Somaliland party Toronto

[mudugawi]

I was just looking through Somali youtube videos and you know how one video takes you to another. Anyhow I stumbled on this video about a Somaliland 18 may party in Toronto. First I was like WTF why are you watching poor deluded lost souls, who are going through an identity crisis, celebrating. But then, eedo Nakruuma came up and sung "Wadajir beey labo gacmood wax ku qaban karaan" with the audience singing along with sacab and mashxarad. I felt a sense of hope that our brothers in the North will cease their isolation from Somalia sooner than later.

[Cirwaaq]

LOL

You have been brainwashed to believe in propaganda and everything you know about history of the last 20years is based on the negativity projected about sland only to delay their independence.

Has anyone stepped back and said perhabs it is the solution towards regional peace and prosperity?

If you value and the union of 1960 to create the grand dream of Pan somalia of which only Somalia and Somaliland eventually achieved then you have to respect those who volunterly joined into a union together. Rather then force them to remain in an unproductive union why not allow them to temporalily dissolve the union in order so that all the 5 that were to makeup a union of all somalis can begin the dialogue needed to create Pan-Somalia.

Somaliland indepedence would positively enfluence independence of Ogadeen and independence of NFD. With all 5 independent the next mile stone is to begin how to create a mutually beneficial alliance, union, merger whatever form it may take. Denial of their right is an insutl to the union of 1960 and simply an imprisonment which creates an atmosphere that breeds hate and pushes us further from ever achieving any form fo political relations between the 5 could make a reality.

Hijacking the meaning of to represent only the union of 2 in 1960 is unjust to the intended realisation of pan-somalian union.

Advocacy to rebuild trust and cooperation is vital to the future of all somalis. We sacrifice a union of 2 on a gamble to possibilly get a union of 5. no risk no gain.

[Madelina]

LOL

You have been brainwashed to believe in propaganda and everything you know about history of the last 20years is based on the negativity projected about sland only to delay their independence.

Has anyone stepped back and said perhabs it is the solution towards regional peace and prosperity?

If you value and the union of 1960 to create the grand dream of Pan somalia of which only Somalia and Somaliland eventually achieved then you have to respect those who volunterly joined into a union together. Rather then force them to remain in an unproductive union why not allow them to temporalily dissolve the union in order so that all the 5 that were to makeup a union of all somalis can begin the dialogue needed to create Pan-Somalia.

Somaliland indepedence would positively enfluence independence of Ogadeen and independence of NFD. With all 5 independent the next mile stone is to begin how to create a mutually beneficial alliance, union, merger whatever form it may take. Denial of their right is an insutl to the union of 1960 and simply an imprisonment which creates an atmosphere that breeds hate and pushes us further from ever achieving any form fo political relations between the 5 could make a reality.

Hijacking the meaning of to represent only the union of 2 in 1960 is unjust to the intended realisation of pan-somalian union.

Advocacy to rebuild trust and cooperation is vital to the future of all somalis. We sacrifice a union of 2 on a gamble to possibilly get a union of 5. no risk no gain.

As always, you come up with practical solutions with the Somali Problem...

[abdikarim86]

I was just looking through Somali youtube videos and you know how one video takes you to another. Anyhow I stumbled on this video about a Somaliland 18 may party in Toronto. First I was like WTF why are you watching poor deluded lost souls, who are going through an identity crisis, celebrating. But then, eedo Nakruuma came up and sung "Wadajir beey labo gacmood wax ku qaban karaan" with the audience singing along with sacab and mashxarad. I felt a sense of hope that our brothers in the North will cease their isolation from Somalia sooner than later.

no we won't

[Cirwaaq]

LOL

You have been brainwashed to believe in propaganda and everything you know about history of the last 20years is based on the negativity projected about sland only to delay their independence.

Has anyone stepped back and said perhabs it is the solution towards regional peace and prosperity?

If you value and the union of 1960 to create the grand dream of Pan somalia of which only Somalia and Somaliland eventually achieved then you have to respect those who volunterly joined into a union together. Rather then force them to remain in an unproductive union why not allow them to temporalily dissolve the union in order so that all the 5 that were to makeup a union of all somalis can begin the dialogue needed to create Pan-Somalia.

Somaliland indepedence would positively enfluence independence of Ogadeen and independence of NFD. With all 5 independent the next mile stone is to begin how to create a mutually beneficial alliance, union, merger whatever form it may take. Denial of their right is an insutl to the union of 1960 and simply an imprisonment which creates an atmosphere that breeds hate and pushes us further from ever achieving any form fo political relations between the 5 could make a reality.

Hijacking the meaning of to represent only the union of 2 in 1960 is unjust to the intended realisation of pan-somalian union.

Advocacy to rebuild trust and cooperation is vital to the future of all somalis. We sacrifice a union of 2 on a gamble to possibilly get a union of 5. no risk no gain.

As always, you come up with practical solutions with the Somali Problem...

We have missed a 20year window of opportunity to build neccessary bridges to create trust, love and harmony between all somalis. The hijackers of the current political situation are intent on self defeat with their constipated arguements and lack of vision for a brighter future.

The biggest challenge is the gulf that exists between the political agendas and constraints imposed by irrational thoughts.

Unfortunately they have contaminated their next generation of how to continue the defeatist struggle.

Perhabs it is time you had a Warsangeli president and take a leap of faith of your own to achieve victory. The weakness is the east and the weakness is fear of change.

[mudugawi]

Cirwaaq, I agree with you on realisation of Somaliweyn. As one always needs to have a vision an ideal vision, a goal of a United strong Somalia. This vision is what we lack as Somalis. And it is because of this that the average Somali rather choices his qabiil ideals and fails to see the bigger picture, if you know what I mean.

On the other hand, its true that the current chaos is South has had a effect on all Somali regions. This had led to different administrations to create their own police force, council of elder, a parliament, cabinet of ministers and a president or a governor. This is a plausible thing, as the Somali problem has grassroots problems and the solution lies in building from base to roof. However, by not seeking to breakup Somalia will this threaten the rights and safety of the people of Somaliland region?

Nevertheless, Somaliland remains unrecognised, and its aspirations to independence are vigorously opposed by sections of the international community, especially the African Union (AU) and the League of Arab States. Successive resolutions issuing from these organizations and the European Union (EU) and UN have reaffirmed their recognition of the unity and territorial integrity of Somalia.

In spite of that, Somaliland ’s political leaders have long argued that their government is prepared to enter into dialogue with a southern government when one eventually emerges. Many observers, both Somali and international, have chosen to interpret such statements as evidence that Somaliland ’s commitment to independence remains flexible. If so, then it seems reasonable to expect that the formation of an interim Somali government could be followed by dialogue with Somaliland, leading to a mutually acceptable form of association.

[Cirwaaq]

The problem is the union.

The somalia state that existed in 1960 does not today. Let us assume somaliland changed it's regaining it's independence strategy and accepted the union.

1. What are the specific articles of this union, it charter, power sharing, Constitution, currency, foreign policy, stance on multiparty elections, stance on democracy, education standards, right of employment, settlement rights of diferent clans, etc

2. Will Somalia accept Somaliland as an equal if so. Since 1960 no somalilander has held the prosition of president. Are we willing to accept exclusive presidential allocation for equal time to somalilanders?

3. What will be the position of the Reunited republic of somalia on Ogadeen and NFD?

4. Will the pirates and shabab accept this move or should they both be bombed into submission?

5. Who is responsible for the nation dept of 2billion dollars, wasn't that money used to exterminate the people of somaliland?

6. Following reunification are we willing to sign an agreement if any of the above and all articles of the reunification are not adhered to by either state the reunification shall be dissolved and a 2 state solution accepted based on the 1960 borders?

The thing is even though Somalia leaders and population claims to be fighting for union, they do not understand the implication of a union and they are aware somaliland will never call their bluff.

20years of peace in majority of somaliland and puntland equates to the following:

- Most top jobs in the Reunification will go to people from Hargiesa, Borame and Bossasso,
- These cities already posses the wealth and will use the republic constitution that allows them to buy the best land and resources before the southerners have a chance, creating a northern owned republic with a southern slave labourers.

Due to inequity i assure you such reunion would fall apart before it's 1st birthday and we would be back in war.

Return to Preunion is a fairer option that protects the rights of all and specially the disadvantaged southern population that has had a tough 20years.

Union by all means, but not a foolish one that will lead to more hattered and war. A clean new union is far safer option for all and each of the 5 states that are able to join would have the opportunity to debate wether it suites their interests and hence can part join and reserve the right for full membership at a later date once it is able to compete with the others on equal footing.

[lali99]

Cirwaaq, I agree with you on realisation of Somaliweyn. As one always needs to have a vision an ideal vision, a goal of a United strong Somalia. This vision is what we lack as Somalis. And it is because of this that the average Somali rather choices his qabiil ideals and fails to see the bigger picture, if you know what I mean.

On the other hand, its true that the current chaos is South has had a effect on all Somali regions. This had led to different administrations to create their own police force, council of elder, a parliament, cabinet of ministers and a president or a governor. This is a plausible thing, as the Somali problem has grassroots problems and the solution lies in building from base to roof. However, by not seeking to breakup Somalia will this threaten the rights and safety of the people of Somaliland region?

Nevertheless, Somaliland remains unrecognised, and its aspirations to independence are vigorously opposed by sections of the international community, especially the African Union (AU) and the League of Arab States. Successive resolutions issuing from these organizations and the European Union (EU) and UN have reaffirmed their recognition of the unity and territorial integrity of Somalia.

In spite of that, Somaliland ’s political leaders have long argued that their government is prepared to enter into dialogue with a southern government when one eventually emerges. Many observers, both Somali and international, have chosen to interpret such statements as evidence that Somaliland ’s commitment to independence remains flexible. If so, then it seems reasonable to expect that the formation of an interim Somali government could be followed by dialogue with Somaliland, leading to a mutually acceptable form of association.

The full statement vis-a-vis sittting down with a southern government is to sing seccession agreement such as erithrea sign with ethiopia or others. Since it is the way that UN and African Union want us to go about our recognition, we will do it. Dont forget that Sl government said and repeated that our independance is non-negotiable since it is part of the constitution and not one group of people `government`is above the law of the country. Sl is govern by its people and its choice

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

How can you be thinking about "Somaliweyn" when you can't even rule "Somalia"? Ask any Somali government or region if they would like to join Somalia and you will get the same reply all across the board. Somaliland doesn't want you, neither does Djibouti, nor Somali Galbeed nor the NFD. Stop trying to get us to fix your mess, only you can fix it.