Ancient Somali history

[ciyaal_warta]

james thnx i learned somethin from da history man

[James Dahl]

james dahl wht do u know about the yacub sultane and the mogadishu kingdom?
thanks

I am afraid I have not heard of the Yacub sultanate, perhaps I know it under a different name?

The Mogadishu kingdom, and the whole east coast actually, has a rather different history. In ancient times the east coast was, like the coast further south, inhabited by the ancestors of the Swahili. However the traditional Bantu agricultural lifestyle is marginal in much of Somalia and the population was very low and centered in the far south. The surviving descendants of these people are the Bajuni.

The Bazrangid Empire of Persia changed this in around 50 BCE when the Bazrangid established the town of Xamar Weyne and Xamar Jijab, which at the time was a Iranian/Bantu settlement like the others further south.

Himyar, after it regained independence from Kush, established another town in Benadir called Shingani after its founder, Shingan Ben Hami Ben Ma'di-Karib, around 650 CE.

After the arrival of the Sabe and Somali around 950 CE, things changed rapidly. The Hawiye founded Marka as their new capital, and Sayid Barkash of Oman founded Barawe with the Tunni in 962 CE. Xamar Weyne and Xamar Jijab became Muslim towns, and Xamar Jijab was abandoned as it was not secure enough from Somali raids.

Xamar Weyne and Shingani became heavily fortified Arab/Persian market towns, and dominated trade with the interior. Eventually they were unified in around 1200 CE under Fakr ad-Din as the Sultanate of Mogadishu.

About 200 years later the Ajuran managed to depose the descendants of Fakr ad-Din and prop up one of their relatives, Muzaffar, essentially making the Ajuran masters of Mogadishu.

Then the Portuguese arrived. The Portuguese conquered Brava and attacked Mogadishu, though they lacked the power to defeat the Ajuran and Muzaffar. Though this period of history is hazy, Portugal attacked Mogadishu many, many times, and the Ajuran Empire fought the Portuguese for 200 years. In the mid 1600s the Ajuran suffered a massive rebellion and were utterly defeated by the Hiraab and Geledi.

The Muzaffar were defeated in Mogadishu and for the first time the Somali ruled Mogadishu, specifically the Hiraab. When Muscat and the Ottoman Empire finally broke the power of Portugal in East Africa in 1750 CE, Mogadishu and the whole east coast became loose vassals of Muscat.

Also can you prove that Ahmed Gurey was Somali?


Thanks again.

He wasn't paternally Somali, as his family was of Arabian descent. I've heard that his widow married a Marehan, which is perhaps where the Somali connection comes from.

[Mzbeautifull]

James .. so tell me a bit about my history then .. what do you know about
isaaq ?

[James Dahl]

Isaaq arrived in the late 1300s from Yemen, though his family is from Iraq originally. His oldest sons stayed in Yemen with his first wife. Isaaq married a girl of the Madaweyn as well as an "Abyssinian" woman (This may just mean a Christian though, not necessarily a Habash) in Africa and died in Sanaag.

[Mzbeautifull]

ok kwl

[WasteMan]

Mzbeautifull your a hairy arab girl

[Cisse Westlake]

james dhal is our new sir richard burton 8)

[Mzbeautifull]

Wasteman ..

Im not a Arab ..

call me a arab one more time and i will kill you ninyo

[James Dahl]

Isaaq was an Arab, but his descendants have been intermarrying with Cushites for 700 years, and are as Somali as anyone else by now.

[Cisse Westlake]

Isaaq was an Arab, but his descendants have been intermarrying with Cushites for 700 years, and are as Somali as anyone else by now.

masallah

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

alwaaxan la yiraahdo james dahl quraafaad ayuu wadaa yuusan meel cidlaha idiin dirin ,carab waxaan shuqul inoo gali ayuu wadaa..

[James Dahl]

Diyeeshaha_Tolka:
My apologies, my Somali is not good, I cannot understand what it is you write.

[CUSHITE KINGDOM]

james dahl

are you saying that ajuraans are not somalis cause you said "muzaffar was defeated and for the first time somalis ruled mogadishu".


and about the war my dad told that it took not just the hiraab but all of hawiye clans except silcis.

[James Dahl]

Detailed Bibliography, as promised.

The Invention of Somalia, edited by Ali Jimale Ahmed
http://books.google.ca/books?id=XpdAzRY ... frontcover

Documentation for Ancient Arabia, by K.A. Kitchen
http://books.google.ca/books?id=k_w_UPa ... frontcover

Nubian Pharaohs and Meroitic Kings, by Necia Desiree Harkless
http://books.google.ca/books?id=6PrmTAK ... frontcover

Trade and Empire in Muscat and Zanzibar, by M. Reda Bhacker
http://books.google.ca/books?id=QxtpQSa ... frontcover

I won't post any Ethiopianist books, as they all accept the 13th century chronicles of Axum, the Zagwe, the Oromo and Muslims as fact, while those chronicles are in actual fact partisan and politically motivated. The events are there but the interpretation is bent and forced to fit the 13th century invented reality.

Here is a fairly standard version of the Great Lie, in its original form
http://books.google.ca/books?id=XxUUAAA ... =titlepage

[James Dahl]

james dahl

are you saying that ajuraans are not somalis cause you said "muzaffar was defeated and for the first time somalis ruled mogadishu".


and about the war my dad told that it took not just the hiraab but all of hawiye clans except silcis.

Ajuran history is mysterious. The Meqare Samaale and Jambeele Hawiye both claim Ajuran to be one of their subclans, but the Ajuran abtirsi I have seen do not tend to agree with either of these conclusions and I believe the standard practice of Hawiye allowing lineages to trace from the mother's line is at work here.

Which leaves the question still there, who are the Ajuran? Are they Arabs? Royal Axumites of the Makhzumi monarchy? Someone else entirely? I just don't know.