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SomaliNet Forum (Archive): General Discusions: General (Current): Moral Obligations...To virtual beings
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yoedm

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 07:07 am
For many years I have been interested in the question of what moral obligations we might have to complete strangers. The question of moral obligations of those close and known to us is not as problematic to me. There seem to be clear moral obligations to those close to us rooted in some sort of moral contract where I voluntarily enter into relationship with people with a more or less understood set of mutual expectations. The voluntary nature of these relationships seem to carry with them moral obligations.

But what about total strangers? With the exception of the social contract of government, typically I do not enter into agreements with strangers, and, for all intents and purposes, do not even know they exist.

In studying some aspects of the world economy I came to believe that at times my own patterns of consumption offended the bounds of justice, requiring the land, labor, natural resources or political security of others in order that a system of exchange might continue in which I gained a significant unearned and undeserved advantage over others.

Thus I sensed a moral obligation to strangers rooted in justice. On this view my patterns of consumption offended their right to freedom. In contemporary moral theory this sort of claim is rooted in what philosophers call negative rights, that is, rights to be not interfered with. It is taken that individuals have an innate right to their own freedom and the control of their own property. There may be significant reasons why the state or even other individuals may override this prima facia right of the self, but good reasons are necessary to do so. Any violation of these negative rights is taken to be a violation of justice. Most of my adult life I have been persuaded that there were such negative rights rooted in justice, but I've never seen arguments which have adequately spelled out what those obligations were in detail, nor have I be able to construct an account of this obligation of justice that satisfied my own moral sensibilities.

Recently, however, I've been especially troubled by another form of the argument that we may have moral obligations to strangers. This argument is not rooted in the justice and negative human rights, but is rooted in what the authors call the obligation of beneficence.

Do we listen... i don't think so!
Do we care about the outcome... not!
What is our aim... spill sh*t on the forum...!

Yet you will always get someone crying again and again about the bullshit in here... why???

And to all those concerned about what other may say when they view the pages at somalinet... well... i say to you don't ever write a thing.. because you will only contribute to their goal...

arivadechi

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Basra

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 07:23 am
Cadubillahi ....Yodem?

May i ask what is that you are talking about?Your articles presents an arguement of multi complex subject under one tittle?You have discussed :

a)Moral obligation to stragers.

b)Free world economy without interfearance

c)Freedom of consumer consuption and the right to spending freedom

c)Boycot of somalinet forum usage.

So kindly tell us,in simple words? what is your original Non-negative obligation POINT?

loooool

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Honesita

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:07 am
My goodness....
If Basra did not even understand this....what would Honesita think......!!

Thanx god i'm not that dump...!!

Modey.....amigo que pasa......i think tu tiene una problema no muy grande pero es grande....!! Perdon me....mi no comprende naaaaaaaadaaaa.....yo uso una dictionary pero still no comprende....!!! Ayuda me por favor...!! lol

adios amigo

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anti-plagiarsim

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 09:38 am
Modey..YOU truly are an idiot. Are you so stupid, so desperate enough to copy and paste other's work? NOW here we have an example of your typical grade 2 reading level, copy paste, ghetto assed, somali idiot-would you like some curdled milk with your stupid ass? don't come runnin saying it was all an accident;you scavenged the internet until you found an article that passes you off as smart-fool. and pleaze don't be dump enough to come around screaming that's someone else using your nick-cuz it ain't.idiot.

The article was actually written by a webster university philosophy professor.
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/philosophy/moral/others/distant.html

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SIRRUS

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 09:53 am
How do we know it isn't the same person critising themselves under the titles "yoedm" and then "anti-plagiarsim" why do you ask.... Ofcourse the Motive is to create confusion, a debate and the ultimate goal, which is TO GRAB YOUR ATTENTION.

peace

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MANNEXE INDHA SUQAAR

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 10:07 am
TO ANTI-PLAGIARISM;- U REALY CAUGHT THE COPY BOY! I ALREADY RELIZE THAT HIS ESL MIND CAN'T WRITE ALL THAT VOCUBLARIES AND IDEAS.
THANKS! U HAVE WORN THE CASE DETECTIVE!I GIVE THE MODEY KID/OR WILL I SAY THE MODUG KID! A CERTIFICATE OF LOSSERNESS AND LAZYNESS FOR COPYING OTHER PPLS WORK AND FRUADING HIS OWN NAME!
THE CASE IS CLOSED. ((()))
O O
>

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sirrus

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 11:06 am
Honesita

ye chieddo una pregunta. Perche parli sempre in Espangnolo, mica vivi nella spangna. Scusi se ti parlo con Italiano, per me sono tutti lostesse lingue.

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modey

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 01:45 pm
Modey..YOU truly are an idiot.stupid,desperate grade 2 reading level, ghetto assed, somali idiot-would stupid ass?scavenged smart-fool.dump screaming .idiot.

huh?

At least my language contains less stench then yours, Mr/MrsLifeless.

I hand it to you basra you are very talented at what you do. Congratulations honey you cought another internet thief.

It is puzzling to witness some individuals do nothing other then conduct selective character assassinations. I wonder where these forum police men/women are while there are active links/thread that contain filt beyond describtion? Do i appear as a soft target to be molested verbaly by somali's with the vacabulary of members of satanic cults or infact i stimulated something within their homoerractian crannium?

honesita grasias seniorita. Nor did amiga... i ain't into that stuff just stumbled on it and posted it...

Glad some of you found it worth responding to. In my analysis of genous somalius i have concluesive evidence to show their mental dietary requirement is as follows:

-0.1% disrespect for allah & deen
-2.0% self critique
-10.0% opposite sex abuse
-20.0% expression discontentment with life
-25.0% sharring of lies
-27.9% self delussion
-5.0% impossible sexual fancies
-1.0% science
-1.0% maths
-1.0% music
-1.0% true knowledge
-1.0% day dreams
-1.0% chemical addiction{tests pending}
-1.0% misjudgment of reality
-1.0% arts
-1.0% literature
-1.0% other

Total somalian mental daily dietary requirement = -100%

the negative mean you are required to reduce the intake off that satated above!

hehe... i had a change of mood towards the end so don't ask me what i am talking about... cos i don't know...

Don't use faul language in my presence, you will corrupt my innocent mind... you have a legal obligation to not expose me to such dirty words...

Life is easy if you take it easy... i am here for the fun of it nothing in here means much but... common...

any body remember? "MIND YOUR LANGUAGE" programme well i think they need to rerun it and include a few somalis in there..

bye

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modey

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 01:47 pm
Modey..YOU truly are an idiot.stupid,desperate grade 2 reading level, ghetto assed, somali idiot-would stupid ass?scavenged smart-fool.dump screaming .idiot.

huh?

At least my language contains less stench then yours, Mr/MrsLifeless.

I hand it to you basra you are very talented at what you do. Congratulations honey you cought another internet thief.

It is puzzling to witness some individuals do nothing other then conduct selective character assassinations. I wonder where these forum police men/women are while there are active links/thread that contain filt beyond describtion? Do i appear as a soft target to be molested verbaly by somali's with the vacabulary of members of satanic cults or infact i stimulated something within their homoerractian crannium?

honesita grasias seniorita. Nor did amiga... i ain't into that stuff just stumbled on it and posted it...

Glad some of you found it worth responding to. In my analysis of genous somalius i have concluesive evidence to show their mental dietary requirement is as follows:

-0.1% disrespect for allah & deen
-2.0% self critique
-10.0% opposite sex abuse
-20.0% expression discontentment with life
-25.0% sharring of lies
-27.9% self delussion
-5.0% impossible sexual fancies
-1.0% science
-1.0% maths
-1.0% music
-1.0% true knowledge
-1.0% day dreams
-1.0% chemical addiction{tests pending}
-1.0% misjudgment of reality
-1.0% arts
-1.0% literature
-1.0% other

Total somalian mental daily dietary requirement = -100%

the negative mean you are required to reduce the intake off that satated above!

hehe... i had a change of mood towards the end so don't ask me what i am talking about... cos i don't know...

Don't use faul language in my presence, you will corrupt my innocent mind... you have a legal obligation to not expose me to such dirty words...

Life is easy if you take it easy... i am here for the fun of it nothing in here means much but... common...

any body remember? "MIND YOUR LANGUAGE" programme well i think they need to rerun it and include a few somalis in there..

:) i am happy throught thick or thin... you can't depress me... so just entertain meeeeeh

hahaha

bye

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anti-plagiarism

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 04:14 pm
Did you copy this too? oh no let me see, you happen to be an intelligent well spoken god fearing somali, who just seems to have knack for plagiarism. The main issue here is not Somali people in general but YOU-stop copying and come up with your own ideas for goodness sakes. And let me make this clear, this was not your idea that people were responding to but to professor Bob Corbett's work.

anti-plagiarism

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African Philosopher

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 06:08 pm
Dear VOEDM

You sound like a primary school student learning all about classical liberalism. But, kid for your info. Justice, democracy and equality are incompatible with the philosophy that you are studying. By the way who is teaching you, Adam Smith or Maggie Thatcher?

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Anonymous

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 09:36 pm
Modey

I LOVED MIND YOUR LANUAGE AND I WOULD LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE TO SEA A FEW SOMALIS ON THERE

LLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL

WITH THIER KIBIS FOR LUNCH!

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Anonymous

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 11:12 pm
Honesita, que pasa?? We can see that tu no comprende nada... So why stress it?? What do YOU use instead of a dictionary?? Don't say brain, because it seems pretty empty in there... So, POR FAVOR, enlighten me??
Why try to sell dead meat??
Adios PUTA!

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Somali-Yankee

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 08:30 am
hay let da man explore....what's wrong with barrowing someone's ideas...it is enlighting...and it is very common thing too