     Ahmed | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 12:24 pm
Dear brothers and sisters:
We are all aware of the hardship and suffering that was endured by the people of Somaliland at the hands of the previous regime. Regardless of all the trials and tribulations that was placed upon our people we are still willing to reconcile and negotiate with the Southerners in particular the Darood clan despite all the heinous crimes they committed against the isaqq people. Nevertheless, we have perservered over seemingly impossible odds and we have achieved miraculous political stability and economic prosperity all without outside assistance. Our horrid exprience with the South may have actually been a blessing in disguise since we have been given an opportunity to function independentely and shown the world we are a self-reliant people capable of sovereignty and deserve recognition. I would like feedback from all Somali people regardless whether they be somalilanders or not but lets do it in good style and please no personel or tribal attacks its degrading and childish.
Ahmed: proud Somalilander |
| Xoogsade | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 12:32 pm
Yes.
And we are willing to reconcile despite the heinous crimes commited against innocent civilians by the SNM. |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 12:42 pm
Dear Xoogsade,
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Your's #$%$#%^! |
| Mr | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 12:53 pm
Assalamu Aliakum,
Dear Xoogsade ,
I am really appalled at your distorted vision. I thought maybe you were impartial but to equate the atrocities created by a government backed by the citizens of the entire country with a regular army taking action of about 70 thousand against what you say 4 thousand SNM soldier killed. I wonder where the atrocity is??? Please explain how you can equate the two!
Wassalam Wa bilaahi Towfiiq |
| Anonymous | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 01:10 pm
Mr.
I think you mistake Xoogsade's intent.He just LOVES..the word 'atrocity'.....you can take reference in most of his written comments.please ignore and give him a new word...maybe ..your impression on him will change. |
| Hiba | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 02:29 pm
Hello Brothers and Sisters
In regards to the question of Somaliland's future......yes recognition is envitable even if it seems far fetched to some at the moment. What I know for sure and I wish to god the southerners would understand is that unification is IMPOSSIBLE and absolutely out of the question. I think we would be crazy to re-unite with former somalia for several reasons I need not dwell on.
One more note: I often hear southerners scream Somaliland can not survive on her on blah...blah...blah..... and here is what I say< we haven't done too bad of a job for the past ten years or so and things can only get better for us> besides why dont southerns get on with thier lives and let Somaliland be, incase they haven't notice we have no interest in thier country and YES the two are now two diff counteries.
A Somalilander through & through
Hiba |
| Xoogsade | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 02:49 pm
Mr
Of course I am impartial, but there are issues...
And yes indeed the Somalia we knew will never be. Out of its ashes will come a new and improvised political, economic and social structures that will I am sure gain the respect if not recognition of the world at large... |
| Xaali | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 03:05 pm
Ahmed, could you elaborate on and list what you think will be conditions for reconcilation? |
| Xoogsade | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 03:34 pm
Xaali
Hi |
| DHOOROW | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 03:44 pm
xaali,
It's simple sis first of all we as a somalilanders need appology and then sign a decree to guarantee that unileteral seperation if those like 1988-1991 attorocities would ever happen again in somaliland
NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS CAPICHI! |
| XIDDIGTA BANAADIR | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 04:21 pm
XIDDIGTA BANAADIR 16-ka Ogost 2000. Cad. 537-aad San. 5-aad Bogga 4-aad
BAARLAMAANKA JAMHUURIYADDA SOOMAALIYA
LIISKA MAGACYADA XUBNAHA BAARLAMAANKA SOOMAALIYA EE 9-BEELOOD
Waxaan akhristayaasha sharafta leh u soo gudbineynaa magacyada inta badan beelaha Soomaaliyeed u galay Baarlam-aanka cusub ee dowladda KMG ah hadba intii aynu helnay, waxayna kala yihiin sidan:
Beesha Mareexaan:
C/araxmaan Jaamac Barre
Jan. Maslax maxamad Siyaad Barre
Mowliid Xasan Cumar
Barre Ugaas Geedi
Jan. Axmed Warsame Max'ed
Jan. Cabdicasiis Cali Barre
Shire Suudi Maxamuud
Maxamed Xaashi Gaani
Aadan Bile Maxamed
Maxamed Cali Cabdi
C/raxmaan Yuusuf Diiriye
Jan. Cumar Xaaji Masalle
Axmed Cabdi Gurxan
Canab Maxamad Siyaad
Beesha Ogaadeen:
Bile Rafle Guuleed
Col/ Axmed Cumar Jees
C/llaahi Xasan Maxamuud
C/llaahi macallin Dhoodaan
Col. Maxamad Sheikh Cabdi Xasan
Maxamuud C/llaahi sangub
C/Wahaab Maxamed Xuseen
Cusmaan Sheekh Maxamed
Cumar Sheekh Maxamuud
Cumar Cabdi Xiireey.
Beesha Awrtable:
Yuusuf Axmed Max'ed [Xaraare]
Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf
Fowsiya C/llaahi Nuur.
Beesha Meheri:
Axmed Maxamed (Beydari)
Faarax Sayid
Caasha Khaliif Cabdi (Indha-buur)
Beesha Dhulbahante:
Garaad Ahmad sulaiman dafle
Cali Khaliif Galleyr
Faarax Cali Shire
Khaliif Baadiyoow Axmed
Ceydiid Xaaji Maxamed
Maxamed Xersi Ducaale
Saado Cali Warsame.
Beesha reer Aw Xasan:
Mukhtaar Maxamed Yuusuf
Xasan Daahir Cabdi.
Beesha Jareer.
Mukhtaar Ramadaan Arboow
Sheekh Abti Maxamed
Dr. Sadiiq Xasan
Prof. Cabaas Nuugaaye
Khadiijo Foodeey Xammaad.
Beesha Digil & Mirifle:
Kuusoow Kurtunwaareey masafoow
Mukhtaar Sagaaroow Eyleh
Xasan Eedan Samatar
Maxamed Cali Xaamud
Maxamad Sheikh Cusmaan Jawaari
Maxamad Aadan Shamuuri
Siid Axmed Sheekh Daahir
Cusmaan Libaax Ibraahim
Maxamed Siid Axmed
Xuseen Macallin Iimaan
C/qaadir Qaasim Mursal
Axmed Xaaji Maxamed
Cali Aadan Xuseen (Margus)
Sheekh Aadan Macallin
Sheekh Cali Maxa'd Ibraahim
Nuur Xaaji Madjiroon
Ibraahim Yarow
Sheekh Axmed Cabdi Booriile
Ibraahim Macallin Kutub
Cali Mursal Maxamed
Maxamed Mursal Boorow
Sheekh Ibraahim Max'ed Cabdi
C/llaahi Dhuusoow
Ibraahim Meygaag Samatar
Shariif Xasan Sheekh Aadan
Sheekh Cabdi Sheelaweyne
Xuseen Max'ud Sh. Xuseen
Ing. Munye baraawiini
Prof. Saalim Cabdi Ibrow
C/llaahi Sh.Maxamed Nuur
Sh.C/raxmaan Max'ed Cusman
Xumoow xaaji Uraaye
Macallin Maxamuud Aadan
Yuusuf Suldaan Timmacadde
C/Waaxid Sheekh Axmed
Saciid Cabdalla Cumar
Axmed Maxamed Nuur
Dr.Xasan Max'ed [Shaargaduud]
Sheekh Aadan Max'ed Nuur
Maxamed Ibraahim Maxamed
Mukulaaloow Shabag Sagaaro
Madoobe Nuurow Maxamed
Max'ed C/qaadir Abuu Cumar
Cabdi Xaaji Yariis
Shariif Maxamed C/llaahi
Faaduma Maxamed Nuur
Xabiiba Booraay
Huburooy booroow
Aay Ooman Bonkaay Aroodiye
Caasha Cabdi Sheekh
Beesha Majeerteen:
Xasan Abshir Faarax
Jan. Maxamed Abshir Muuse
Boqor C/llaahi Boqor Muuse
Aadan Maxamed Cali
Dr Maxamuud Gheele Yuusuf
Jan Maxamad Cali Samantar
C/risaaq maxamad abuubakar
Abshir Muuse Samatar(Korontada)
C/raxmaan Cabdulle Codweyn(Shuuke)
Jaamac Beel-daaje
Jan. Max'ed Saciid [Morgan]
C/weli Indha-garaw
Dr Saciid Faarax Cadde
C/rashiid Cumar-dheere
Axmed Maxamed Gololey
Dr C/qaadir Xuseen Indhabuur(Flash)
Muuse Madoobe
Saciid Warmajaanle
Muuse Cali Jaamac
Cusman Max'ed Faarax (Gamure)
Maxamed Daahir Afrax (Maanafaay) |
| The Truth | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 04:40 pm
Attention! Attention! Attenton!
That is what the maniacs who go by the name of Isaqq are always trying to get. The best thing that the Somali People can happen to is if those Jat chewing, Arab and white warshipping negroes, the isaqqs, become an independant desert. The fact is, the land that these maniacs, the isaqqs, live has no resources- The Isaqq people are the laziest community in the Somali People. The only thing Somalia with out Isaqq loses is Jat chewing lazy people who would have been a drain to the economy. The Isaqq people have a culture that is different from the other Somalis. They like to be colonized and abused so much that the famous Somali hero, Mohamed Abdule Hassan, even mentioned in his poets. It is the culture of the isaqqs that they will always choose to be a servant for an arab or a european over having their own freedom.
Speaking for the Majority of the Somalis:
We do not need you, the Isaqqs, people. Get a life and we wil make sure you guys get the right papers to enter Somalia when your desert is recolonized again.
Peace! |
| The Truth | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 04:40 pm
Attention! Attention! Attenton!
That is what the maniacs who go by the name of Isaqq are always trying to get. The best thing that the Somali People can happen to is if those Jat chewing, Arab and white warshipping negroes, the isaqqs, become an independant desert. The fact is, the land that these maniacs, the isaqqs, live has no resources- The Isaqq people are the laziest community in the Somali People. The only thing Somalia with out Isaqq loses is Jat chewing lazy people who would have been a drain to the economy. The Isaqq people have a culture that is different from the other Somalis. They like to be colonized and abused so much that the famous Somali hero, Mohamed Abdule Hassan, even mentioned in his poets. It is the culture of the isaqqs that they will always choose to be a servant for an arab or a european over having their own freedom.
Speaking for the Majority of the Somalis:
We do not need you, the Isaqqs, people. Get a life and we wil make sure you guys get the right papers to enter Somalia when your desert is recolonized again.
Peace! |
| MAD MAC | Wednesday, August 16, 2000 - 11:08 pm
In my opinion, I really think it would be in everyones interest if the new provisional Somali government recognized Somaliland as a temporary state and Somaliland agreed to consider by plebescite the joining of the new Somali state in 3-5 years time frame. In the long run it would be better for all Somalis to have one state (frankly that state should include the Ogaden and the NFC but these are lost causes). But for now that is not feasible, so I think that they should agree to cooperate until they can establish enough stablity to allow for the possibility of the dissolution of the Somaliland State and the establishment of one political entity that, by the way, Ibrahim Egal might be the head of. |
| kowneyn | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 12:33 am
'Republic' wants recognition on the world stage
By Harvey Morris
Published: August 14 2000 19:21GMT | Last Updated: August 14 2000 19:27GMT
It could serve as a model for Africa: peaceful, stable, little crime, no debt,
a liberal economic regime and, as of this month, a multi-party electoral
system. The trouble is that the Republic of Somaliland does not officially
exist.
It isn't all good news in the republic. The former British Somaliland, which
unilaterally declared its independence from the rest of Somalia in 1991, is
largely dependent on aid and remittances from exiles. In a population of
around 3.5m - more them half of them animal-herding nomads - infant
mortality is high, with one in five children dying before the age of five.
Medical care and education are minimal and life expectancy is 48.
In addition, much of the economically active male population spend half
their earnings on chewing ghat, a green leaf imported from Ethiopia that is
rich in amphetamine and renders them economically inactive by about
midday.
Nevertheless the capital, Hargeisa, where goats graze among the ruins of
the city centre, is undergoing an economic revival, fuelled by investments
from rich Somalis overseas. That is one reason it does not want to be
dragged back into the general Somalia maelstrom. "They want to put
Humpty Dumpty together again," says a former diplomat. "But it can't
work."
Somaliland, whose independent status is not recognised by the rest of the
world, now boasts five private airlines serving Somalia and the Gulf and
five private telecoms companies. The latter offer mobile and internet
services and instant dial-up access to anywhere in the world for a flat-rate
$1 a minute - the cheapest in the region.
This leap into the 21st century contrasts with Somaliland's almost Biblical
inventory of exports from its main port at Berbera - live camels, goats and
sheep, animal hides, frankincense and myrrh.
Somaliland withdrew from the rest of Somalia after a 10-year war in
which the forces of the late dictator Mohamed Siad Barre almost razed
Hargeisa in pursuit of separatist rebels. Much of the city, which was
heavily bombed in the war by South African mercenary pilots, is still in
ruins.
The population has been swelled to 350,000 by refugees returning from
camps in neighbouring Ethiopia and rich Somalilanders have come home
to begin constructing elegant villas on the outskirts of town.
Even foreign businessmen are beginning to return. One Italian
entrepreneur, in town to study the prospects of funding small and
medium-sized businesses, says: "Now's the time to get in, before they get
recognition. The risks are bigger, but so are the rewards."
He is investigating the opportunities for exploiting Somaliland's granite and
semi-precious minerals, while others are seeking to revive the rich fishing
grounds of the Gulf of Aden, a waterway currently plagued by pirates.
The only large foreign company to have shown an interest is France's
Total oil company. Total spent $3.5m refurbishing the territory's oil
storage facility at Berbera in exchange for a monopoly on oil supply and
distribution. But Total officials complain they have to put up with the
obstacles of non-recognition: they find it impossible to obtain insurance for
their personnel and equipment and shipments into Berbera are covered by
the high war insurance rates applicable to the rest of Somalia.
Central bank governor Abdulrahman Dualeh Mohamoud complains that
lack of international recognition also stifles the development of commercial
banking in Somaliland, which has had its own currency - the shilling - since
1994. Most transfers of money are presently carried out by private foreign
exchange dealers.
Traders find it impossible to obtain letters of credit and the bank cannot
have direct relations with the World Bank and the International Monetary
Fund. The up-side is that, as no one will lend it money, Somaliland is
unable to get into debt. "I run a tight money policy," says Mr Mohamoud.
"If ministers send me vouchers for payment and the revenue isn't there to
support them, I just send them back."
In a bid to attract investment, Somaliland has a liberal investment law.
Foreign companies are allowed to buy majority stakes in local enterprises
and export their profits. President Mohamed Ibrahim Egal says the
government is even prepared to review the investment law at the
suggestion of potential investors.
Mr Egal believes there is enough money available within the Somaliland
diaspora in the US, UK, Sweden and elsewhere, to ensure the country's
economic development. But recognition remains the main barrier. Hence
his appeal to the UN. |
| kowneyn | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 12:34 am
Somaliland seeks special UN status
By Harvey Morris in Hargeisa, Somalia
Published: August 14 2000 19:19GMT | Last Updated: August 15 2000 11:49GMT
The president of Somaliland, Mohamed Ibrahim Egal, has called for his
self-declared republic to be accorded special status by the United Nations to
allow it to pursue separate development outside Somalia.
The former British Somaliland, which broke away from Somalia in 1991, fears
being dragged back into the country's long-running civil war and is boycotting a
peace conference in neighbouring Djibouti. On Monday a new transitional
parliament for Somalia, set up by the peace conference on Sunday, was due to
hold its first session.
Somaliland officials refuse to accept decisions made at Djibouti, while the
international community is reluctant to endorse the balkanisation of the Horn of
Africa by recognising Somaliland independence.
"We accept the fact that the international community at the moment is not geared
towards giving us sovereign recognition," Mr Egal said in an interview with the
Financial Times. "So what we say is that, just like the Palestinians or the
Kosovans or the people in Timor, we should be given a special status, an interim
special status whereby we can at least deal with donors and the international
financial institutions."
The conference in Djibouti - former French Somaliland - opened in May, the 13th
meeting to attempt to restore government in Somalia since the republic
disintegrated when President Mohamed Siad Barre was ousted in 1991.
While Somaliland has had a stable government since rival clans put aside their
factional differences in 1997, the rest of the country - formerly Italian Somaliland -
has been in the hands of a range of tribal and factional groups. The only other
region with a working administration, Somaliland's eastern neighbour Puntland,
also boycotted the Djibouti talks.
The inauguration of the new parliament came after three months of discussions
among delegates representing Somalia's clans. But some of the country's most
powerful warlords and faction leaders have refused to support the Djibouti
process.
As Mogadishu is currently dominated by rival warlords and factional fighting
continued this week in central Somalia, the proposed government may decide to
set itself up in the provincial city of Baidoa.
President Egal this month signed a new electoral law that aims to set up national
political parties within 18 months, by which time a referendum will be held on a
new Somaliland constitution.
The president acknowledged he hoped for international support for his bid for
recognition, although he noted this would not be a priority for Washington in
election year. |
| Realsoutherner | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 02:03 am
the truth in a nutshell, if Hargeys and Burio wants independence we are all happy for them to go all alone. We(the southerners) have no problem in signing the papers which may allow them to do so, but that means leaving other people's land alone and if you guys insist on taken with you some of the land in question, well there is nothing that stops us in insisting that you too stay part of us. So my advice to those in favour of Somaliland separation from the rest of somalia is stop making noises. you want independence? talk about maps and the nitty gritty business otherwise we would be talking the same stuff for another twenty years. I don't think that will benefit any of us and I am sure neither of us is happy with this rather unhappy union. When we signed the union agreement in the 60s we signed the agreement with all the five regions that make up somaliland. same way that somaliland has signed same agreement with all regions that make up somalia. Now if two regions out of the five regions want independence we(the southerner) have every responsibility to protect the other three from being forced to separation that they got nothing to do.
As for the people who say that the south owes an apology for the atrocity commited by Aweyne and his regime. Well, all I have to say to you is Afweyne's men were recruited from all corner of somalia including Hargeysa, therefore i see no reason why the south alone should apologize for their actions. similar atrocity were committed against some southerners and I still haven't heard anyone apologizing to them. Why should they apologize for something they are not responsible? |
| Xaali | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 05:16 am
Xoogsade, nabad gacaliye  |
| Bosasso_4eva | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 08:23 am
Is the international recognition of Somaliland inevitable? No, in my honest opinion any future recognition of Somaliland by any major foreign government would be hypocrisy and contradict the U.N Resolution in regards to Africa which states "All African boundries and borders have been defined to their post colonial status. No, new nations could come in to existance on the sole basis of Race, religion, tribe or clan affiliations". The only acceptance to this ruling was the african sate of Eritrea which was exempted because the entire Ethiopian nation supported their departure and recognised their sovereignty". I always hear Northerners saying that this is Northern issue and the South has no say in our future but on the contrary my jat-chewing friends we control your destiny just as much as you control ours and unless you wise up and try to compromise with the rest of the Somalian people your fate will forever be sealed as a make-shift state with no future no hope and ofcoarse no recognition. So in closing i would like to remind my northern friends that this is not an Isaqq or Darood or Gidibursay agenda but rather a national issue that shall be addresed by all members of the Somali nation and no one group or clan will ever hold a monopoly in the government, the civil service and judiciary as long as we all come together as a nation united by history, race, religion and last but certainly not least common interest.
Wa Salam Wa Billahi Towfic |
| The Truth | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 08:48 am
I am tired of hearing about these weak minded people who always are trying to please these lazy chat chewing maniacs who call themselves Isaqq.
Before you start pleasing and acting as politically correct, tell me why you guys want these people and their desert to be part of Somalia? Did you guys look at the big picture?
These are lazy people who inhabit the most inhabitable and desolute part of Somalia.
The only reason why they set up their fictional country is to get some leverage in the Somali political system. THAT IS IT!
I want them to leave Somalia and never bring their laziness and their inferiority complex to Somalia.
To all the Issaqs.
Stop playing the kid games and if you guys are serious about this, god bless you for taking your problems out of Somalia and stop trying to see what other somalis think of your upnormal twisted behavior. |
| Laascaanoodi | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 09:09 am
guys leave somaliland alone let it be
Somaliland belongs to somalilanders the rest of you stay out of and start cleaning your **futo**
wipe dirt of your face and leave them alone
Somaliland belongs to Dhulbahante, Issaaq, warsengeli, Ciise iyo Guda biirsay.
every one else stay out of the conversation.
we will let you know if your feed back and inputs are needed. |
| HWADAAG | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 09:28 am
The Truth: You need to learn the art of debating. Look at Somalia today before you bad mouth others.
You call some people who live in peace lazy while the rest of Somalia is in ruins. Somaliland is Somali success and I am proud of our Somali brothers and sisters who didn't let Somalia's civil war and destruction slip into their territory.
Should they secede? It is up to them to decide. We need to clean our backyard before we tell others what's good for them. |
| HASSAN | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 09:37 am
Hwadaag
APPLAUSE!APPLAUSE1APPLAUSE!
TELL THESE PEOPLE! |
| PROUD | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 10:06 am
AHMED
and the rest of you retards,somaliland has already established a credibility on maturity,sense to proceede forward and self organisation.can you tell me the rest of somali nation's stand point on credibility.I mean they are still under the influence of war and hate and chaos,what else do you think of them?Somaliland has created a favorably pragmatic government and organisation.Although its in the early stage of experiment,the government in Somaliland has prooven better than the status quo in southern somalia.The people are self enterprenuer,tenecious citizens and proud of their regognized land of freedom.I hope somaliland becomes an out of state single self government.......when..the rest of somalia wakes up and smell ther coffee.I am not entirely against the saparation of the north and south somalia at all.Southern somalia is just another demised place and their people retarded to the point of obsolete!Hey who know maybe their men will come and work for our household as a houseboy aand housegirl.By then we would need people to scrub the floor for us.And its not exactly a demotion of profession.Daroods and Hawiya used to do those jobs before.Imagine me as an advertisement executive and i'm advertising my fellow somaliland citizen as follows:
" Come see our land of prosperous oppotunity and civilised people.A place you can speak English and not italian,A place you can speak somali and not slang somali,aplace of piece and harmony,and not guns and roses,a place where you live your life and be somebody,not a place where you live your life in terror and aim to become the best Moryaan you can be.
COME ! COME! AND JOIN SOMALIAND |
| laascaanoodi | Thursday, August 17, 2000 - 10:37 am
waar iidoor wagaashe waxad tihiin soomaali dhaba
anigoo ku hadlaya afka reer laascaanood
waanu ognahay run ahaantii in aan haddanu dhulbahante nahay aanaan la wadaa gin waxba majeerteen waa ayo majeerteen waa hawiyee
wax u dhexeeyaa majiraan waa ayo labaduba afmacaan bay rabaac in ay dadka ugu sheekeeyaan
markaad sii jeen sa tidna waa lagu toogan
wax kastaaba ha ina dhex mareene
hadana issaaq iyo dhulbahante wa ligood caruur iyo dumar iskama layn naagana lama kufsan
hadana waligeenba waa is dilaynay
markaa taasi waxay kuu caday naysaa in aynu ka nadiifsanahay SOUTHERN SOMALI SUCKERS IT MUST BE THE WATER THAT THEY DRINK OR SOME THING.
MARBAA DAGAAL KA DHACAY SOUTH KOO WAA OGNAHAY INTA QOF EE QAXOOTI NOQDAY
XAYA WAAN IBNU XAYAWAAN
WAAR WUXU WAA XAAR.
MARKII HOREBA IN LAGU DARSAMO MA AHAYN.
WAA WILD ANIMALS. |
