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AbdiWahab252 wrote:Ducaysane,
Unless Issaq go into properly karbash the Harti, there will be no.
You guys let the Harti go in 1991 instead of karbashing them into submission.
usman-84 wrote:Abdi u are moron sxb united nations says puntland is stronger then sland military..read below
http://www.un-somalia.org/docs/N0524088_s_2005_89.pdf
sland brought all its weapons, mens and everything in 2003 and puntland defeated them...they sent re-inforcements from hargeisa berbera all over sland...and puntland won..in 2007 when sland won it was because puntland resources were in hamar karbashing hawiye..sool was half manned by puntland...but when fully manned united nations know who is stronger...isaaq iyo mj is not even comparable in strength the united nations says mj is strongest clan in somalia..
we lost sool because we were busy with hawiye when abdullahi was ruling..all the resources followed him..sool was half manned by puntland and thats why we lost...and puntland is hesistating on attacking as we dont want to kill our own ppl..thats the only reason..but if isaaq step with us toe to toe in desert somewhere we know what will fockin happen man..we already did it in 2003 when they brought every arsenal they had..
Source:http://www.un-somalia.org/docs/N0524088_s_2005_89.pdfThe two sides sent reinforcements to the area and their rhetoric suggested
that a serious confrontation was imminent. Confrontation was however averted
following diplomatic efforts and the intervention of traditional leaders. A long-term
solution has not been found, and the two sides continue to deploy troops in the area.
Elsewhere in the north occasional incidents of inter-clan fighting have had a
negative impact on United Nations operations. In Puntland, police and militia
surrender wrote:yes we know All African Borders Rose from Colonial Borders, but before they came and devided the lands and made their fake borders, who lived in that land and who didnt-they did not have a clue-or cared. they just devided lands and made fake borders, which created people from the same tribe being seperated, or people who originally owned this land being forced out to move and so on. which then created hostility and endless wars between tribes/groups.
usman-84 wrote:united nation security document states in page 6..article 29..the following
Source:http://www.un-somalia.org/docs/N0524088_s_2005_89.pdfThe two sides sent reinforcements to the area and their rhetoric suggested
that a serious confrontation was imminent. Confrontation was however averted
following diplomatic efforts and the intervention of traditional leaders. A long-term
solution has not been found, and the two sides continue to deploy troops in the area.
Elsewhere in the north occasional incidents of inter-clan fighting have had a
negative impact on United Nations operations. In Puntland, police and militia
U see we all brought our reinforcements in 2003..and troops were continuing to be deployed..sxb sland brought all it had..same with mj...and we know who won...fast-forward 2007 when sland defeated us..everyone knows we were busy in hamar and only half-manned in sool..that is why they won..but when its 1 on 1 abaha ku was we will fock u up side way nigga
noone is stronger then us..u all need coalitions against us...marehan needed habar gedir against us in kismayo...ogaden needed usc with all hawiye against us in 91...usc attacked galkacyo all together..isaaq still need dhulos help in 2007 against half-manned puntland force..sxb united nation dont bullshit u understand..
LIKE I SAID WE ARE THE f-king MIGHTIEST CLAN IN SOMALIS..
usman-84 wrote:surrender..the white man doesnt take colonial borders serious so dont sweat it, they will remain isolated..colonial borders in 2009 wont get anyone separation, that is why noone uses it let alone won using it...separations are decided upon ethnicity, religion, politics..not colonialist..look at eritrea, kosovo, east timor as examples of how they separated..they separated because of religion...look at georgia and how they separated from russia it was because of politics..georgia said they will become democratic government and different to the communist russian government...thats why they were given indepedence.
That is the path puntland will take in separation if shit doesnt work with somalis on the federal idealogy, we will use that and tell the world we have different political visions then somalia and therefore must separate because they do not want to adopt the federalism idealogy. This is exactly what georgia did to russia and won...even though georgia and russia are same ppl and religion, they were given indepedence because they came up with different political idealogy.
This is puntland plan B goal if plan A of federal somalia doesnt work..we will execute plan B and say to the world we require separation from somalis as we have different political idealogies and ambitions..our political idealogy is federalism..where-as somalia idealogy is heading towards islamism idealogy...u see how the world will say "we better give puntland separation" because we dont want to see them become islamist region, but a democratic region.
Where-as sland will be stuck with colonial border argument and noone in the world is listening to that crap, and infact they will be isolated even further according to america foreign policy..so fock em dont waste time with those dir dummies..they havent figured out 17 years that this argument wont be accepted let them continue have 1 million ppl starving, living on a dollar a day, inshallah in 50 years they will number the size jews are..
puntland has zero - ground on being separate from somalia government let alone get separated from the land - i mean Sheikh Dalxis controls you guys from Mogadishu if he wants toDucaysane_87 wrote:surrender wrote:yes we know All African Borders Rose from Colonial Borders, but before they came and devided the lands and made their fake borders, who lived in that land and who didnt-they did not have a clue-or cared. they just devided lands and made fake borders, which created people from the same tribe being seperated, or people who originally owned this land being forced out to move and so on. which then created hostility and endless wars between tribes/groups.
that happened all over africa nothing new - hartis should get used to it - being separated for life
so basically this statement is trying to make excuse for the borders between somaliland and SSC'! just because the border between djibouti and somaliland was accepted? well did it ever occur to these people that maybe-JUST MAYBE the tribes in these lands where the borders where created between sl/dj had similar culture/backround/married of each other a lot/maybe already lived together? or maybe the tribes that orinigally owned these lands where the borders where created between somaliland and somalis does not want to accept the idea and want their lands back? just because it was drawn up by some drunken-desperate, power hungry white fool, it dont mean we all have to follow it. some might accept the idea, some wont., and they have they right to do so!!!It is hypocritical that these anti-Somaliland debaters recognize the legitimacy of the border between Somaliland and Djibouti but challenge the legitimacy of the border running between Somalia and Somaliland knowing that both borders were drawn by colonial powers. The borders of Somalia, Somaliland and Djibouti have the same status and legitimacy because they were all drawn by European Colonizers. Most of such debaters are easily overwhelmed by unattainable ambitions for tribal state that does not exist in Africa or elsewhere and their denial of the legitimacy of Somaliland borders is completely in contrary to the historical realities of African borders. Anyone who opposes the legitimacy of Somaliland borders, its independence and its diplomatic recognition is challenging the borders and sovereignty of all African independent states (54 states) whose borders rose from their colonial borders or demarcations.
Prime example of a Hawiye doqon.AbdiWahab252 wrote:Ducaysane,
Qasab
surrender wrote:Ducaysane_87 wrote:surrender wrote:yes we know All African Borders Rose from Colonial Borders, but before they came and devided the lands and made their fake borders, who lived in that land and who didnt-they did not have a clue-or cared. they just devided lands and made fake borders, which created people from the same tribe being seperated, or people who originally owned this land being forced out to move and so on. which then created hostility and endless wars between tribes/groups.
that happened all over africa nothing new - hartis should get used to it - being separated for life
you freaking tart the point was at this quote!so basically this statement is trying to make excuse for the borders between somaliland and SSC'! just because the border between djibouti and somaliland was accepted? well did it ever occur to these people that maybe-JUST MAYBE the tribes in these lands where the borders where created between sl/dj had similar culture/backround/married of each other a lot/maybe already lived together? or maybe the tribes that orinigally owned these lands where the borders where created between somaliland and somalis does not want to accept the idea and want their lands back? just because it was drawn up by some drunken-desperate, power hungry white fool, it dont mean we all have to follow it. some might accept the idea, some wont., and they have they right to do so!!!It is hypocritical that these anti-Somaliland debaters recognize the legitimacy of the border between Somaliland and Djibouti but challenge the legitimacy of the border running between Somalia and Somaliland knowing that both borders were drawn by colonial powers. The borders of Somalia, Somaliland and Djibouti have the same status and legitimacy because they were all drawn by European Colonizers. Most of such debaters are easily overwhelmed by unattainable ambitions for tribal state that does not exist in Africa or elsewhere and their denial of the legitimacy of Somaliland borders is completely in contrary to the historical realities of African borders. Anyone who opposes the legitimacy of Somaliland borders, its independence and its diplomatic recognition is challenging the borders and sovereignty of all African independent states (54 states) whose borders rose from their colonial borders or demarcations.
