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     | Unrecorded Date Assalamu Caleykum Wa Raxma-tu-Allah Wa Barakat! To:SomaliNet Admin, Time & time again I've seen pages created by a so-called character named "Father Micheals." I've visited atleast 3-4 discussion groups & seen his writings there. At first I was able to tolerate his writings, but now they have become too offensive. I am a born Muslim & I am required to do something about this Madness. The writtings by Micheals are corrupting the under-developed minds of many Somali youths who are unsure of Islam to begin with. These writtings are also offensive to many matured Muslims who are true believers of Islam. I don't see why the SomaliNet Adminstration is not doing anything about these Vulgar & Vile words spoken by a Corrupted character? I thought this was a site for Somalis? If so, then why do have to witness these Insane writtings by a False character? To begin with the person is claiming to be a Non-Somali, and secondly he's disrespecting the Peacefull Prophet Muhamad(SAW) and Allah(SWT). How can any Muslim being sit & watch while someone trashes their Allah & Prophet? Please, I plead with you that you delete his messages because I know that you have the time & the resources to do it. Deleting his messages will put a stop to witnessing this Madness. Thank You & May Allah reward you for your good deeds Aamiin!
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| | Unrecorded Date Concernedmuslim, what do you mean by "do something about Father Michaels"? I hope not what we (somalis) DO best!. You've had a successful campaign against Ahmed and now it is Father Michaels turn, isn't it?. You'll have a bunch of ignorants below your piece shouting after you and the case is up high. SomaliNet finds itself beleagered and is forced to accept your demands, is that how you reasoned?. You guys live as refugees in these countries after you've burned every thing behind you, but you don't get the rules of the play in these countries do you?. It's exactly the opposite of what we have in Somalia; respect, tolerence, sanctity of human life, freedom of speech and opinion. To boil the water up mr concerned said he "trashed Allah and Prophet". In what way?. The so called Father is apparently a christian missioner and propogates to his religion. But he did not trash no other religion, so spare me the incitation.
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| | Unrecorded Date aden go f-u-c-k yourself. stupid non-muslim. gaal daba u dhaqe. micheals dabada ha kaa waso.
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| | Unrecorded Date Aden=Father Micheals, they're the same. Check the writings the b-it-ch is trying to confuse people! We don't need stnking a-ss non-Somalis in here Aden(Micheals) so get outta here!
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| | Unrecorded Date Aden is right !!!
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| | Unrecorded Date Aden Tolerance, sanctity of human life, freedom of speech etc, doesn't mean what Mr. Michael is doing in these forums you idiot. I can see that they taught you two new words and you started assimilating them. What Mr. Michael is doing is trying to dishonour your faith (if you believe in Islam)and damaging your integrity. Mr. Aden, I don't know if you are Mr. Michael in disguise, but if you are not just shut your ugly mouth and leave the ppl defend their faith if you don't have one. The likes of you make me sick to the stomach, you pathetic copy machine.
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| | Unrecorded Date Every civilized wanna be must recite to us a few lines of his comrades in hypocricy. Who practices all kinds of hypocricy, pedophilism, stealing, raping young boys, collecting the wealth of the beleagered repentants, fornication(it is in the bible that prophets had sex with thier daughters), etc, etc.?. A loser like Aden is nothing more than a free ad for his masters without even knowing it. You can have the belief you want and as long as you don't taut it to our face we are fine with it. However, if your sick mind does not understand what tolerance means, you will learn the hard way.
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| | Unrecorded Date coolmankid, you said "it is in the bible that the prophets had sex with their daughters". And here you are with your bunch of ignorant lynchers and talking about "trashing" a religion. When you are listing the above crimes do you mean we don't have them all, plus a mass genocide of a whole populations? No body is tauting anything on your ugly face, you f... parasite, this is a common board. Roam around like an animal but don't ever forget you are a tiny mouse who thrives in the gutters.
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| | Unrecorded Date The Church has apologised for its crimes against humanity. But where is the justice for the little choir boys ???
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| | Unrecorded Date To Coolmankind Be advised that while the Koran specifically rejects Christianity it also says that Christians are Gods people and God favors them. Islam is really a religion of tolerance, but like some narrow minded Christains, people have taken specific passages out to justify intolerance and barbarism. In the old testament of the Bible I can justify ANYTHING. But I can also justify wife beating in the Koran. I mean, come on. Who's kidding who here. We all (Christian, Moslem, Bhudist, whatever) know the difference between civilized behavior and that which is not. Judge each individual as you meet him, not whole groups.
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| | Unrecorded Date MAD MAC, thanks for your input. It's hope-giving that we have people like you among us- Somalis. Today we are paying the price of having too many coolmankids and his likes among us.
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| | Unrecorded Date Mad-Mac I am very interested in hearing what you'll be saying on the Day of Judgement! I want to see if you'll be asked "Were you civilized or uncivilized?" No one is talking about "Civilization" here, so get the point! The point here is that We(Muslims) shouldn't sit around & watch while some Phony-asses trash our Prophet(SAW) and Allah(SWT). Also, where in the Qu'ran does it say "Wife beating is tolerated?" It doesn't exist and you know it! The prophet(SAW) spoke out against Wife beating & said "Those of you who beat your wives will have to answer to Allah on the day of judgement" Don't try to twist the religion & tell us lies about the Qur'an. Wait a minute, are you a Muslim to begin with? cause if you are, then you should know the punishment for lying about Allah & the Qur'an! No one in this forum is interested in hearing misconceptions & devious lies about the religion! And most of all this Forum doesn't need 'Sell-outs' such as Aden who I pretty much believe is 'Micheals' potraying himself as a Somali character and you(Mad-Mac) so beat it and take your so-called Western idealogies elsewhere cause they are not welcomed here!
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| | Unrecorded Date Concernedmuslim, Jazzaka-Allah, As you can see from his writing, Madmac is not a Muslim, he can not even spell Qur'an correctly. Madmac or Aden or Michaels, call yourself whatever you want who cares, but we care of one thing, don't you ever try to lie about Allah (SWT) or our Prophet (SAW) Have you ever seen a Muslim logging into a Christian forum and talking about Jesus? of course not, so what is your motive coming in here?
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| | Unrecorded Date Concernedmuslim, Jazzaka-Allah, As you can see from his writing, Madmac is not a Muslim, he can not even spell Qur'an correctly. Madmac or Aden or Michaels, call yourself whatever you want who cares, but we care of one thing, don't you ever try to lie about Allah (SWT) or our Prophet (SAW) Have you ever seen a Muslim logging into a Christian forum and talking about Jesus? of course not, so what is your motive coming in here?
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| | Unrecorded Date Muriidi. UsUally when people lose faith in Allah, they like others to be like them. That is why these idiots are glued to the somali forums making themselves the laughing stock. They circle around tolerance when in fact they are christians who are disguising themselves as somali muslims and abuse the honor of being somali which is being A MUSLIM. Mad-mac. Well, at last I have seen a christian who has the gutts to explain 1 + 1 + 1 = 1. How would you go about explaining this madness of yours.
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| | Unrecorded Date A prophetic saying is *If you don't feel ashamed do what you want*. If christians are ashamed they would take look at this and think about it wisely. Corruption of the Torah A while ago, a Muslim brother forwarded a message he found on a Jewish net which attempted to prove the corruption of the Qur'an. The post attempted to show that Muslims are command in the Qur'an to kill all non-Muslims and FORCE them into Islam. A knowledgeable scholar of Islam, one who knows the context within which each verse was revealed would be able to refute these claims quite simply, however, I have decided that it is necessary to provide Muslims with the weapons they need to counter such attacks in order to not allow them to force us to always be on the defensive. But rather, be able to effectively launch an effective devastating OFFENSIVE strike at them as well when they try such games. First, a word of caution: The information I am about to provide is to be used to respond to them RESPECTFULLY and CALMLY. A person possessing the truth does not need arrogance. Allah has placed us on this earth to guide mankind to His deen. This includes the Jews. We should wish for them the same guidance we wish for ourselves. We should not be so quick to call for death and destruction until all avenues of dawa and calm rational reasoning have been exhausted. Allah (SWT) says: "And argue not with the people of the book unless it be in (a way) which is better (than mere arguing), except with such of them that do wrong, and say (to them): 'We believe in that which had been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)" Al- Ankaboot(29):46. The "people of the Book" includes Jews. Remember that. Even though Allah (SWT) has told us of the hatred they hide in their hearts, He has not command us to hate and kill every single Jew we meet simply because he is a Jew. We are better than that. We serve a higher purpose. For this reason, I am going to provide a very devastating argument against them in order to assist them in seeing the corruption of their forefathers and see how their God is even yet trying to save them and guide them to Islam. I cannot emphasize this point enough, please be respectful and receptive. Be willing to take abuse and respond with kindness. If one of them were to be guided, it will be to your benefit. It will take some time for you to read and digest the following proof, but once you have done so, no Jew will (inshallah, of course) ever be able to respond to you. Note: Please forward this message to all Islamic nets you may have access to so that they may benifit from it. Now the proof: ------------------------------------------------------------- Did mankind tamper with the Old Testament?: "And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their places and have abandoned a good part of the message that was sent to them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But forgive them and overlook (their misdeed). Verily! Allah loves the kindly". The Qur'an, Al-Maidah(5):13. "O Messenger!(Mohammad) Do no be grieved by those who vie with one another in the race to disbelief, of such as say with their mouths: "We believe" but their hearts believe not, and of the Jews: of them are those who listen eagerly to lies -listener to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say: If you are given this then take it, but if you are not given this then beware! He whom Allah dooms unto sin, you (by your efforts) will avail him naught against Allah. Those are they for whom the will of Allah is that He cleanse not their hearts; for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment". The Qur'an, Al-Maidah(5):41. The Jews have, from one generation to another, handed down their Old Testament, as the faultless words of Moses (pbuh) and the prophets. The "Old testament" is made up of the "Torah" (Tawrat), (which is also called "the Pentateuch"), and the "books of the prophets". The "Torah" consists of the first five books of the Old Testament. They are believed by the Jews to have been written by Moses (pbuh). These five books are: "Genesis", "Exodus", "Leviticus", "Numbers", and "Deuteronomy". After the Christians decided to incorporate the Old Testament into their Bible, they began to study these books in great detail.. For countless ages, the only book of history available to Christians and Jews was the Old Testament. When someone wanted to know what happened in the past, they would go back and study the Old Testament to find the answer. New theories about history literally lived and died by their conformance to what the Old Testament taught. Then the discrepancies began to be noticed. Once mankind began to study the OT in detail, comparing the various passages which referred to the same topic in order to obtain as much detail as possible, they began to notice conflicting accounts of many matters as well as other problems. For instance, in the eleventh century, it was noticed that the list of Edomite kings in Genesis 36 names kings who lived long after Moses was dead. Then people began to notice such statements as "to this day" something is true, which implies that the author was looking back at these matters through history and has seen that they have endured. After this, it was noticed that in the beginning verses of the OT manuscripts, Deuteronomy says: "These are the words that Moses spoke to the children of Israel across the Jordan...". They noticed that the words "across the Jordan" refers to people who are on the opposite side of the Jordan river to the author. But the alleged author, Moses himself, was never supposed to have been in Israel in his life. It was also noticed that Moses speaks in detail in Deuteronomy 34:5-10 about how he died and where he was buried. Moses also calls himself the most humble man on earth in Numbers 12:3 (would the most humble man on earth call himself the most humble man on earth?). In Deuteronomy 34:10 we read "And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses". This also implies that the author was looking back at Moses through history a long time after Moses's death. Now the flood gates were opened and countless other discrepancies began to show up. In the beginning, it was claimed that Moses wrote the Pentateuch (Five "books of Moses") and anyone contesting this fact would be severely punished or worse. However, when these matters started to become well known, it became necessary to find explanations. For example, the first explanation presented for the verses referring to the death of Moses was that Moses (pbuh) had written his books, but that later prophets, as well as "inspired" scribes (who could also be considered prophets), had later on added on a couple of lines here and there. In this manner the text remained 100% the "inspiration" of God. This explanation, however, did not stand up to scrutiny because the style and literary characteristics of the verses are the same throughout. For instance, the verseswhich describe the death and burial of Moses exhibit the same literary characteristics as the verses before and after them. Thus, they must have been written by the same person. The Doublets: ---------------- After this, the trend became to explain any and all discrepancies through abstractism and elaborate interpretations, or through the introduction of additional narrative details that did not appear in the biblical text. Around this time, a startling new discovery was made. It was noticed that the stories in the five books of Moses were made up of doublets. A doublet is a case of one story being told twice. Even in the English translation of the Bible, the doublets are noticeable. These doublets have been masterfully intertwined so that they become one narrative. For example, there are doublets of the creation of the world, the covenant between God and Abraham, the naming of Isaac, Abraham's claim that his wife Sarah was his sister, the story of Jacob's journey to Mesopotamia, Jacob's revelation at Beth-El,.......and on and on. In many cases these doublets actually contradict one another. The apologists once again jumped up with an explanation in hand. They claimed that the doublets were complementary and not contradictive. It was claimed that they came to teach us a lesson by their "apparent" contradiction. However, this claim did not hold water for long. The reason is that not long after, it was discovered that when the doublets were separated into two separate accounts, each account was almost always consistent about the name of the deity that it used. One would always refer to God as Yahweh/Jehovah. This document was called "J". The other always referred to Him as Elohim(God). It was called "E". There were various other literary characteristics which were then found to be common to one group or the other. It became obvious that someone had taken two separate accounts of the ministry of Moses (pbuh), cut them up, and then woven them together quite masterfully so that their actions would not be discovered until countless centuries later. Once this startling discovery was made, the Old Testament was once again placed under the scrutiny of scholars and it was discovered that the Pentateuch was not made up of two major source documents but FOUR. It was discovered that some stories were not only doublets, but triplets. Additional literary characteristics were identified for these documents. The third source was called P (for Priestly), and the fourth D (for Deuteronomy). In the end it was concluded that the first four "books of Moses" were the result of the merging of three separate accounts which were called J, E, and P, and the book of Deuteronomy was found to be a separate account which was called D. The person (or persons) who collected and intertwined these sources was called "The Redactor". Let us have a look at an example of these doublets from Genesis 6:5 to 8:22. The Jehovah(J) text is in regular type, THE PRIESTLY(P) IN CAPITALS: Genesis 6: ------------- Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis 6:7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Genesis 6:9 THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH: NOAH WAS A JUST MAN AND PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS, AND NOAH WALKED WITH GOD. Genesis 6:10 AND NOAH BEGAT THREE SONS, SHEM, HAM, AND JAPHETH. Genesis 6:11 THE EARTH ALSO WAS CORRUPT BEFORE GOD, AND THE EARTH WAS FILLED WITH VIOLENCE. Genesis 6:12 AND GOD LOOKED UPON THE EARTH, AND, BEHOLD, IT WAS CORRUPT; FOR ALL FLESH HAD CORRUPTED HIS WAY UPON THE EARTH. Genesis 6:13 AND GOD SAID UNTO NOAH, THE END OF ALL FLESH IS COME BEFORE ME; FOR THE EARTH IS FILLED WITH VIOLENCE THROUGH THEM; AND, BEHOLD, I WILL DESTROY THEM WITH THE EARTH. Genesis 6:14 MAKE THEE AN ARK OF GOPHER WOOD; ROOMS SHALT THOU MAKE IN THE ARK, AND SHALT PITCH IT WITHIN AND WITHOUT WITH PITCH. Genesis 6:15 AND THIS IS THE FASHION WHICH THOU SHALT MAKE IT OF: THE LENGTH OF THE ARK SHALL BE THREE HUNDRED CUBITS, THE BREADTH OF IT FIFTY CUBITS, AND THE HEIGHT OF IT THIRTY CUBITS. Genesis 6:16 A WINDOW SHALT THOU MAKE TO THE ARK, AND IN A CUBIT SHALT THOU FINISH IT ABOVE; AND THE DOOR OF THE ARK SHALT THOU SET IN THE SIDE THEREOF; WITH LOWER, SECOND, AND THIRD STORIES SHALT THOU MAKE IT. Genesis 6:17 AND, BEHOLD, I, EVEN I, DO BRING A FLOOD OF WATERS UPON THE EARTH, TO DESTROY ALL FLESH, WHEREIN IS THE BREATH OF LIFE, FROM UNDER HEAVEN; AND EVERY THING THAT IS IN THE EARTH SHALL DIE. Genesis 6:18 BUT WITH THEE WILL I ESTABLISH MY COVENANT; AND THOU SHALT COME INTO THE ARK, THOU, AND THY SONS, AND THY WIFE, AND THY SONS' WIVES WITH THEE. Genesis 6:19 AND OF EVERY LIVING THING OF ALL FLESH, TWO OF EVERY SORT SHALT THOU BRING INTO THE ARK, TO KEEP THEM ALIVE WITH THEE; THEY SHALL BE MALE AND FEMALE. Genesis 6:20 OF FOWLS AFTER THEIR KIND, AND OF CATTLE AFTER THEIR KIND, OF EVERY CREEPING THING OF THE EARTH AFTER HIS KIND, TWO OF EVERY SORT SHALL COME UNTO THEE, TO KEEP THEM ALIVE. Genesis 6:21 AND TAKE THOU UNTO THEE OF ALL FOOD THAT IS EATEN, AND THOU SHALT GATHER IT TO THEE; AND IT SHALL BE FOR FOOD FOR THEE, AND FOR THEM. Genesis 6:22 THUS DID NOAH; ACCORDING TO ALL THAT GOD COMMANDED HIM, SO DID HE. Genesis 7: ------------- Genesis 7:1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Genesis 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. Genesis 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. Genesis 7:5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him. Genesis 7:6 AND NOAH WAS SIX HUNDRED YEARS OLD WHEN THE FLOOD OF WATERS WAS UPON THE EARTH. Genesis 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. Genesis 7:8 OF CLEAN BEASTS, AND OF BEASTS THAT ARE NOT CLEAN, AND OF FOWLS, AND OF EVERY THING THAT CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH, Genesis 7:9 THERE WENT IN TWO AND TWO UNTO NOAH INTO THE ARK, THE MALE AND THE FEMALE, AS GOD HAD COMMANDED NOAH. Genesis 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. Genesis 7:11 IN THE SIX HUNDREDTH YEAR OF NOAH'S LIFE, IN THE SECOND MONTH, THE SEVENTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH, THE SAME DAY WERE ALL THE FOUNTAINS OF THE GREAT DEEP BROKEN UP, AND THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN WERE OPENED. Genesis 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. Genesis 7:13 IN THE SELFSAME DAY ENTERED NOAH, AND SHEM, AND HAM, AND JAPHETH, THE SONS OF NOAH, AND NOAH'S WIFE, AND THE THREE WIVES OF HIS SONS WITH THEM, INTO THE ARK; Genesis 7:14 THEY, AND EVERY BEAST AFTER HIS KIND, AND ALL THE CATTLE AFTER THEIR KIND, AND EVERY CREEPING THING THAT CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH AFTER HIS KIND, AND EVERY FOWL AFTER HIS KIND, EVERY BIRD OF EVERY SORT. Genesis 7:15 AND THEY WENT IN UNTO NOAH INTO THE ARK, TWO AND TWO OF ALL FLESH, WHEREIN IS THE BREATH OF LIFE. Genesis 7:16 AND THEY THAT WENT IN, WENT IN MALE AND FEMALE OF ALL FLESH, AS GOD HAD COMMANDED HIM: and the Lord shut him in. Genesis 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. Genesis 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Genesis 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. Genesis 7:21 AND ALL FLESH DIED THAT MOVED UPON THE EARTH, BOTH OF FOWL, AND OF CATTLE, AND OF BEAST, AND OF EVERY CREEPING THING THAT CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH, AND EVERY MAN: Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. Genesis 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. Genesis 7:24 AND THE WATERS PREVAILED UPON THE EARTH AN HUNDRED AND FIFTY DAYS. Genesis 8: ------------- Genesis 8:1 AND GOD REMEMBERED NOAH, AND EVERY LIVING THING, AND ALL THE CATTLE THAT WAS WITH HIM IN THE ARK: AND GOD MADE A WIND TO PASS OVER THE EARTH, AND THE WATERS ASSWAGED; Genesis 8:2 THE FOUNTAINS ALSO OF THE DEEP AND THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN WERE STOPPED, and the rain from heaven was restrained; Genesis 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: AND AFTER THE END OF THE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DAYS THE WATERS WERE ABATED. Genesis 8:4 AND THE ARK RESTED IN THE SEVENTH MONTH, ON THE SEVENTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH, UPON THE MOUNTAINS OF ARARAT. Genesis 8:5 AND THE WATERS DECREASED CONTINUALLY UNTIL THE TENTH MONTH: IN THE TENTH MONTH, ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH, WERE THE TOPS OF THE MOUNTAINS SEEN. Genesis 8:6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made: Genesis 8:7 AND HE SENT FORTH A RAVEN, WHICH WENT FORTH TO AND FRO, UNTIL THE WATERS WERE DRIED UP FROM OFF THE EARTH. Genesis 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground; Genesis 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark. Genesis 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark; Genesis 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth. Genesis 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more. Genesis 8:13 AND IT CAME TO PASS IN THE SIX HUNDREDTH AND FIRST YEAR, IN THE FIRST MONTH, THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH, THE WATERS WERE DRIED UP FROM OFF THE EARTH: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry. Genesis 8:14 AND IN THE SECOND MONTH, ON THE SEVEN AND TWENTIETH DAY OF THE MONTH, WAS THE EARTH DRIED. Genesis 8:15 AND GOD SPAKE UNTO NOAH, SAYING, Genesis 8:16 GO FORTH OF THE ARK, THOU, AND THY WIFE, AND THY SONS, AND THY SONS' WIVES WITH THEE. Genesis 8:17 BRING FORTH WITH THEE EVERY LIVING THING THAT IS WITH THEE, OF ALL FLESH, BOTH OF FOWL, AND OF CATTLE, AND OF EVERY CREEPING THING THAT CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH; THAT THEY MAY BREED ABUNDANTLY IN THE EARTH, AND BE FRUITFUL, AND MULTIPLY UPON THE EARTH. Genesis 8:18 AND NOAH WENT FORTH, AND HIS SONS, AND HIS WIFE, AND HIS SONS' WIVES WITH HIM: Genesis 8:19 EVERY BEAST, EVERY CREEPING THING, AND EVERY FOWL, AND WHATSOEVER CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH, AFTER THEIR KINDS, WENT FORTH OUT OF THE ARK. Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. Genesis 8:21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease Well known today: ----------------------- All of this has become so firmly established in accepted scientific fact that even Grolier's encyclopedia (Academic American encyclopedia) now readily admits it. Under the heading "Divisions of the Old Testament" it states: "The Pentateuch is based on four principal sources. The oldest, J, was perhaps written in Judah, the southern kingdom, about 950 BC. Between 900 and 750, another version from Israel, the northern kingdom, was woven in; this is called EPHRAIM (E). In the 7th century BC, Deuteronomy, or most of it (D), was compiled. About 550 BC, during the exile, the final edition of the Torah added a priestly source (P), some parts of which are very old". Mr. Richard Elliot Friedman is a professor on the faculty of the University of California, San Diego. He earned his Doctorate in Hebrew Bible at Harvard University. He is one of many scholars who have attempted to critically study these "source" documents of the "five books of Moses" in order to arrive at the identity of the authors, the time period when each was written, the motives for writing each narrative, and other information. In his book "Who wrote the Bible", Prof. Friedman presents strong evidence that each "source document" was written by a person or persons who, while on the face of it seem to narrate the same stories, in actuality had distinctly different goals they wished to achieve. According to Mr. Friedman's research, each source emphasizes a certain branch of the Jews, their nobility, birth right, and closeness to God. Sometimes at the price of other branches of the Jews. For instance, J was written by descendants of Judah, E came from descendants of Israel, and P was written by a priest from the descendants of Aaron. According to Mr. Friedman, the P (Priestly) source seems to be particularly interested in priests, their lineage, their being the only ones who are allowed to sacrifice to God, the importance of sacrifice to God, and the surprising absence of all stories wherein anyone not of their lineage made a sacrifice that was accepted by God (for instance the sacrifice of the sons of Adam is missing from this narrative). It also contains stories of how all those who attempted to make sacrifices to God without the agency of an Aaronid priest were killed by God. The author goes on to show how in J and E we can find similar emphasis on one tribe of the Jews over the other. For instance, on pages 64-65 he shows how both the J and E documents attempt to give the birthright of Jacob to their own forefathers. He also shows how in the E version, Joseph is saved by his brother Ruben (the firstborn of Israel), while in the J version it is Judah who saves him. The author presents countless other proofs of these claims. The JE texts emphasize the prophet (Moses). They depict Aaron as having fashioned the golden calf. They also describe Aaron and his sister Meriam as having criticized Moses and having been chastised by God himself for this. They regularly have God saying "and Yahweh said unto Moses....". The P document (written by Aaronid priests), however, usually states: "and Yahweh said unto Moses and unto Aaron.....". In this document, the staff Moses used to perform his miracles is called "Aaron's staff". In the P document Aaron is also named as the firstborn brother of Moses. Also, as mentioned previously, in the P text no mention is made of any sacrifices to God whatsoever until the last chapter of Exodus wherein we find the story of Aaron's sacrifice when he was consecrated as high priest. After that, all sacrifices are performed by Aaron and his sons. In other words, the author of P gives no precedence for sacrifice for anyone other than an Aaronid priest. There are even a couple of places in this document which denigrate Moses (pbuh). They depicts Moses (pbuh) as sinning and Aaron suffering for Moses's sin. The rest of the books of the Jews: --------------------------------------- Well, what about the rest of the Old Testament?. Are the remaining books of the Old Testament known to have been preserved from change since the time of their first writing and truly to be the words of the claimed authors?. No!. Once again, Groliers encyclopedia tells us: ".....Joshua tells of a thorough conquest of Canaan, but Judges contains traditions of the Hebrew tribes in the period before the monarchy that reveal the conquest as partial. The books of Samuel are about the founding of the monarchy under SAUL and David and contain a magnificent early source for the life of David, probably written about 961-22 BC. ALL THE ABOVE BOOKS HAVE BEEN EXTENSIVELY EDITED BY WRITERS WHO SHARED THE THEOLOGY OF THE D SOURCE". There is much more which could be said about these matters, however, we will leave it up to the interested student to obtain a copy of Mr. Freidman's book and read his comments. Fourteen hundred years ago, back when it was a blasphemy of the highest order punishable by death to dare allege that the claimed authors of the Bible were not the true authors, e.g. that Moses (pbuh) did not write the "books of Moses", the Qur'an was sent down upon Mohammad (pbuh) by God almighty with the claim that "the people of the Book" (Jews and Christians) had changed the book of God. Mohammad (pbuh) further claimed that he was sent with the true religion of God which was sent down upon Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all). The Jews and Christians responded that Muslims were ignorant savages who had concocted their own religion by copying Judaism and Christianity, and only an insane person would ever make such allegations. We invite the reader to judge for themselves who was telling the truth. The books of the Christians: ---------------------------------- Is all of this restricted to the Old Testament?. No!. Christian scholars today call the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, the "Synoptic" (One eyed) Gospels. This is because they all seem to have had access to a common source document they were working from when they wrote their Gospels. This source document is called 'Q'. Now they are beginning to recognize that the alleged authors are not the true authors (see chapters 3.1, and 3.2). Similarly, countless verses of the Gospel of John, as well as other historical discrepancies, also go to show that John did not write the Gospel of John. Some scholars are now beginning to suspect that 'Q' may indeed be the Gospel of Barnabas. It is much larger than the others, by all measures it is an authentic Gospel (see chapter 11), and it contains all of the stories contained in these three Gospels without the contradictions found therein. "Of the Jews are those change words from their places and say: "We hear (your words O Mohammad) and disobey; hear you as one who hears not" and "give us concession" with a twist of their tongues and as a mockery of religion(Islam). But if only they had said: "We hear and we obey" and "Do make us understand" it would have been better for them and more upright. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except a few". The Qur'an, Al- Nissa(4):46. "Then woe to those who write the book (of God) with their own hands and then say: 'This is from Allah', to traffic with it for a miserable price. Woe to them for what their hands do write and for the gain they make thereby" The holy Qur'an Al-Bakarah(2):79 A different approach: Specific contradictions in the books of the Jews: --------------------------------------------------------- The following are pairs of verses which contradict one another in the books of the Jews: 2 Samuel 8:4(7 HUNDRED horsemen) 1 Chronicles 18:4(7 THOUSAND horsemen) 1 Chronicles 21:12(THREE years famine) 2 Samuel 24:13(SEVEN years famine) Deuteronomy 2:19 & Deuteronomy 2:37(Moses deprived land of Ammon) Joshua 13:24-25(Moses gives land of Ammon as inheritance) 2 Samuel 24:9(800,000+500,000) 1 Chronicles 21:5(1,100,000+470,000) 2 Chronicles 36:9(EIGHT years, three months +10 days) 2 Kings 24:8 (EIGHTEEN years, three months) 2 Samuel 10:18(700, 40,000 HORSEMEN) 1 Chronicles 19:18(7000, 40,000 FOOTMEN) 1 Kings 7:26(TWO thousand baths) 2 Chronicles 4:5(THREE thousand baths) 2 Samuel 6:23(Michal had NO children) 2 Samuel 21:8(Michal had FIVE sons) Genesis6:3(mankind shall not live past 120 years) Genesis 11:10-32 (500,438,433,464,...etc.) 2 Chronicles 9:25(4,000 stalls) 1 Kings 4:26(40,000 stalls) Isaiah 40:28 (God does not FAINT nor WEARY) Exodus 31:17 (God RESTED, and was REFRESHED.) Genisis 1: (God creates Plants, THEN animals, THEN man and woman.) Genesis 2: (God creates man, THEN plants, THEN animals, THEN woman) Ezekiel 45 and Ezekiel 46 (DOCTRINES of offerings and sacrifices) Numbers 28 and Numbers 29 (CONTRADICTORY DOCTRINES of offerings and sacrifices) 1 Chronicles 8:29-38 (One list of NAMES) 1 Chronicles 9:35-44 (A CONTRADICTORY list of NAMES) 2 Samuel 5 and 2 Samuel 6 (David brought the ark AFTER fighting the Philistines) 1 Samuel 13 and 1 Samuel 14 (David brought the ark BEFORE fighting the Philistines) Genesis 6:19-20 (Noah was to bring onto the ark "of EVERY living thing of all flesh, TWO of EVERY sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive ....male and female....of fowls....of cattle....of every creeping thing of the earth..."). Genesis 7:2-3 (Noah was
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| | Unrecorded Date thanks sis/bro anonymous. This will definitely be a quick reference to use against the fake somali wanna be idiots who show up here to win converts.
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| | Unrecorded Date coolmankid, i see you are getting well on your gutters and don't wory you are not alone, you'll be joined by other sorts of parasites. Some bigger but others even smaller than you!. It's funny that you being in such state, you dare to tell us who has lost faith and who is Somali, without even first seeking advice from your Saudi or neo-saudi masters. But then again even the tiny mices in the gutters think the whole world evolves aroud them. To anonymous with the Torah, you must be very, very sick. No body here is talking about any religion but a whole different issues which you wouldn't understand anyway. So stick with coolmankid, your are with a matching company!.
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| | Unrecorded Date Die for your anger mr aden.
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| | Unrecorded Date Who is angry and crying to shut peoples mouth here, tiny mouse!. Stay in your gutter, ignorant.
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| | Unrecorded Date Who is acting like crybabies and begging for kinship that does not exist?. Be what you want for all I care and when you step out of your limits I know what strings to pull off. I can bet on my dacas that you are the worst of the losers in the forum who disguises himself in many names to show his weakness and hypocricy. Don't you worry about other honorable brothers their time isn't worth on fakers like you and *ACURSED LIAR* like *MAD MAC* who for all the garbage christianity had to offer seeked refuge in lying about ALLAH saying he chose the donkeys(christians) over muslims. And we read: * The similitude of those who were entrusted with the (obligations of) Taurát (Mosaic Law), but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of Allah: and Allah guides not people who do wrong. 62.5*. There you have it, the guy you thanked for the INPUT is nothing more than a donkey who falsifies agianst allah and his books. And what you are really poor little lizard?. You are a hypocrite who talks what he believes NOT and says what he does NOT. and we read in the quran: *They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; but Allah does declare that they are certainly liars.* 9.107 Munaafaq munaafaq kale aan laga soo goyn. You show up with your many faces in this particular forum claiming to do good by upholding your satanic banner *tolerance* only that the law of the satan does not apply to you and call people names right? and use words like F.. right?. Is that the civilization you fakers preach in the forums?. Well, you should go back and learn and live. Brainless is always brainless. Do we go to their forums and preach our god? No and thousand times no. Because respect does not include to visit a house and disrespect its inhabitanats. And what do we have after MAD Mac the trangressor and the donkey speaks of falsehood?. We have aden supposedly a muslim thanking him for the lies he told?. Is Aden a muslim really?. You may rott in hell for all I care. What is your aim of silencing muslims citing your kuffaar quotations?. You hate islam and its people!. and we read. *Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could turn you (people) back to infidelity after you have believed, from selfish envy, after the truth has become manifest unto them* 2.109 I tell you loser, the more you and your big donkey show your miserable names here the more you will be defaced.
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| | Unrecorded Date Frankly, i didn't read what you wrote above parasite!. A few words there and there and what i see is enough. Just a projection of the invironemnt you live in, i.e, an invironement of a gutter: dark, dirt, anger, hatred and aggressivity. And frankly i hope you'll rott there, cauz you don't need a hell, you are already there.
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| | Unrecorded Date Aden the choir boy for the beleagered father Mad-mac says *Frankly, i didn't read what you wrote above parasite!*. Well, was I expecting you would read?. And why are you burning from within and took the time to respond?. Have you heard *to be or not to be*. Hypocrite is always a hypocrite. You and your vile schemers in the forums want to project your insecurities on muslims and want them act the way you act. shameless bratts, foul mouthed to muslims and islam, hypocrites filled with anger towards allah and those who believe in him. Well I said it before and I would say it again *Die for your anger*. And we read from the quran *That is because they believed, then they rejected Faith: So a seal was set on their hearts: therefore they understand not.* almunaafiquun(hypocrites). A whole chapter in the quran is dedicated for people like you. The enemy of god from within. They have our colour, language, looks, claim if they want to be muslims, but in reality hypocrites who sold their souls for short gains and want to dilute muslims with poisonous undetected litlle stinking comments here and there. Who can you fool except your poor selves?. I know you manifested your disbelieve in allah when you agreed the Mad-Mac liar when he said *God favoured christians in the quran* what an evil lie that is and you went *Thanks for your input, we need somalis like you*. And we read: *In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur),because they are false (to themselves).*2.10 You and your likes in the forum are nothing but a sick entities who want to convert people to their sickness when allah granted us a healing in the hearts. I conclude die for your anger. And don't read so you don't have to answer. I also know your other name you use to do what you do best *lick kuffar feet".
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| | Unrecorded Date Saudi as.. licker, tiny mouse, how you getting in the gutter?. Your masters verdicts "munaafaq, kufar" did not seem convincing even to you. So now you have other weapons, that i am Mad MAC, just as i was father michaels!. You better come up with other tricks to pease your ever mounting anger parasite.
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| | Unrecorded Date I rejoice at the confusion of hypocrites like you. What do you do? employ crybaby plies to satisfy your self fulfillining prophecy in which you expect everycall a caller calls will be on you. I have an assingment for you! read my earlier messages may be you will learn a thing or two. And for your info Mad Mac is an american GI who had been to somalia in 1993. May be you can ask him how many somalis he killed and whatnots. That is what hypocrites do *lick the disbelievers feet*.
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| | Unrecorded Date Coolmankind You need to chill dude. Gear down a bit. Know what I mean? I know this is an impolitic question, but if you don't mind. Can I ask your Khabilka? It helps give perspective on your point of view. Also, Islam comes through in everything you talk about. Obviously it's VERY important to you. Are you an Al-Itihad sympathizer? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad or anything. I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from. Aden Cool is correct. I am an American GI who fought in Somalia in '93. But I was not an infantryman and killing people was not my charge. That, of course, does not absolve me of responsibility for my actions. Anyway, you guys need to just agree to disagree and chill. A little live and let live, know what I'm sayin'?
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| | Unrecorded Date Mad Mac.*(* sorry it has to be a long answer*)*. I wrote this message before I saw your other message in *(* looking for another wife*)* and in there we understood each other. I think you can forget my politics and tribenots. I have no tribe in reality and being somali suits me as much. Somalis are all connected incase you were told by sick somalis otherwise. We have tribes yes but all related and have common chromosomes if you know what I mean. You can tell a somali from afar that is because they are brothers and sisters period. I feel little uneasy by a whiteman asking for my tribe. Don't you think it is ridiculous to answer that question?. Also, what made you think every somali has to prioratise tribe over his countrymen?. Yes Islam is my choice and like it better than anything else. Am I itihad?. Well, mr Mad Mac, if you think every somali has to be ITIHAD to love his religion you met the wrong somalis who gave you the wrong impression about somali religiousity. Or you are brain washed by your somali friends who may be irreligious or worse non muslim somalis*(*only non muslim somalis are my proplem*)* and those kinds of people don't represent somali masses; talk to me, I have a different story of what they feed you. I chill and be reasonable if that is your point. be advised somalis are not on the same level of education whether it is religion or not. An info that you acquired from one of us will not be likely the same as the other infos you get from other somalis. I presume you met different kind of somalis. That is why you value so much of thier tribe rather than their person. I am surprised how you don't think like an american?. you can joke about tribes but they are not the last valuable thing many somalis have. Stop being somali because it will bite you against other somali my friend. be your old whiteboy to be safe. I tell you this; make all somalis friends to you or else you won't go far in them. They are traitors to others despite their illdevised animosity between them. It is not that deep. If I understand you correct, you expect me to say to you I am HABAR GIDIR for example. And from there on you would say Aha! I knew that is why I talk the way I do. wrong again Mad Mac. Remeber I explained to you why I opposed your ideas?. they were not inline with islamic teachings. And if I said I was Itihad, you would say that is why I am so religious. Wrong again, because itihad is one of the many somali groups who aspire islamic government established in somalia and they have the right to aspire so, they are somalis and think islam will solve all the problems we have. I don't understand your animosity towards them unless you have skeletons in your closet that you don't wanna share. Somalia is not America thus islamic rule won't affect you friend, unless you don't like the idea of islamic government in somalia. *(*why do you care*)*. I am being too inquisitive because you puzzle me big time whiteman!. I feel really sorry to have treated you the way I treated you. Despite my bitter disagreements with you, I respect your being a humanbeing who has the same feelings I do and like to be treated the same way others are treated. I can't stop noticing a lot of misconceptions in your writings. I am reading too much into your writings may be. And you being *(*the other*)* makes it hard for me to simply accept your genuine friendship you said you have for somalis. I promise *(* I won't do you wrong*)*. I left you alone as I said before and have no claim on you. Sorry I bothered you. I did what was right; to correct your thinking of islam*(* going after what you said before which I explained*)*. Good hunting then in the forums. And don't assume everyone who opposes you is *(*coolmankid*)* bro. I have had my share with you. Don't feel that I am anti foreingers, I don't mind them except when they try to preach alien things to somalis . so long Maddo. Aden. I took back what I said. I think the sister had every right to excercise her rights. Father micheals was obsuletly wrong to think that somalis are faithless people who need to be saved from hell by worshipping a humanbeing. He is disrespectful to both our culture and the intellectual integrity of the public forums. As for somalinet, I think I have no proplem with them. I don't care who and what they are. Enough is their generousity to provide space for us to express our selves. as long as they are not onesided they rock. aden don't get scholarly with me. bye. sorry guys I made it long.
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| | Unrecorded Date Fair enough Coolmankid, i took back what i said about you too. MAD MAC, the aim of the intervention was to save lives but it has terribly failed. Your job in it as a soldier was limited i hope you had done it correctly and profesionnaly. For the rest no hard feeling. Nabad
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| | Unrecorded Date Aden Did you said "save lives". Before you conclude anything and praise someone just because he went to Somalia in the wrong time doesn't necessarily make him a savior. If you need the fact about what happened in Somalia in late 92' and 93, please ask me, I'll gladly give you all the details. I was working for the UN at that time.
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| | Unrecorded Date Anonymous You were working for the UN in '92 and '93? Where did you work? I was with the 10th AVN BDE in Baledogle in from DEC 92 until MAR 93. I came back to Somalia and was working in the QRF headquarters at the embassy compound as the BDE S2 from July 93 until FEB 94. What did you do with the UN there? Coolmankind OK, I'll admit I assumed you were either Haber Gedir or Shekayl. And I do understand that all Somalis are one tribe seperated by clan families. God knows I studies this whole thing a lot. I have A LOT of Somali friends from all clans (even Haber Gedir) and of course there are many divergent viewpoints among them. My viewpoints have been shaped over the years by what I experienced, what I've read and through conversation with Somalis and with people who were in Somalia. Although you are right about clan, sometimes it helps you to understand someones perspective if you understand what clan they're from and where they grew up. It's not real important though. Lastly, Anonymous is correct. I'm not looking for any praise. I did good work in Somalia, but not perfect work. Sometimes things just don't work out the way you planned them. Inshallah they will work out better in round two.
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| | Unrecorded Date Mad Mac. Round two or never. I like the latter for you mad man. I will lobby the immigration guys to make the visa hard for the americans spacially anybody with military background. Now I see why you talk like somali right away asking people's tribes and political affliations. Hmmmmmm!. I never thought somalis can spread their virus to others but here it is a white guy trying to figure where every somali is coming from politically. I guess you deserve to know mine but I like the anonymity. It works just fine. don't you worry dude, you aint seen nothing yet. You have a lot to learn about somalis. I hope you don't have other agendas in the closet. It is hard for me to grap this whole hearted interest. You think like nomad my friend and talk like nomad. read your readings but don't guess that everybody is your nightmare*Habargidir* okey?. Or your *itihad* party brothers either. There could be many patriots around here who can love their country without too much religion or tribal blindedness.
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| | Unrecorded Date HelloOOOO people are we losing sight of what the discussion at hand was about.........let me remind you it was about bannning/earsing Father*liar* Michaels from the forum. I personlly think that the Somalinet Administration should earse the Father(molester)Micheals comments of lies. I have personally went into one of the many christian sites on the net after seening a Father in a Muslim forum(the Somali forum). I changelled the suckers by a series of qusetions posted to their forum and suprise suprise my comments and geniune questions were earsed.
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| | Unrecorded Date Concerned2 Did you say your comments were erased? What sites did you post on? Please let me know because I plan to post on them and dog them out. Remind the motherfuckers about the 1st Amendment. You have the right to express yourself on any site you want. People who try to inhibit intellectual discourse are scum and perpetrate narrow minded-ness and intolerance. Don't put up with it. Let me know what that site was because I hate that ••••!!!!!
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| | Unrecorded Date Mad MAc? thanks for your good deed indeed U are one of the nicest soldier I have ever saw!!!! keep up the good fate!!!
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| | Unrecorded Date Alela I have my moments. But like any other soldier there are times when I am "not a nice man." But I love Somalis. Sometimes I just hate their attitudes. I mean, they can be very intolerant - even of each other. But it pains me to no end to see Somalia torn apart and the unrest and violence just goes on and on. Decent people are stuck living in foreign countries when they really want to go home. I just hate it. Anyway, thanks for the kind remarks. I usually get commentary like White trash, pond scum, kufaar and the like. It's OK though. I'm pretty much used to it.
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| | Unrecorded Date MAD MAC Could you shed some light on the topic of Feminism? This seems to be the burning issue on the below link, stop by and throw your two cents. Much obliged. http://somalinet.com/forum/forumfind.cgi?hit=http://www.somalinet.com/library/forums_archive/33/3086.html
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| | Unrecorded Date wassalamu alaikum warahmah, aden you disgust me man..., you're a disgrace to our society if you're one of us...tell me this how much did the church pay you to defend this father michaels character? seriously i know you must've received some dough to be talking like that...how much tho? you're a fool to trade an eternity for an uncertain life...subhanallah mad mac man you never stop do you?...you just sound like a little hypocrite... you try to befriend the somalis but at the same time try to bash our religion ohh but you think you're being slick throwing you're one line about the made up faults of islam here and there...and then denying that you're against our religion...tell me this tho soldier...where in the quran does it say men have the permission of allah to beat their wives? and iwant the exact quote if possible mr. know it all concernedmuslimah sister masha'allah may allah bless you...and ofcourse ma brother coolmankind you are indeed a cool man may allah bless you for what you're doing... to the admins of this web...what is it brothers and sisters are you gonna let this fool keep'n bashing our religion or are you gonna delete his rediculous messages? wassalamu alaikum warahmah all
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| | Unrecorded Date Muslimah. The whole issue is just disgusting for a lack of a better word. If these aliens would leave us alone would be great wouldn't it?. It won't happen. It is written that as long as we remain muslims others won't leave us alone. Whoever wants to be different should feel happy about about it and leave us alone.
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| | Unrecorded Date wassalam brother, hey i know what you mean...see they have their lol's in this soon to end world and we have our lol's in the one to come insha'allah...now see it's a choice between eternity and uncertainty well i guess we'll have the last lol insha'allah it's just loosers like aden that make me angry...but he's really not worthy of ma time. wassalamu alaikum warahmah
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| | Unrecorded Date Muslimah Unfortunately I left my Koran at home. So you're going to have to wait 6 months for the exact quote. But I'll dig it up. Not that it's important. Your missing the whole point. You are taking any critique as being anti..... That's fucked up. I have frequent critiques of my own government, it doesn't mean I'm anti-American. I have critiques against Christianity, it doesn't mean I'm anti-Christian. If I said anything short of professing to be a Moslem you would say I'm anti-Islam. You put Islam on a pedatal and announce "If it comes from the Koran then there's no debate." If that's the way you want to live your life that's fine. But don't expect me to. I have said repeatedly I'm not anti-Islamic, I just don't believe unconditionally - in anything. Not in Christianity, not in Socrates, not in democracy, and not in Islam. Where your assumption is flawed is that you seem to believe that because your "anti-western culture" anyone who's not a Muslim must be anti-Islam. And this is just not true. Just like there are Moslems who've embraced certain aspects of western culture, so are there westerners who've embraced certain (but not all) Islamic philosophies. Last but not least, I am not your enemy. Get it out of your head. I'm the best friend the Somalis have - even though many don't know it. Repeatedly in discussions with my compatriots I defend the Somalis and their culture. All you see is where I have criticism. You never seem look at the whole picture.
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| | Unrecorded Date wassalamu alaikum warahmah, mad mac, mad mac...dear to me islam is perfect you may look at it differently...it is the most misunderstood religion in the world no doubt but it does not have any faults...many misquote the quran, or misinterpret it...but if you or anyone out there would really read the quran for the sake of understanding it and not for finding faults in it...then i guarantee you that you'd believe that it's the only way for mankind...but what many do is try to look for faults in it...and once your whole intention is to find faults in it then you're definitely going to find it...yes to me you seem a little hypocrite cuz you make your self seem like the bestfriend a somali can have and at the same time come with little lines that defame our religion...i'm sorry i may have misunderstood you,and your ways but that is how it seemed to me...as far as critiquing the quran goes boy trus me i've done it...but ididn't do it so i can go and make up little lies about it, i did it so i can get better understanding of it...i know you probably think since i was raised in islam i have not been exposed to any other culture or religion thus i must be blind to all other religions no dear i'm not...i've been here too long and trust me i've been exposed to many religions and many different cultures but i've yet to see one that's better than islam...again you may believe other wise but that's your perogative...and by the way i've got nothing against americans so let's get that straight...i'm not anti anything well i'm anti who's ever is anti-islam...and i dont think everyone is anti-islam but yes many are, probably more than you think...trust me when you've been here long enuff to see what ppl do to defame islam you're gonna believe that most are against islam...when every little thing that happens in theunited states is linked to islamic terrorism, when you barely see the word islam without the word terrorism, what do you want me to believe? and i do not think anyone who's not a muslim is anti-islam...i believe anyone who's out there to defame islam is anti-islam...and to me you seem like one...i could be wrong and if that's the case i apologize but that's the way it seemed to me...and buddy i don't expect yo to do or believe anything so let's get that straight...i'll state this again islam is without any fault, inother words perfect to me...we do have many that confuse non muslims about the religion but as far as the religion itself goes it is perfect to me...to you it may be and probably is not perfect but that's your business not mine...if you think i'm wrong for defending ma religion then you need to straighten your priorities, because for as long as i live i'll defended it...islam is a choice for me and not forced upon me... p.s: about the verse that talks about beating women i'll wait till you got the book and quote it for me and then knowing me i'll explain it to you...if it's as you say it is wassalamu alaikum warahmah
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| | Unrecorded Date Muslimah I love it when you call me dear. OK, you and I are much closer than either of us thought - intellectually I mean. I agree with everything you wrote. There's a little misinterpretation on your part, obviously I didn't expres myself clearly enough, I'm not anti-Islam or trying to bash Islam or anything of the sort. Obviously there's philosophies that I don't agree with or I'd be a Moslem. But I'm not trying to throw stones at believers or their beliefs. As you've heard me saying to Bashir Abdi I'm not sure that Islam is not the right way. I'm not sure what the right way is. I have a relationship with God that I'm comfortable with and that's good enough for me. Beyond that I ask questions more out of curiousity than anything else. You be cool little sister. And keep calling me dear, I just love that.
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| | Unrecorded Date assalamu alaikum warahmah brothers and sisters in islam, hey there mr. mad man how is it that you're doing? see man i'm sure you're probably getting sick of hearing this from me but without doing that you won't understand islam...you really won't... so let me say this again would you pls read the quran and this time read it with the intention of understanding it...and if you can't ask someone you feel comfortable with...there are some brothers who are americans maybe that can be of help dear...lol! see once you do that man you'll really know that islam is the only way of life...i'm not saying this cuz i'm muslim it's cuz it's the truth...i know everyone wants others to believe that their religion is the way of life but you've gotta trust me on this...you seem like a good person and i don't want you to go to hell cuz you were too hard headed to see god's only way...and trust me there's only one right path...i'll do all the prayers i can...and i hope you realise one day that we were all telling you the truth...ask all the questions you want to and i will try to answer waht i can...now i really don't know much...ive only been a true practisser for a yr. and few months so what i can't explain i'll research it for you...and again i apologize for that message i was a bit irritate it by soem comments you've made but that's all behind us now...so buddy take care and never stop researching for the truth... hey everyone i'd like you to check this website if you can...it belongs to a young talented brother of mine so pls take the time to check it out www.keinaan.com thank you and may allah bless you ma siblings mad mac we cool man...youtake care and hopefully we'll continue our little discussions...it's interesting at times...most of the times wassalamu alaikum warahmah
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| | Unrecorded Date asalama `alaykum muslims, concernedmuslimah(and others like her), it's very sad to see that people who are claiming to be "muslims" are so tiny in thought and respect. the whole point of islam coming to arabia (and to the world) was what, exactly??? can anyone shed light on that??? what happened to early muslims? what did prophet muhammad do regarding non-muslims, etc? people need to learn the basics of their religion before they try to oppress others. YES, it's oppression to tell people "do not says what we don't." did you know that prophet muhammad HELPED christians build a CHURCH in medina when muslims became the power in the area??? what does that say? did you know that prophet muhammad helped jewish people get their torahs re-written(in new texts, etc)???? things that are offensive to the core about islam. WHY did he do such thing, do you think???? because...islam is a choice -- and beside anything else, islam is a freedom for mankind to EXCERCISE the power of choice; to choose the path one thinks is right for him/her. please, read the answer to adam from god when god forgives him and eve. "the servants of the beneficent lord are those who walk on earth, humble...and when the ignorants address them, theys say 'peace'" al-furqaan. father michael can be ignored and told; 'peace' no one is twisting anyone's arm to read father michael's offensive posts. NO ONE is twisting anyone's arm to respond/debate with him. if you feel you have youth out there who are 'unsure' of islam. then, it's YOUR job...as a somali and a muslim person to educate them and teach them of your culture and religion. please, do not blame others for your weaknesses and failures. god does not love the proud -- those who feel they have the right to oppress and shut out others. we're, humans, all here on earth to make choices -- each shall make their own choices...and there is a god. if you need to insult/bad-mouth father michael's religion, as he does yours, then there shall be no blame on you -- but god loves those who live up to him...and ignore the ignorants. somaalidaa waxay ku maah-maahdaa, 'shimbirba shimbirkiisuu la duulaa' -- no one needs father michaels...and as they say; 'laha`riot' peace - ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmad and Muslimah I asked our Chaplain here for a copy of the Koran. He's going to give me one this week. I promise I will re-read it with an open mind. Ahmad, Sahib I'm really impressed. We definately need to hook up at some point. You and Muslimah have written some very impressive things here on the net. Great thoughts. I will think on it hard over the next few months. Nabad Gelyo
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| | Unrecorded Date asalama `alaykum muslims, mac, if you truly wanna understand qur`an -- learn arabic. all the translations that are available today, mis-represent the origional qur`an. it's like the hebrew bible...it's MUCH MUCH MUCH different from that of the 'english'. anyone who truly reads the hebrew bible -- will believe in muhammad(if they're familiar with muhammad's history). one very convincing thing is -- song of songs 5.16...where muhammad is named POINT-PLANK. it reads(in english); "His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my lover, this my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem." the word; 'altogether lovely' is 'mahamatim' or written in hebrew; 'machmadim'(however, it's pronounced; mahamatim') since mose people cannot say; the 'ch' in hebrew like they can't says the 5th alaphbet in the arabic language; 'h'. god is talking about here his 'lover' who will come and who he CAN'T wait to arrive. this is because this 'lover' is one who will be SENT for ALL mankind and not just to israel. thus, for a hebrew-speaking person, the verse is like this; "His mouth is sweetness itself; he is Muhammad. This is my lover, this my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem." however, the people of translation -- always translate names. no one names anyone; 'mahamat' in hebrew. it's an arabic name -- but hebrews understand the meaning of 'machmadim'(which even in arabic...is part of what muhammad means; the altogther loverly, the praised one, the one who is satisfied with, etc etc etc). god made sure that NO ONE was named muhammad before muhammad - who lived to forty. everyone before muhammad...who was named muhammad were killed or died natural death before they reached forty. this is because according to jewish tradition, when a man reaches forty(UNLESS he specially gifted as john or jesus) he attains maturity and must be on his own. jews in arabia hunted for 'muhammad' in arabia...since god makes a clear prophecy that he will come through the inhabitants of KEDAR(isaiah 42, verse 9-14) and kedar is the land of the arabs(because kedar was a grandson of abraham through ishmael...whom the 12 tribes of arabs came through). so, jews in arabia...darn well knew muhammad was the awaited prophet. however, due to their long-hatred for arabs...they will never accept him. to this day, they will not accept him. but i can't blame them -- since arabs did the same thing for thousands of years...begining with moses. anyway, take care -- and good luck with your new qur`an. i would advise you to get a copy of SHAKIR. do not get yusuf ali. and rashad khalifa's is okay -- but still contains many errors. oh, by the way; the word; "IM" after machmad is just out of respect. god does that in the hebrew bible. he calls himself; "ELOHIM" it's a plural of respect. elohim -- literally means gods. but it means; 'god' the god of abrahm. we see similar thing in the arabic as well. 'we created the heavens and earth' etc etc etc. there is only one god -- but it sounds there are 'gods'. it's a plural -- but it is the plural of respect...instead of general. similar thing is usually used by royal families. for example, the queen of england addresses her people as; "WE ordered blah blah" when it's just HER. hahah! lol! peace - ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date asalama alaykum muslims, mac, ooops -- sorry...that didn't show up well. somalinet was down for a while...so when i wrote and couldn't post it -- i saved it in my MS works. oh, well, a boo-boo! ;D peace - ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmad Learn Arabic? Are you nuts? I'm having a hard enough time learning Somali. Arabic doesn't even have the same alphabet. I appreciate the problem with translations but hey, most of the world doesn't speak Arabic so I'm assuming God knew that when he sent the message through a native Arabic speaker. Otherwise we're out of luck here, because there's no way I'm going to learn Arabic. It's WAY TOO HARD.
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| | Unrecorded Date asalama alaykum muslims, mac, aaawwww, aren't ya being a little bit too human!lol! you should never say; "never"...there ain't nothing we can't learn. all we have to do is put our mind to it. and truth be told -- arabic is MUCH easier than somali. the alphabate...of the arabic ain't that hard to learn. trust me -- ya can do it...if ya want to. peace - ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date •••• IT ALL UP!!!!!! OOPS.....Hey I aint being disrespectful but I'm tired of seeing whiteman's pull-shits everywhere whenever I try to read somalis discuss. I quit this damn net. peace.
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| | Unrecorded Date Real Waryaa That would be Bull-••••, Saahib. Not Pull-••••. Not trying to be pendantic here. Too bad you don't like white people, there's a lot of us. And it's not like we can help being white or anything.
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| | Unrecorded Date asalama `alaykum muslims, mac, lol! couldn't say it any better! white people are not going anywhere...i suggest all those who have issues with white people should get it outa their system. peace - ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date Ahmed: Mad mac(mad cow) muu ku wasaa waadiga u naagaynaya gaalka xune? Ileen somalida waxa nagu baray waa adiga. Anyway who cares there's alot of fuggets in the west, but somalida adigoo kale inuu ku jiro uma moodeyn.
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| | Unrecorded Date asalama alaykum muslims, annonymous, hahahahahahahahahahahaha! LOL! saaxiib, waxaa la yiri; "marti -- waa la sugaa...waana la sadwaa" marka -- ninkaan marti buu inoo yahaye...aan xushmayno. mida kale...waa nin dadkeena/dalkeena jecel...in loo naageeyo xaq buu u lee yahay. peace - ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date asalama alaykum muslims, alela, we are not english speaking people, alela. it's privellege that we are speaking english in our own forums, at all...and NOT a right. when and if we visit english-speaking forums, please ask us such thing...until then -- don't try to oppress us in our own home. we will speak our language whenever and however we want to. no offense to you at all, but we have a VERY rich language, just FYI. peace - ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date AHMED, MACALINKA I KNOW WE HAVE A BEUTIFUL LANGUAGE BUT ALSO WE HAVE TO RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE AND TALKING TO US< AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IT FEELS UNCONFORTABLE WHEN OTHER PEOPLE SPEAKS DIFFERENT LANGUAAGE< WAXAA NALA MOODAA IN AANU NAHAY DAD XUN OO DADKA XANTA< SO NO OFFENCE BROTHER BUT THAT WAS A SUGESTION. ALELA
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| | Unrecorded Date asalama `alaykum muslims, alela, the people who are here -- should know that we have a language...and we can speak it any time any how...without 'xan'. waxaan difaacayay mak -- ma wax xan ah baa taas? mida kale, waxaa si xun u hadlay qof naga mid ah -- waan toosiyay. ma waxaad rabtey inaan ingiriis ugu jawaabo markuu qofku af-somaali ku hadlay horaantiiba??? fakar, yaa sheikh! peace - ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date Alela While I appreciate the thought (I think I''m the only non-Somali who hangs out in this forum) I'm sure a lot of Somalis find it harder to express themselves in English. So I only ask for translations when it was addressed to me. Anonymous, if you want me to understand your message please translate - my Somali isn't what it should be.
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| | Unrecorded Date Mad Mac what arrogance? What the hell do u MEAN translate? I mean this is a SOMALI forum in a SOMALINET therefore if YOU want to communicate with us LUQADEENA BARO !!!! I mean a Somali person would NOT be able to get a translation in an English or French speaking forum NOW would they? So tough sh*t if u don't understand!!! Cest la vie!!!
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| | Unrecorded Date AHMED : sorry Brother for that I missunderstood but what i was talking about was the other people whom U corrected or talked to them in Somali ]and I know for what I see U are One of the intelegent people that I have chat with on the net, so please (IGA RAALI NOQO) thanks Alela peace Mad Mac: U welcome, I was just trying to explain Some stuff for those who think u an speak Somali Language . Alela peace
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| | Unrecorded Date asalama `alaykum muslims, alela, no harm is done. peace - ahmad
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| | Unrecorded Date Anonymous I say again, if you want me to understand what you wrote you have to translate. If you don't fine. I'm not demanding that you do anything. I am well aware this is a Somali forum and while I wish that I could speak Somali the fact is I have a very limited vocabulary. So if you don't want to translate that's fine. Just be advised if you address something to me in Somali I won't understand it.
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