American Salafi & Salafi_Student:

[Kolombo]

You both claim non-Madkhali/non-Salafi Jadiid Muslims are ahlul hizb & ahlul bid'ah, while you're not a hizb. You also claim that your "Manhaj" is the closest one when it comes to following/emulating the Salafi Salihun.

Here is what Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen (raheemullah) said about your sect:

It can be learnt that if parties (ahzaab) within the ummah emerge in increasing numbers then one should not affiliate himself to a party (hizb). In the past, many groups have appeared; Khwaarij, Mu'tazilah, Jahmiyyah, Shee'ah, even Raafidah. Then there appeared, later on Ikhwanis, Salafis, Tablighis, and all those like them. Put all of them to one side and take [the path] ahead. Which is what the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallaam guided to, "Adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs."

No doubt, it is obligatory for all Muslims to adopt the way of the salaf as their madhhab, not affiliation to a specific party (hizb) named, "The Salafis". It is obligatory for the Islamic Ummah to adopt the way of the salaf as-salih as their madhhab, not bigotry to those called "the salafis". Pay attention to the difference: There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called "the salafis".

Source: http://salafiyyah-jadeedah.tripod.com/I ... alafis.htm

Explain how you're not ahlul hizb when Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen has called your sect a hizb?

[American Salafi]

Kolombo

I love how you try your best to find something to discredit the people of the sunnah. I believe your well acquainted with the salafi minhaj. When in the world do we call people to Hizbiyyah? Why do you think the ulaama have refuted Jamaatul tablligh, Ikhwaanul-Muslimeen, Hizbut-Tahriir, etc? Because they call the muslims to Hizbiyyah and innovation. Following the way of the salaf is not Hizbiyyah. We don't call the people to enter into groups and parties, we are known by the people as you might know, to be harsh against these hizbis because of them dividing the muslims into groups. We call the people to the sunnah and following the methodology of salaf. We don't call people to a Hizb called "salafi". For example, a tablighi will tell to join his group. An itixaadi will tell you to join there group but the people of the sunnah warn people against joining into Groups and dividing the muslims. So don't try to twist the shaikhs words out of context to mislead people. Also for the term salafiyyah. this is an description for the people of the sunnah. If one calls himself sunni, is he calling to hizbiyyah. No.

Also Shaikh Uthymeen has used the word Salafi numerous times as the correct path to follow. Also there is not problem for a person of the sunnah to call to this methodology but rather its obligatory for a muslim to follow and also the call to this path.

Here Shaikh Salaah fawzaan talking about this same subject.

[American Salafi]

[quote="Kolombo"]You both claim non-Madkhali/non-Salafi Jadiid Muslims are ahlul hizb & ahlul bid'ah, while you're not a hizb. You also claim that your "Manhaj" is the closest one when it comes to following/emulating the Salafi Salihun.

Here is what Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen (raheemullah) said about your sect:

[quote]It can be learnt that if parties (ahzaab) within the ummah emerge in increasing numbers then one should not affiliate himself to a party (hizb). In the past, many groups have appeared; Khwaarij, Mu'tazilah, Jahmiyyah, Shee'ah, even Raafidah. Then there appeared, later on Ikhwanis, Salafis, Tablighis, and all those like them. Put all of them to one side and take [the path] ahead. Which is what the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallaam guided to, "Adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided caliphs."

No doubt, it is obligatory for all Muslims to adopt the way of the salaf as their madhhab, not affiliation to a specific party (hizb) named, "The Salafis". [b]It is obligatory for the Islamic Ummah to adopt the way of the salaf as-salih as their madhhab, not bigotry to those called "the salafis"[/b]. Pay attention to the difference: There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called "the salafis".[/quote]

Source: http://salafiyyah-jadeedah.tripod.com/I ... alafis.htm

Explain how you're not ahlul hizb when Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen has called your sect a hizb?[/quote]


If Shaikh Uthymeen called us a hizb, then why would he give the salafi brothers a telelink.

[American Salafi]

I hope you know the site you posted are known takfiris. Subhanallah.

[Kolombo]

AS,

Telelinks or not, Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen has called your sect a hizb:

It is obligatory for the Islamic Ummah to adopt the way of the salaf as-salih as their madhhab, not bigotry to those called "the salafis". Pay attention to the difference: There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called "the salafis".

If you call yourself by anything besides a Muslim, you automatically become a member of hizb or group. You call yourself a Salafi, you're therefore a hizbi. You will fight this and claim you're exempted from this rule of thumb by saying it is only permited if the person has a Tazkiyah from deviated scholars like Rabee' or 'Ubaid.

[American Salafi]

^^^^

So you didn't respond to anything I posted. So now anybody that describes him or herself as salafi is a Hizbi. Well then the majority of Ahlu Sunnah are Hizbis because All the scholars from Shaikh Ibn Taymiyyah, Shaikh Ibn Baaz, Shaikh Albaani, Shaikh Muqbil, Shaikh Uthaymeen have all used the term salafi to describe themselves. So its your useless word versus the Ulamaa of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jammah. Jaahil!!!!

[Kolombo]

How many scholars has your "Salafi" sect called insulting names?

-Dirty groundhog (in reference to Shaykh Hamood ash-Shu'aybee).

-Qutubee dog (in reference to Sas-Jamal from CG).

-Rabid dogs (in reference to anyone labelled with any of the above defined terms).

-The dog (in reference to al-Imaam Ibn Laadin).

-Perennial defender of Innovators and betrayer of the Salafee Aqeedah (in reference to Ibn Jibreen).

-Howling dog (in reference to Sh. Qardawi).

What does the religion say about insulting Muslims?

"O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another"[al-Hujuraat 49:12]

It was narrated from Abd-Allaah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas that a man asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which of the Muslims was best? He said, "The one from whose words and actions the Muslims are safe." (Narrated by al-Bukhaari 10; Muslim, 40).

Your sect members are ignorant deviants who not only insult the 'Uluma, but fabricate lies about them as was the case with Sh. Umal, whose lectures your group edited & had Yahya Hajjoori listen to, who then called Umal "An ignorant innovator."

[American Salafi]

Let me ask you a question. Why do you keep changing subjects? You started a topic and now your running around like a dog. Stay on topic. First you tried to twist the words of our great scholar Shaikh Uthymeen and then you post a hilarious statement saying anyone that uses the term salafi is a hizbi. Now your talking about nonsense. I don't want to play a game of musical chairs.

[Kolombo]

^^^^

So you didn't respond to anything I posted. So now anybody that describes him or herself as salafi is a Hizbi. Well then the majority of Ahlu Sunnah are Hizbis because All the scholars from Shaikh Ibn Taymiyyah, Shaikh Ibn Baaz, Shaikh Albaani, Shaikh Muqbil, Shaikh Uthaymeen have all used the term salafi to describe themselves. So its your useless word versus the Ulamaa of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jammah. Jaahil!!!!

This is evidence that you're a hizb member:

There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called "the salafis".

-Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen.

[American Salafi]

Thank you.

First of all, if you read my early post I clarified this issue. You didn't respond to it. Your basically repeating yourself. the question is, is it impremissible to use the term salafi to describe one's Minhaj. As I posted early, Shaikh Uthymeen is a salafi scholar. Here in this video the Imaam was asked whether the saudi king is salafi or not. Here is his reply.



Here is a video of the shaikh talking about Hizbiyyah.



So if you have any scholars against using the term salafi to describe one's minhaj, inshallah post it.

[Kolombo]

AS,

When does someone become a hizbi? When he calls himself by something other than Muslim. Following the way of the Salaf is an obligation upon all Muslims, but calling yourselves "Salafis" grouping & recruiting as you do, abandoning existing Masjids and opening your own, insulting all scholars except for your own, etc. you become hizb. Tell me how you're different from Al-Itixaad?

[American Salafi]

Kolombo

Your starting to dance again. you made a serious claim based on your opinion that needs to be refuted before we can move on. You still didn't answer my question, bring me any scholar that supports your position that calling oneself salafi is not allowed and thus becoming a hizbi.

Here is shaikh Albaani talking about calling oneself salafi.

http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/s ... 7&pfriend=

I also showed you Shaikh Fawzaan talking about the issue. So please respond.

[Kolombo]

AS,

I gave you Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen's fatwa regarding if calling yourself a "Salafi" means being hizbi:

It is obligatory for the Islamic Ummah to adopt the way of the salaf as-salih as their madhhab, not bigotry to those called "the salafis". Pay attention to the difference: There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called "the salafis".

Right there. Are you blind? Read it again.

[American Salafi]

AS,

When does someone become a hizbi? When he calls himself by something other than Muslim. Following the way of the Salaf is an obligation upon all Muslims, but calling yourselves "Salafis" grouping & recruiting as you do, abandoning existing Masjids and opening your own, insulting all scholars except for your own, etc. you become hizb. Tell me how you're different from Al-Itixaad?

So someone becomes a hizbi by calling himself something other than muslim. So let me ask you a question. Are you sunni or shia? I rest my case.

[American Salafi]

AS,

I gave you Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen's fatwa regarding if calling yourself a "Salafi" means being hizbi:

It is obligatory for the Islamic Ummah to adopt the way of the salaf as-salih as their madhhab, not bigotry to those called "the salafis". Pay attention to the difference: There is the way of the salaf, and there is a party (hizb) called "the salafis".

Right there. Are you blind? Read it again.

I already talked about this. You want me to re-post my early post? Also I showed you the video in which Shaikh Uthymeen was ask if the Saudi King is salafi or not. Why would the Imaam support the king and call him salafi if he was against using the term salafi. Also i will post another video of the shaikh speaking about the salafi aqeedah. Inshallah wait.