head on back, I'll be right behind ya.
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In 55 yrs when my nerves go numb |
| MAD MAC | Saturday, December 30, 2000 - 11:15 am
Anonymous
Never heard of this professor and never heard anyone say Galal was a serial killer. I know that when the USC fell apart Galal refused to participate in the subsequent fighting. That much I do know. If he were a serial killer it seems to me he would have taken advantage of the situation and had a field day, like Morgan did. |
| Anonymous | Saturday, December 30, 2000 - 12:40 pm
Mad Mac Whether Morgan killed an innocent people remain to be seen. but its well know to Somalis what General galal Did even his people knows that.
this man love to kill an innocent people his resent failure was city called "Balad" |
