No Caliphate = No Sharia

[eternauta]

lol eternauta is arabman?
war iska waran ninyahow.lol

Nabad.

arabman , cawar wo ka sa7sanyahay in one thing.
you're mixing between ala7kaam wal 3ebadat.
3ebadat such a salat and soom is personal.
you can aply if even you're the only muslim in the qoom.
balse ala7kam shar3iyah need justice system, al qothaat
mo3ayineen men qebel al7akim.
no one appoint himself as qaathi while most of time you can appoint your self as al7akim.lol
it's reality whatever you agree or not.lol
all you need is millitry supporters and you are set.lol

OK, sheikh hyper. However, I believe salat and soom are fard, not personal.

sharia can be applied men qibal al7akim
whatever call himself khalifa or just presedent or malik,amiir , sheikh, imam.
as prophet said kilokum raa3in wa mas'ol 3an ra3eyatihi
also the leader of the nation is responsible of his ra3eya as a father, mother, teacher or official.

However, Cawar and other moderate Muslims argue you need caliphate in order to apply sharia. They argue, all Muslim countries must be united under a caliphate, and only then can criminals be beheaded, the hands of thieves cut, adulterers stoned, etc. Until then, they argue, only gaalo or secular laws are valid.

[Grant]

There is a concept in Rabbinic Judaism of a "High Priest with a Breastplate". Traditionally this pectoral was set with twelve stones, one for each of the twelve tribes, and signified that he represented all of Israel when he entered the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement.

Since the loss of the ten tribes when the northern kingdom was destroyed no High Priest has worn such a breastplate, and, indeed, since the destruction of the Temple and the establishment of Rabinic Judaism (just in 70 AD), there has been no priest, in the Biblical sense, in Judaism, at all. Rabbis are scholars and teachers. They do not have to be Levites and they are NOT priests. Certain priestly functions have been utterly lost to Judaism.

A similar thing happened when Attaturk abolished the Caliphate. There was no longer a central authority with even nominal contol over the ever-dividing philosophical and practical persuasions. Virtually each nationality and ethnicity now has it's own interpretation of Shareeca, at least some of which can be shown to be culturally derived. With no agreement possible even on basics, I think we really are talking about Humpty-Dumpty here. Some Islamically inspired agreement at the national level on what the laws are is about the best you are going to do.

[FAH1223]

There is a concept in Rabbinic Judaism of a "High Priest with a Breastplate". Traditionally this pectoral was set with twelve stones, one for each of the twelve tribes, and signified that he represented all of Israel when he entered the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement.

Since the loss of the ten tribes when the northern kingdom was destroyed no High Priest has worn such a breastplate, and, indeed, since the destruction of the Temple and the establishment of Rabinic Judaism (just in 70 AD), there has been no priest, in the Biblical sense, in Judaism, at all. Rabbis are scholars and teachers. They do not have to be Levites and they are NOT priests. Certain priestly functions have been utterly lost to Judaism.

A similar thing happened when Attaturk abolished the Caliphate. There was no longer a central authority with even nominal contol over the ever-dividing philosophical and practical persuasions. Virtually each nationality and ethnicity now has it's own interpretation of Shareeca, at least some of which can be shown to be culturally derived. With no agreement possible even on basics, I think we really are talking about Humpty-Dumpty here. Some Islamically inspired agreement at the national level on what the laws are is about the best you are going to do.

See, thats the problem.

I think the best thing to do in the present is to do legislation thru Sharia though. Things that have the ultimate consensus by the global Ulema!

[eternauta]

There is a concept in Rabbinic Judaism of a "High Priest with a Breastplate". Traditionally this pectoral was set with twelve stones, one for each of the twelve tribes, and signified that he represented all of Israel when he entered the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement.

Since the loss of the ten tribes when the northern kingdom was destroyed no High Priest has worn such a breastplate, and, indeed, since the destruction of the Temple and the establishment of Rabinic Judaism (just in 70 AD), there has been no priest, in the Biblical sense, in Judaism, at all. Rabbis are scholars and teachers. They do not have to be Levites and they are NOT priests. Certain priestly functions have been utterly lost to Judaism.

For an atheist, you know a lot about Judaism. You even pass as a Rabbi.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

first question we should be asking ourselfs is what is Caliphate??
did caliphate ever existed before in the history of islam?
if its yes when and where??

Caliphate???? maxaa laga wadaa??
yaa ka jawaabi kara???

[eternauta]

first question we should be asking ourselfs is what is Caliphate??
did caliphate ever existed before in the history of islam?
if its yes when and where??

Caliphate???? maxaa laga wadaa??
yaa ka jawaabi kara???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate

[DR-YALAXOOW]

every country is this world has a SHARIA.you idiots dont even know what means the word(sharia) sharia is arabic word which simply means LAW .

sharia=SHARCIA=AF SOOMALI sharciga.

dhibaatada taagan waxay tahay dunida oo dhan maanta SHARIA waa ay ka jirtaa.
first

sharia=sharciga

sharia=islaamku wuxuu qabaa in qofkii qof xaqdaro ku dilaa la dilo= mareykanka iyo shiinaha islaam aheeyn waa ku dhaqmaan waa dilaan qofkii qof dila THATS SHARIA

kitaabka quraanka meel ay uga qoran tahay ma jirto in dhagax lagu dilo qofkii zineeysta=
thats not sharia just waa fake sharci niman sacuudiyiin ah diinta ku darsadeen.

quraanka kariimka wuxuu qabaa qofkii zineeysta in la karbaasho NOT STONING waa tottaly xaaraam.

sharia= SHARCIGA=SHARCI wax kale maaha.

Caliphate??

caliphate= dawladihii islaamka ee ka danbeeyey rasuulka SCW ka dib dhashey sida CABAASIYIINTA iyo cusmaaniiyiinta ,kuwaasna waxay yimaadeen boqolaal sano ka dib rasuulka SCW geeriyooday. iyadana DIIN maaha in CALIPHATE la sameeyo wa BIDCO, wax gadaal ka yimid.

dawlad waliba islaam ah WAA INAY sameeysataa dawlad u gaar ah,kana shaqeeysa dadka wadankaas u dhasheyd danahooda, NOT CARAB GAR WEEYN LEH FADHIYA SACUUDIGA inuu maamulo from INDONISA TO AFRICA TO BOSNIA hal nin maamulo macquul maaha. mana aha DIIN. waa BIDCO wahaabiyada usama ben laden ay bilaabeeen.

marka BOTH Caliphate AND SHARIA wax cusub maaha dunida oo dhan waa ka jirtaa maantaba.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

[quote="eternauta"][quote="DR-YALAXOOW"]first question we should be asking ourselfs is what is Caliphate??
did caliphate ever existed before in the history of islam?
if its yes when and where??

Caliphate???? maxaa laga wadaa??
yaa ka jawaabi kara???[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate[/quote]


fiiri sxb CALIPHATE maaha wax DIIN AH. kaliya waa wax yimid rasuulka SCW ka dib.
rashiidiyiintii AYAA UGU horeeyey waxay ahaayeen QABIIL

SIDOO kale caliphate CABAASIYIINTII. ha u maleeyn waqtiyadaa ay islaamka maamulayeen CALIPHATE inay wax waliba ahaayeen(fiican) osmaaniyiintiii markii ay maamulayeen islaamka DADKA MADOOW SUUQYADA carabaha ilaa beershiyada ilaa TURKIYA ayaa lagu iibin jirey. suuqyada ayaa si xur ah dadka madoow ADOONSI loogu iibin jirey.

xitaaa madoow islaam ah.(aayada AWMAA.MALAKAT AY MAANUKUM ayaa loo daliishan jirey, inaad suuqa tagto ayaad 4 gabdhood madmadoow soo iibsaneysa ka dibna iska fuul fuuleysaa,
waqtigii CALIPHATE XUMAANTAAS FOOSHA XUN ayaa jiri jirtey.

marka WAHAABIYADA sxb dadka caqliga ayey ka xadaan wax aan DIIN AHEEYN sida SHARIA+CALIPHATE ayey umadda islaamka ku dhameeyeen, dawladihii wadamada islaamkana DACIIF UGA DHIGEEN una jabiyeeen isreal. iyagoo qalalaase ka rida wamada islamka sida ALGEERIA. MASAR. JORDAN si qas looga abuuro.markaad wahaabiyada weydiisidna waxay ku dhahayaan waxaan u dagaalameynaa. CALIPHATE+SHARIA. in la abuuro,
caliphate maaha DIIN. sharia maaha diin. sharia waa sharci. ama LAW wadan walibana dunida LAW waa lee yahay. xukun TALIPHANA oo dadka oo dhan 99% shaqo la,aan ka dhiga. wadanka ay qabsadana dadka ku nool.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

shareeca= is from arabic word sharia
sharia af soomali= SHARCIGA
SHARIA english=LAW


sharia=LAW=traffic ligthe WAA shareeca. RED=STOP GREEN=waad socon kartaa.

[eternauta]

So far, it's 77% vs 22%.

[Grant]

[
For an atheist, you know a lot about Judaism. You even pass as a Rabbi.

I am an honest to goodness graduate of a Mormon seminary. One of my great great grandfathers was Patriarch of the Church. My father and both of my stepfathers were Mormon bishops. My first stepfather served as church emissary to the Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem in the matter of inscriptions found in a cave near the well of Lehi.

I have always had an interest in all branches of the Faith of Ibrahiim.

I am not an atheist. You know this.

And your digs are getting sillier by the post.