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     | Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 09:18 pm Hi Guys and Ladies. Just curious startin this conversation about our fellow sister Iman who married to David Bowie, to me I think that is a better decision to her than bringing a Bantu child in her society, like other somali-model Weris Dhiriye she married a Black man from america, which made alot of suprise among us. anyways whats ur Opinion Guys. again its me Kaltuun
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 02:51 am Kaltuun My opinion is it's none of our business. Who gets married to whom is a personal choice. The voyeurism that is displayed by the media concerning such events and the tabloid talk is revolting. I think it's safe to say she made a choice that was not IAW the dictates of Islam - although I don't know if she's Muslim or not. Otherwise, the choices that she and Waris Dirie made were their own choices and we really shouldn't speculate on them. We don't know them personally, we don't know the circumstances, it's not for us to judge their relationships one way or the other.
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 03:20 am Kaltuun, I remember responding to one of your other posts.Sister,you are probably one of the most racist women in this forum.Iman and waris dherie made their own choices and it's their buisiness.If they chose not to marry somali men,they could have a valid reason.It's amazing how some somalis have the nerve to talk •••• about these two upstanding individuals,who have done so much for our people. I understand how some feel that they've abandoned somali culture,but this is what happens sometimes when people live abroad. Last,I think I should mention that IMAN now has two children one is all black(african american/somali)and is about 21 years old.The other is mixed(white/somali).Both are beautifull. peace 7 love, shimbir
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 03:23 am Mad mac, I agree, there was a media-frenzy when iman and david had their baby.Tell me-in your opinion how does race factor into it all?.I never really gave it much thought before now. shimbir
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 04:25 am Well I would say that I would never marry a non-muslim man, not to mention bisexual (aledgadly). But hey she loves him rite? If claimed to be muslim, which I dont think she even does, then it would matter but she has chosen the luxuries and fame in this world over a humble modest life. Good luck to her.
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 05:05 am Shimir I personally don't think race is important. I have dated all sorts of women - white, black (even Somali), Asian - each one was an individual with individual traits. My friends don't care, and if they did care they wouldn't be my friends. But I do understand that among Somalis there is certainly a strong undercurrent that resents seeing its woman marry non-Somalis. This is aggravated when the man in question is non-Muslim. I remember there was an Abgal woman I really liked a lot, she was as sweet as sweet can be. But she also said she would never date a non-Somali (it could be that she didn't like short white guys and this made a good excuse - I don't know). I tried hard to gain her interest, and surprisingly her Dad approved of me but she wouldn't bite. So my feeling is that each person has to make his own decisions when it comes to picking a spouse. I would hope that in the case of Imam and Waris Dirie they fell in love with their men and that was the motivating factor. But I honestly don't know.
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 05:14 am So Mad Mac out of Curiosity are U not somali?
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 05:34 am This one goes to kaltun: bitch mind ur own business.who needs ur stupid opinion any way?
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 05:49 am Hey people, i really wana know , do you people follow the quran and sunnah?????? Iman and waris are two women born in (fetra= nature)as muslim ke our father Ibrahem, with addtion that there parents are muslims. Those girls left the path of allah and followed the darkness of the devil,true they mad sins, but the greatest sin after dissobaying allah, is marrying a non muslim, this trully as allah and his massenger clearly said they mustn't. The two girls i bit don't know there religon well enough..they did alot of xaraams sucj as Zena (maybe), everything in them is unislamic. Anywayz, bottom line, they are way away from allah's path, hopefully inshallah one day they will gain guidness and return to the truth.
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 07:46 am Sistah X I think it would be obvious that I am not Somali. I am white American. I was in Somalia in 92, 93 and 94. Muslima I agree with you that they apparently were born into Islam and have strayed. However, Islam is a personal choice. Alas judgement must, in accordance with the Qur'an, be left to Allah.
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 07:58 am Hey mad mac why the hell you are surfing our website any way? motherfucker i hate your little FBI ass....... go the hell bitch......
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 08:28 am Waris married a black man that cool u know, but Eman that ugle bitch she made a •••• up choice. I feel sory for her family it's just sad. peace
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 10:24 am Mad mac, I actually meant-do you think race is a factor in explaining why there is so much media-hoopla about iman,david and their new baby?I mean,until now a lot of people didn't even know that the two were married. bye, shimbir
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 11:24 am To.Kaltuun Iman had a Nigger husband and Daughter "20 year old black girl" before she married this faggot David but my Question to you all is why even bring this nonsense on public. Iman and Waris don't represent Somali community so let it go both of them are disgrace whores Later
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 11:24 am It's sad for all of us to see how far the Somali people have gone and being brain washed when it comes to issues such as slam and their culture. I really do not care how liberal you are or how little you understand slam, but how dare you think that it's ok for Muslim lady to being married to Non Muslin. What sort of religion are we follow if any. In the case Iman I think its even worst, the guy she is married is not only non muslin but he is also openly Bisexual male, SO people are you telling me that we as Somali Muslims approve the Homosexual and accept them openly. Please tell me if that is the case because from what I know, this thing are not acceptable in our religion and our culture. To Kaltum my question to you is, as far as I am concern both ladies are married non muslin, but Iman is even more Disgusting because she openly married to Bisexual Guy, and by the way what is wrong with black men and how do you see your self, for sure you not white and I know we are not Asian either so tell me if you are non of the above What are you ?
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 12:05 pm Kaltuun...........1.whats up with the non sense girl..........2.how dare u think u r better than other races.....3.is it any of ur business........4.magaca DHIG....... I dont know about Waris...i neva even heard her name b4.....but Imaan is my habaryar.....and i am not sayin' this cuz we r related but what ever she did is between her and Allah only......no matter what we say it wont change the fact that she DID marry the non muslim guy....and that he IS bisexual.......... When ever i ask my mom why did Iman do this and that......she says NAAYAA US.....MAXAA KAA GALAY...........so even though i get mad when she says that.....ama have to say it to pple so ignorant like Kaltuun -wannabe- ....MAXAA KAAGA SHAN IYO TOBAN abaay...... BTW anon.........dont feel sorry for her family.....cuz they dont feel sorry for them selves.....they got her $$$ adios
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| | Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 06:04 pm TO MADMAC UR IGNORANT. U DON'T KNOW WHAT U TALKING PERIOD. TO SHIMBIR COULD U TELL ALL OF US WHAT THESE BITCHES DID TO OUR PEOPLE. AND DON'T U KNOW THEY COMMITTING ZINA. AND DO U KNOW THE SO CALLED DAVID BOWIE IS BI-SEXUAL AND RETIRED FAG. LEARN THE SITUATION BEFORE U START SAYING THIS AND THAT.
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| | Friday, January 26, 2001 - 06:25 pm YOu all talk about David Bowie as being a Fag when most of the muslims in arabia are faggots. Go and live in Saudia Arabia and other Arabia countries and you will see who the real fags are. Muslims and gays are all in islam - the best kept secret! So when you point the finger at someone make sure there is no mirrow close around you!!!!!!!!!!
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| | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 08:34 am Kaltuun you need get a life. this is not the topic you should post on here. how do we know whether they make right choices. it is up to them and if they not good muslims and even not muslims again is up to them. as far as your topic goes you yourself are confused. if you want marry white person go ahead but do not come here with your concerns and recism thoughts and in fact your unislamic way of thinking about race. what is wrong if a muslims lady marries a good, godfearing blak brother instead a non-muslims white. and BTW are not you yourself a black. we can talk about iman and weris only if we are dicsusing moralty.
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| | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:26 pm Somaliman It is a free country. Shimbir To honest I haven't seen much coverage on the subject. But I would assume that if there is, race would probably be a factor. The tabloids look for anything and try and make it an issue wherever they can. Ice Man I'm sure you're a saint. Nubian Boy Oh I don't do I. I can read •••••••.
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| | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 09:40 am Iman is a smart woman. I respect her b/c she made herself a name in this world which i can't say for a lot of u. Her after life is between her and her CREATOR and is none of ur business. Now b4 u all attack me for spkeaking my mind, let me make this clear for u. I DON'T AGREE WITH HER CHOICE OF LIFE STYLE, SIMPLY B/C IT'S UNISLAMIC AND I DON'T COMPROMSIE MY BELIEFS WITH ANBODY. However, it's her choice and should be left like that and when i I said that she is a smart woman i meant by this. She came to this country at the age of 21, now she owns her own company. While other models are suffering from drug addiction. How she found her wealth isn't legit but, that's how she chose to do it. What a waits her in the after life is not ours to say, after all do any of u know where u gonna end up in the after life? My point exactly. Peace.
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| | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 10:31 am please kaltuun get a life. you are an ignorant and racist person? you have some self hatred and you are confused. we somalis are black and please kaltuun bleach yourself like micheal jackson. that is even better. you are an oreo cooke, a coconut. ABout Iman and other so called somali models. actually they are not models of righteousness. they have gone out of the islamic circle and they have decided to sell their bodies and become sex objects. modelling is female degredation. we should not encourage it. i had a young teenage niece who was so beautiful. some people approached her and asked her to be a model. they have taken her to agencies and they told her she has a prospective. thw girl was muhajaba but grew up in canada. when she consulted with her parents and they talked about it, she decided not to do it. she now in islamic school and she would like to go to an slamic university in the middle east. most of our young somali sisters are beautiful and exotic. they can be influenced easily. if they don't have good islamic upbringing , they will fall into the trap. i don't like IMAN, weris, or other models. actually i despise, weris for her ignorance and lies. about IMAN, her name is a misnomer. Her name is IMAN ABDULMAJID, IMA means faith and she has no islamic faith at the moment. period. who said she has done anything for Somalia???? that is a lie. she went to baidhabo in 1993 for photo-op. that is typical hollywood style.
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| | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 04:14 am MadMac are U muslim? If so when did U convert to Islam? Were U always Muslim? What made U convert? Why did U go to somalia? I just find it interesting :-) sorry If I'm asking too much! Oh, one more question..actually two....what do U think of somali ppl and their being segragated into meaningless tribes (sorry if that sounds biest)....and do U speak somali?
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| | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 05:02 am Sister x OK, here I go. Am I Muslim? No. At least not in the strictest definition of that term. Why did I go to Somalia: The Army sent me there. What do I think of Somali people? I love them. What do I think about meaningless tribes? Actually the Somalis don't have tribes, they have clans. The Somalis are one ethnic group. I think the clan system is basically stupid - but a natural development. Humans always find ways to differentiate themselves, usually for the purpsoes of security. But in the case of Somalia it has backfired and is more a destructive force than a positive one. Do I speak Somali? Myah. At least not much.
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| | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 05:16 am Mad Mac what do U mean "no, at leat not in the strictest of terms"? U are either muslim or not! Are U researching in it? what puts U off Islam? Why do U love somali ppl? I am kinda new to the forum but reading some of the things U have written it seemed U know quite alot about Islam, alot more than these young somali muslims. I dont understand how the father of the girl U liked could have approved of U since U are not muslim....As U can probably tell I am a muslim somali sistah. I think if somali ppl took Islam more seriously than their clans they would be alot more developed than they are now. What would U suggest would improve the situation in somalia?
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| | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 11:41 am Now the topic at hand has changed to MAD MAC and his relations with Somali people. Well folks, this I must admit is a far more interesting subject than Iman. Her personal life doesn't really attract me in anyway. All I know is that she is famous. Tell us MAD MAC, how old are you, you seem well read, so I assume you are in your mid thirties or forties. I simply ask because I'd like to put a picture to the face, and I am overly imaginative. I understand you are in the army, navy one of the two, and that you are not a Muslim in the "truest sense" ? Whatever that means. So will you tell me a bit about you, as you are the only person on this forum worth addressing. Please if you don't wish to answer my questions, as they might be too personal, I understand just be civil about it, no need for insults. This is for Sistah-X, what makes you think that Mad Mac has the answer to improving our situation in Somalia. I mean you hardly know him and here you are asking him whether he knows how to rebuild our nation ???
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| | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 12:14 pm Waa jawaab Gaaldile ka bixiyay Mad Mac oo yiri: Soomaali kirishtaan ah ayaa Soomaaliya looga baahan yahay, soomaali badanna ay si fiicaan uga qiiroodeen gaalkaan eyga ah ee na loo soo diray oo hadda dadkii laba qabsaday qaarna maskaxdaba ka xaday sida Sister X (Allaha ku soo hanuuniyo Sister X). =================== Walaalaha Soomaalida ah ee muslimiinta ah ee diintooda difaacay waxaan idinku salaamay salaanta Islaamka: AL SALAAMU CALAYKUN WA RAXMATULLAAHI,... Salaanta Islaamka kaddib, Waxaad ogaataan in Rabbi agtiisa ajri weyn aad ku leedihiin sidaad diintiinna XAQA ah u difaacdeen, gaalada cadawga Rabbi ah ee meeshaan dadka gaalnimada uga naadiyayna aad ugu jawaabteen, ogaada camalkaas aad sameyseen ma sahlana khayr Alle haydin siiyo waana WAAJIB diini ah, waxaan Rabbi ka baryay in intiinna ka kululaatay gaalka meeshaan ku soo qoray gaalnimaa Soomaaliya looga baahan yahay ee jawaabtiisa siisay in Alle kitaabkiinna khayr iyo xasanaat ka buuxiyo maalinta qiyaamahana khayr idinku abaalmariyo iyo jannadiisa. Ilaahow AAMMIIN. Intaa kaddib, 1) DIIN XAQ AH OO AAN DIINTA ISLAAMKA AHEYN OO ALLE ADDOOMMADIISA KA AQBALAYO MA JIRTO. 2) KIRISHTAANNIMADU (CHRISTIANITY) WAA GAALNIMO QOFKII HAYSTANA WAA GAAL WAA LACNADAN YAHAY (LACANAD BAA KU DHACDAY), NAARTA AYAANA ALLE U YABOOHAY WIXII GAALNIMO IYO KIRISHTAANNIMO KU DHINTA. 3) NABI CIISE (CALEYHI SALAAM) NABI BUU AHAA, ADDOON ILAAHAY AH EE ASAGU ILAAH MA AHEYN SIDA KIRISHTAANKU AAMMINSAN YIHIIN LACANADI HA KU DHACDEE. 4) WIXII NABIYADA CAABUDA AMASE ADDOOMMO KALE AMASE DHAGXAANTA AMASE LO'DA AMASE QORRAXDA AMASE DAYAXA AMASE NABI CIISE SIDA KIRISHTAANKA IYO WAX ALLAALE WIXII ALLE KA SOO HARA WAA GAALOOBEEN LACANADDII ALLENA WAA KU DHACDAY. 5) SOOMAALIYA GAALADII KIRISHTAANKA AHEYD EE ISKU DAYEY INAY SOOMAALIDA GAALEYSIIYAAN WAA LA LAAYAY, XABBAD BAA HOREY LOO RAACSIIYAY MARKUU GAAL KIRISHTAANA KIRISHTAANNIMO IS YIRAAHDO KA FAAFI SOOMAALIYA, WAANA WAAJIB DIINTEENNU NA FAREYSO IN GAALADA FASAADKA WADDA IYO INAY MUSLIMIINTA DIINTOODA KA BEDDELAAN IN LA LAAYO OO WALIBA SI XUN LOO LAAYO IYADOON LOO NIXIN. 6) QOFKII ISLAANNIMO KU DHASHAY KUNA BARBAARAY OO DIINTIISA MARKAAS KADDIB KA BAXA AMA BEDDELA WAXAA WAAJIB AH IN LA DILO, MAGACIISANA WAXAA LA YIRAAHDAA "MURTAD", SIDA NABIGU YIRI: [(CALEYHI AL SALAATU WA ALSALAAM): QOFKII DIINTIISA BEDDELA WAA INAAD DISHAAN] WAXAANA DILKIISA LEH MADAXDA MUSLIMIINTA, XUKUNKIISANA WAXAA LEH QAALLIYAASHA MUSLIMIINTA. 7) SOOMAALIYA TAARIIKH AHAAN GAALADU WAA KU DHICI WEYSAY IN DIIN ISLAAMKA KA DUWAN AY SOO GELIYAAN SOOMAALIYA ILAAHAY BAANA KA ILAALIYAY, HADDA KADDIB MA AWOODI DOONAAN GAALADU HADDAY JECEL YIHIIN IN SOOMAALIDU GAALOOWDO ILAAHAY BAANA KA ILAALIN DOONA. 8) SOOMAALIDU WAA DAD DIINTOODA AAD UGU ADAG WAXAA JIRTAY IN XATAA BAADIYAHA MARKAY SOOMAALIDU JOOGTO WAXAY ORAN JIREEN (WAR HASHA HEBLA AH BIYO MA DIIDI JIRINE MA GAAL BEY ARAGTAY) WAXAAD KA GARANEYSAA MEESHA GAALO NACAYBKU SOOMAALI KA GAARSIISAN YAHAY. 9) SOOMAALIDU KA AB KA AB WAXAY KA SOO JEEDAAN DAD ISLAAM AH. 10) QOFKII KU HADLA HADAL GAALNIMO AH EE YIRAAHDA KAFTAN BAAN UGA JEEDAY LAGA AQBALI MAAYO WAX CUDUR DAAR AH WAANA GAAL DHAB AH SIDA ILAAHAY QURAANKIISA KU SHEEGAY, ILAAHAY WUXUU YIRI: (WA LA'IN SA'ALTAHUM LAYAQUULUNNA INNAMAA KUNNAA NAKHUUDHU WA NALCABU QUL ABILLAAHI WA'AAYAATIHI WA RASUULIHI KUNTUM TASTAHZI'UUNA. LAA TACTADIRUU QAD KAFARTUM BACDA IIMAANIKUM...)-SUURATU AL-TOWBA AAYADAHA 65-66. OO MICNAHEEDU YAHAY: [(MARKAY MUNAAFIQIINTU DIINTA KU JEESJEESEEN) HADDAAD SU'AASHO WAXAY ORAN DOONAAN: WAX KALE MAAHEE WAA ISKA KAFTAMEYNAY OO WAAN ISKA CIYAARAYNAY, WAXAAD KU TIRAAHDAA (NABI MAXAMMADOW CALAYHI ALSALAATU WA ALSALAAM) MA ILAAHAY IYO AAYADIHIISA IYO RASUULKIISA YAAD KU JEESJEESEYSEEN. WAXBA HA CUDURDAARANNINA WAA GAALOWDEEN ISLAANNIMO KADDIB...] WAXAAD ARKEYSAA IN ALLE KU SHEEGAY GAALO DHAB AH OO AYSAN MUSLIM AHEYN. SOOMAALIYAY, ABWAANKII GABYAY EE GAALADA NEBCAA WUXUU YIRI: Xalay gelin dhexaadkii miyaan gudub u soo booday Sida nimanka gaadhka ah miyaan gabay ku soo jeeday Garaadlaawe aadmiga miyaan gees walba u eegay Goonyaha miyaan dayay kufriga ina gabraaraaya Gaalkaan gudnayn ee cirradu guudka kaga taallo Asaad gudaha geedaha ka baxay guri cidla'a mooddo Oo uu gasiinkiisu yahay neefaan biri gaarin Oo guuldarreystoow khamriga gacan togleynaaya Ginigini haddaad qaadataan naari garab joogto Guushiyo hadday doonayaan geelal iyo xoolo May nala garaacaan kufriga gocorka laadlaadshay May goobtan joogaan jannaa loo gembiyayaaye Gaalada Kirishtaanka ah ee rabta in Soomaalidu gaaloobaan oo kirishtaan sidoodoo kale ah noqdaan waxaan idin leeyahay: Gaalka la baxay Warsame ama Soomali ahow ama ha ahaannine kolley gaal dhab ah baad tahay waxaad nasiib ku yeelatay inaad maanta internet dhexdi ka hadleyso ee aannaan kula joogin, Ilaahay waa og yahay inaadan nabad ku fadhideen. Gaalka la baxay MO-man waxaan leeyahay Diinteenna Islaamku ma qabto wax la yiraahdo "Xornimo Diineed" oo sida adigu aad u sheegtay ah, waa marka horee waxaan Islaam ahayn Alle addoommada ka aqbali maayo, sida Alleba yiri [qofkii waxaan Islaam aheyn diin ahaan u doona lagama aqbali doono aakhirana wuxuu ka mid yahay kuwa khasaaray], waxaa waajib ku ah muslimiinta dushooda oo Alle ku waajibiyay JIHAADKA oo ah waajib diini ah waana dagaalka ama dirirta lagu qaado gaalada si loo soo islaamiyo oo ay diinta u soo galaan marka jihaadka gaalada lagu qaado oo guryahooda iyo goballadooda loogu tago hadday soo islaamaan oo islaannimada oggolaadaan waa sidii la rabay waana laga yeelayaa muslimiin dhab ahna noqdaan haddayse gacmaha taagaan oo yiraahdaan nabad baan rabnaa yaan nala laynin diinteennana ha naloo daayo wixii muslimiinta noogu taliyaanna waan yeeleynaa shareecada Islaamku waxay qabtaa in markaas lagu qoro dushooda XOOLO/MAAL CANSHUUR AH amase sida shareecadu u taqaanno JIZYAH (oo aad taqaanno gaalyohow MO-man) oo ay muslimiinta siinayaan sanad walba ayagoo weliba dulleysan diintoodana markaas waa loo oggolaanayaa guryohooda iyo kaniisadihii dhulkooda awalba ku yiil ee loogu yimid inay waxoodaas ku haystaan ayagoo aan bannaanka la imaan karin qof muslim ahna diintooda ugu yeeri karin macatab (istillaabta kirishtada)na aan bannaanka soo dhigi karin lana weel duwo oo musqulahooda iyo meelahoodu gaar u yihiin oo goobaha bulshada muslimka ahna aan wax xiriir ah ka dhexeyn sidaasuna waa sida aad adiguba gaalyohow MO-man aad sheegtay oo aad og tahay laakiin aad qarineyso ee uu sameeyay Amiirul Mu'miniin Cumar ibnul Khadaab (Allaha ka raalli noqdee) markii uu jihaadka ku qabtay magaalada barakeysan ee Quddus ee hadda nijaasada Yuhuuddu joogto. Waxaa Rabbi noo sheegay markaan jihaadka ka tagno oo aan adduunyo jeclaanno oo gaalo loo tago sida haddaba nagu dhacday in Ilaahay cadawgaas gaalka ah nagu salladayo oo uu markaas weliba haweysanayo inuu diinta naga saaro taasoo ay aad u rabaan. Gaaladu ma rabaan oo waa beentood waxay Kirishtaanka ku shegayaan oo iyaguba waa og yihiin inaysan diin aheyn oo wax baaddil ah tahay laakiin waxay doonayaan inay muslimiinta diintooda ka saaraan oo keliya ama kirishtaan markaas ha noqdeen ama hayska daayaan. Gaalka la baxay Mad Mac: Rabbi waa ku lacnaday, lacanadi kugu dhacday adigoo Rasuulkeennii Maxammad ahaa (caleyhi Al Salaatu Wa Al Salaam) caayay oo yiri ficilkiisa iyo qowlkiisa macsuum ma aha (wax Alle dhowray maaha) oo waad caabudeen yiri maanta hadal ilama sii wadeen, waxaad ku fakatay gaalyohow inaad internet wax ku soo qoreyso oo aanan kula joogin markaasaad arki laheyd indhaha kugu yaal inay kugu sii yaallaan, Ilaahay ku qabay. GAALO ILAAHAY HA IDINKU LACANADO ADDUUNKA IYO AAKHIRABA MAADAAMA AAD XASAD KU TIHIIN MUSLIMIINTA OO DHAN GUUD AHAAN IYO MUSLIMIINTA SOOMAALIDA AH GAAR AHAAN, LACNADAHA ALLE OO IS DABA JOOG AH HAYDINKU DHACAAN, WAXAAN ILAAHAY KA BARINNAY HADDAAN MUSLIMIIN SAX AH NAHAY OO TOWXIIDKA RABBI HAYSTA INUU ILAAHAY IDIN QABTO OO IDINKU SALLADO MALAA'IGTIISA IYO JUNDIGIISA AAN CIDINA OGEYN ASAGA MAAHEE, WAXAAN ILAAHAY KA BARINNAY INUU GACMIHIINNA QALLAJIYO AAD U ADEEGSATEEN MUSLIMIINTA GAALEYSIINTEEDA. ILAAHOOW WAXAAN KAA BARINNAY INAAD ISLAANNIMO NAGU NOOLEYSO NAGUNA OOFSATO ANNAGOO MUSLIMIIN DHABA AH. ILAAHOOW WAXAAN KAA BARINNAY WIXII ISLAANNIMADA IYO DIINTEENNA NOOGU CIIL QABA OO RABA INAY DUMARKEENNA IYO RAGGEENNA IYO CARRUURTEENNA GAALEYSIIYAAN ILAAHOOW MAKRIGOODA AYAGA KU CELI CADAABTA ADDUUNKANA U SOO DEDEJI. ILAAHOOW GAALADA KIRISHTAANKA AH EE RABA INAY CARRUURTANNADA GAALEYSIIYAAN ILAAHOW BELAAYO IYO BAAS KU SALLAD ILAAHOW HA U SUUROGELIN INAY HAL QOF GAALEYSIIYAAN ILAAHOW NAGA QABO ADIGAA AWOOD U LEH ADIGAANAN ADDOOMMO KUU NAHAY. ILAAHOOW DALKANNAGA SOOMAALIYA NABAD IYO BARWAAQO IYO BARAARE IYO MEEL KITAABKAAGA IYO DIINTAADA IYO SUNNADA NABIGAAGA (CALEYHI AL SALAATU WA ALSALAAM) LOOGA DHAQMO KA YEEL. ILAAHOOW QULUUBTA DADKA SOOMAALIDA AH ISU SOO CELI ADIGA KALIGAA UUN BAA ISU SOO CELIN KARA CID KALE OO ISU SOO CELIN KARTANA MA JIRTEE. ILAAHOOW SOOMAALIDA QAXOOTIGA IYO ARDI QURBAHA IYO KHAMRIGA IYO DAROOGADA IYO ZINADA IYO FAAXISHADA IYO QABYAALADDA IYO INTII XUN OO DHANBA KA BIXI.
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| | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 01:52 pm Hello everyone KALTUUN Let me start off with you girl? I hope U got your history on IMAN right coz like ICEMAN said in his comment IMAN has a child ( Zulekha) by an ex-basketball player who happens to be a Nigger. Waris is not even on our list coz if U ask me she leads the list of Morons. HONESTGIRL..... LOL  Habaryar. Aaaaaah so nice looking out for your family. Go girl MADMAC I see you still causing quite a stir here. I say to you ENCORE PEACE Troubl£
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| | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 10:45 pm Hi T-girl!! Miss you Abai. Drop me a line sometime. Sistah X & Inquiring Mind. Here goes. Be ready for the subsequent fire storm. First about the basics. I am 39 years old (damn good analysis IM). I graduated from a small military college in Vermont (Norwich) and have been in the Army for 16 1/2 years. I am a white guy. As for the firls father (I'll leave her nameless lest someone here know here) I can't explain that. Her sister liked me, her father liked me - they were both VERY nice to me. Her Mother HATED me, her brother HATED me. I think I was a controversial figure. I can't say why her father was approving. I don't know. Maybe he was just being polite. I only talked about Islam with her, and then not all that much. She wasn't very aware in that area nor did she know a whole lot about the Somali political situation. But she was sweet and we were a good fit. Either for religious or cultural reasons (I suspect she feared the approbation of her friends) she gave me the thumbs down (Maybe she just doesn't like short white guys). Anyway, enough about that. Here's my position on Islam (and religion in general). I believe Mohammed was a great Prophet, but I woudl define prophet differently from you. I think that we all have the ability to commune with God, but some of us do this better than others. I think Mohammed, Bhudda, Issa, Joseph Smith and so on had this ability to a much greater extent than most of us (we all have different talents after all). But I don't think they had a perfect ability. Hence I reject the absolutism of Islam. I think the Qur'an was divinely inspired but not divine. I think it is useful when taken in context with the larger picture. I also think the different "Prophets" were prfoundly influenced by their own particular cultures and times. Hence you might call me an agnostic, but that wouldn't be altogether accurrate either. I look for common themes in the different religious doctrines, but I do not think one of them is "right". I don't think I need to pick one. Hence I am sure you would say I am not a Muslim, although I would say I sort of am. I fell in love with Somalia when I deployed there in 1992 as part of Operation Restore Hope. I spent a good deal of time there in 92, 93, and 94. You guys can ask me anything you want. I'm an open book and I'm tough to offend.
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| | Monday, January 29, 2001 - 11:35 pm To: Mad-Mac Gaal dile = Gaal Killer 1. The brother is wishing you died horrible death! Violent death! Fatal accident! such as: 2. Plane crush 3. Car crash 4. Train crash 5. Earth quake 6. Burning in hell, forever and ever Death or alive while you are being raped by 2 skinny moriyaan ! 7. Cursing 8. Cursing 9. More cursing 10. Cursing and swearing............. My Gawd! Gaal-dile dude you are really meaaaan ! MadMan is not here to preach any one pahleeeeeeees stop the insanity Mother-f*cker... What a wicked dude....
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 03:20 am Gaal dile idiot be civil. Mad Mac "the qur'an is divinely inspired but not divine" I dont understand...do U mean U think it has a connection with God but not exactly God's words? Elaborate plz. Have U read the Qur'ran? U why do U not think Islam isn't Absolute? MadMac Do U not think that we have been put in this earth for a "reason". Which part of Islam sudgests it is not Absolute in your opinion? Islam is the only religion I have seen that IS Absolute (in my opinion) but then I have studied a fair amount of it and have read the qur'an. I feel it is very much DIVINE. It gives out a clear and concise message to the whole of mankind. Inqu Mind- I simply asked for MADMAC's opinion. since He knows alot more than I do about the political sitution in somalia and was there to see what was happening. I havent been there since the age of three. But U assume it is "useless" to ask for the opinion of a "white man"????? I wouldn't necessarily have to agree with him...but there is no harm in asking.
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 04:53 am Can we please talk about something more meaningfull than a sellout somali woman who married a faggot. Mad Mac, what makes you think you know anything about our religon?, and how dare compare our great prophets to budda and joseph smith.
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 05:22 am Hassan I just love that "How dare you.. blah blah blah." It is a free country dude. Ever hear of freedom of expression? You don't like it, you can debate your point or not read it at all. But why you would think the "how dare you" line is going to work with me, I don't know. She-devil Thaks for the abbreviated translation. His prolific cursing is impressive. I mean, he wrote a whole series of paras wishing me ill - or so it would seem. Oh well, can't please everyone. Sistah X. What I mean by divinely inspired is I believe Mohammed meant everything he wrote. But I also believe that neither he nor anyone else has a perfect connection with Allah. Thgus the message gets garbled in translation. Same with Bhudda, same with Joseph Smith, and undoubtedly the same with others we've never heard of. There are grains of truth, but the whole message isn't perfect. Within the more or less limited abilities the prophets try and get the message as straight as possible. Hence the message is divinely inspired but not perfect. If it had come directly from God (and I know you believe it did) then I would believe it is divine. The fundamental rub I have (and I have small ones - but here's the biggy) is why are all the great Prophets located in the Middle East??? Why the focus there (starting with Judaism) on monotheism?? Where's the Chinese Mohammed and Issa and Moses??? I mean, China was a more developed society than the Middle East was around this time frame. Where's the Incan Mohammed?? See my point? But what if instead of God giving Mohammed the message, Mohammed was gifted and went and got it?? What if God doesn't actually pick the prophets?? What if the message is there all the time, but it's harder for some to understand it than others?? What role would culture, linguistics and background have in receivnig this message??? I don't expect anyone here on this net to buy into this. In fact, I don't care if you do or not. From my way of thinking "the truth" is not here for us to find. The answer to "Why are we here?" My opinion is we don't know. I definately do not believe it is to serve Allah. I definately do not believe it is some sort of a test. I suspect it might be some sort of training ground, but I'm not sure. I don't think we need to know. If we did need to know, I think Allah would make it unequivocal. There would be no kufaar and no disbelievers. BTW I have read the Qur'an. As for improving the political situation in Somalia (Sorry I should have answered that before). That is a long one. To make a long story short, Somalia needs the following: a. A legal system that punishes political corruption in the harshest possible terms. b. Focus it's limited assets on two things; security and education. Somalia has several things going for it. GREAT location. Right on the horn, astride major trade routes. The ports of Boosaso and Berbera should be enhanced. A rail line needs to be built to Addis to enhance Berberas appeal as an alternative or additional port to Djibouti and Eritreas. Weather. Perfect weather. No storms, not too hot (at least in the south) and not too cold. Homogenous population. Somalis, although they tend to forget this, are essentially one ethnic group. One language. From the civil war we now have a Somali populatin that has lived in many places. The Japanese have this tradition that says "Japan takes the best from all over the world and makes it her own." Somalia needs to do the same. And with this diaspora returning it is in a great position to do so. However, the people who fled will not return until the situation is stable. That's the short version. There's a lot more to it, but I think you get the idea. If you want to talk specifics on how to achieve a settlement I'll be happy to go into that.
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 05:57 am Well as far as your opinion on the politicalk situation in somalia I have to agree with U in every way. Like I said I dont know that much about it but what U are saying sound very possitive and I hope the other somali people can also see that somalia does have hope when it comes to its developement. It is a slow process but inshallah we will one day be settledin our home land where we can live securely. feeling that we "belong" As for ur views on Islam let me answere some of ur questions since U have been so kind in answering mine. starting with "why is there no chinese Mohamed, issa, moses?" well U must understands that Allah tells us there were many prophets since the creation of man Adam being the first prophet, there have been hundreds in fact....see no nation has ever had to survive without having sent some knowlege about Allah, his oneness and the day of resurrection. Although most of the prophets which have had "scriptures" were in the middle east, not all prophets were if u get my drift. China may well have had a prophet! The truth is that no nation has gone without hearing the truth whether they chose to abide by it is not the issue. As for your second question. "But what if instead of giving Mohammed the message, Mohammed was gifted and went and got it?? What if God doesn't actually pick the prophets?? What if the message is there all the time, but it's harder for some to understand it than others??" One thing is for sure U ask alot of "what ifs" it always easy to say what if because there is never an answer for "what if". But if U lessen the critical part of ur reading and when reading the Qur'an read it in a manner seeking knowlege rather than LOOKING for SOMETHING to be wrong it. And when U find NOTHING is wrong with it,, when U see that it is in fact perfect, that is when U ask "what if?" because U wont get an answere. My answere to that question is Mohammed did not "find " the Qur'an it was given to him. he did NOT write the qur'an as he was illiterate...did U know that? It is nice to have a meaningful discussion this forum is cool!
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 06:29 am Mad Mac, your right it is a free country, but take your views on religon to where they are wanted. Somalia needs Islamic law to govern rather than one clan. Your are right about soamlis taking the best from other countries, that is what we need to do if our counrty is to fulfill its potential.
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 11:47 am You Somalis who are chatting in this topic!!, one thing the one (Mad goat) who insulted our Prophet Mohamed (Calayhi Al Salatu Wa Al Salam) and is a serious Islam opponent and a propagator of his false Christianity through SomaliNet.com, you are chatting peacefully with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! waxay daliil u tahay inaad diintiinnii wax kulayl iyo qabow ah aysan idinku hayn. War gaalka gaalku dhalay hadalkiisa iska daaya oo shaqo yeesha nacalad haydinku dhici weyso e!!!!! Warrooooy gaalada loo xaglinaayo diinkay idinka bixinayaan, hadallada kale ee uu leeyahay ee soomaalida wixii ay dalkooda ka qaban lahaayeen iyo siday yeeli lahaayeen Soomaalida ayey u taallaa, bal isaga maxaa ka khuseeya gaalka. Walaalayaal haddii wax yar oo Islaannimo ah ay idinku jirto nin Nabigii Muxammad ahaa Calayhi Al Salaatu Wa Al Salaam caayay hadal lama aydnaan sii wadeen oo ugu yaraan waad ka gaabsan lahaydeen ama isaga wixii uu mutaystay oo cay ah ayaad ugu soo jawaabi lahaydeen!!! Gaalkaan yuusan idin sirin waqtigana yuusan idinka lumin ee hadalkiisa iska daaya!!! Mad Goat, If could know you I'll come to you and slaughter you and put your head outside the rest of your body, you are fortunate that you are only chatting behind the computer monitor!! That is why you're able now to write your insultings against Islam and our Somali people. Past recent years many Christian callers came to our country and we successfuly executed them in different places in our country and that is why you'll never succeed to cultivate any false faith in our beloved Islamic territory. May Allah slaughter you next time you try to write insults of our DIINTEENNA XAQA AH EE ISLAAMKA IYO NABIGEENNII XAQA AHAA EE MUXAMMAD IBNU CABDILLAAHI IBNU CABDULMUDDALIB. Mad Goat, CALAYKA LACAA'INULLAAHI AL MUTATAALIYAH WAL MUTACAAQIBAH.
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 07:28 pm MAD MAC!! If u r not Somali, what r u doing on the Somali forum. How dare u bring your white ass in our forum. WASAKH YOHOW WASAKHU DHALAY. WHAT U R IS "GRAC SANCADOOLA AH, XAYAWAAN YOHOW SIQIIFKA AH" DHAAN AND MARAAN IS WHAT U R. FUCKING GAAL. HOOYADAADI DHILADA AHAYD IYO ABOOHAAGII SIRKHAAN KA AHAA BA WASS. ILMA-XAARAANYOHOW. FUCKING FAG, STAY OUT OF OUR RELIGION AND FORUM.
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| | Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 09:54 pm Gaal Killer and Sagal. I don't speak Somali so if you want your insults to register you'll have to write in English. Sorry. You want to come kill me here's where you can find me: MAJ McPherson Wilhelmsburg Kaserne Ulm Germany Be advised you're not dealing with Johnny Bannas here. but that's up to you to determine. I've never been afraid of anyone and I am certainly not afraid of you. BTW I am not a Christian. I would have thuoght you would have figured that out by reading what I've actually written in the Islamic forum. Hey Sagal. I'm sure you've never actually read the Qur'an, but did you know that it specifies Gaal are free to pursue religious freedom under the protection of Sharia???? Bet you didn't know that did you? Now on to the more serious issues. SISTAH X I know that the Qur'an says there were prophets before in other places. But what I don't understand is this: Where's the evidence of them. Where are their scriptures. I mean think it through. Allah gives Mohammed this well crafted, poetic work which thrives through the millenia. Why isn't there a Chinese version. And if the first Prophet wasn't successful why not keep sending them until they are, as Islam claims happens in the Judeo-Christian tradition. I realize that from your perspective the Qur'an is flawless. You have faith and accept it in total. There's nothing wrong with that. And I'm not trying to convince you that my theory on the matter is correct. But I feel comfortable that it is. Just as I feel that the Qur'an is flawed. As for Somalia, the political situation there is complicated because the societies is so fractious. But it does have endless possibilities. Somalia should have been the most successful state in Africa. I believe it can be in the future if it just can find it's equilibrium. That's why I'm going back. I believe I can help in that regard and I retire from the Army in three years.
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| | Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 12:05 am Mad Goat, It is not your business whether Somalia would be the most succesful State in Africa or in the whole world, it is upto ourselves who own our country. We know your business: distribute of false misleading cowardly anti-Islam statements and proganda against our DIINTA XAQA AH, RASUULKEENNA CALAYHI AL SALAATU WA AL SALAAM, IYO ALLAHII KOONKAAN ABUURAY EE DULQAADKIISU GAARAY INUU GAALKAAGAN OO KALE U KAADIYO UNA KORTO ILAA UU KAMA DAMBEYSTA QABTO QABASHO ADAG OO QALLAFSAN MAXAA YEELAY ADDOOMMADA ALLAA ABUURAY WAANA KA ADAG YAHAY SUBXAANAHU WA TACAALAA. The cowardly false address you gave is a proof of your cowardness and fearing of the Islamic intelligence who already decided to capture you wherever you stay, I am sure we will capture you, I am sure we will firmly kill you since you committed the biggest crime against the DIINTA ISLAAMKA EE XAQA AH, we know coward Mad Goat where you stay right now, we are IT professionals, through the internet servers we already detected your location, we decided to kill you, we decided to kill you, we decided to kill you. Untill you will get yourself laying in your bad smelling blood, you continue your insults against the Islam, the Muslim Mujaheds decided to award you a special gift. Sagaal iyo toban doofaar iyo sagaal iyo toban eey aa iska kaa dhashay, adiyo waridkaaba Alla cadaabyoo naarta ha geeyo, kun fac kun fac laguu cadaab, nacalad iyo najaasaa dushaadaa.....
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| | Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 03:17 am Gaal Killer My crime against the what? Also I did not give you a false address. I don't know why you think I did. But whatever dude. I see you read the Qur'an as much as your buddy sagal.
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| | Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 03:20 am Out of the messengers of God we know of for certain about 25; they are mentioned in the Quran. However, the Quran also tells us to acknowledge that there were many more prophets, that we have not been told of: "And indeed, We sent forth apostles before thy time; some of the We have mentioned to thee, and some of them We have not mentioned to thee."40:78 The Quran states that among the many prophets that have been named in the Quran, there are others who have not been named therein - leaving wide open the possibility that many prophets whose names are not mentioned in the Quran have also to be accepted by Muslims. The prophets were not, as some people (much like yourself) mistakenly suppose, raised only in the Arabian Peninsula. Such a claim is contrary to the teachings of the Quran and is not based upon any evidence. In fact, we do not even know all of the prophets who were raised in the Arabian Peninsula, let alone in other places of the world. In fact, prophets were raised and sent to the whole of mankind in different lands and at different times. One version of a hadith puts the number of prophets sent to mankind as 124,000 (Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 5, 169); another puts the number at 224,000. Both of these versions, however, should be critically evaluated according to the science of Hadith. Besides, whether the number was 124 or 224 thousand is not important. What is essential is that no land, people or period was neglected; prophets were sent to all. The Qur’an says: "There never was a people without a Warner having lived among them" (35:24) "We would never visit our wrath (chastise any community) until We had sent a Messenger to give warning" (17:15) There may be many religions once of Divine origin which have become distorted and lost their truth. That is why we cannot definitely say that such and such persons were sent as prophets to such and such places-We only may speculate. In sum, the Quran, and history and present reality confirm that God has chosen and sent prophets to every people in different parts of the world, though we only know for certain the exact places of four of them, and though we do not know for certain their exact number. I must agree with Sistah-x,you have found no mistakes in the Quran-you are only unable to make that leap of faith. peace.
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| | Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 03:36 am Mo-Man But try and understand what I'm saying. My point is that there should be more than just the middle eastern books running around that are at least very similar - if not the same in intent. And IF we are going to say that the Qur'an is divine then I think we have to conclude that the Book of Mormon is and the Qur'an is mistaken on the point of Mohammed being the last prophet. And why a last Prophet anyway? Why doesn't God keep ensuring his message is promulgated in as many original languages as possible? Why doesn't he keep it coming? Why doesn't he make it clear - by producing the same book at the same time in different places and through divine intervention making sure that book survives? Why is the message ultimately only set in concrete in one place? Something's wrong there. Something's wrong when one needs faith to be saved.
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| | Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 06:17 am Mac I wouldn't assume that U would even try to convince me that I am wrong, that would be impossible because I believe I am right and U believe U are right. But I dont think either of us talks in vain. I just enjoy this discussion. Mo- thanks I didnt know there were so many Prophets aknowleged! OK..."why a last prophet?" Because the existance of this world is limited....everything is limited except ALLAH. There will be a LAST day therefore the Must be a LAST prophet. The previous prophets did not fail their mission they were all sucessful. The mission was always Islam. Islam=submitance to ONE God (Allah). >"Why doesn't God keep ensuring his message is promulgated in as many original languages as possible?" Well...since Allah has provided a warning to all the nations every existed the answer to this question would be HE HAS! However, it IS significant that the Quran IS in Arabic because Arabic was the language taught to Adam, it is the language spoken by Allah's angels and it will be the language spoken by the inhabitants of paradise. >"Why doesn't God keep ensuring his message is promulgated in as many original languages as possible?" "Why doesn't he make it clear - by producing the same book at the same time in different places and" Allah has not chosen to send thousands of prophets all at the same time, all carrying the same scripture except in different languages.....Gosh....why would he? He has given us the ability of using linguistics...we have the ability to translate the Quran in any language. It is however Our duty that the Quran must not be altered in any way while translating so that the real meaning is not lost. BUT, please understand that any translation of the Quran, ie not inArabic, is not Quran. it is ONLY Quran if it is in Arabic. So U see that the Quran remains unchanged >" through divine intervention making sure that book survives?" By the Will of Allah th Quran has survived for the last nearly 1500 years and it will until the day of resurection. >"Why is the message ultimately only set in concrete in one place?" The message, Islam was ALWAYS concreat...It has been preached all over the world since the creation of man....it is not, as U say, only set in one place. >"Something's wrong when one needs faith to be saved" Whats wrong with having faith? Allah has not created a civiliation for no apparent reason, it's got to be more than "sex, drugs and Rock n Roll" Why do U think we as humans DO NOT need to know WHY we are here? Why else do U think we have the intellegence God has given us if we choose not to use it in order to find the truth?
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| | Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 07:36 am Sistah X I concur, even if we don't change our minds, I always get something (besides death threats) out of these conversations. The reason I say that there's a problem with faith is in it being A REQUIREMENT for a reward. Clearly, since only one in 6 people are adherents to Islam, and of that many are poor practitioners, there must be something amiss with the delivery of the message. Or do only a small number get "saved?" I just don't buy that. George Foreman (Boxer but also ordained Minister) preaches that he doesn't believe you have to believe in Jesus (He's a Christian) to be saved. You just have to try and lead a rightous life, to follow your conscience and do the right thing. I think he's on to something. The other problem I have with the Qur'an only being in Arabic is that languages translate so poorly. In fact, the first decent translation appeared in English and French barely 100 years ago. Very few English speakers had any decent exposure to Islam before then. I see a disconnect with that. Here's another problem for you. The Arabic of today is not the dame as the Arabic of 1,400 years ago. Just as the English of today is not the same as the English of 1,400 years ago. In fact, if you read the orignal Beowulf (Oldest known English book) I'll bet you can't understand very much of it at all. The meanings of Arabic words, the usages, etc. have changed markedly in the last millenium. Many Islamic scholars have trouble with the nuances in the Qur'an. Here's another problem I have. The Qur'an is focussed on justice. It also says that if you are exposed to the Qur'an you must accept it as the word of God to be saved. But if you have no exposure then you just have to live a good life. Thus those being exposed are really at a disadvatge in gaining entry to paradise. This is unjust. We are being held to different standards. And what of the people who had nominal exposure? Who heard of Islam but did not actually see a Qur'an or meet a Muslim? Where do they sit? How about those who met a Muslim but didn't really have theological discussions? I mean, it would take a lot to pull a devout Bhuddist or Christian away from his faith. All of these things (plus others) bring me back to my theory.
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| | Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 07:57 am Mac I will say again...NO ppl had to survive without having a message from God. Do U want me to prove that? Do U want me to say HOW those ppl got the message? I cant, but I'm sure U cant prove that they Didn't. The Arabic of today is may not be the same as the Arabic of 1,400 years ago, but then it doesn't take a genious to ready 'Macbeth' and understand it. Tafseer.....explanaition of what Allah means in the Qur'an. This is done by people with great knowlege of the religion and it is studied very closely to see it is correct if it is not, it is disregarded. It may take alot to pull any devout person away from his/her faith, even an athiest! But Islam is logical and if U cant see the logic after being exposed to it, then U have refused it, that is why U wont get the reward. In fact that is why U get the punishment. >" And what of the people who had nominal exposure? Who heard of Islam but did not actually see a Qur'an or meet a Muslim? Where do they sit?" That is for Allah to say since only HE knows what is in our hearts, He knows our innermost thoughts and intentions. Mac U say we are held in different standars, thats like saying "why are we not all rich and famouse?" or "why are we not all beautiful and able bodied?" we learn to accept that dont we? Well....as long as we know that Allah knows our intentions....if they are good ones, then we have nothing to fear. And as long as we know that Allah has mercy greater than what is in between the heavens and the earth the we need not worry for we are judged on our intentions and actions.
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| | Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 12:16 pm Sistah Ref your last para - but that's exactly my point. The world is unjust. No two things ever had an equal chance. But if the Qur'an revolves around justice then it must be equally available to all - and clearly it's not. See my point? BTW MacBeth is a scant 500 years old. Like I said, get a copy of the original Beowulf and you'll see what I mean. It is true there are scholars and I'm sure they do a good job - just not a perfect one. Even if the Qur'an is perfect, we are not.
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| | Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 01:19 pm I've read Beowulf, thank you very much. But that's besides the point. Mad, I'll make this short and sweet or bitter-take it as you like. I get the feeling that your problem doesn't seem to be with Islam, but rather with you. No offense, but you seem to be living in a little idealist wonder land, believing that justice must and can be served to every human being on this planet. You seem to be making excuses for those who do not choose Islam, saying that Islam must find a way to make the choice for them so they find the right path. I've got to split, but like I and the sista said before, you seem to be plagued by endless inquiries of "what if's" and unable to make that leap of faith. I suppose this can lead to an endless dialogue of what faith means, but I'll save that for anoter time. Peace.
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| | Thursday, February 01, 2001 - 05:24 am Well Mac (may I call you Mac ?) Thanks for answering my questions. To Sister-X, well I thought it was unfair that you were asking such a hard question to Mac (I assume I have the thumps up on calling you Mac) when we ourselves can't get around to answering it. It is more than a political thing that plagues Somalia, for we are a nation with so many prejudices. So I believe your question was a rhetorical question, one with no answer at all. So it doesn't have anything to do with Mac being white, I just thought it was rather unfair. Well Mac, it's suffice to say that you are an idealist like Mo-man had to say, for you want to take the best of all religions and their doctrines. In Islam it doesn't work that way, if you have testified that Allah is your God and Mohamed (P.B.U.H) is his prophet, then you can not hold claim to Buddha, or any other being. You have to not just acknowledge that the Quran is divinely, but that it is divine. We need not argue this for it is a belief that all Muslims shall have and should hold. So without this you cannot be a Muslim.
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| | Thursday, February 01, 2001 - 06:21 am I.M. I understand your point. Basically I see things differently. I don't believe the prophets were perfect, nor do I believe their messages are. And that's what it comes down to.
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| | Thursday, February 01, 2001 - 09:46 am Mad Mac, I will be honest with you, your views on religon are terrible becuase you don't have a religon, and we would rather not hear it. But as for your view on Somalia, they are very welcome and we would love to hear it.
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| | Thursday, February 01, 2001 - 02:00 pm WAS IMAN MADE GOOD CHOICE MARRYING DAVID BOWIE? My answer is: Who cares about it... Chi se ne frega..... Yaa kala jecel..... Ciao
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| | Friday, February 02, 2001 - 12:50 am Hassan That's why I normally don't talk about religion with Somalis. Like Presbyterian Scotts they can be religious fanatics when they feel like it. However, you guys then bring it up all the time. And I'm not going to lie or be evasive. So I try to usually stick with politics and military matters - which are my favorites anyway.
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| | Friday, February 02, 2001 - 04:41 am Mad Mac, just give us suggestions on how Somalia can fulfill it's potentail, the more ideas the better.
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| | Saturday, February 03, 2001 - 05:21 pm Mad-Mac, No wonder you're militarist and rightist in these forums, I see you've been blistered from all sides when you tried to engage in a religious talk. I honestly laughed so hard when you explained as to the reason why we are on the earth as a "training ground" that was funny, and in fact it is a training ground but not for military marching I guess loool. And the points that you raised about the concentration of religions in the Mid-East, the same tuned message they conveyed and still the bitter differences between them are all valid questions, and I don't know the answers to these questions. However, I have a multi-lateral view about religion so as not to be confused here. When I read the philosophy of religion, I believe it played an important role to structure and reform societies notwithstanding in the pre-rennaisance times when it was the hurdle in front of human civilization. In Ancient times religion was the only school that taught morality, ethics, and in some cases human dignity, eventhough I admit that there were many atrocities committed under the banner of the religion of God...one can say the message was a personal creativity or a direct revelation from god as claimed by all religions, but the aim and objective was always noble regardless of the authenticity, origin and source of that message. The aim of every religion was to maintain some basic human decency by clarifying the laws of good and bad conduct, and to keep human beings in check so as to always follow the good rather than the bad conduct. Furthermore, they always emphasized the consequential rewards for each conduct in the hereafter. Here, is where things get tough, if the messengers emphasized a rewardship based system, then there has to be another supreme authority that excutes and compensates for that reward system and in a timely manner. More importantly that is why it's justified to the existence of a direct revelation or at least the acknowledgement of its existence since the perseverance of human decency would be at stake otherwise...
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| | Saturday, February 03, 2001 - 09:30 pm Sagal Somali girls should not swear like you did so please improve on this point!! Mad Mac You are a majerteen, i have figured that out a long time ago from your previous posts about various topics and i am dead sure that you are majerteen. Iman and you and weris diriye are all mjerteen freaks who give Somalis a bad name you freaks! Ice man is the worst faggot in somalinet and his mother......... let me stop before you all get disscusted..... ice man's mother did something horrible close to imans behaviour!!!
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 03:57 am Sagittarius You are talking dangerously like MAD MAC. Be careful around here lest ye be branded as a lousy kufaar. Zimbabwe Yeah, that's the ticket, I'm Majertain. No fooling you, no sir. You're pretty smart. How did you figure it out??? It must have been the Scottish heritage thing huh? I mean, the Scotts and the Majertain have a lot in common. Hassan I'm loaded with ideas. The question will be whether or not I get my brains scattered all over Somalia before I can start to make •••• happen there. As I said before, there are two keys for Somalia. The first is stability. Somalia desperately needs a stable environment. The Mooryan must be rooted out and shot. There can be no tolerance for banditry of stealing of public funds by government officials. Officials convicted of stealing from the state should be shot as well. They are taking food out of the mouths of children - a capital offence. Education is the second key. The Somalia diaspora can really make an impact here, as they have been able to garner lots of great and varied educaiton abroad in the last 10 years. With Somalia fossil fuel resources, great geographic position and outstanding weather, it's got the other critical ingredients. Stability will lure capital, and that will lead to production, and that will lead to prosperity. Somalia can lead the horn of Africa into prosperity and stability, I'm convinced of it.
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 07:48 am sitah-x: all i can say is wow, you are well educated sistah. to madmac: is it realy true that you killed somali ppl? and about the religion one i think you should read more about the islam and you will find out the islam is right way. later. mahdi
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 09:24 am Zibabwe!! CHAUVANISTIC PIG, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. IT'S NOT FOR U TO SAY ON HOW SOMALI GIRLS SHOULD BEHAVE. GET YOURSELF A FUCKING SOMALI NAME BEFORE U SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SOMALIA. FUCKING LOSER, I SAY WHAT I WANT AND WHEN I WANT, FOOLISH BASTARD. MAD MAC. YOUR IDEAS ON HOW TO IMPROVE SOMALIA IS WELL THOUGHT OUT. USELESS PROSECUTION DOES NOT IMPROVE ANYTHING. U DISSAPOINT ME MAC. U SAID THAT U HAD IDEAS THAT WOULD IMPROVE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOMALIA AND U CAME UP WITH "LET'S KILL PPL AND THE NEW GEN SHOULD TAKE PART IN IT". TELL ME MAC, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE U THINK OF THESE OUTSTANDING IDEAS. U R FUCKING SOLDIER, OBEY BY THE RULES. IT'S SIMPLE REALY, "DON'T THINK, JUST TAKE ORDERS". BRAINLESS FOOL. DO US A FAVOUR, STOP THINKING, U MIGHT JUST HURT YOURSELF NEXT TIME.
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 09:29 am Sagal: bad woman. Only a filthy will marry you with that bad attitude.
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 09:48 am ANONYMOUS!! LAST TIME I CHECKED I WASN'T LOOKING FOR A MAN. STUPID •••••••, GET A LIFE. NEXT TIME U TRY TO SAY SOMETHING TO ME, TRY TO USE ADULT'S VOICE. FUCKING COWARD.
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 11:41 am Majeerten is taking over the forum, everywhere a disscussion about iman, weris diriye , mad mac what is going o here??? Majerten is musuqmasuq freaks!!! Sagal girl you need to slow down before you explode of anger lool!!
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 12:52 pm To:Zimbabwe Whatever Your Fucking name and Clan is. Learn a proper english, The word you wannna say is not "DISSCUSTED" I believe you wanna say this word "DISGUSTED" Before you open your mouth to Insult other's at least write something people can understand. By the way I am Not Majeerteen Although I have a great respect for that Tribe, I think they are very Smart people Later
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 01:33 pm looool Yes i also think Sagal is filthy.Get a life and manners class 101 sister ! PATHETIC
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 02:22 pm BASRA!! I C U GOT AN EARLY RELEASE FROM THE MENTAL INSTITUTE.
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| | Sunday, February 04, 2001 - 09:33 pm Sagal Dude, you seem to think everyone on the page is stupid except for yourself. Just a casual observation. I don't want to kill everyone, just the thieves who are raping and looting the country. Completely reasonable I think. Somalia must force people to stop making their living by ripping off others. It's destroyed the place.
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| | Monday, February 05, 2001 - 03:32 am MAD MAC! WERE U NOT AMONG THE THIEVES WHO WERE LOOTING AND RAPING NOT TO FORGET SENSELESS KILLING OF CHILDREN. OH I FORGOT, U WERE THERE TO RESTOR PEACE!!! HA!H!HA!. U R PIECE OF WORK MAC.
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| | Monday, February 05, 2001 - 04:50 am Sagal Yeah you forgot we were there to help folks. Where you there then?? If you were then you must remember that most of the people in Hamer as well as most of the people elsewhere in the country supported our presence. Only the SNA oppossed is (OK, SPM Jess - an Aideed lackey). When I was in Medina, Karan, Bermuda, etc. I was greeted warmly. Only when I was in parts of Hodan, wardiglei and Lamber afra did I get a lot •••• - and guess who that came from?
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| | Monday, February 05, 2001 - 06:22 am SAGAL KEEP CHANGING NAMES AND PLAY GAMES . GHETOGIRL MADMAC IAM VERY DISAPPOINTED BRO. YOU MISUNDESTOOD ME. SOME POEPLE WERE ANGRY THAT I AM NICE TO YOU. THIS IS LITTLE SISTER. ARE YOU STILL WATING MY EMAIL OR YOU HATE ME ALREADY. ANYWAY, IT IS UNLIKELY THAT I WOULD EMAIL YOU ANYMORE BUT BRO FORGIVE ME IF I SAID SOMETHING THAT UPSET YOU. I KNOW YOU ARE UPSET WITH ME AND YOU SAID SO BUT NOT DIRECTLY. ONE FINAL THOUGHT, KEEP AWAY FROM GETHOGIRL AND THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS THAT SHE MAY HAVE ANOTHER NAME WHICH MAY YOU THINK IT IS A GOOD PERSON. GHETOGIRL, GET ALIFE. I BET YOU ARE 30 YEARS OLD
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| | Monday, February 05, 2001 - 06:27 am Zimbabwe....what did Majeerteen do to yu nigga....got off our backz....nigga.
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| | Monday, February 05, 2001 - 12:50 pm Hey I had to go out to the TITLE to remind myself what the f*uck the topic was about. U people make me sick. Stick to the bloddy topic and quit side-tracking U freaking Africans.....Hewwwwwwww That was a load of my chest...LOL GO ON THEN CONTINUE...........
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| | Monday, February 05, 2001 - 01:22 pm lol@zimbabwe..............waryaa LAX baa tahay... lol@MadMAc.............i like the way u confess about bein' majeerteen.... lol@Sagal..........she got an early release from the mental hospital!!..........i guess u signed the release sistah!!!!!  lol@Somali-Yankee.........throw him off ur back!! lol@Tgirl..........WHEEEEEEEEE GIRL...what was that for!!!!
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| | Monday, February 05, 2001 - 02:46 pm Ice man is the worst freak of the Somalinet, how can you support homosexuality and then accuse good, honest, hardworking muslims of being wrong?? I just do not understand why ice-man and his mother keep disturbing Somalinet with christian propaganda?? Why?? Ice man you are a freak-man and a idiot, how can you say your mother deserves to be adopted by Caydiid Jr?? Is she that bad that you have to abuse her on Somalinet?? You are a freak!!! Do not come back here with your non Islamic sciences(you freak)!!! Waris diriye and mad mac and iman and david bowie need to cool down and stop posting the musuqmasuq topics of majerteen all over this place! Can we not have a reasonale debate without you freaks changing names, calling names, abusing freedom of speech etc??? Ya freaks, mad kow disease or mad fat or whatever his name is need to stop pretending, if you accuse Omar jess of being a lackey that tells me what clan you are, you are a musuqmasuq freak!!!!!
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| | Monday, February 05, 2001 - 04:15 pm "Of somalinet" is That English? A idiot? is that English? Do not come back with your non islamic sciences" is that english Again? Can we not have a reasonable debate? is that Fucking english? I have a Good news for you Blundering idiot. it's never be too late to cultivate your brain you may think you're making a sense here but believe me you are too stupid even to access the world wide web, you must be a High school drop out, Next time I won't even respond to you you' re Fucking mentally challenged creature what ever your name is Zimbabwe nigger lover wanna be Later
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| | Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 06:03 pm I must say Iam impressed with how people are reasoning here. You see I have always been looking for answers as to why we the somalis are very rowdy emotional and front lined in defending Islam?,when infact very few of as are serious,don't get me wrong just a healthy discussion. I know some moran will charge at me,but I atleast expect that.So I travelled to Bahrain and happen to live with my cousin for three month.See I found out they are even more emotional and rowdy than the Somalis. I went back on history and found out that the Arabs civilisation landed in the Somalian coast long before any other civilisation,several generations went by,and by the time Islam came to the picture the Somalis were already into arabic civilisation.These reminds you that so many Somalis were born in these same civilisation. The saying goes CHARITY BEGGINS AT HOME and Somalia was now full of little arabs. Infact we are known of segragating ourselves from the darker-skin somalis and fancing the lighter skinned folks,some of them even went and called themselves names like ARAB,CAADE,TIMA-JIILAC. Iam say these because I am trying to prove to you how much one can change over aperiod of time without you noticing. Its like its in my blood not to have a room for any other believe. Why are we still rallying behind the Arabs they have already changed our lifes for generations I mean what if christianity would come to somalia before the arabs,I believe SHIEKH BOQOLSON would have been a big priest.I belame the arabic way of live that we adopted for the crisis in somalia today I mean look at all the arab countries they all sack. They failed Islam,they failed all their allainces and to be honest the century doesn't belong to them. All Somalis need to reason beyond Arabism and let us reason with the world and build Somalia. As far as religion is concerned,we will not mix faith with politics. Every individual for himself and god for us all.
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| | Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 09:36 am T-Girl They say a conversation that wanders is a healthy conversation.
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| | Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 10:01 am hey mad mac: you never answered my question, bat let me rephrase that again, HAVE YOU KILLED SOMALI PPL? YES OR NO.
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| | Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 09:16 pm Mahdi Define kill. I mean did I actually shoot anyone, probably not (You can't always be sure). I fired some suppressive fire and that was it. Was I, as a battle staff officer in charge of coordinating combat operations involved in some serious fights in Somalia in which a lot of folks got killed? Yes.
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| | Friday, February 09, 2001 - 09:22 am To a mad mac: have you ever witnessed the canadian soldiers molesting some children? have you witnessed or heard some other soldiers burning some somali ppl alive?....justice have to be served for those people...I am asking every som person who have any authority related to those cases, to do they investigations and bring those animals who committed such a gutless action to justice.
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| | Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 04:18 am I never actually saw anything I would define as a war crime. I only served with the Canadians briefly in Baledogle. They headed for Belet Huen and I headed for Hamer. There was some very vicious fighting and I heard of abuses by forces from a number of Armies, including my own and the SNA, but I never personally witnessed anything. We had a Sergeant in Baledogle who captured a Somali who stole his walkman and tortured him with electric shocks. He was court martialed and sentenced to 5 years at FT Leaveworth. There was also a Sergeant who shot a kid with a shotgun who stole his sunglasses. He claimed it was self-defense. Other soldiers testified otherwise. He was sentenced to life at Leavenworth. But those are the only US cases I know of. I heard some soldiers from the Canadian and Italian Army were investigated for crimes committed in Somalia but never charged. I'm not sure what the outcomes of those cases were.
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| | Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 01:16 pm WELL DONE WU-ZUUUUUP BUT LET ME BRING YOU BACK TO REALITY. EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT IS SELF RESPECT: DID YOU KNOW THAT @&@> #$x IS VERY COMMONLY PRACTICE BY WHITE MALE. HOW DID SHE GET THERE? ALL MY RESPECT TO IMAN FOR BEING STRONG BUT WE ONLY SEE HER ON STAGE WHERE SMILE IS MANDATORY, I WONDER HOW SHE IS AND WHAT GOES ON OFF STAGE. DR. BAALGORAY
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| | Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 06:16 pm who said iman and waris are married? they live with the men in xaraam. Muslim women can't marry non_muslim man but the Question her are iman and waris muslims? just wondering!
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| | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:25 am lool. You idiots turned a perfectly fascinating discussion on iman into something utterly different-politics. I say let us stick to talking of whom slept with whom. Personally I believe Sagal and Zimbabwe are a 40 yr old english couple-Sagal being the unsatisfied wife and Zimbabwe being the wondering husband.
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| | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 12:19 pm Yakyak lool i have to give you an applauad at least you made me laugh!!! But the facts remain the musuqmasuq majirteenis is back and are causing disruption in the flow of things! Islam bashing, iman and weris diriye propaganda and a quest to make all Somalis behave like david bowie??? NO, We refuse to be like david bowie, we refuse to be like weris diriye and iman and other musuqmasuq freaks! Mad mac you are a kuufar but you are accepted to debate here as long as you do not insult our religion!! the culture however you can insult as much as you want!! Ice man is one of the sociopats that are misbehaving on the internet, i have seen this freaks postings and they are all Anti-Islam and Anti Somali cultur, you are a little freak ice-woman and your mother is not to good either if she raised a son like you you little homesexual, you have failed to gain acceptance by the Somali community so please go somewhere else!!! Zimbabwe rules!!!!!
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| | Monday, February 19, 2001 - 06:36 am don't u ppl have job's to take care of. go and fine u'r way in this world and do somthing for u self an u'r ppl and forget that bitch. after somali is iman ur next target or what........................... salam
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:05 pm I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE IMAN OR WERIS THEY ARE TWO WHORES AND THEY SHOULD BE EXECUTED IF THEY GO TO SOMALIA.THIS TWO WHORES CHOSE FAME OVER ISLAM AND THEIR CULTURE. THAT TELL US HOW THE "DEVILS" CAN BRAINWASH US EASILY.BE CAREFUL WHO U DEAL WITH SPECIALLY THE "DEVILS" THEY ARE OUT THERE WATCHING U EVERY FIRST STEP U TAKE AND TRYING TO MANIPULATE U. THEY WANNA US TO BE LIKE THE BLACK AMERICANS DON'T KNOW THEIR HISTORY. THAT IS WHY THEY TELL US. U R IN AMERICAN U SHOULD SPEAK ENGLISH TELL THEM SHUT HELL UP. ALSO WE (SOMALIANS) NOT ALL OF US BUT MOST OF US ARE ALREADY WESTERNIZED AND THINK WESTERN LIFE IS GOOD THE WESTERN LIFE IS THE LIVING HELL DON'T FOOL BY EVILS THAT IS THE WHITEMEN. WE ARE MUSLIMS AND WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF THAT AND ALSO BEEN SOMALIAN. PEACE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS
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| | Monday, February 26, 2001 - 09:53 pm Cunaaye Has anyone ever told you that you are a close-minded xenephobe?? I don't want to suggest anything that might make you uncomfortable, but you might just consider the possibility. I mean, I'm just throwing it out there.
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| | Tuesday, February 27, 2001 - 08:06 am mad mac man they brainwash u too. i feel sorry for bro u know people like those whores that give us a bad name. fame on earth does not mean •••• the fame u need is the one in here after. i not saying u have to agree on everything i said but let's be realistic here we have two whores that post naked pictures and married one of the ugliest human being on earth does not know where they come from and does not also their religion that's shame.If i were them i would just kill myself.
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| | Sunday, March 11, 2001 - 08:31 pm Hi Guys. Im back, Im sorry, I started this conversation and look like many didnt like it and maybe afraid of been positive, for some reason Im not racist Shimbir as you said, I was just wondering,where does this world rotate to? and I thought maybe you guys could be little bit grown up and discuss this in a very Intelligent manner, but end in blaming and writting stupid answers. I dont care what you write but after going through again all what everybody wrote, nobody seem to be even half way of the truth... so lets finish it here okay Kaltuun
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