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     | Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 10:44 am My peoples' curses and blessings from the Americas, Europe, Asia and Africa: Hear this word that the LORD has spoken against you, O people of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up out of the land of Egypt: 2 "You only have I known of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.. 3 And Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him out of the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the people of Israel: 4 You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my own possession among all peoples; for all the earth is mine, 6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel." 37 This is the Moses who said to the Israelites, 'God will raise up for you a prophet from your brethren as he raised me up.' 38 This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received living oracles to give to us. 39 Our fathers refused to obey him, but thrust him aside, and in their hearts they turned to Egypt, 40 saying to Aaron, 'Make for us gods to go before us; as for this Moses who led us out from the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.' 41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered a sacrifice to the idol and rejoiced in the works of their hands. 42 But God turned and gave them over to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the prophets And the LORD will bring you back in ships to Egypt, a journey which I promised that you should never make again; and there you shall offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no man will buy you. " Woe to the wicked! It shall be ill with him, for what his hands have done shall be done to him. 12 My people--children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, your leaders mislead you, and confuse the course of your paths. 13 The LORD has taken his place to contend, he stands to judge his people. 22 But this is a people robbed and plundered, they are all of them trapped in holes and hidden in prisons; they have become a prey with none to rescue, a spoil with none to say, "Restore!" And among these nations you shall find no ease, and there shall be no rest for the sole of your foot; but the LORD will give you there a trembling heart, and failing eyes, and a languishing soul; 66 your life shall hang in doubt before you; night and day you shall be in dread, and have no assurance of your life. 67 In the morning you shall say, 'Would it were evening!' and at evening you shall say, 'Would it were morning!' because of the dread which your heart shall fear, and the sights which your eyes shall see. For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, is taking away from Jerusalem and from Judah stay and staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water; 2 the mighty man and the soldier, the judge and the prophet, the diviner and the elder, 3 the captain of fifty and the man of rank, the counselor and the skilful magician and the expert in charms. 4 And I will make boys their princes, and babes shall rule over them. 5 And the people will oppress one another, every man his fellow and every man his neighbor; the youth will be insolent to the elder, and the base fellow to the honorable Who gave up Jacob to the spoiler, and Israel to the robbers? Was it not the LORD, against whom we have sinned, in whose ways they would not walk, and whose law they would not obey? 25 So he poured upon him the heat of his anger and the might of battle; it set him on fire round about, but he did not understand; it burned him, but he did not take it to heart. "For I know their works and their thoughts, and I am coming to gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and shall see my glory, 19 and I will set a sign among them. And from them I will send survivors to the nations, to Tarshish, Put(somalia), and Lud, who draw the bow, to Tubal and Javan(europe), to the coastlands afar off, that have not heard my fame or seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the nations. 20 And they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as an offering to the LORD, upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon dromedaries, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, says the LORD, just as the Israelites bring their cereal offering in a clean vessel to the house of the LORD. 21 And some of them also I will take for priests and for Levites, says the LORD. 22 My prayer to all Yibir/Adoons peoples not sin but to keep God's Commandments!
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| | Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 02:08 pm whut tha heck u on man? are u still copying the out dated bibles?.
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| | Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 05:06 pm oday adoon, I can understand if your arguement would have been only yibir, yaxar and sab being lost clan of Israel but for Allah's sake when and where adoon would come to play?. Please don't mix an apple with an orange!.
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 04:34 am Amadeou, The Adoons are the major clans of the gathering of Israel. Just read the holy writings and you will see. There are more writings then what was posted. Yibir, Yaxar and Sabs are just a few of the scatterings of Israel. If you go west of Somalia you will run into Falasha (BetaYisrael) in Eritrea Beja, in the south from Uganda to South Africa Lembas tribes, to the west in Mali, Nigeria,etc. South America, Cuba, Hati, Jamaica, the Islands,North America, Canada, Europe and Asia - Cochin Israelites in India etc. All these are the scatterings of Israel. As it is written that Israelites will be scattered to all parts of the earth, that they will be Adoons and beggars; that they would be stored in prison houses and that their women would rule over them. But the gathering of Israelites will be a global event not a regional one.
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 05:25 am Odoy-Adoon The Black Africans Are Jews?!! Man You Mixed QAAT with MARUANA!! All I know about the Yibir and Yahar.. They are pure Somalis and they are the only people who get Social Security in Somalia. Thats why You never see Yibir/Yahar Skinny like the rest of Us. Whenever Somali male-child is born regerdless of their tribe the parents must paid to the Yibir or Yahar Goat,Camal or Money without question. AMADOU AND THE REST. Please, can anyone tell me the reason why Yibir and Yahar are paid ?! I am not sure but people say its Diya (blood-money)?!!
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 07:00 am the reason is son of yaxar(bocor bacuur)was killed by somalis and bocor bacuur was given a choice either to take the diya one time or to take a diya everytime that a son was born to somali family he agreed the later one. so every time that son is born he has to take his share. by the way it is very weird that yaxar came from isreal.oday adoon you can not write the history.
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 09:07 am PLUS LET ME ADD THIS THE YIBIR ARE ALL MUSLIMS AND PURE SOMALIS. THEY ARE NOT HEBREWS LIKE THE FLASHAS CLAIM. IT'S A MYTH ABOUT THEM RULING THE COUNTRY ONCE AND THEM BEING DEFEATED AND GIVEN THEM THE CHOICE TO TAKE DIYA ON EVERY BRON SOMALI SON. BUT HEY THAT STILL GOES ON AND IT'S PART OF OUR CULTURE. THE YIBIRIS ARE THE ONLY SOMALI CLAN TAKEN CARE BY EVERY ONE. THEY COLLECT MONEY ON EVERY SOMALI BORN MALE AND THAT IS AMAZING AND I HOPE IT WILL CONTINUE BECOUSE IT'S GOOD THING. YEAH IT'S SOME KIND OF SOCIAL SECURITY AND YOU ARE RIGHT IF YOU LOOK AT YIBIR FAMILIES , THEY ARE WELL OFF AND ALL LOOK GREAT...NO WONDER...
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| | Monday, March 19, 2001 - 10:38 pm yes there are somali jews and i am ane of them called Yibir,,haddana haddan magacii somali idin deyney naga daba harimesin,,alla somali hasidsana,,
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 01:44 am dhaqan ahaan yibirtu waa dad aan asalkoodu ahayn somaali laa kiin ku asal milmay soomaalida sida (reer xamarka) oo kale, dhaqankaan ah in la´siiyo lacag amam xoolo waa mid kaweeyn xadaarada islaamiga ah.Asalkeeduna yahay mid aan ama kala wareegney masaaridii hore sida(guditaanka ookale) ama ay yibruhu nagu harawsan jireen in ilaahoodu sida fircooniyiintii caruurtoodii oo kala naloogelidoono oo ilaahood dili doon curadkasta oo soomaali ah (qisad waxay dhacday markii uu ramsiis dii dey in uu horeeyo yahuudii uu adoonsanjirey sida ay (torah)leedahay).marka bilawgii waxay ahaa yeen dad qaxooti nimo ku yimid soomaaliya kana faa iideystey jaahilnimadii ay soomaalidu ka qabtey diintooda:taas waxaa kahor imaanaya in ay laasum ahay in soomaalidu taqaaney ama ay aamin saneyd diinta ay yibruhu aaminsanaayeen.sikastaba ha ahaa tee markii islaam ku yimid soomaaliya caadadaas qadiimiga ahy waxa ay noqotey mid ka mid ah dhaqanka soomaalida meel kasta ay joogaanba. waxaase laga yaabaa in aan dhaqankaan kala soo haajirney ama aan kadhaxalney masaaridii hore. maad ogtahay akhirsow in ereyo badan oo af-soomaali ahi ay isla markaas ay af-masaaridiihore yihiin.sida hadii aan kuwo kooban soo qaato(qarax,gees,koow,bad(biyo cusbo leh), (dayax=yax) iyo kuwo kale.hadii aad xiiseey neyso in aad waxka ogaato xiriirka ka dhexeeya labada af iyo hadii aad rabto in aad baaritaan ku samayso ereyada ay isagamidyihiin:fadla tag xarunta buugaaga laga daynsad (kuwa jaamacamada sii ba jaamacadaha adecigaa) labada luqadood iyo kuwo kale waxaa la`isku yiraah daa "Hametic". Waad ku Mahadsantahay dulqaadkaaga iyo fikradahaada.
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 02:02 pm Yibir are not pure Somalis! They may be muslims but they are Israelites of the tribe of Jacob. Likewise, there are many other Israelite clans throughtout Africa and the Americas. Since the DNA testing of Lembas Israelites in South Africa, the world has realized that the majority of so-called jews or the true title of Israelites, are not the same people as you see in Palenstine now. Most Israelites are black people - not white. With this information it would make one think - who is an Israelite (Jew) and who isn't. As you all know that Jew is short for Judah, one of 12 Israelite tribes. To say all Israelites are Jews is like saying that all somalis are Hawiyee. The holy writings identifies who is Israelite and who isn't. As posted in the above posting, God declared that if Israel didn't obey HIS laws and commandments that HE would sent them back into slavery on ships. Only the Adoons of the Americas were transported to their enemies by ships into slavery. Also God said that HE would gather all of Israel from all the corners of the earth and they will number more than the sands of the sea. If you look over in Palenstine now those so-called Jews don't even number more than the Arabs they live around - so who are they?
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 02:06 pm I would like to meet as many Yibir, Yahar or Adoon who know that they are decesedants of Israel. I like to organize us and establish greater communications. Shalom www.sujuu@techie.com
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 02:31 pm When Israel be gathered: And they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as an offering to the LORD, There will be a great rejoying in the land when the Lord gathers all Israel. There are millions and millions of Israelites waiting for the LORD - but Muslim and Christian Israelites will rejoy! Peace
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 03:51 pm Yibir and adoon people may or may not choose to accept the facts but their opressed mentality is driving them to claim any peoples in history who were oppressed and/or their oppression was addressed in the so-called "holy-bible".I do not deny the fact that these minorities were and may still be oppresed and that these atrocities commited against these totally innocent and defensless peoples were not nor will ever be warranted but the fact remains,the ancient israelis or hebrews were of a hamito-semitic stock and they used to speak aramaic which is a semito-hamitic language(this is the same language that jesus spoke).How you can connect this distinct racial type that still exists today in somalia(all the saamale-peoples also known as hamites),beja(who are pure hamites and cushites much like the somalils of present day somali),tuareg of north africa, with the distinct and obviously identifiable negroid(physical features,hair type and language differences)is not only preposterous but obviously seriously flawed and goes against any serious intellectuall student of linguistics and racial characteristics perceptions of true science.The negroid peoples of somalia also known as the bantus were brought to somalia during the time of the omani sultanates also known as the ibn-mazrui dynasty to work as slave labourers from tanganyika(present day tanzania) most of these people share a similar language or phrases which are exactly the same as their brethren to the south(tanzania),Although I do not condone the way somalis have treated your people(mushunguli,adoongoleed and baambaraa peoples),It is the lowest ebb of self pity,that you adoon-oday has reached.Why do you still call yourself adoon(slave),are you not emancipated?Why do you choose not to call yourself by your proper ethnic names which I mentioned above?Atleast that will help your people when you and your brethren are re-settled back in your country(tanzania),I have been to tanzania and those nationalities(I do not wish to call them a tribe,becouse that demeans us africans,we are all nationalities)do exist and speak fondly of you as their long lost brethren.Oday-adoon if you truly are what your name suggests,you should know better and stop listening to all that rastafarian cultist idiosyncracies,which are totally irrelevant and have no place in this the 21st century...2ny(SOMAALINIMO=1 UNITED GREATER SOMALIA)
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 05:34 pm 2NY, There has been many studies done - scientific studies. The study of ancient Israelite skulls are of the same so-called negriod type of today. Along with that there has been much DNA testing of those who claim Israelite Ancestry and it has been proven that Israelites are pure Negroes! Now as far as your euro-racial groups who finds a place for all but the negro and bantu types - I tell you it is nothing but fabricated! I call my self Adoon (slave) because of the sins of my forefathers against the ONE TRUE GOD of Israel. It is my statement that my people have been punished and have admitted that we have sinned against GOD. We are on the road back to righteousness in keeping God's Laws and Commandments. So I will still be a slave until God returns because God will judge those who have punished us. And the first shall be last and the last shall be first! I will continue to call myself Adoon, Nigger, Yibir Slave and keep my head up high - watching and waiting for My God and Our deliverance! As for our brothers in the Americas both north and south - fellow Israelites and OUR Family members. Those Rastafarians that you speak of are true Israelites. They wear the locks of Nassarine Israelites as our forefathers, ie. Samson (who had 7 locks) Absolam, Issa, etc etc. In holding true to our Israelite Culture those Jamaicans Israelites and others have really found their Israelitish roots! And by the way, there are Israelites scattered all over Africa - from Somalia to Timbutu. They may have been born in Somalia but belong to a greater family tree - the HOUSE OF ISRAEL! PROUD TO BE AN ISRAELITE! Shalom
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 05:52 pm 2NY here is your proof of African Genes as Israelites: Re-posted By NICHOLAS WADE The Lemba, a Bantu-speaking people of southern Africa,have a tradition that they were led out of Judea by a man named Buba. They practice circumcision, keep one day a week holy and avoid eating pork or piglike animals, such as the hippopotamus. Several groups around the world practice Judaic rites or claim to be descended from Biblical tribes without having any ancestral Jewish connection. And there is no Buba in the records of Jewish history. But the remarkable thing about the Lemba tradition is that it may be exactly right. A team of geneticists has found that many Lemba men carry in their male chromosome a set of DNA sequences that is distinctive of the cohanim, the Jewish priests believed to be the descendants of Aaron. The priestly genetic signature is particularly common among Lemba men who belong to the senior of their 12 groups, known as the Buba clan. The discovery of the Lemba's Jewish ancestry has come about through the intertwining of two unusual strands of inquiry. One was developed by geneticists in the United States, Israel and England who wondered what truth there might be to the Jewish tradition that priests are the descendants of Aaron, the elder brother of Moses. The other strand was provided by Dr. Tudor Parfitt, director of the Center for Jewish Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London. Parfitt, who has done research among the Lemba for 10 years, believes that he has discovered Senna, the mysterious northern city from which Lemba tradition maintains they came, and that he can retrace their steps from Senna to Africa, maybe a thousand years ago. The genetic side of the story began when Dr. Karl Skorecki, a kidney expert at the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology, was sitting in a synagogue in Toronto. Skorecki, who is a priest, wondered if a fellow cohen who was being called to attend the first Torah reading might be distantly related to him, as the tradition of priestly descent from Aaron implied. He called Dr. Michael F. Hammer of the University of Arizona,an expert who studies the genetics of human populations through the male or Y chromosome. Unlike the other chromosomes, the genetic material on the Y chromosome is not shuffled every generation, obscuring the lines of individual descent. Y chromosomes are bequeathed from father to son, more or less unchanged apart from the occasional mutation. How did a Jewish priestly male chromosome come to be found in a black, Bantu-speaking people that looks very much like its southern African neighbors? Parfitt, who believes he has found the answer, first came across the Lemba while giving a lecture in Johannesburg about Ethiopian Jews. Some people in the audience wearing yarmulkes told him they, too, were Jewish. Parfitt visited their homes, which are in northern South Africa and Zimbabwe. Many of the Lemba, who number more than 50,000 people, are Christians, but they see no contradiction in professing Judaism, too. He learned that they had an enigmatic tradition about their origin: "We came from the north, from a place called Senna. We left Senna, we crossed Pusela, we came to Africa and there we rebuilt Senna." Parfitt said that he was later traveling in the Hadramawt region, a former site of Jewish communities in Yemen, and mentioned the Lemba tradition of Senna to the religious leader of the holy city of Tarim. The leader was surprised to hear it because, he told Parfitt, there was a nearby village called Senna. There are other clans all over Africa who claim Israelite heritage from South Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, Mali, etc, etc.
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| | Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 05:56 pm Israelites Aboard seek to rejoin their larger family members. By SARI BASHI • Read Africa News Online. JERUSALEM (January 25, 1999 1:48 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - Batya Tadela, a 16-year-old Ethiopian immigrant to Israel, used to be insulted when people called her "kushi," a Hebrew word commonly used to refer to blacks. But now, like many young Ethiopian immigrants weathering tough times, Tadela has found an unlikely source of solace, pride and identity - America's black culture. The fact that most of these Ethiopian teens have never visited the United States or even met a black American doesn't prevent them from embracing rap music and hip-hop fashion, along with sometimes misguided stereotypes gleaned from MTV, movies and news reports. "All the Ethiopians try to imitate the (American) blacks," said Tadela, who emigrated from the Gondar region of Ethiopia seven years ago and lives near Tel Aviv.
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 03:48 am How can all those people be hebrews? you should change your name to Moses of Adoons
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 04:01 am 2NY, This holy verse proves that Israelites look in color- the same as Ethiopians: "Are you not like the Ethiopians to me, O people of Israel?" says the LORD. "Did I not bring up Israel from the land of Egypt, and the Philistines from Caphtor and the Syrians from Kir? If you are still wondering why I still use the name Adoon - it is not for shame. One day we will be asked to whom were you slaves to? We will all speak with one voice and testify against the guilty. Shalom
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 01:13 pm Anonymous, johnnyjake, sujuu, israelite or whatever....Do you suffer from an identity crisis? lol!
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 06:45 pm Oday, Interesting, but I am wondering if you are implying, that the Africans are no good for nothing, unless they have a Jewish lineage! And if that's the case, you're only limiting your chances of conviction!
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| | Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 07:06 pm Oday-Adoon what's your religion? Are you jew?
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 04:01 am Sagittirus I am not applying anything negative but to say that all men are brothers and there is no single person living who is not a decedant of Noah and his 3 sons - Japhet, Ham and Shem. My purpose is to give hope to the clans who have been abused by others clans and to show them by scriptures that they are of a larger family. Anonymous one doesn't need a religion if one would follow God's laws and commandments. Each person is responsibile for their own actions not a religion.
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 06:02 am Yo! Oday-Adoon. They can't touch what you have to say. your way ahead of the rest. Don't stop with the teaching. Allah told them to stop what there forefather was doing. Blackrap.
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 06:05 am Yo! Oday-Adoon. They can't touch what you have to say. your way ahead of the rest. Don't stop with the teaching. Allah told them to stop what there forefather was doing. The slaves is now the kings. Like it or not.
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 05:40 pm The Lord God will gather all Israelites in one day. Other nations will bring Israelites as an offering to the Lord to HIS Holy Mountain in Jerusalem. As it is writing in the holy scriptures: Isaiah 66:8 - Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her sons. All Israelites will rejoice when we are gathered to OUR LORD GOD! selah.
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 05:51 pm Someone might ask: If Yibir, Yahar, Adoons and others are Israelites then who are those whites in Palestine who say that they are jews???? THis is what the holy scriptures says about the TRUE ISRAELITES and the pretenders!!!!! The God of Israel states: "'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. Shalom
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| | Thursday, March 22, 2001 - 07:07 pm Odey Adoon,Have you heard "Here is the hand and seal of the duke; you know the character, I doubt not; and the signet is not strange to you. --Shak. lol. Brother, I expected to see this kind of re-action from undermined and abused people when the breeze of good luck touches them. Needless to say that your efforts are doomed. Of all things why claim who you are not?. Follow my advice brother and stop dreaming. "I will deliver you, in ready coin, The full and dear'st esteem of what you crave. --J. Webster. Don't bee too hard on yourself. In anger and frustration, let us have our common sense and strive in that which is original. Islam is the way.
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 03:59 am Son of Slum, YOu sound like you are gripping and ready to beg for forgiveness - but I aint the one. Your prayers of forgiveness is for the ALMIGHTY GOD! Your punishment will be the same because God will judge and punish according to your deeds and the deeds of your fathers. There are millions of so-called dreamers who trust in the LORD and will be blessed in the end. Your end will be your begining - your begining to PAY-BACK! You can try to push all of your sins and the sins of your people under the rug to hide but it aint happening. If you read my posting above, the scriptures specificly mentions Put (Punt or Somalia)as one of the places where Israelites will be gathered. So we are not the dreamers who say we are Israelites but you. You wish this was a dream but it will begin your nightmare! As for Islam and for your true gods-the arab people who you love to worship, Arabs have done nothing but came into Africa and enslaved black people - islam is a by-product of that slavery! One doesnt need a religion if one is following all of God's Laws and commandments. So you think about that while you are running around telling everybody that somalis are arabs and not Africans.
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 04:25 am Oday-Adoon (nice nick..hehehhe), stop posting to yourself... Do you follow all of God's Laws and Commandments?? If yes, then why bother people in here...?
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| | Friday, March 23, 2001 - 11:52 am Oday-Adoon, Johnnyjake or whatever, If you don't shut up, and you know where, I promise you that I will reveal ALL your secrets! And I mean ALL of them! I also promise you that you will lose whatever is left to lose for you....Not much but still...
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 11:09 am Odahy-adoon, Iam not trying to belittle your conviction no-matter how moronic it may seem.You seem to be perpertrating a false and misguided notion of every oppressed peoples who lack culture and identity(i.e the former slaves of north-america,carribean and south-america).The jewish people are clearly depicted in the ancient egyptian frescoes as having olive complexions and were known as the hapirus(hebrews).It is a widely accepted fact that the ancient egyptians who enslaved the hebrews were hamitic peoples who spoke a cushitic language very similar to the present day somalis,tuareg,beja and omotic languages in north and north-eastern africa sic "encyclopedia brittanicca",rogets thesaurus etc.Bantu peoples(that is you and your kin) nilotes and to a lesser extent the khoisan(bushmen of south africa) had their mini-states and "empires" which were in existance in comparatively recent history i.e the 14th century a.d.Most of these empires were infleunced by islamic or hamitic traders from the north,who introduced Iron working to your comparitively primitive stone or wooden tools.We all know that there has never been an empire built from wooden or stone-age tools.Everything that you are quoting from plagiarised books are totally irrelevant and false,They are simply stated from a cultist and minority view ,which wishes to uplift a down-trodden peoples from the grasps of slavery by protraying your weakness and inability to control your own destiny as a divine decree from a distant God.You must face the fact that your enslaved mind has been conditioned to accept inferiority and the only way of justifying it is to allude to the illusions of grandeur that forever eludes you and your peoples.......Not a sermon ,just the facts. 2NY
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 02:42 pm Odey Adoon, It is said: "That implict credulity is the mark of a feeble mind will not be disputed". You are one super duped guy. Don't believe in everything you are fed. What are you?. I think you are pretender.
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| | Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 03:07 pm Super Dupe...! Hahahha.....pretender is the right word....hehehe!! Wow, that was a hit! LOL! I will go to bed with a smile on my face tonight... 
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 01:35 am 2NY - based on your theory of stupidity it seems to reason that the Adoons are neither Hamites nor Shemites. Based on deduction, since Noah only had 3 sons, Ham, Shem and Japhet that means that all Adoons are white Caucasians. Hmmmmmmmmm I can prove each one of my points stated above - can you prove any of yours????? DNA testing is the best indicator of Y-chromsomes. Each of those studies performed can be validated - where is your proof BIG MOUTH???? You seem to feel a certain superiority over what you call lessor clans but the fact of the matter is your ancestors were probably slave owners who abused other people and now you dont want to learn about a day of judgement against you. YOu wish your past would just disappear - but it won't! You got to pay the price - as it is written. Now chew on that with your jat! peace
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| | Monday, March 26, 2001 - 03:38 am Obey Adoon, you're losing it...heheheh!
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 09:08 am Oday Adoon- You should know that being a Muslim does not mean that you worship Arabs, how can someone who appears to have a decent grasp of knowledge make such an ignorant statement
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 02:25 pm A.N.A It is the underlining theme of being a muslim - arab-loving. Thats why most muslims have arabic names that have nothing to do with islam. I am talking about muslims all over the world. Since Arabic is the language that the Quran is written in muslims have been giving the arab people in-general as much respect as the religion itself. How many muslims do you know have local african names? Does having a arabic name draw you closer to God? So what's the reason for Arab-worship? You can deny it but it's true - I have seen it in action. peace
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| | Wednesday, March 28, 2001 - 11:03 pm Oday, you are wrong...again... I have a muslim friend from Gambia, and his first name is Morrikebba and that is certainly not an Arab name...hehehe! And NONE of his Gambian muslim friends have arab names... He can tell you alot about local African names...  So what do you want with all this??
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 01:03 am Odaay Adoon - I am not denying that many Muslims in the world look up to Arabs, yes it is true and I have seen it with my own eyes. However it is not the underlying theme of our religon. Can you tell me where in the Quran it says that to be a Muslim you have to be an Arab??? Doesn't it say in the Quran that Allah does not prefer Arabs over other Muslims. Why create a religon that is present in many parts of the world. From Asia, to Africa, to Europe, etc. I also read (please correct me if I'm wrong ) that the Hadiths talk of the Arabs being led astray by Balck glod. Form my understanding you have a problem with people rejecting their culture and adopting the cultuure of Arabs. While this is true in some ways, you must understand that for many people Islam was adopted by their ancestors who were also involved in the spread of Islam. So in many ways, being a Muslim is the same as being a Somali, Pakistani, Mailian, etc. Allah made all of us for opne thing, to worship him. Regardless of where you come from.
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 03:48 am Forget about this guy, he's all messed up!
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 03:56 am A.N.A The Quran is written in Arabic. To be a islamic scholar you have to read and speak and write in Arabic. Since arabic, arabic arabic is the underlining theme of islam it stands to reason that reading, speaking and writing arabic is the standard that islam and muslim go by. Even amongst Arabs they have their own standards of what is pure arabic and what is invented. Bedu Arabic being the highest standard of Arabic and the coastal speaking being lower. Islam and the Quran doesnt state specifically that arabic and the love of arab people is the standard but when you have those who try to pass for being arab with all their might - then you have brain washing. How is it that most north african countries are claiming arabic lineage - even in Sudan. I have seen the behaviors of muslims when a arabic guy comes around. But the arabs dont give a •••• about other muslims. They love only Gulf Arabs. I hear how badly they speak about Somalis, especially the ones who say they are arabs - they got no love at all! What's wrong with local somali names? Does one have to be an Omar, Nuer, fatima in order to be a good muslim? You tell me why the arabic culture has been embraced so widely over their own culture - aint no denying it - it is pure brain-washing!!!!!
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 04:55 am Odaay Adoon - Firstly there is absolutley nothing wrong with local Somali/African names, and no you dont have to have an Arab name to be a good Muslim. No one has ever said that. Secondly I am well aware of how Arabs treat non Arabs, especially Somalis. We cannot really look at Arabs as being the model for Islamic behaviour. I dont think any one race lives up to this model. Which is essentially what is wrong with Muslims. Thirdly, every race has at one time been chosen by Allah. He has sent down books to various races via prophets. It just so happens that the final book, the quran, was sent to the Arabs. This is because Muhammed(PBUH) arab. Finally, if your faith in Islam is true, it wouldn't matter what language the Quran is written it, you follow it contents and nothing else. If you bleive it is the word of Allah, you wouldn't question him over such a minor detail. So what if the Quran is in arabic??? If peole choose to deney what they are, and they have no pride in themselves, thats there problem. You cant blame Islam for the fact that Sudanese and North Africans deney their race. Am I right in beliving that you deny Islam because the Quran is written in Arabic??? If so that is very weak!Have you found inconsistencies in the Quran?? Things which you belive to be false? If you dont believe in the Quran, what book do you follow??
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 05:40 am Hehehe, what a joke! This guy has never been a muslim, he ain't even a somali! My-my...hahaha!
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 04:32 pm A.N.A I have found misteachings in the Quran also but muslims seem to over-look them when I bring it to their attention. It is sad to find the level of brain washed people going under the title of muslim. To deny the identity of your ancestry for one of an Arabic one is a degrace!!!! Most muslims that I know identify with Arabs. Some say that they are Arabs others want to be Arabs - it is sad! All I can do is lower my head and feel sorry for those who are ashamed of being African. peace
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 06:41 pm Heheheh.....
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| | Thursday, March 29, 2001 - 06:49 pm Aren't you going to try the convince the people here too that you are a Somali, and not just a lousy nigger...LOL!
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 07:24 am Odaay Adoon - what are these, could you give some examples please
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| | Friday, March 30, 2001 - 09:51 am A.N.A Here are some examples for you to consider: For now I will list 3 areas where there is a difference between what the Quran says and What God commanded. ~ Diet ~ Prayer ~ Drinking of alcohol God commanded that we eat only animals that chew the cud and have feet like the cow, sheep etc. This is halal for us. God tells us not to eat the pig nor the camel because. `the pig has the feet like the sheep and cow but it doesnt chew the cud` this is haram. And the camel it chews the cud but it doesnt have the feel like the cow, sheep etc etc. To eat camel is haram. However the Quran says that you can eat any animal except the pig. Even it specifies eating the camel as halal. This clearly goes against what the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob commanded! Prayer: God commanded us `not to do as the heathen, who pray in much repetition because they think their prayers will be heard` also, God commanded us not to pray in the open where everyone can see you (like you are boasting) but to pray in private in your closets in truth and without showing off in front of others. Muslims prayers are repetitive and always the same. They pray in groups and in the open - this, God clearly says not to do. Drinking of Alcohol: God commanded us to celebrate HIS feast days with wine or strong drink or whatever your heart desire. But the Quran says that drinking of Alcohol is haram - this clearly goes against what God commanded. When the Quran says that the Bible is corrupted then I find 2 witness books that have not been corrupted. These books are originals and are used as prototypes. "...In 1773, rumors of a surviving copy of the book drew Scottish explorer James Bruce to distant Ethiopia. True to hearsay, the Book of Enoch had been preserved by the Ethiopic church, which put it right alongside the other books of the Bible. Bruce secured not one, but three Ethiopic copies of the book and brought them back to Europe and Britain. When in 1821 Dr. Richard Laurence, a Hebrew professor at Oxford, produced the first English translation of the work, the modern world gained its first glimpse of the forbidden mysteries ...Though it was once believed to be post-Christian (the similarities to Christian terminology and teaching are striking), recent discoveries of copies of the book among the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran prove that the book was in existence before the time of Jesus Christ. But the date of the original writing upon which the second century B.C. Qumran copies were based is shrouded in obscurity. It is, in a word, old. "An entirely different Enoch manuscript has survived in the Slavonic language. This text, dubbed "2 Enoch" and commonly called "the Slavonic Enoch," was discovered in 1886 by a professor Sokolov in the archives of the Belgrade Public Library. It appears that just as the Ethiopic Enoch ("1 Enoch" had escaped the sixth-century Church suppression of Enoch texts in the Mediterranean area, so a Slavonic Enoch had survived far away, long after the originals from which it was copied were destroyed or hidden away. Specialists in the Enochian texts surmise that the missing original form which the Slavonic was copied was probably a Greek manuscript. This may have been, in turn, based on a Hebrew or Aramaic manuscript. There you have it - 2 books that have not been corrupted. peace
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