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Re: Shia/Sunni

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HutuKing01 wrote: There are evidences in quran and ahaadith telling that wives are part of ahlebeyt. Brother dont force me to humiliate you on this issue.
It is not humiliation if you brought forth something that supports your claim. I do not think any of us here are scholars of Islam.


But I hope you guys are mature enough to avoid cursing each other and the person who knows is weak and can't hold his anger, kindly do not post here, thanks.
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Navy9 wrote:
HutuKing01 wrote: There are evidences in quran and ahaadith telling that wives are part of ahlebeyt. Brother dont force me to humiliate you on this issue.
It is not humiliation if you brought forth something that supports your claim. I do not think any of us here are scholars of Islam.


But I hope you guys are mature enough to avoid cursing each other and the person who knows is weak and can't hold his anger, kindly do not post here, thanks.

The proofs in quran al karim and hadiths are too heavy to deny,only a disbelieving rawafid and other kuffars dares to deny it. :down:

If this shia dude could only bring evidences it would have been better for him instead of telling lie about Allah and his messenger regarding ahlebeyt.
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Re: Shia/Sunni

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and now you don't like the hadith of Aicha RA herself??
what koran proof??
i am interested!!
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Here comes trouble!
Prophet’s Wives are Ahlel Bayt


The term “Medinatul-Nabi” translates to “the City of the Prophet.” This was eventually shortened to “Medinah” which although it translates technically to simply “city,” it is referring to the City of the Prophet (i.e. formerly Yathrib, and now the second most holy city of the Muslims).

The term “Ahle Bayt Muhammad” translates to “People of the House of Muhammad.” This phrase was also shortened to simply “Ahlel Bayt” but it is implicit that this refers to the House of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) and nobody else. It translates to “people of the house” with emphasis on “the” to denote the respect given to the Prophetic household.

Both the Ahlus Sunnah and the Shia believe it is important to love the Ahlel Bayt. Now, the question is: who are the Ahle Bayt Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم)? The answer to this question is quite simply that first and foremost the Prophet’s wives are Ahlel Bayt. The Prophet’s wives have the most right to be referred to as Ahlel Bayt, over and above all other individuals.

Dictionary Definition of “Ahlel Bayt”

Let us first define the words “Ahlel Bayt.” To establish absolute objectivity, we will not define it ourselves, but rather we will quote straight from the most popular Shia website, Al-Islam.org (emphasis is ours):

Al-Islam.org says
“The term “ahl” signifies the members of a household of a man, including his fellow tribesmen, kin, relatives, wife (or wives), children, and all those who share a family background, religion, housing, city, and country with him…“Bayt” refers to habitation and dwelling, including tents and buildings both. The “ahl-al-bayt” of any person refers to his family members and all those who live in his house.

source: http://al-islam.org/mot/default.asp?url=14ahlbayt.htm
We encourage our readers to verify this defintion by picking up any Arabic dictionary. There are three words to look up: Ahl, Bayt, and Ahl-Al-Bayt. Let us reproduce what one such Arabic dictionary has to say, although the results will no doubt be virtually identical in any other dictionary.

Ahl: noun; relatives including wives, children, brothers, sisters, and other kinsmen, and sometimes used to refer to fellow tribesmen

Bayt: noun; house; place of residence

Ahl-Al-Bayt: noun; those people in relation to a man who live in his house, especially his wives and unmarried children that live under his roof and are provided for by him

In fact, the primary definition of Ahl Bayt is a man’s wives; in Arab culture, it is considered rude to call a man’s wives by their actual names, and hence people will refer to a man’s wives simply as his “Ahl Bayt”.

The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah

The Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama’ah thus take the wives of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) to be the Ahlel Bayt. This is in accordance with the dictionary definition of the word as shown above. The Prophet’s wives are part of the Prophet’s Ahl, and they live in his Bayt. Therefore, Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) and Hafsa (رضّى الله عنها) are included in the Ahlel Bayt.

The Shia

The Shia Ayatollahs do not have a positive viewpoint of the Prophet’s wives. In fact, the Shia Ayatollahs possess “baraa” (hatred) for Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) and Hafsa (رضّى الله عنها), and we shall examine this in later articles. It is because of this reason that the Shia Ayatollahs deny that the Prophet’s wives are Ahlel Bayt. In fact, many of our Shia brothers who do not speak Arabic are even unaware of the actual definition and usage of the term “Ahlel Bayt” since they simply listen to their Ayatollahs.

The Shia Ayatollahs say that only four people are part of the Ahle Bayt Muhammad, namely Ali (رضّى الله عنه), Fatima (رضّى الله عنها), Hasan (رضّى الله عنه), and Hussain (رضّى الله عنه). We would like to question the basis upon which they make this claim. This is not the Ahlel Bayt of Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم), but rather this is the Ahlel Bayt of Ali (رضّى الله عنه). These were the four individuals who lived under the roof of Ali (رضّى الله عنه), not the roof of Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). It is agreed upon by both the Ahlus Sunnah and the Shia that Ali (رضّى الله عنه) did not live in the Bayt of Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) but rather had his own place of residence, in which Fatima (رضّى الله عنها), Hasan (رضّى الله عنه), and Hussain (رضّى الله عنه) also lived.

The Shia also include their Infallible Imams in the Ahlel Bayt. We wonder on what basis they do this as well, since none of these individuals (other than Ali [رضّى الله عنه], Hasan [رضّى الله عنه], and Hussain [رضّى الله عنه]) lived in the time of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم), let alone in the Bayt of Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم).

Common Usage of the Term “Ahl-Al-Bayt”

The Quran is an Arabic book that has been revealed to people whose language was Arabic. We will misinterpret the Quran if we attempt to understand its words in a way that was not (and could not be) understood by the primary addressees of the book. Today, if we ask an Arab friend to come to our house with his Ahl-Al-Bayt, the default is that he will come to our house with his wife and children who are staying in his house. He might bring his married children or he might not. He might even bring a friend if the friend is a permanent resident of his house. But primarily, an Arab will understand from this that he should bring his wives, since this is the central and primary definition of the phrase “Ahl-Al-Bayt”.

An Arab will be extremely shocked if he finds that by Ahl-Al-Bayt we meant his cousin, married children, and grandchildren, all of whom live in another house. He will be extremely shocked that we do not mean his wife who lives in his Bayt. This is because for any Arab, the word Ahl-Al-Bayt (which literally means those staying in the house) includes the wife (or wives) of a person. This was in no way any different at the time of the Prophet. It is the same in all Arab countries. It is interesting that even in Iran (being a Shia dominated country) people use the word Ahl-Al-Bayt to refer to the wife as well as children of a person. If we look at any popular book of Arabic words we will find that in the definition of Ahlel Bayt, wife is included. We would thus like to ask the Shia Ayatollahs why they proclaim a different definition of the word Ahlel Bayt? Why should it be that the Prophet’s wives are not part of Ahlel Bayt but rather the Infallible Imams are? In our opinion, this defies logic.

Logic and Common Sense

Ahlel Bayt means the family of a man living in his house. If we were to ask any Shia who is a part of his own family, he would most definitely include his mother (or his spouse) in his response. Mothers and wives are the basic foundation of a family. If we were to ask an unbiased third party as to who the family of Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) was, the first names they would mention would be the Prophet’s wives.

The Quran Refers to the Prophet’s Wives as Ahlel Bayt

As Muslims, we believe in the absolute authority of the Quran. It is the highest source of legislation; in fact, it is the very speech of Allah. The Quran refers to the Prophet’s wives as the Ahlel Bayt. Allah Almighty Himself negates all those who dare argue that Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) and Hafsa (رضّى الله عنها) are not part of the Ahlel Bayt.

The Quran specifically refers to the wives of the Prophet as Ahlel Bayt in the following verse:

“O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless.” (Quran, 33:32-33)

The transliteration reads:

“Ya nisa al-nabiyi lastuna kahadin mina alnisa-i ini itaqaytuna fala takhdaAAna bialqawli fayatmaAAa allathee fee qalbihi maradun waqulna qawlan maAAroofan Waqarna fee buyootikunna wala tabarrajna tabarruja aljahiliyyati al-oola waaqimna alssalata waateena alzzakata waatiAAna Allaha warasoolahu innama yureedu Allahu liyuthhiba AAankumu alrrijsa Ahlul Bayt-i wayutahhirakum tatheeran” (Quran, 33:32-33)

There is in fact not a single verse in the Quran which identifies Ali (رضّى الله عنه), Fatima (رضّى الله عنها), Hasan (رضّى الله عنه), or Hussain (رضّى الله عنه) as the Ahlel Bayt. Not a single verse in the Quran mentions the 12 Infallible Imams of the Shia, let alone calling them Ahlel Bayt. The term “Ahlel Bayt” has been used twice in the Quran, and both times it is used to refer to the wives. And a similar term, Ahli Baytin is used in the Quran to refer to the wife of Imran (mother of Moses). And yet, not a single time is the word “Ahlel Bayt” used in the Quran for Ali (رضّى الله عنه), Fatima (رضّى الله عنها), Hasan (رضّى الله عنه), or Hussain (رضّى الله عنه). Nowhere does the Quran say “O cousin of the Prophet” but rather the Quran says “O wives of the Prophet.” If following the Ahlel Bayt is the fundamental of belief as the Shia Ayatollahs claim, then why is it that the Quran never once mentions Ali (رضّى الله عنه) let alone mentioning him as the Ahlel Bayt? If we ask our Shia brothers to produce verses in the Quran about the Ahlel Bayt, they will be dissapointed to find that these verses are all in relation to the Prophet’s wives.

Second Time the Quran Uses the Word “Ahlel Bayt”

Ahlel Bayt is used another time in the Quran and again this time to refer to the wives:

“She said: ‘O wonder! shall I bear a son when I am an extremely old woman and this my husband an extremely old man? Most surely this is a wonderful thing.’ They said: ‘Do you wonder at Allah’s decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings on you, o you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House)! for He is indeed worthy of all praise, full of all glory!’” (Quran, 11:72-73)

The transliteration reads:

“Qalat Ya Waylata ‘A’alidu Wa ‘Ana `Ajuzun Wa Hadha Ba`li Shaykhaan ‘Inna Hadha Lashay’un `Ajibun. Qalu ‘Ata`jabina Min ‘Amri Allahi Rahmatu Allahi Wa Barakatuhu `Alaykum ‘Ahlul-Bayt-i ‘Innahu Hamidun Majidun.” (Quran, 11:72-73)

In the verse above, Prophet Ibrahim’s wife asks the angels how can she have a son, and they respond back calling her and Prophet Ibrahim (عليه السلام) as Ahlel Bayt. And again, the collective pronoun is used to refer to the Prophet Ibrahim (عليه السلام) and his wife. Nobody else was in the room other than them, and the angels referred to them all as Ahlel Bayt, including Prophet Ibrahim’s wife.

The Quran declares that Wives are Part of the Family

Allah Almighty says that all of the members of Prophet Loot’s family will be saved aside from his wife. Allah says: “(All) except the family of Loot. Them all surely We are going to save (from destruction). Except his wife…” (Quran, 15:59-60)

The construction “except his wife” would be non-sensical unless the wife was included in the family of Loot (عليه السلم). Otherwise, why would Allah need to clarify that Loot’s wife was an exception to the rule that the family of Loot (عليه السلام) would be saved?

Hadith

In Sahih Bukhari, the Prophet specifically refers to Aisha as part of Ahlel Bayt:

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 316

Narrated Anas:

A banquet of bread and meat was held on the occasion of the marriage of the Prophet to Zainab bint Jahsh. I was sent to invite the people (to the banquet), and so the people started coming (in groups). They would eat and then leave. Another batch would come, eat and leave. So I kept on inviting the people till I found nobody to invite.

Then I said, “O Allah’s Prophet! I do not find anybody to invite.”

He (the Prophet) said, “Carry away the remaining food.” Then a batch of three persons stayed in the house chatting. The Prophet left and went towards the dwelling place of Aisha and said, “Peace and Allah’s Mercy be on you, Ya Ahlel Bayt (O the people of the house)!”

She replied, “Peace and the mercy of Allah be on you too. How did you find your wife? May Allah bless you.”

Then he went to the dwelling places of all his other wives and said to them the same as he said to Aisha and they said to him the same as Aisha had said to him.

Sahih Bukhari is considered the most reliable book of Hadith, and therefore there is no doubt that this is an authoratative declaration that the Prophet’s wives are Ahlel Bayt.

Certain Shia Ayatollahs will often take Hadith out of context in order to “prove” that the Prophet’s wives are not part of the Ahlel Bayt. We shall examine all of these Hadith in later articles, and we shall see that the reality is that an unbiased view of the Hadith merely confirms the Quran, namely that the Prophet’s wives are part of the Ahlel Bayt.

It is narrated in Sahih Muslim by Zayd ibn Arqam (رضّى الله عنه) that the Prophet’s wives are part of the Ahlel Bayt. In Sahih Muslim (Book 31, Chapter 4, Hadith-5920), Zayd says “His wives are among the people of his household.” He further emphasized: “His spouses are a fiber of his household.” If the wives are the fiber of Ahlel Bayt, it means that they are the fundamental unit of it.

In future articles, we shall–Insha-Allah–examine other Hadith, those that are commonly taken out of context by the Shia Ayatollahs.

Scholarly Opinion

Shaikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid says: “With regard to the wives of the Prophet…they are included among the members of the family of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم).” This is the majority opinion of the Ulema.

One Last Argument

We ask our Shia brothers to ponder upon why the Quran and the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) used the term “Ahl-al-Bayt” as opposed to simply “Ahl” which means “family.” By confining the Ahl with “Al-Bayt” this is restricting who is being referred to as the family living under the roof of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). Neither Ali (رضّى الله عنه), Fatima (رضّى الله عنها), Hasan (رضّى الله عنه), nor Hussain (رضّى الله عنه) lived in the same house as the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). On the other hand, the Prophet’s wives most definitely did.

If Allah was referring to the family of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) that did not live in his house, then surely the word “Ahl” would have been more appropriate to use; the additional specification of “Al-Bayt” would then be completely extraneous and in fact self-contradictory. The phrase “Ahl-Al-Bayt” confines the Ahl to those who live inside the Bayt, which consists of the Prophet’s wives. Any other explanation is nonsensical.

Ahlel Bayt of Ali (رضّى الله عنه)

The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah holds the Ahle Bayt Ali (رضّى الله عنه) in the highest regard. In fact, we believe that Ali’s family (رضّى الله عنه)–along with the families of Aqeel (رضّى الله عنه) and Abbas (رضّى الله عنه)–are honorary members of the Prophetic Ahlel Bayt. Ali’s family (رضّى الله عنه) is commonly referred to as Ahlel Kisa (People of the Cloak) and they are highly regarded by the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah. However, we disagree with those who exploit the Ahlel Bayt of Ali (رضّى الله عنه) to hurt and degrade the Ahlel Bayt of Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). We ask Allah to shower His Infinite Blessings upon both of these families.

Certain Shia propagandists might try to claim that we are insulting the family of Ali (رضّى الله عنه) by saying that they are “only” honorary members of the Ahlel Bayt, but this is not true at all. The Shia declare that Salman Al-Farsi (رضّى الله عنه) was an honorary member of Ahlel Bayt. Is this insulting Salman Al-Farsi (رضّى الله عنه)? No, it is in fact exalting him. Likewise, to say that Ali’s family (رضّى الله عنه) is an honorary part of the Ahlel Bayt is likewise an exaltation and not an insult at all. The Shia have called Salman Al-Farsi (رضّى الله عنه) to be an honorary member of the Ahlel Bayt; therefore, if they accuse the Sunnis of hating Ali (رضّى الله عنه) for calling him an honorary member, then they are also guilty of hating Salman Al-Farsi (رضّى الله عنه).

Al-Islam.org says
“The reference to Salman Farsi as a member of the Ahlul-Bayt is honorary. Salman Farsi’s conversion to Islam left a great impression on the HolyProphet (S) and others. Throughout the years of the Holy Prophet’s mission, Salman Farsi was one of the companions most dedicated in the service, defence and propagation of Islam. His service to the household of the HolyProphet and his sincere love for them earned him great respect from all quarters of the Ahlul-Bayt. Thus, as an honor for him, the Prophet (S) referred to him as one of the Ahlul-Bayt (AS). We pray that he will be raised in the honorable company of the ones he loved so dearly.

source: http://al-islam .org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00450.html ”
Perhaps the reason that the Shia Ayatollahs love the Ahlel Bayt of Ali (رضّى الله عنه) and not the Ahlel Bayt of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) has to do with how the faith of Shi’ism came into being. Indeed, the early ancestors of the Shia are the Saba’ites, followers of Abdullah Ibn Saba. These Saba’ites excessively praised Ali (رضّى الله عنه) and eventually even declared that Ali (رضّى الله عنه) was superior to the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). Today, the Shia adamantly deny this and they say that the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) is superior to Ali (رضّى الله عنه). However, we wonder why then they praise the Ahlel Bayt of Ali (رضّى الله عنه) and not the Ahlel Bayt of Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم)? Is this not a remnant of the Saba’ite origin of Shi’ism?

Furthermore, there is absolutely no logic in calling the Infallible Imams of the Shia to be part of Ahlel Bayt and then deny that the Prophet’s wives are part of Ahlel Bayt. Surely, the Prophet’s wives have a much greater right to be part of Ahlel Bayt than people who did not even live in the Bayt of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم).

Conclusion

The Prophet’s wives are the Ahlel Bayt. Many Shia Ayatollahs slander Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) and Hafsa (رضّى الله عنها) with many baseless accusations (we shall examine these accusations in later articles). We ask our Shia brothers to ponder over the true nature of this love. The Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama’ah are lovers of Ahlel Bayt and certainly not Nasibis (haters of Ahlel Bayt). In fact the reality may be that the Ayatollahs are the ones who are Nasibis as they hate the Ahlel Bayt (i.e. Prophet’s wives) so much that they even deny that they are the Ahlel Bayt! In fact, the AhlelBayt.com website was primarily designed to defend the Ahlel Bayt, namely Aisha (رضّى الله عنها), from the slander uttered against her.

The fact that the Prophet’s wives are Ahlel Bayt is proven from the Quran, Hadith, scholarly opinion, dictionary, logic, common sense, and common usage of the word “Ahlel Bayt.” Those who care to argue so vehemently against the verses of the Quran can only be those who hate the Ahlel Bayt so much and so passionately that they must even reject the Word of Allah.
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Re: Shia/Sunni

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By the way not to forget the hadith narrated by Arqam which rawafid uses against us while infact the hadith is against them!


Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him: “You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him…”, and the rest of the Hadith is the same [as Hadith 5920] but with this variation of wording that he said…

(Sahih Muslim, Book 31, Chapter 4, Hadith 5923)

So we see that Hadith 5923 (as quoted by the Shia) cannot stand alone without the un-abridged version of Hadith 5920.

Let us now look at Hadith 5920 which is the un-abridged version:

“He (Husain) said to Zaid: ‘Who are the members of his household? Aren’t his wives the members of his family?’ Thereupon he said: ‘His wives are the members of his family but here the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of Zakat is forbidden.’ And he said: ‘Who are they?’ Thereupon he said: ‘Ali and the offspring of Ali, Aqil and the offspring of Aqil and the offspring of Jafar and the offspring of Abbas.’ Husain said: ‘These are those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden?’ Zaid said: ‘Yes.’


In perhaps the clearest version of this Hadith, Zaid ibn Arqam (رضّى الله عنه) says:

“His wives are among the people of his household, but the people of his household who are forbidden to receive sadaqah (charity) after his death are the family of ‘Ali, the family of ‘Aqeel, the family of Ja’far and the family of ‘Abbaas. All of these are forbidden to receive sadaqah.”


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Sunnipath destroyes weak shia argument about hadith of Arqam r.a:


Zakat-specified Ahly Al Bayt and the Prophet�s Wives
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Question:
Can you please explain this following hadith found in Muslim about ahlul bayt. Why does the narrator state that the our mothers are not part of ahlul bayt? Clearly this is the opinion of the narrator and not what the Prophet (s) but why did Imam Muslim add this hadith to his collection? However i wanted to know if you could please explain this hadith and why does the narrator state that our mothers are not part of Ahlul Bayt.

Sahih Muslim

Book 031, Number 5923:

Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, for I am leaving amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who are amongst the members of the household? Aren't the wives (of the Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold? Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to her parents and to her people; the members of his household include his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited.

Answer:

[Answered by Sidi Salman Younas]

Salamu 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullah


I pray this finds you in the best of health and Iman. May Allah grant you all good in this life and the next.


In order to answer your question, I will address the issue in two parts.


[1] Regarding why Imam Muslim mentioned this narration in his collection, it was to show the variant wordings and chains of the hadith. It was not uncommon for the scholars of hadith to mention these variations.

Amongst the reasons for this was to compare the different texts (mutun) of the same hadith in order to find possible discrepancies, hidden defects, and also due to the principle that separate chains count as separate ahadith regardless of whether the actual text of the narration is the same.

Since Imam Muslim was primarily interested in hadith and its chains (unlike his teacher Bukhari who was more interested in the fiqh aspect of hadith) one will see that Imam Muslim adduces, under a given chapter-title, all the hadith on that patricular issue/event - sometimes even stating preferences and strengths of individual chains.


[2] Secondly, regarding whether the wives of the Prophet (May Allah be pleased with them all) are part of the Ahly al Bayt then indeed they are. The primary evidence for this is the Qur'anic verse 33:33 (See: Shaykh Gibril has a detailed discussion of this on SunniPath).

However, the question arises: Why then did Sayyidina Zayd ibn Arqam (Allah be pleased with him) state that the wives were not included?

To understand this one must understand the context under which the term Ahly al Bayt was being employed. The context of this narration is in regards to those for whom zakat is forbidden. This relates to a very specific, textually-defined relationship.

Under this condition (i.e. those for whom zakat is forbidden) the wives will not be included since they are lawfully entitled to zakat according to the consensus of the scholars as Ibn Hajar states in his Fath al Bari. This is clearly evident from the narration of Sayyidina Zayd, which Imam Muslim cites prior to the one being discussed, wherein he states:

قال نساؤه من أهل بيته ولكن أهل بيته من حرم الصدقة


"He (s: Zayd) said, 'His wives are from his house (ahl baytihi) but the members of his house [s: in this context] are those for whom charity is forbidden."


Imam Nawawi, commenting on this narration states that in terms of standing, respect, rights and high regard preached by the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) towards his family, the wives do indeed enter . However, they do not enter into those for whom zakat is forbidden.


Further, as Sayyidi Gibril Haddad stated, one should know that it is one of the Prophetic characteristics that the wives that survived him are his wives forever as he himself said to Umm Salama when she asked to be under the mantle: "Are you not pleased to be my wife here and in the hereafter?" They cannot remarry nor inherit from him, so the analogy drawn by Sayyidina Zayd is inapplicable to them except for the ruling of zakat.


Thus, to conclude, the wives are part of the Ahly al Bayt. There are numerous narrations to attest to this such as the one narrated by Imam Bukhari from Anas ibn Malik wherein the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) entered upon Sayyidah A'isha and greeted her "Peace be upon you People of my house" (assalamu 'alaykum ahly bayti). Sayyidina Zayd (Allah be pleased with him) does not negate this but merely states that those for whom zakat is forbidden are a more specific group excluding the wives.


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وأما قوله في الرواية الأخرى : ( نساؤه من أهل بيته , ولكن أهل بيته من حرم الصدقة ) قال : وفي الرواية الأخرى : فقلنا : ( من أهل بيته نساؤه قال : لا ) فهاتان الروايتان ظاهرهما التناقض , والمعروف في معظم الروايات في غير مسلم أنه قال نساؤه لسن من أهل بيته , فتتأول الرواية الأولى على أن المراد أنهن من أهل بيته الذين يساكنون , ويعولهم , وأمر باحترامهم وإكرامهم , وسماهم ثقلا ووعظ في حقوقهم , وذكر , فنساؤه داخلات في هذا كله , ولا يدخلن فيمن حرم الصدقة , وقد أشار إلى هذا في الرواية الأولى بقوله : ( نساؤه من أهل بيته , ولكن أهل بيته من حرم الصدقة ) , فاتفقت الروايتان



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I beg you by the holy names of Allah swt not to run away and show me evidences proving your point!
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Sorry bro birmingham is very much interesting that i have just seen your copy and paste.
Although we are not arabs and we do not know the twist and turn;
But here is what i have picked up and the following is the answer

I have highlighted the koran part in bold as the koran is the absolute proof and if i do refuse then i am not a muslim
So here the koran part

HutuKing01 wrote:Here comes trouble!
Prophet’s Wives are Ahlel Bayt




The Quran specifically refers to the wives of the Prophet as Ahlel Bayt in the following verse:

“O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other of the women; If you will be on your guard, then be not soft in your speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease yearn; and speak a good word. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, you Ahlel Bayt (People of the House), and to make you pure and spotless.” (Quran, 33:32-33)

The transliteration reads:

“Ya nisa al-nabiyi lastuna kahadin mina alnisa-i ini itaqaytuna fala takhdaAAna bialqawli fayatmaAAa allathee fee qalbihi maradun waqulna qawlan maAAroofan Waqarna fee buyootikunna wala tabarrajna tabarruja aljahiliyyati al-oola waaqimna alssalata waateena alzzakata waatiAAna Allaha warasoolahu innama yureedu Allahu liyuthhiba AAankumu alrrijsa Ahlul Bayt-i wayutahhirakum tatheeran” (Quran, 33:32-
The rest was just idea and interpretation so djibsomali does not interprate.

But here a long writing who just dissapprove that the wifes are not ahluubayt and here it is (long and detailed as yours)

Every family has a core that keeps it togeather and forms the basis of that family. This core usually consists of a father, a mother, and their children. These tend to be a person's "ahlul bayt", literally meaning "people of the house." The "ahlul bayt" of Prophet Muhammad(Peace Be Upon Him) is of vital importance of Islam, for the love of a person (the Prophet) should extend to the love of the family of such a person (if the family is a righteous family), unless the love of that person is artificial. Now, this brings up the question "who are the ahlul bayt of Muhammad?" After all, the Prophet(PBUH) had a multitude of wives and was not lacking children. Were all of his wives and children considered to be "people of (his) household"? To answer this question and to find out who the Prophet's true ahlul bayt was, I will first bring refrences from the Quran, then elaborate upon those verses with authentic hadiths (sayings and actions of the Prophet)



Our first verse in attempting to discover the true ahlul bayt is located in Surah Imran:

Then whoever disputes with you concerning him (Jesus) after full knowledge has come to you, say: "Come! Let us gather our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves; then let us earnestly invoke the curse of God upon the liars." (3:61)

Now, what is the story behind this verse? According to hadith collections, it is narrated that during the 9th/10th year after hijra, an Arab Christian envoy from Najran (currently in northern Yemen and partly in Saudi Arabia) came to Muhammad(PBUH) to argue which of the two parties erred in its doctrine concerning Jesus. After likening Jesus' miraculous birth to Adam's creation, Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), was ordered by God in this verse to call the Christians to Mubahala(Cursing), where each party should ask God to destroy the lying party and their families. The Prophet(PBUH) brought his daughter Fatimah and his surviving grandchildren, Hassan and Hussein, and Ali ibn Abu Talib and came back to the Christians and said "this is my family (ahllul bayt)" and covered himself and his family with a cloak. The Christian envoy, the traditions add, declined to take part in Mubahala and chose instead to pay tribute. (source: Sahih Muslim, Chapter of virtues of companions, section of virtues of Ali, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, Arabic version, v4, p1871, the end of tradition #32 and Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p654). At this point I would like to point out that, in terms of hadiths, I will use Sunni hadtihs to show who the true ahlul bayt are, because the Shia are in universal agreement on this matter.



Thus, according to this verse, God, the Almighty, ordered the Prophet(PBUH) to bring his sons, his women, and himself to this important event. For his "sons", he could have legitimately brought nobody, because he didn't have any sons that survived early age. But who did he bring for his "sons"? Hassan and Hussein! For his "women", who did he bring? He brought Fatimah! Did he bring Um Salama? No! Did he bring Um Habiba? No! Did he bring Aisha? No! He brought his daughter Fatima. Thus it can be said from this historical event, in terms of the "women" category, the Prophet(PBUH) regarded his daughter Fatima more highly than he regarded any of his other wives who were alive at the time. Now to the final stipulation: "...ourselves and yourselves." Did the Prohpet(PBUH) merely bring himself to fit the creteria of this stipulation? No, he brought along with him his son-in-law, Ali. Thus, it can be gathered from this historical event, that the Prophet(PBUH) considered Ali as apart of himself. Did he bring any of his other companions? No! Now, some may say that the Prophet(PBUH) may have just considered Ali to be like a son to him, so the Prophet(PBUH) only brought Ali, Hassan, and Hussein because he was required to bring his "sons". This arguement is refuted by hadiths which say that the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) said to Ali "You are to me like Aaron to Moses but there will be no prophet after me" (Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Hadiths #56 and 700). The position of "Aaron to Moses" is given in the Quran in 20:29-36, 25:35, and 7:142. This hadith has been transmitted by over 30 companions of the Prophet(PBUH), male and female.



Some may say that the Shia are looking too much into the "you will be to me like Aaron to Moses" quote. Some may say that that quote from the Prophet(PBUH) merely meant to suggest that the Prophet(PBUH) going off and leaving his relative in charge is similar to what happened when Moses(PBUH) went off leaving Aaron(PBUH) behind. If this was the case, the why did Muhammad(PBUH) repeat this phrase on many different occasions? The Battle of Tabook (the only time he told Ali to stay behind and he only did this to prevent the hypocrites from taking over Medina in the absense of him[the Prophet]) was not the first time that the Prophet(PBUH) said this. The first time the Prophet(PBUH) is known to have said this was during the occasion of the Brotherhood of the Meccan Muslims. The second time was 5 months After Hijra. The third time was at the house of Umm Salim, way before Tabook. The fourth time was in front of Abu Bakr, Umar, and Abu Ubaidah. Also, why did he add the second part of his statement? Why did he add "But there will be no prophet after me"? From that statement, we can conclude that the status of "Ali to Muhammad(PBUH)" being similar to the status of "Aaron to Moses" is a permanent status because he is talking about what will happen after his death . It is interesting to note that when Moses(PBUH) left Aaron(PBUH) in charge, the Jews began worshiping the golden calf and completely ignored the authority of Moses(PBUH). This is similar to what happened to Ali when Muhammad(PBUH) died. After the death of the Muhammad(PBUH), a number of his followers innovated and altered Islam and denied Ali his right to be the Caliph (Ali's right to be the 1st Caliph will be explained in another article in the future, inshallah). Are there any Sunni hadiths that say that (not all!) the Prophet(PBUH)'s companions would innovate and alter mainstream Islam after his death? Yes! to avoid going compelatly off topic, I ask you to look at Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Hadith #422 and Sahih Bukhari Volume 8 Hadith #858.



So what is the significance of this verse? That the Prophet(PBUH), when ordered to bring his sons, women, and himself, brought Hassan, Hussein, Fatimah, and Ali respectivly (in addition to himself). Thus, he considered those 4 to be his ahlul bayt, along with himself. This verse (3:61) should be enough to silence any person who says that the ahlul bayt of Muhammad(PBUH) includes any of the Prophet's (PBUH) living wives. However, that is not the only verse that proves that the ahlul bayt of Muhammad(PBUH) is Hassan, Hussein, Fatima, Ali, and Muhammad(PBUH).



The most famous verse referring to ahlul bayt is found is Surah Al-Azhab:

Stay in your homes and do not display yourselves as women did the pre-Islamic era; establish prayer, pay alms, and obey God and His Messenger. God only intends to remove you sins, O people of the house, and purify you compleatly. (33:33)

Now, hold on a second. What's the context of this verse? The context of this verse is about the wives of the Prophet(PBUH), not about the ahlul bayt that the before-mentioned verse talked about. Firstly, we must remember that the origional written Quran did not have numbering, so saying that "the second half of the verse is out of context of the first half of the verse" isn't nessicairly accurate. Secondly, could this be the first time that the first part of a verse complealty switches adresse in the second part of the verse? No! For instance, in Surah Yusuf:

Joseph! pass this over and ask forgiveness for your sin, for truly you have been at fault. (12:29)
Notice that the first part "Joseph! pass this over" is in the masculine tense, whereas the second part "and ask forgiveness for your sin, for truly you have been at fault" is in the feminine tense, which refers to the wife of Aziz needing to ask forgivness for her error. If I just looked at the context of this verse without analysing the gender tenses, I would have thought that it was Prophet Yusuf(PBUH) that needed to apologise for some sin, rather than the wife of Aziz needing to apoligise for her sin.

Some scholars hold that the wives of Muhammad were included in the second part of the verse 33:33, since they are addressed in the beginning of verse 33:33. Such scholars reject the notion that the end of this verse would be a stand-alone blessing, meant exclusively for Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Hussein, as they have in mind the context of the verse as a whole and the one preceding it.

Other scholars counter-argument claim that the verse itself says "only", implying that the blessing of this merit is exclusive to a single group and one other than the wives. i.e., God desires to keep away the uncleanness from "only" you, "O people of the House", and not from anyone else, and this is why the six stern commandments of the other verses are given to the wives, because they are not protected and must act accordingly; the "people of the house", on the other hand, need no such instructions.

Furthurmore, it is intresting to note that in first part of that verse, all the words are in the feminine tense, whereas the second part of the verse (the part about purification) is in the masculine tense, meaning that there is at least one male member of ahlul bayt, thus it cannot soley refer to the wives of the Prophert(PBUH).

Are there any hadiths that explain this verse? Yes. There are two reliable hadiths on this matter from Sunni sources; one hadith was narrated by Um Salama and the other was narrated by Aishia. Both were present during the revelation of this verse (33:33). Here are both of the hadiths:

'A'isha reported that Muhammad went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped him under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying) Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 5955


It is interesting to note that in book #31 of Sahih Muslim, there is a section entittled "Section of the Virtues of the Family of the Prophet" and the above hadith is the ONLY hadith in that section. If the wives of the Prophet(PBUH) in included in the ahlul bayt of the Prophet(PBUH) then surely Muslim (the author) would have put some other hadith in that section about them?



The next hadith is narrated in the authority of Umar Ibn Abi Salama, the son of Umm Salama:

The verse "Verily Allah intends to ... (33:33)" was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH) in the house of Umm Salama. Upon that, the Prophet gathered Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and covered them with a cloak, and he also covered Ali who was behind him. Then the Prophet said: "O' Allah! These are the Members of my House (Ahlul-Bayt). Keep them away from every impurity and purify them with a perfect purification." Umm Salama (the wife of Prophet) asked: "Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?" the Prophet replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending."
reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 351,663

This hadith should be the conclusive proof that the wives of the Prophet(PBUH) are not included in his "ahlul bayt". Notice how the Prophet(PBUH) didn't say these are among the Members of my House. Rather, he said "These are THE Members of my House." Thus, anyone who was under that cloak is the ahlul bayt of the Prophet(PBUH). If Um Salama was among his ahlul bayt then why was she denied entry into the cloak? Why wasn't Um Salama and Aishia (or any of the wives of the Prophet(PBUH) invited to go under the cloak? Other wordings of this hadiths in Sunni books give the answer:

Umm Salama said: "O Prophet of Allah! Am I not one of the members of your family?" The Holy Prophet replied: "You have a good future but only these are the members of my family. O Lord! The members of my family are more deserving."

Sunni reference: al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v2, p416

Also the wording reported by al-Suyuti and Ibn al-Athir is as follows:

Umm Salama said to the Holy Prophet: "Am I also one of them?" He replied: "No. You have your own special position and your future is good."

Sunni reference: Usdul Ghabah, by Ibn al-Athir, v2, p289 and Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v5, p198

Also, al-Tabari quotes Umm Salama saying:

I said, "O Prophet of Allah! Am I not also one of your Ahlul-Bayt?" I swear by the Almighty that the Holy Prophet did NOT grant me any distinction and said: "You have a good future."

Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Tabari, v22, p7 under the commentary of verse 33:33



Thus we can conclude that Um Salama was regarded highly by the Prophet(PBUH), but she wasn't in the exclusive club of ahlul bayt. To make sure everyone knew who the ahlul bayt of the Prophet(PBUH) were, he used to recite the last part of 33:33 (God only intends to remove you sins, O people of the house, and purify you compleatly) at the door of Imam Ali's and Fatima's house for several months. This is backed by a few Sunni hadiths:



Anas Ibn Malik narrated:

The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF), from the time the revelation of "Verily Allah intends to... (the last part of Verse 33:33)" and for six (6) months thereafter, stood by the door of the House of Fatimah and said: "Time for Prayer Ahlul-Bayt; No doubt! Allah wished to remove all abomination from you and make you pure and spotless."(Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v12, p8, Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v3, p258)

Abu al-Hamra narrated:

"The Messenger of God continued eight (8) months in Medina, coming to the door of Ali at every morning prayer, putting his two hands on the two sides of the door and exclaiming : "Assalat! Assalat! (prayer! prayer!) Certainly God ward off all uncleanness from you, O Members of the House of Muhammad, and to make you pure and spotless." (Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v5, pp 198-199, Tafsir Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, v22, p6, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, v3, p48, Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, by Muhibbuddin al-Tabari, p24 on the authority of Anas Ibn Malik, Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v5, p637, Usdul Ghabah, by Ibn al-Athir, v5, p146, Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v9, pp 121,168, Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, p33)




Thus, through careful and thorough examiniations of the Quran and hadiths, we can conclude that the ahlul bayt of the Prophet(PBUH) during his lifetime consisted soley of Hassan ibn Ali, Hussein ibn Ali, Fatimah bint Muhammad, Ali ibn Abu Talib, and Muhammad ibn Abdullah. :
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This long interpretation is about the same verse.
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That interpretation is worth nothing. Akhi(i avoid takfeer for now),bring evidences as i did. Yelling out ´´wives are not ahlebeyt´´ wont change anything.
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HutuKing01 wrote:That interpretation is worth nothing. Akhi(i avoid takfeer for now),bring evidences as i did. Yelling out ´´wives are not ahlebeyt´´ wont change anything.

gofkaa wallan maxaa laguu gartaa???
he debate without knowledge.

I have read your stuff and i have put a long stuff and within 2 seconds you have rejected as if you were in somalinet for the whole day just waiting for an answer.

Now what is the point of debating with me???
I am not a scholar and you are far from it

I have read your copy and paste from whereever!!
I have put a copy and paste from somewhere and you didnot read!!!

So what is the point anyway???
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I have read it and found nothing in it which qualifies as ´´strong argument´´.
But you missed the point.
The point was : bring for your claims PROOFS from the two sources(quran and hadiths). Truly if you bring hadith which says wife is not part of ahlelbeyt while quran says the opposite every beiever should throw away such hadith because it contradicts quran al karim.
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wallahee waa beentaa!!

When you replied first time you have not even read the first line let alone the whole thing
if you were how come you replied back with 45 seconds?????

Waar what is the point of all this hortaa??
I can not force you so what is the point then?
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djibsomali wrote:wallahee waa beentaa!!

When you replied first time you have not even read the first line let alone the whole thing
if you were how come you replied back with 45 seconds?????

Waar what is the point of all this hortaa??
I can not force you so what is the point then?

You are on batil but doesnt realize that.
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waar waad dogonoday!!

We do not have different religion!!
is only a point of view on a fact!!

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The one who finds salvation in abusing ahlelbeyt,sahaba and worshipping some members of ahlelbeyt are not from islam.They are like khawaarij.

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