Which countries are headed down Somalia's path?

[Buhodle-Gurl]

Pakistan? Are u srious?

[samadoon-waaxid]

soomaalido waa an example to currption, we have added some new terms into the political scince dictionary.
I think its definatly pakistan thats goin down the drain this time. " pakistan became the Somalia of south east asia" as a US senator said in a report the other day.

[Twisted_Logic]

Pakistan and Somalia showed me why dictatorships are needed.

Along with the Palestinian territories where a "democratic" election picked Hamas, you will never heard democracy with regards to Muslim countries from the West again.

I mean how do you throw grenades, bombs, etc at another country's sports teams? How could civilians even have that? Pakistan has couple more months if a year.

Even when the military was in charge, Pakistan enjoyed more rights and freedom than during its flirtations with democracy. You have to remember, it was Musharraf that introduced the whole concept of free media in Pakistan. When the democracy guys were in charge, news reporters were regularly jailed, anti-government judges jailed and beat up, and only government controlled televisions were allowed to function. Musharraf's legacy was the introduction of vibrant free media in Pakistan.

You also have to be careful with your definition of dictator. Musharraf was the chief executive of the administration that was in place. The military ruled the country. Musharraf was only one of the 11 corps commanders that form the ruling grouping, but he was also the highest ranking military official in Pakistan. He could be out-voted any-time.

Musharraf is rated as the best leader of Pakistan after Jinnah. That says a great deal.

[Suqatra]

Guinea-Bissau

[Twisted_Logic]

I've heard about the Mexico stuff. Imagine all of those refugees heading North if the government collapsed there.

I think Pakistan is headed down Somalia's path just as much so, their civilian government is really weak.

Twisted Logic will come in here and defend the curryheads though and school us all.

If you step beyond the obvious and the usual anti-Pakistan venom, then you discover that Pakistan isn't so bad after-all. Of course, you have your crazy mullahs who think different and tot their AKs in the air, but majority of the country is against these groups. Pakistan is not divided into an ethnic lines, and the military is a respected/sacred institution in the country. It is also the true rulers of the country. Even, during civilian rule, the military controls all the strategic assets including the nukes, missiles and the ISI. There was this famous incident in 96 when B Bhutto requested to tour the Nuclear Labs and was denied by the military. In 2002, king Abdullah of S Arabia was given unrestricted access to the Kahuta Research Laboratories.

Pakistan has a great economy, a vibrant work-force, a powerful military and an intelligence service that knows the real threats of Pakistan. So long the military and the ISI are there, Pakistan is in safe hands. That's why enemies of Pakistan are always defaming those two institutions. They have been predicting Pakistan’s demise since 1947.

[samadoon-waaxid]

Pakistan and Somalia showed me why dictatorships are needed.

Along with the Palestinian territories where a "democratic" election picked Hamas, you will never heard democracy with regards to Muslim countries from the West again.

I mean how do you throw grenades, bombs, etc at another country's sports teams? How could civilians even have that? Pakistan has couple more months if a year.

Even when the military was in charge, Pakistan enjoyed more rights and freedom than during its flirtations with democracy. You have to remember, it was Musharraf that introduced the whole concept of free media in Pakistan. When the democracy guys were in charge, news reporters were regularly jailed, anti-government judges jailed and beat up, and only government controlled televisions were allowed to function. Musharraf's legacy was the introduction of vibrant free media in Pakistan.

You also have to be careful with your definition of dictator. Musharraf was the chief executive of the administration that was in place. The military ruled the country. Musharraf was only one of the 11 corps commanders that form the ruling grouping, but he was also the highest ranking military official in Pakistan. He could be out-voted any-time.

Musharraf is rated as the best leader of Pakistan after Jinnah. That says a great deal.

anytime a coutry is ruled through a committe, or a single party it is a dictatorship. and the fact that he wouldnt be outvoted by his own 11 member committee is because they are hand picked. however, I believe that musharaaf was a man of integriry and he put his country before his kursi for two things.
1)he refused to monopolize the army and make them his kursi guards, but rather gave them their natural role of protector of the country and an institution that didnt interfere in the politics ( to certain degree)
2) he didnt keep both the president title and commander of army, and him stepping down for his assitant to become the new army commander was a milestone step and something no dictator in africa, or asia would do because it was more like disarming him self.
but to call things what it is, he was a dictator afterall

[Twisted_Logic]

Pakistan and Somalia showed me why dictatorships are needed.

Along with the Palestinian territories where a "democratic" election picked Hamas, you will never heard democracy with regards to Muslim countries from the West again.

I mean how do you throw grenades, bombs, etc at another country's sports teams? How could civilians even have that? Pakistan has couple more months if a year.

Even when the military was in charge, Pakistan enjoyed more rights and freedom than during its flirtations with democracy. You have to remember, it was Musharraf that introduced the whole concept of free media in Pakistan. When the democracy guys were in charge, news reporters were regularly jailed, anti-government judges jailed and beat up, and only government controlled televisions were allowed to function. Musharraf's legacy was the introduction of vibrant free media in Pakistan.

You also have to be careful with your definition of dictator. Musharraf was the chief executive of the administration that was in place. The military ruled the country. Musharraf was only one of the 11 corps commanders that form the ruling grouping, but he was also the highest ranking military official in Pakistan. He could be out-voted any-time.

Musharraf is rated as the best leader of Pakistan after Jinnah. That says a great deal.

anytime a coutry is ruled through a committe, or a single party it is a dictatorship. and the fact that he wouldnt be outvoted by his own 11 member committee is because they are hand picked. however, I believe that musharaaf was a man of integriry and he put his country before his kursi for two things.
1)he refused to monopolize the army and make them his kursi guards, but rather gave them their natural role of protector of the country and an institution that didnt interfere in the politics ( to certain degree)
2) he didnt keep both the president title and commander of army, and him stepping down for his assitant to become the new army commander was a milestone step and something no dictator in africa, or asia would do because it was more like disarming him self.
but to call things what it is, he was a dictator afterall

Musharraf was told to step down by the military.

[Yacniile]

I've heard about the Mexico stuff. Imagine all of those refugees heading North if the government collapsed there.

I think Pakistan is headed down Somalia's path just as much so, their civilian government is really weak.

Twisted Logic will come in here and defend the curryheads though and school us all.

The US state department and the Pentagon have some contingecy plan in place in the event Mexico becomes a failed state. Before such scenario transpires though, America is already involved in helping Mexico avoid such catastrophic failure. The co-operation between the two states went up and now criminal systems are shared to some extent. America also helps track down known criminals behind the scenes. America can not afford to have a failed state next door. It will be full invasion with the help of Mexican citizens if conditions on the ground become dire and the Mexican government all but gives up the fight. The druglords are brutal and savages. They terrorize everyone. It is not far off when Average Mexicans will join their Military for their own protection. Mexicans can not afford to be another Colombia.