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     | Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 05:29 am Brothers and Sister as Somali's and black alike the white-man has looked down to US, But now that we are getting educated and fighting for respect, they are killing and locking up all our young brother in the name of JUSTICE!! Recently as you guys in the U.S.A. might already know a young 14 year old boy was sentence to live in prison!! What kind of Justice is that, if they bothered to look at the case they would have seen it was an accident!! But who cares, he's black! But as a young black Somali female I care, and I'm asking all you brothers and sister all over the world, people died so we could learn to read and go to school! So let do are bite for equality and help our Mother sleep at night and stop crying for their lost SONs! PACE AND 1 LOVE TO U ALL
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| | Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 05:42 am Lady This is one love to you too!! Finally good to see a real women who cares about her people and not player hating them! so come on everone if feel the same just show your one love too!! RESPECT BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!
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| | Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 05:51 am dear yu can't fight for blacks....that's an idealistic picture.......we must first put our house in order....i don't see the point of somali advocating for others while the fire in their land rages on....a strong somalia and somalis everywhere can help all blacks....my point is every black community need to put their houses in order. About the kid that went to jail for life....it is harsh world but i personally think it was the right thing....the kid split the skull of six years while trying to immitate some wrestling move...i think he is old enough to know da difference between reality and staged acts of wrestling.
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| | Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 05:59 am what happin to the boy is harsh, but i question whether it was an accident, u do not break some one at six different place and call it an accedent anyway as a yankee said, we better clean our house and then care for the others. do u know the black people in this country hate the africans the most, i might be wrong , but that is what i felt
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| | Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 07:09 am It is sad news but you have to live upto your own consequences.The boy can differentiate between right and wrong.I dont think he should get life in prison because of his age,but i am happy to see he was not treated as a child for the crime he commited.Once you kill another human;you are not a child anymore.
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| | Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 07:04 am People I'm not speaking as a Somali, but as a black female, first and foremost! And we are the people to change both our home land and Africa as a whole.Because "our house" might be in a mess, but who is giving us the tools In order to mess it up! Yeah the Western world! Because Think about it if Africa, forgot about its pass, and united it would be the strong ecnomic force! Think of all the:- OIL GOLD WOOD COAL and other natural resources it has! But the EU(European Union) AND USA, Are happy to obtain all these not with money, but with guns so can kill each other and safe them the time. So come on lets stop thinking that it will never be, and start doing! Because to our mothers and fathers its all about where in Somalia you come from and from what tribe you are born into!! But we are educated and we all know that in gods eyes "every man and woman are equal" So as they say together we stand and divided the Fat cats WIN!! PACE
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| | Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 07:33 am YO I HAVE LIT BRO'S AND THEY WATCH THAT WWF •••• ALL THE TIME! And As a young man who was a boy once, I know how things can just happen! And he killed the little girl, but its was all about a child playing with a child and him not knowing his own strength! And come on guys, know we all we to play fight and •••• happened sometime, well that's all it was an accident that was made into a murder! Yo 1st Lady I agree with you it could have been a different story if he was white and from a middle class family! So come on people show a little understanding, cause that kid will never have the chance to me a man!!
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| | Friday, March 16, 2001 - 06:34 am PERAHPS, U FORGOR THE COMMON ADDAGE THAT JUSTICE HAS MANY FACETS.
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 04:15 am Comrades While I do think the sentance was harsh, be advised that little girl (also black) had 32, count 'em 32, broken bones in her body. She was repeatedly body slammed, stomped and brutalized. This wasn't a case of a kid playing WWF and picking her up once, throwing her down and oooops, she died. this was a repeated mauling that continued long after the girl had lost conciousness. If the boy were living in Iran or Saudi Arabia and was sentance to death - a real possibility there, they do execute juvenile offenders - would all of you be protesting then??? Just food for thought, partuclarly for the young Somali sister here. How would "black mans justice" deal with this? If it were your daughter what would you think?
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 04:29 am to 1st lady of equality .i personally dont care what happend to litlle boy but my symphathy goes to the victim , let the black community fight its own battels. YES this might seem a bit too cruel but you dont know what the balck community did to the somali comunity AT LONDON this week they burned a house full of approx 8 kids with their mum and dad and the damn coppres did no •••• why ?because it was a black on a black incident BUT we r not black better a somali than a fucking negro
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 04:52 am one nigger kills another whats it got to do with us somalis!!? mind your own business somalis and let them take care of their own problems we have our own to tackle.
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 06:28 am Yo! sister that what we need, but it's sad to say that most somalian over here think very bad of Blackrap and his ppl,not knowing who we are, we have been fighting this battle for a hundred years, than ppl from Africa come over,and don't spead Islam. Until my brother and sister learn the Deen of Islam, they will all ways be under the Power of the Big Shaytan. To somali,2mommo,and all you somalian who think they are not a part of the problem. Until you go home,if you are not with me you are againt me. Which Blackrap all ready know how you ppl feel. Look over there in the Horn, Al-Hamdulillah,I was not born over there. Now you run a way from home,just like slaves,as refugees. Yo! we can fight each other or work with oneanother. It don't matter to Blackrap,you can belive that I will inform all my brother on how most of somalian ppl feel about them,so they can BEWARE. PS. keep up the fight sister,to get home out of this land of shaytan.
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| | Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 04:10 am put this in your heads bro's&sis's if it was a somali boy awaiting jail sentence would the black community stick for us in my opinion they would rather watch the new martin lawerence movie then drink beer ,smoke dope, sleep and forget about us so why should we care ?
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| | Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 04:14 am well said 2nd momma, i basically dont ,neva and probably they could dream on about us somalis giving a ••••. i heard about the london tragedy too and boy i wish i could get those fucking bastards.they dont carte so why should we?
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| | Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 08:10 am On the subject of the kid getting a life sentence, I suppose you could blame it on the poor legal maneuvaring of his idiot lawyer-I for one feel that some sort of rehabilitation would be better than sending him to prison where he'll become a true criminal among criminals. On the subject of Somalis and African Americans-it is rather stupid and to some extent racist to assume they should both get along just fine because they happen to have the same skin color-not true. Somalis have a totally different cultural and religious background than African Americans and can feel uncomfortable toward the latter because of this difference. I was once approached by a friend of mine on the this subject,saying that he no longer greets or says "wuz up" to somalis on the street because they don't reply and seem hostile. Here in the US, through hundreds of years of tribulations and racism that still goes on, African Americans have developed a kinship-they are a minority that must stick together. This is not necessarily true for Somalis-walking along the street and saying "wuz up brotha" to an African American isn't a common paractice (at least to most"-they come from a country where all are black. On the subject of Uniting all of africa, well that can't happen before we ourselves are united. MO-man
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 03:28 am People this is so SAD!! I thought You might just be able to open your minds, and feel if anything sorry for a child, facing a man sentence!! But no!! Like tipcal Somali small mined people it all has to be Somali angest Blacks! Well let me tell this is what make the white people think there better then us! Because be can't even learn to open our minds and understand each other! And 2nd Momma, I don't know where your from, but the black community where I come from keep our backs, just like myself and other Somali people keep theres! And I'm not talking about the "DMX" wana-be But the true black people who have been here for year and know that we are all just people!!
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:31 am I am apalled by some somalis who seem to find themselves better than African American blacks. Never have we had such talk from the Ethiopians as we do with the Somalis. Somalis always have to be against someone or something! You Somalis call us Niggers, Adoons, Ajanabi etc etc - is that the way to treat a people who struggled so that you could bring your black asses over to the USA? If you recall, the whites in the USA wanted to deport all the Ethiopians back but the Black Americans stood up and protested and they have been here since. Somalis are a different type of people - they are black but they dont want to be, they put other people down, even other Somalis and they have the nerve to disrespect the people who made it possible for them to have some type of life here in the USA. You Somalis were not around when the USA was just like South Africa or worst. People struggled and died for you and other blacks - but you dont see it and you dont appreciate it! Surely God will punish you people more. What good is the dog who bites the masters' hand???
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:46 am all of ya JUST DONT GET IT DO U .21ST LADY OF EQ. PLZ STOP THIS SAD CAMPAIGN OF YOURS NO SOMALI WILL EVA JOIN YOU AND YOUR 'FREINDZ' JUST LIKE MO-MAN SAID WE R TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THESE PEOPLE .2 AJANBI,NIGGER,ADOONI .LISTEN U WHEN BLACKS STOPED THE DEPORTATION OF THE ETHOPIANS THEY DID BECAUSE THESE BLACKS THINK THEY R ORIGINALLY FROM ETHOPIA STUPID THEY EVEN BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT OF ETHOPIA (RAS TAFARI ) IS A GOD WHAT THE F*U*C*K* R THEY PLAYING AT NO WAY JOSE . WE R TOTALY DIFFERENT BELAME THE WHOLE THING ON THE SYSTEM NOT THE WHITEMAN NOT THE BLACK MAN BUT THE SYSTEM WE STICK 4 OUR PEOPLE AND NOTHING ELSE BUT MAYBE THE CHINEESE COS THEY LOOK CUTE !!!!!!
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:57 am TO 1ST LADY U R SICK MAN HOW DARE YOU SAY US SOMALIS R SMALL MINDED U R H-O-E 2 ME U CANT EVEN SPELL YOU SICK SAD ANIMAL. U SAY YOU DONT KNOW WHERE 2ND MOMMA IS FROM THIS JUST SHOWS YOU DONT HAVE CONTACT WITH YOUR ROOTS BASICALLY 4 YOUR INFOMATION IN LONDON ON THE 19TH MARCH THE ABDALLAH FAMILY WERE MURDERD BY THE BLACKS REASON MR ABDALLAH REFUSED TO GIVE HIS DAUGHTER AWAY TO A NON MUSLIM JAMICAN SO THE JAMICAN GOT HIS PEOPLE TOGETHER AND BURNED THE FAMILT 2 DEATH R.I.P ME I KNOW THIS ALTHOUGH I LIVE IN NEW YORK SO THIS JUST SHOWS YOU D RATHER BE BLACK THAN A SOMALI SO I RECOMEND GOT THE NIGGER NET BYEE
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 02:43 pm Some of you Somalis are hopeless! Why dont you go back home where you can have things your way and you dont have to worry about you? The day will come when you will need these people that you call adoon, ajanabi, nigger. Wait and see! Ethiopians have more class than Somalis - maybe because you are muslims and they are Christians! Who cares if you want to be a white race or arab or whatever. You only fool yourselves. The Arabs talk about Somalis like Somalis talk about Adoons. Arabs call Somalis donkeys, beggars, starvation people etc etc. So you see what comes-around goes-around> Blacks will not forgot how you Somalis act and your behaviors. We never did need Somalis so whats the problem. You can claim to be different if you like but to the white people you are the same as all other blacks - the Ethiopians learned that real quick. I will never help a Somali person again and I will encourage our blacks not to neither. God has cursed you and dont look for help from us! You will see - your pain will never end!!!!
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 03:00 pm Look what Somali people doing to its own people. Systematic rapes, murders of other clans, sodomizing children. What excuse can be given for this type of behaviors? There are all types of crimes being committed in Somalia - somali against somali. This has gone beyond war-crimes and the world doesnt care what somalis do to other somalis. So how you going to talk about what someone else doing. How much hate can you have to sodomize a child? To butcher a family? To rape women and videotape it? What weird pleasure is being gained here? Has God forgotten somalia? Has HE turned HIS head from somalia? Will somalia be judged for her sins and crimes? The begining is the End and the end the Begining!
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 04:47 pm Book 56, Number 56.8.21: Malik related to me from Abu'z-Zinad from al-Araj from Abu Hurayra that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "One of the most evil of people is the two-faced person who shows one face to these people and another face to those people Yo! literally,most of you have Canadan and U.S.A. resident running back and forward across the border. P.S. USA is accepting refugees by the thousands in Charlotte, NC. Here is a tip don't say that you were born on Jan 1. Fools.
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 06:01 pm So what exactly is your point? I gather you do have one? If so, make an argument-don't go about continuing these attacks that have nothing to do with anything but ignorance. I for one standby my previous posting and declare you an idiot if you are under the belief that Somalis and African Americans are one and the same.
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 12:54 am ANA Let me explain a few things to you comrade. You must be new to the Somali scene. First of all, although many will deny it, Somalis were active slave traders with the Arab states for hundreds of years. Like most slave traders they developed a certain condescending attitude towards the would be slaves - the Bantu to the south. Secondly, Somalis think they're better than the Ethiopians as well, esspecially Christian Ethiopians. If you ain't Muslim, you ain't ••••. And it better not be that Nation of Islam thing because most Sunni Muslims don't recognize that or Sufism as legitimate - you're just lousy kufaar, just like me. Me being white generally puts me on a higher plain than you because the Somalis are a warrior society and hence have a grudging respect for people who have kicked their asses before (even if they don't want to admit it). Somlalis are cool people once you get past the nasty veneer. In fact, they're my favorite people. Engaging, intelligent, aggressive, fine women, but very xenophobic. In a sense you are always going to be a nigger to them - just like me. Stand in there and go toe-to-toe with 'em. But don't expect them to really change, not for a few generations and then only the ones that are here. Some are ingrained.
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 04:06 am Mad Mac That's some sound advise! Yeah they respect you if you kick their asses. That is why they like to kiss the Arabs azz. And the Arabs dont give a sh-it about none of them!
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 04:08 am I don't understand if the Nation of Islam are not muslims then why did Mohmar Kudahy give Farrakhan 2 billion dollars???
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 05:11 am Hi all, Very interesting discussion. I would just like to add a few comments. I think that the person who started this post and those that agree with her have a valid point. I mean this in the sense that even though we may have a different culture and religon to other blacks, we are all in the same system. We get treated the same, therefore it would be better to unite and face the common enemy together. This reminds me of myself along time ago, very idealisitic. While it is true that many of us( especially in the UK) are in similar positions as other balcks, it does not mean that we can unite with them. This is impossible, because of our ignorance and their stupidity. Which ammounts to the same thing. The only racsim I encounter these days is from other balck people. At first I just use to think it was a few idiots, but now I believe that there are more idiots amongst them then I had initially thought. Of course there are idiots amongst us too. I had a friend who got beat up by 4 black girls one time. There was no reason, other than the fact that after watching them give her dirty looks, she gave some back, so they jumped her. This happened in front a whole bunch of white people, who stood their laughing at them. Another time my sister had an argument with a Jamican lady, who told her to go back to her country!!! Can you beleive the nerve of some people. While it would be nice to think that we could get along better with each other, I'm not sure that this will happen anytime in the near future.
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 08:22 am ANA2 There are racists everywhere. People are often afraid or condescending of others who are different. Their difference, in some poeples minds,puts what they hold as valuable in question. This is small minded, but racists are basically small minded people.
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 12:31 pm Dear 1st Lady of Equality, Your last post was on March 28th, I might be writing this message a little too late. Sister, my intentions are to ease your mind a little, to try to undue the damages done to your hopeful mind by the majority of our people who choose to dwell in the bloody ways of ignorance. The division is so deep, the scars so engraved in our hearts that the Somali people have confused the very fundemental reason of their own wars for their pride. What I mean by this is, this concept of early Somali against Colonialist was the begining, this effort was a worthy cause. Then when the Colonialist left, they also left behind the confusion of division for the Somali people, they gave them the believe that anyone but the Colonialists can be the enemy at any point of time. The US and Russia created the Ethoipian Somali wars by using both nations as puppets and arming them to the extreme only to secure for their selfs a better post for their Cold War. The Somalis were left with hate for their brothers in Ethopia. It's clear that when a nation, that only unites and operates through conflict with foreigners, no longer has an oposition, they will turn against each other to serve the purpose of belligirence. Sadly, the Somali people took this a little too far. Please observe the pattern, and excuse my lengthy writing. Somali people VS Colonialist. (Real Enemy) Somali people VS Ethiopians. (Made Enemy) Somali Darood VS Somali Isaq. (Acquired Enemy) Somali Darood VS Somali Hawiye (Need for War) Hawiye(habrGidr) VS Hawiye(abgal) (Getting Close) HabrGidr(subclan) VS HabrGidr(subclan) (Closer) Family VS Family ( Here we go) If this pattern continues, who is left but Me Against My Brother! Then moving on to other parts of the world, we have problems with mostly anyone that we were taught by Colonialists to be the enemy. Such as, in the case of America, it's Somali VS African Americans. In the Case of England, it's the Somali against people from the Islands. In Canada, of course it's the Somali against the Jamaicans. But sometimes, we cannot satisfy our sad souls without A Somali Aganst a Somali, so we come to Somali Net's Forum and put up all kinds of Qabiil Battles, or individual hatret for another individuals or groups, or a city against a city in which Somalis live. My God. So Ms First Lady, please keep on trying but never let it get to you. It's a deeper issue than lets team up with our brother who are disposessed and made to live in the US being called African Americans, to post this on Somali net, where mostly ignorance is a set structure, would be to invite and re new their ignorances in their minds. I wish we can grow out of being the Western World's little Sons and Daughters as people in which they do mind experiments on. Africans need serious growth. And so do Africans abroud, call them African Americans or Jamaicas, if you have any sence of history, they are Africans. For those who will come up here and call them Adoons (slaves) You too are a slave, a slave of Allah. If you mean them to be a slave of a man, they are not. A slave is not by choice, they were enslaved. And to say other wise is disagreeing with history, to be arrogant and call them a slave anyway, it's to say you disbelief in the Islamic Teachings. Wake Up. I probably wont be back on this forum for a long time because time wont allow. But good people should get in contact. Granted you read this 1st Lady, then write to me at > loveforthemind@yahoo.com Please embrace Truth.
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| | Saturday, March 31, 2001 - 03:35 pm its interesting to stumble upon this heated discusion, where ppl pasionatly defend their positions on this sensative race issue.first who is black? as far as i know blacks include all non caucasians, and chinese. these include indians, ab originies,and many other races. "black" in a sense is too broad of a term. should we unite with the black folks here inthe usa or uk, ? my answer is no. as muslims, we have to understand that our alliance shouldn't be based on race,but rather we should unite with those we share the same values and have the same interest. from mangolia to mauritania,and senegal. from kashmir to the muslims in the caucuses like chechniya.our religion shapes our identity more than our race. i wouldn't want to be associtated with jamaicans ,or african americans or beer ,women,and music worshippers what ever their race is. it's not that we need to hate ppl for being a certain race ,but rather for not respecting our own "supposed" way of life. to MADMAC, well if you are british then the darvishes defeated the british and humiliated the kingdom,until the british used warplanes inthe continent of africa for the first time. if you are an american the wounds and the memories are still fresh for the so called rangers and the fat commandos,that cried amid the battle intense firefights in mogadishu. without bragging , we respect warriors , but we don't see the white imperialists anything but child molesting gays.never in the mind of any one who is a pure somali ,comes to their mind that there are any superior beings, except their creator allah. somalis are proud ,brave , and a unique race that had never bowed their heads ,and will never bow their heeds to any one ,but the almighty Allah. to those "nigger" wanna bees, i don't see the jamiacans,and other kufaar blacks nothing to be taken as a role model. as always we need to respect other ppl, and only associate and cooperate with our own,and other muslims at the most.
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 12:19 am To Angry Sheikh Cabdi, Though I have respect for your possible intention, we should be careful of our innocent generalizations. Note that there are Jamaican Muslims, note that the items beer and music do not always follow the nation of African Americans who amongs them are Culamaa U Diin, such as Khalid Yassin and Ziraj Wahaj. Generalization is a dangerous game. Keep in mind that to say I wouldn't want to be associated with a whole nation partly displays arrogance, there is much to be learned from the disrespected. Keep in mind that before the Prophits time, (SCW)the Arabs too were the disrespected ones. Who says Allah can't raise great ones from the Jamaican community? One Love. Your Brother.
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 03:21 am To Thinking Brother I disagree with the notion that the original Somali conflicts eminate from Colonialism. Sure the British exploited the existing divisions in Somali society to fight the psychopathic MAD MULLAH. But these were existing divisions, just as they were in almost all other nomadic societies. They basically stem from a requirement to find social and military cohesion when competing against others for scarce resources. Depending on the conflict at hand, this can cause relatively close groups to coalesce or disintegrate. In anthropological term it's called Segmentary opposition. Hence in 1990 we have the Hawiye based USC joining forces to fight the Darood based government forces. Then in 1991 we see the Hawiye based USC fracture for competition to run the country. Hence upon my arrival we had the Haber Gedir locked in a bitter fight with the Abgal - both Hawiye based clans. Prior to the British colonial effort (which was a marginal effort - they used three antiquated aircraft in their attack on the Mullahs fortification) the British didn't put any serious resources into the fight for the Nugal. And the divisions between the Isaaq and the Darood pre-date the arrival of the British be several hundred years. Angry Sheik Your diatribe, clinging to the aspects of the conflict that you prefer to reflect on, reinforces my point. Certainly the US Army and the British Army could EASILY kill every living being in Somalia with breaking a sweat. Somalis have heart but they are crude and for the most part unskilled warriors. You make far, far too much of the fact that a few soliders broke (in the 5 ton truck in which the Somali captives were being hauled away they were praying and crying their asses off - and yeah, I participated in that operation, so I'm talking from experience). As I stated in my last write up, some of you don't like to admit it, but we kicked the SNAs ass on 3/4 October, and you were extremely lucky Durant was returned before we got ready for round two with an entire combined arms brigade and aircraft carrier group which would have killed every living thing in central Mogadischu if the lid has blown off. If there had been a second battle there wouldn't have been a single member of the Haber Gedir left alive when it was over. No men, women, children - nothing. Why do you think Aideed let Durant go without anything in return? Because he was a man of peace???? Think again. Your views are classic racism, and describing all white military personnel is laughable - not least because they tend to have sex with local women wherever they go.
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 05:11 am One thinking BR I I am in Love whit you! where do you live? Mad-mac Laughing at u as always! when will u ever get tried Somali afairs? I am sure u r writing Some BOOKS...can we atleast share the MOney?
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 12:07 pm mad mac, i admire the way you responded man. it's not always the case that massive fire power could be used alone to achieve a military objective. it wasn't too far that the afghani mujaahideen,and the chechniyans defeated the world superpower of the soviet union. you may argue that the soviets were not organized and didn't have the sophisticated weaponary that the americans have,but the truth of the matter is that when it comes to the conventional warfare soviets do better than american ,except airpower. somalia is no match to the united states of america,but i was angered when you said that we have |"grudging respect for the white man" . may be Germany, cuz they were truly brave ppl. i would have agreed with you if you said , we have respect for the US army, but damn "whiteman" ? hell no,unless you are ignoring the truth. anyways i don't think that there is any somali that sees any other human being better in any shape or way. i hope you got the point. hey ppl leave mad mac alone, cuz being among somalis is a therapy, it's kinda facing the enemy ,which with his superior weapons and training tought him a great lesson,that he and his comrades will never forget.
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 02:29 pm MAD MAC, You poor person. I am easily saddened and I hope it's because my intentions are pure. At this point, though I'm sort of new to this forum, I've already figured out your possition. Apart from the supperiority complex you seem to be suffering from, you sound sadly inacurate with even YOUR history. I have no reason to converse with you on these issues because at this point, I am well aware of many organizations who choose to interfere in our lifes. Take care of your mind and enrich your soul for the sake of you. Onegirl, How sweet. :-) Thank you. Salaams guys.
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 03:42 pm to thinking brotha iam angry at the person that started this discusion in the first place. she sounded as if the white ppl are all evil, doing misjustices to the black,and that as somalis we need to unite with the "black" ppl here in the west. i say nonsense. my position is that we should unite with those that we have similar interests and values regardless of their color. i love my fellow muslim bro from africa or america or asia,. iam not generalizing the whole african american ppl, but just don't like the culture of the non muslim afro americans that have deep hatred towards us because of their arrogance and ignorance. making the white man "scapegoat" is an old and outdated baseless argument. thinking bro ,i was mad as you can see at those that glorify the blacks. i take your advice whole heartedly. peace n love
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| | Sunday, April 01, 2001 - 04:44 pm sheikh Cabdi, Ok. Your time is appreciated walaal. I don't think the white man is the enemy, hate is. And I don't think African Americans are to blame for bad culture, ignorance is. With Love and Respect, Towards Peace N Truth. Your brother.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 09:40 am One thinking Br I mean it you realy sounds CUTE,respecable,and very sweet br...do I have any chance?lol Sheikh abdi I am whit you br, Islam is a Just religion...and have no Color....so always we have to be whit the JUst....Althought some of the While pp done some trouble things in the Past......stil we have to our hearts rule in Islam, not by Color....
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 06:05 pm OneGirl, Thank you for the nice things. I'm not married, so you can email me. <smiling> My email address is... loveforthemind@yahoo.com Luv, Your Brother.
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| | Monday, April 02, 2001 - 07:30 pm The problem with the Somalis is that they are confused with identity. I'm a Somali then an African. I share my religion with white, yellow and other people but, my loyalty lies towards my black brothers and sisters. If we view ourselves in that order we may have won the war long time ago, but, those white devils are good in divide and conquer techniches. Secondly, western liberal democracy is based on the notion of individualism, and this is interchangeable with liberty which is incompatible with justice, equality and the rest. The western nations got wealthy because they have raped the resources of the third world. Lets unite with our African brothers and sisters and then could we only contemplate in changing the status-quo.
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 12:15 am Sheik Actually massive firepower can always win IF, and this is a big if, the military willpower to use it exists. You see, the Soviets didn't commit adequate firepower to the Afghan fight. And thy weren't willing to simply kill every Afghani they found anywhere in the country. Since the Afghans could not have stayed sufficiently hidden for long, and with everyone in the cities rounded up and shot, the Afghans wouldn't have lasted long. Fuel Air explosives could have blasted them out of the mountainsides. But the Russians weren't willing to go that far. If you look at the Germans agains the Poles in WW II for example, you see a case where the Germans were ready and able to put down all resistance in the most drastic terms. Certainly the Somalis do not regard anyone as "better" though if you catch them in an honest moment, oftentimes tough to do with you average man in the gutter, he will concede that Somalis might not always be as high minded as they like to think of themselves as. I have often thought it is funny that for a people which has collectively raped and murdered a large part of it's own population it's hard to see how they find themselves on the moral high ground - now that's denial for you. But certainly you are correct when you maintain that Somalis do not regard anyone as superior - even when they should consider the possibility that other cultures have something to offer the Somalis. Lastly, you are right I will never forget my Somali experience or my inclination to identify with the Somali people, esspecially the Abgal. However, that doesn't mean I fear them. Indeed if that were the case I wouldn't be going back in three years to live there, now would I??? Thinkig Brotha Ahhhhh, OK. Afrikay Toosoo Ahhh what devils??? How bout if I call you little black Sambo? Can't we get above the name calling. I recognize that different cultures have different charecteristics, but race is, or should be, irrelvent. If the Western Nations got wealthy raping the third world then that must mean the third world was inferior right? If it wasn't inferior, then it wouldn't have been vulnerable to being raped, it would have defended itself adequately. Also, societies that place a premium on individual liberrty turn out in the ling run to be the strongest, and certainly the best to live in. Societies that place a premium on collective control get collectivity in boatloads. History is replete with endless examples. Saxib you have a primitive and simplistic outlook on global problems. Things are never black and white, good guy bad guy. Sometimes it comes close, but it's never that simple. America is not evil and Africa is not good. Nor is the inverse true. Why people cling to such stupid notions is beyond me.
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 12:59 am A-Thinking-Brotha...you also sound OLD...and DRY...And VEEEEERY African-Amerlican...LOL!
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 01:02 am ...and VEEEEERY DESPERATE.... 
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 01:20 pm From what I read, Thinking Brotha doesn't sound like any of the things you said Anonymous. This is a room of respect so take it easy sister. Amina
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 08:04 pm I beg to differ with you mad mac on the issue on your "individualist" western view. see the japenese ,without any denial, have superior eastern culture and are much more technologically advanced than any other western nation. they don't value the individul ,but rather the whole community at large. it would be very naive of you to argue that USA is as close to the japanese technological advances even after they recovered from the american genocide of hiroshima and nigosaki. the japanese have lower murder and crime rates in general, higher productivity with very litte natural resources. so are many other emerging eastern nations. surely we as somalis can learn a lot from the international community, because no one nation ,even the usa can afford isolation . we do respect america and recognize it's position among the nations, but we don't see that the american way of life , and it's philosophy of the "individual" should be something that we need to prescribe to end our ailments, wether social ,or political. we , somalis , as muslims can relate to the eastern way of life ,and can do well without changing or abondaning our way of life. coming back to your mentioning of the rape and murderer,well before the civil war , mogadishu had almost one thousandth of the rape, murder ,or violence crimes than washington dc, that should tell you something. by the way we don't have sodomy, child molestation by priests, and adult men, or any of the social ailments that the west is prone to. even though it's not abvious, you are promoting your anglo saxon values,and culture. have n't you heard of "moral relativism"? i didn't expect of an army man to be this intelligent, but you seem to be well educated, but you need to open your mind , and rather than strictly promiting your "WAY" celebrate diversity.
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| | Tuesday, April 03, 2001 - 10:56 pm Saxib Let's start with your Japanese example. You are just flat out wrong about Japan being technologically superior. If the Japanese were so advanced then why didn't they develop the best weapons during WW II? And why did we develop nuclear weapons first (they weren't even close)? And today, where is silicon valley (Hint: It's not in Japan)? The US is still the most powerful developer of computer, communications, aviation, avionics, space, and other technologies in the world. Sure the Japanese are competent and also on the leading edge in many areas. But to describe them as superior is wrong. As for Somali culture, maybe the crime rate was really low prior to the war - you've since made up for it. And your neighbors were never thrilled at having you live next door. The Somalis are not known as a warrior race without reason. BTW of course you don't have priests molesting children: You don't have any preists!!! But what you do have is Mooryan raping underage girls - that's one of their favorite sports. When was the last time you were in Somalia anyway? Now, I'm not denigrating other ways of life. I wouldn't want to live in Japan because they love to work and don't exactly use the hedonistic model to pattern their society. The Japanese have some admirable qualities, but I wouldn't use the model. HOWEVER, I would also add that Japan does respect the freedom of the individual to do and say what one wants so long as it doesn't trample on the rights of others. You know where they have picked those laws up from (another hint: It wasn't China)? As for individual freedoms, history is replete with examples where the leadership placed "the collective good above the welfare of the individual." Do you know where this leads? Lots of "presidents" who think they're Siad Barre or worse, annointed until they die (or are made to die) and slowly but surely becoming more and more concerned about maintaining their presidency and less and less concerned with the common good. Is the US model perfect? Nope. I don't know of a perfect model. The US has plenty of warts. But in the aggragate it has far more plusses than minuses. You are doing the very thing you say I shoudln't do. Instead of looking at the positive aspects of US society, you label it as •••• and label "eastern" (Bhudist culture has far less in common with Islam than Western societies do, but I don't want to bust your bubble) societies as superior. Even though the US domintes the economic and political world of today, you explain it away without giving credit where credit is due. All because you want to cling to one model and therefore feel compelled to reject others.
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 04:39 am Oh, Amina, I'm a MAN, but I will forgive you this time! lol!
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| | Wednesday, April 04, 2001 - 06:25 am oooh gosh anon, well how would i know for sure?? After all i believe one thing "seeing is believing" my motto... what ya say?
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