     BRIAN PHILIPS | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 09:53 am
I am an American guy looking for answers concerning somali community.I am curious to know how somali DO NOT have stereotyped african features.I am conduscting a reasearch for my Anthropology class and my main theme is uncovering the revolution of somali history and indegenous origin.I have gathered several theories which moderately make sense.Opinions from the somali community would either determine the validity of the theory i have or dismiss it.The theory states that- somali's are a result of offsprings that were made from inter-sexual relations with the arab merchants from COASTAL MIDDLEEAST, EUROPEANS, and indeginous african negroes women.That explains the co-casian physiscal appearences in somali people.Please this is a serious study:if you have nothing concrete and evidential to add move on- by the way..welcome to america..for the somali's living in america. |
| Anonymous | Monday, June 19, 2000 - 12:56 pm
As if you don't know,
The children from Inter-sexual relations with Arab merchants from Middle East and Indegenous African women are called Bajuuns.
And those from European and Indegenous mixture is called Baravans.
So who are you Mr. Brian Philips. Habar faraacinad ah iyo wiil Bantu ah maa iska kaa dhalay, eey madax kurtun ah leh. Research aan doonaa kulahaa, inaa Maryooley tahay cid walbo aa kuu jeeda mana qarsoomeyside naga amus. |
| som | Wednesday, June 21, 2000 - 09:24 am
From Senegal to Australia you have got black people with different features. like the white people diver(compair white men from Eastern Europe to the Swedish. the two groups have common white skin put not the same eyes. or the Spanish and Italians most of them have got dark hair.
so we Somalis and the other ethnic groeps in the Horn of africa diver from the other Africans like the Swedish diver from the Eastern europians.
besides its better to have variaty of peoples than one single race |
| MAD MAC | Wednesday, June 21, 2000 - 09:50 pm
As Anonymous has obviously stated, Brian Phillips is not a native English speaker. He makes mistakes that are not simply typos that no native speaker would make.
That having been said, all people are a mixture. The roots of human history are convoluted. Linguistically the Somalis are related to a number of people who live in the Sahel - all the way to the Berbers of Morocco. Racially, obviously the domoinant peoples of the horn have the same basic make-up. The origins are likely both Semite and bantu, with the semite being the dominant. As Som said diversity is a good thing. Or to quote from a movie "Allah loves wonderous diversity." By the way, the diversity created when God made the Somalis gave us some FINE looking woman. |
| Ahmed | Thursday, June 22, 2000 - 03:23 am
BRIAN PHILIPS, As Mad Mac has explained Somalis are one of the most oldest and purest of the Afro-Asiatic peoples, including Berbers, Most ethiopians, Ancient Egyptians, Libyans, Arabs, Jews.
The old term used for the Asiatic Arabs and Jews were Semites , whilst the old term used for African groups were Hamites. However the term "Hamite" has historically been used in a racist way, insinuating that Hamites were superior to Bantu people, hence the more current use of the Term Afro-Asiatic.
Afro-Asiatic is a lingusitic term coined to illustrate that Semitic languages and Hamitic languages have the same origin.
It is weel documented that Hamitic languages are much older than Semitic languages. Also there are much more Semitic languages in Ethiopia than there is outside Africa, hence the conclusion that the area of great linguistic diversity is the origin of the language.
In short the Arabic languages are a young branch of older Hamitic (Cushitic) languages like somali etc.
The Somalis are one of the most(relatively) homogenous people in the World. I say relatively as there is no such thing as pure, but everything is realtive.
Our Facial features are not due to European,Arabic or other admixtures but are features which we originated. Since we are an older race than the Arabs , how can they be responsible for our features.
If you look at the Punite reliefs of ancient Egypt you will see our features are exactly the same.
American anthropoligists, unfortunately, are one of the most biased and ignorant when disicussing Africans. they see everything as being due to European mixing. This is because in their own country the Black people are , just as in South Africa, classed according to how much white blood they have.
I hope you understand that Somalis and other cushites cannot be compared to your scales sence we are an ancient race.
The topic of Somali origins is highly complex
since we could successfully argue that we are the original Arabs.
If you look at Yemen, Oman, Saudi Arabia(Asir&Tihima) you will see an ancient dark people classed as South Arabians. They liguistically are classed alongside the Semitic languages of Ethiopia and not with classicall Arabic.
The Gara of Oman for instance are always clssed as lookin African. Their Arab geneology, however is second to none. They are from Joktan (Qhatan)which are more Arabic than the claims of the Whabis of Saudi Arabia.
Interestingly enough in the ancient spice trade days in Arabia the only people The Gara of Oman allowed to collect Frankincense was Somalis - Who they classed as Noble Bedawi as noble as any Arab tribe.
The Horn of Africa has an ancient connection with Arabia and share culture, language and genetical features but ultimately are separate and unique.
Just as you woulnt say that the Indians (Dark ones) have the features due to Europeans then dont say that the Somalis have. |
| jamaaal4 | Thursday, June 22, 2000 - 04:16 am
ahmed
the dark people of (assir and tihama)is originated
from ethiopia..actually they are believed to be the remains of the ethiopian invation in yemen back hundreds of years ago.
the other issue u have mentioned that somalis existed before arabs,I think there is no proof confirming that...unfortunately..bad luck |
| MAD MAC | Friday, June 23, 2000 - 01:04 am
Ahmed / Jamaal4
Alas, proving any of this becomes very difficult due to a lack of historical records. Ahmed's theaory is interesting though. What seems to indicate that the Somalis and other (I'll use the term Hashimites here for easy reference point) Hashamites came from a mixture of central / Eastern Africa and Ancient Semites is the fact that they share features of both. But I suppose you could say that Arabs share Hashamite and Caucasian features and hence semites are a result of mixing between Hashamites and Caucasians. Though Caucasians would appear to be the youngest of the races, their evolution generally is agreed within the last 100,000 - 20,000 years as Europe was slowly occupied and the race slowly developed. But I guess it's mostly speculation anyway. And I also think it doesn't really matter. Somalis still have some fine looking woman and that's what counts. |
| KEYNADID | Saturday, July 08, 2000 - 11:33 am
FIRST OF ALL TO PINPOINT EXACTLY THE ORIGIN OF
PEOPLE LIKE THE SOMALI IS VERY DIFFIICULT.THE
SOMALIS TOGETHER WITH THE ETHIOPIANS , NUBIA
AND THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS(PRE ARABIC CONQUEST)
ORIGINATED FROM THE PHARAONIC CIVILIZATION.
WE ARE NOT THE PRODUCT OF THE MIXTURE OF ANY
FOREIGN RACES LIKE ARABS OR THE EUROPEANS.
WE ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE PEOPLE WHO
BUILT THE PYRAMIDS.WE WERE PEOPLE BEFORE THE
ARABS MOVED FROM ARABIA AND LIVED IN PRIMITIVE
PRE ISLAMIC PERIOD.SECONDLY THE EUROPEANS
LIVED IN CAVES.AND HAD NO MEANS TO VENTURE
OUTSIDE SNOW FILLED CAVES. SO AS A SOMALI I
VIGOROUSLY OPPOSE ANY SUGGESTION THAT THE
SOMALIS ARE EVOLVED FROM THE MIXTURE OF
AFRICAN WOMEN AND ARABS OR EUROPEANS.
BIENG ISLAM DOESNT MAKES US ARABS OR HAVING
CAUCASIAN FEATURES DOESN,T MAKES US
EUROPEANS.
. |
| Observer | Saturday, July 08, 2000 - 12:05 pm
mad mac you claim yourself to be a native english speaker yet your english mistakes variably say in contrast,so what do you have to say for that?Point?You cannot tell the nativity of someone simply by the way they write.For instance,we all know foreigners who learn english through schooling speak and write much better that the natives.Native english speakers are taking for granted that english is at their disposal,so they use their slang or simple informal english.So my friend,spare us your expertise in hand writing pathology,it has no basis and forsakes superficial assumptions that will only get people say.."hes crazy'! |
| MAD MAC | Wednesday, July 26, 2000 - 04:54 am
Observer
As soon as I write in this forum people say I'm crazy - no matter what I write. There are mistakes like typos or grammatical errors which happen all the time. But there are some word usage and gramatical errors that are obviously not from a native speaker. You can't always tell the difference but often you can. |
