attacking the political organization HAMAS. you see, this is exactly what i'm talking about when i say that you are as desperate as Ayman al-Zawahiri himself. you're telling lies and twisting words. anyway, Obama never said such thing, you need to post your sources. seems like YOU'RE the one who bought into this propaganda machine.isreal has every right to attack gaza and that if he was a isreali he himself would attack gaza? and jerusalem to be made the capital of isreal?
Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
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Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
hamas is the democratically elected goverment by the people of gaza. if you attack a goverment then you attack the poeple that elected it. obama called hamas a hate group and a terrorist group.The-Screw wrote:attacking the political organization HAMAS. you see, this is exactly what i'm talking about when i say that you are as desperate as Ayman al-Zawahiri himself. you're telling lies and twisting words. anyway, Obama never said such thing, you need to post your sources. seems like YOU'RE the one who bought into this propaganda machine.isreal has every right to attack gaza and that if he was a isreali he himself would attack gaza? and jerusalem to be made the capital of isreal?
hamas was elected on office by the people.
keep making obama your messiah. if bush was black you would support him 100 percent
Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
Screw is pointless arguing with arab man wallahi, this nigga was hating on Obama before he was even a democrat nominee. He was not even in office when people started accusing him of being a liar and hypocrite and these alqaida idiots probably have personal agendas.
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Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
your arguments are baseless my friend, Hamas is no different then Al Qaeda. the PEOPLE of Gaza have no government, they're just like you and me. all they have is a focked up country and a group of idiots trying to brainwash people in the name of ALLAH only to advance their own motives.
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Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
even the UN said hamas is a democratically elected goverment. you should stop watching fox news. and hamas has nothing to do with al qeada.
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Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
go back to your cave.
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Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
lol that is what bush would say.
i think you are brainwashed. look i dont support al qeada or obama i keep an open mind, but your unconditional support for obama is sickening.
i think you are brainwashed. look i dont support al qeada or obama i keep an open mind, but your unconditional support for obama is sickening.
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Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
Bismillah,
The general level of knowledge of the average Muslim about the concept of Al Wala Wal Bara or love and hate for the sake of Allah is disappointing. This is something that westerners, admirably and in their own way, understand well because they are not a defeated and oppressed nation. Many staunch liberal critics of Bush rallied around him when he was the target of Iraqi shoes because they have honour and recognised that it was an attack on what he represented and therefore an attack on themselves. The fiercest critic of Bush would not ally himself with the perceived enemies of America. Yet Muslims are content to be leaderless as if they have no collective interests, or worse as is evident here place trust and hope in non-Muslim leaders actively at war with Muslims or Terror or Whatever to forward their interests. For a correctly thinking Muslim it is this that is sickening and not any alleged racism. But of course for many Somali people the sin of (Arab) racism is an all- abounding evil, akin to shirk and far removed from supposedly fun ‘no-victim’ sins such as zina which are regularly excused or celebrated. This is nothing but ignorance and I pray Allah cures all those suffering from it.
Al-Qaida and other jihaadi apologists arguments are framed within Islamic discourse. Because many of us lack access to this discourse through the works of Muslim jurists or any sound knowledge of/ constructive engagement with the Seerah of our Prophet ( peace be upon him), it is easier to reach for western ones ‘backward ideology’ ‘ caves’ etc. An Islamic argument over Al- Qaida’s strategies, its relevance and the permissibility of Al-Qaida practices such as the controversial practice of targeting the civilians of enemies that target your own civilians are plentiful and new ones are always welcome. Islamic law has a strong and long tradition of pluralism. What is rather less welcome, is belittling, disparaging, humiliating or insulting Muslims for the sake of non-Muslims. While it is true that a Muslim is always on the side of justice (it remains to be seen that an injustice has actually occurred here) the default position is in fact to faintly humiliate and disparage non-Muslims in order to remind them of the superiority of Islam. Of course this sits ill with liberal thought so I do not expect that from many members of this forum, especially the fancier ones, but might it not be an idea to at least abstain from doing it to fellow Muslims? And for God’s sake if you are going to do it, do it for your own sake not for failing to maintain western standards of etiquette, engaging in unauthorised jihads or slurring new and improved leaders of the free world.
Lastly, the likening of Al-Qaida to Hamas is naive and betrays a lack of understanding of contemporary Islamist movements. The lumping of them together seems driven by a desire to extricate Obama from the fact that despite his admirable and accomplished rhetoric, he ‘on the wrong side of history’ on this issue. No ideology (backward or otherwise) is needed to know who is wrong and who is right in the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis. As Franz Fanon once said ‘We took one look at the white man in Africa and knew he was the enemy’. All the Israeli- Palestinian issue needs is one look. It is Israelis and their supporters such as Obama who are indeed in need ideology, although of course not a backward one, in order to justify their position.
Fi amani Allah.
The general level of knowledge of the average Muslim about the concept of Al Wala Wal Bara or love and hate for the sake of Allah is disappointing. This is something that westerners, admirably and in their own way, understand well because they are not a defeated and oppressed nation. Many staunch liberal critics of Bush rallied around him when he was the target of Iraqi shoes because they have honour and recognised that it was an attack on what he represented and therefore an attack on themselves. The fiercest critic of Bush would not ally himself with the perceived enemies of America. Yet Muslims are content to be leaderless as if they have no collective interests, or worse as is evident here place trust and hope in non-Muslim leaders actively at war with Muslims or Terror or Whatever to forward their interests. For a correctly thinking Muslim it is this that is sickening and not any alleged racism. But of course for many Somali people the sin of (Arab) racism is an all- abounding evil, akin to shirk and far removed from supposedly fun ‘no-victim’ sins such as zina which are regularly excused or celebrated. This is nothing but ignorance and I pray Allah cures all those suffering from it.
Al-Qaida and other jihaadi apologists arguments are framed within Islamic discourse. Because many of us lack access to this discourse through the works of Muslim jurists or any sound knowledge of/ constructive engagement with the Seerah of our Prophet ( peace be upon him), it is easier to reach for western ones ‘backward ideology’ ‘ caves’ etc. An Islamic argument over Al- Qaida’s strategies, its relevance and the permissibility of Al-Qaida practices such as the controversial practice of targeting the civilians of enemies that target your own civilians are plentiful and new ones are always welcome. Islamic law has a strong and long tradition of pluralism. What is rather less welcome, is belittling, disparaging, humiliating or insulting Muslims for the sake of non-Muslims. While it is true that a Muslim is always on the side of justice (it remains to be seen that an injustice has actually occurred here) the default position is in fact to faintly humiliate and disparage non-Muslims in order to remind them of the superiority of Islam. Of course this sits ill with liberal thought so I do not expect that from many members of this forum, especially the fancier ones, but might it not be an idea to at least abstain from doing it to fellow Muslims? And for God’s sake if you are going to do it, do it for your own sake not for failing to maintain western standards of etiquette, engaging in unauthorised jihads or slurring new and improved leaders of the free world.
Lastly, the likening of Al-Qaida to Hamas is naive and betrays a lack of understanding of contemporary Islamist movements. The lumping of them together seems driven by a desire to extricate Obama from the fact that despite his admirable and accomplished rhetoric, he ‘on the wrong side of history’ on this issue. No ideology (backward or otherwise) is needed to know who is wrong and who is right in the conflict between Palestinians and Israelis. As Franz Fanon once said ‘We took one look at the white man in Africa and knew he was the enemy’. All the Israeli- Palestinian issue needs is one look. It is Israelis and their supporters such as Obama who are indeed in need ideology, although of course not a backward one, in order to justify their position.
Fi amani Allah.
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Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
F.uck Al qaeda the i.diots who gave Muslims everywhere a bad name!
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Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
Bismillah
I was hoping to continue this discussion at a slightly more sophisticated register than that of the above post but as Israel is learning right now we cannot chose our interlocutors. Giving Muslims a bad name is a public interest argument. I am guessing you mean they give Muslims a bad name by their jihaadi action. It is a reasonable to say that jihad should be submitted to questions of public interest. However of course there is strong evidence( that they themselves present) to suggest that jihad, as an act of worship does not need to be submitted to a public interest test at all. And of course, whether that public interest should include both this world and the next. Lastly, it is not clear that Muslims would otherwise have a good name with non-Muslims. Western arguments over the position of women in Islam, attest to that. And there are very few voices arguing that Muslim women should, say, expose their breasts in order to improve the image of Islam in the west.
Fi amani lah
I was hoping to continue this discussion at a slightly more sophisticated register than that of the above post but as Israel is learning right now we cannot chose our interlocutors. Giving Muslims a bad name is a public interest argument. I am guessing you mean they give Muslims a bad name by their jihaadi action. It is a reasonable to say that jihad should be submitted to questions of public interest. However of course there is strong evidence( that they themselves present) to suggest that jihad, as an act of worship does not need to be submitted to a public interest test at all. And of course, whether that public interest should include both this world and the next. Lastly, it is not clear that Muslims would otherwise have a good name with non-Muslims. Western arguments over the position of women in Islam, attest to that. And there are very few voices arguing that Muslim women should, say, expose their breasts in order to improve the image of Islam in the west.
Fi amani lah
Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
Alaa maxaa Maraaykaan la is Modaay!!

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Re: Is Al-Qaeda getting desperate?
alqaeda is a manufactured enemy created by the CIA
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