Re-establishment of the Holy Caliphate?

[Grant]

Folks,

Digest this:

http://www.degruyter.de/cont/fb/ge/deta ... 10190489-1

The conclusion is that the Ottoman Imperial legal code was a continuation of the Roman-Byzantine code. Shariah? Not really...... Shariah has never been successfully codified.

[The_Emperior5]

American Imperialism will be destroyed its just matter of time many great civilization were send to hell where is the Egyptian Empire today where are the so called Greeks today where are the Filthy Romans today poor and their leaders are getting persecuted for sexual assault against young Girls what a shame

Emperioir, undoubtedly sometime in the future the United States will not exist as a political entity. But the ideals it stands for such as freedom, democracy, equality, and the rights of man and citizen will live on through the ages. Civilizations and nations may die as political entities, but ideas live on, unless of course they’re discredited like Nazism. You gave the example of The Greeks, don’t you realize that their philosophies and ideas such as democracy continue to inspire to this day? Astistotle, Hobbes, Hippocrates and many other Greeks contributed ideas that still impact us today. And in the future the constitution and the decleration of indepdence will in someway impact future societies.

True that union i agree political entities and America as we know it will be gone but things Like democracy equality Human rights etc will be overwhelmed by another force a great ideology that is taken over the world which is now Called islam the western world calls it political islam with all its Culture since islam is a way of life which has its own Justice system Historical Civilization etc Those ideas will Vanish with the rise of islam since islam guides social and political as well as personal life.

[SahanGalbeed]

I have never heard of anyone back in Somalia , Djibouti or anywhere else {when I was a kid} calling for such a thing . I think it is a new phenomenon that has to do with all these failed states comprised of disenchanted muslims who think this must be their way out . Call me when y'all get your shi.t together
It looks good on paper but whether it is feasible or not is another topic .

[Grant]

Islamic Imperialism

"The House of Islam’s war for world mastery is traditional, indeed venerable, and it is a quest that is far from over."

http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book ... 0300106033

[union]

American Imperialism will be destroyed its just matter of time many great civilization were send to hell where is the Egyptian Empire today where are the so called Greeks today where are the Filthy Romans today poor and their leaders are getting persecuted for sexual assault against young Girls what a shame

Emperioir, undoubtedly sometime in the future the United States will not exist as a political entity. But the ideals it stands for such as freedom, democracy, equality, and the rights of man and citizen will live on through the ages. Civilizations and nations may die as political entities, but ideas live on, unless of course they’re discredited like Nazism. You gave the example of The Greeks, don’t you realize that their philosophies and ideas such as democracy continue to inspire to this day? Astistotle, Hobbes, Hippocrates and many other Greeks contributed ideas that still impact us today. And in the future the constitution and the decleration of indepdence will in someway impact future societies.

True that union i agree political entities and America as we know it will be gone but things Like democracy equality Human rights etc will be overwhelmed by another force a great ideology that is taken over the world which is now Called islam the western world calls it political islam with all its Culture since islam is a way of life which has its own Justice system Historical Civilization etc Those ideas will Vanish with the rise of islam since islam guides social and political as well as personal life.

Emperioir Islam and freedom, liberty, democracy, equality, and the many enlightened principles that have come out of human civilization can certainly co-exist, and most Muslims eagerly endorse this. Only a few “Muslims” who are obsessed with the idea of a radical political islam ruling over the whole world and stamping out all other ideas are the ones the world has a problem with and have a problem with the world.

[AhmedBoqor]

What do you think, lets end secularism and create one of the strongest islamic forces in the world

[The_Emperior5]

Union sxb democracy as in choosing you're leaders is oke and not unislamic

Gay marriage is also democracy we reject that equality for the gays and Lesbians to marry each other like other Humans
The Same as freedom of expression with no limit is also part of their democracy we reject that to
Equality is something we welcome but Neo Capitalism rejects this.
Freedom of leaving Islam is not acceptable in Islam

[Advo]

[ToughGong]

. Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal extracted that Huthayfah (RA) has said that the Prophet (SAW) said: "The Prophecy will remain amongst you as long as Allah wills, then when Allah will he will take it away. Then it will be Khilafah Rashidah for as long as Allah wishes. Then when he wishes he will take it away. Then there will be hereditary leadership for as long as Allah wills. Then when Allah wills he will take it away. And then there will be tyrannical rule for as long as Allah wills. Then when he wills he will take it away. Then there will be a Khilafah on the method of the Prophet. And then the Prophet (SAW) remained silent." [Musnad Imam Ahmed 4/273]

It's all going according to plan,this is where we are now.

And then there will be tyrannical rule for as long as Allah wills.

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[union]

Union sxb democracy as in choosing you're leaders is oke and not unislamic

Gay marriage is also democracy we reject that equality for the gays and Lesbians to marry each other like other Humans
The Same as freedom of expression with no limit is also part of their democracy we reject that to
Equality is something we welcome but Neo Capitalism rejects this.
Freedom of leaving Islam is not acceptable in Islam

Emperioir of course we will choose our leaders. The leader has to be accountable to the people. If a leader is not voted in, he can easily become a tyrannical despot who rules based on his whims rather than the will of the people. Sovereignty belongs to the citizenry, we merely lend it to the government and leaders so that they may wield it with our knowledge and consent. If they trample on this sacred trust, then we have a right to reform or remove that government. If you are saying that Islam opposes democracy, you are making Islam synonymous with despotism and tyranny and that is simply unacceptable and inaccurate.

Gay marriage is a small issue and not something that is of paramount importance or enough to undermine the many benefits of democracy. Liberal Democracy protects the rights of all people, and in order to ensure our own rights we must respect the rights of other people even if we disagree with them so long as they don’t cause harm to the society. Undoubtedly gays expressing their sexuality does not cause harm to a society.

And lastly in the Qu’ran itself it says “let there be no compulsion of religion” thus Islam supports liberty of conscious. Faith is not something you can compel someone into it, it’s a choice individuals make and they should be able to express their devotion or lack thereof any way they like

[ToughGong]

Gay marriage is a small issue and not something that is of paramount importance

So Allah (swt) send Prohphet Ludd as an example for those that practice this despicable act for something that's not of "a paramount importance"

[1nemansquad]

not until 60-70 years when Israel is the sole super power and shitting on everybody, then you will know its time furthermore in the next decade or even less if Pakistan is attacked (only Muslim country with nuclear power) by Israel and the West you know things are underway

America is only making way for Israel

[The_Emperior5]

Union i have nothing against Muslims electing their leaders and asking the public for votes its very much Islamic what i do have a problem with the democracy that clearly shows un islamic principles and morals, i will give you an example freedom of expression democracy of the west will easily tell you that freedom of expression is a human right given to all the Humans they also don't distinguish freedom of insult from freedom of expression.Here is where the fundamental clash of civilizations between our Islamic World and their Democratic Values starts. As for Gay marriage its unislamic to us Muslims not to them they can do it but why are we forced to accept their values and Animalistic behaviors.Why should my daughter ask me daddy Benjamin has two daddies why should my kids grow up in such a society why are we encouraging this kind of life style?

[Colonel]

not until 60-70 years when Israel is the sole super power and shitting on everybody, then you will know its time furthermore in the next decade or even less if Pakistan is attacked (only Muslim country with nuclear power) by Israel and the West you know things are underway

America is only making way for Israel

i disagree with you, with the current world situation i believe that we will see a big change in the next few years perhaps even within a decade. having said that Allahu a'lam.

Emperioir of course we will choose our leaders. The leader has to be accountable to the people. If a leader is not voted in, he can easily become a tyrannical despot who rules based on his whims rather than the will of the people. Sovereignty belongs to the citizenry, we merely lend it to the government and leaders so that they may wield it with our knowledge and consent. If they trample on this sacred trust, then we have a right to reform or remove that government. If you are saying that Islam opposes democracy, you are making Islam synonymous with despotism and tyranny and that is simply unacceptable and inaccurate.

Gay marriage is a small issue and not something that is of paramount importance or enough to undermine the many benefits of democracy. Liberal Democracy protects the rights of all people, and in order to ensure our own rights we must respect the rights of other people even if we disagree with them so long as they don’t cause harm to the society. Undoubtedly gays expressing their sexuality does not cause harm to a society.

And lastly in the Qu’ran itself it says “let there be no compulsion of religion” thus Islam supports liberty of conscious. Faith is not something you can compel someone into it, it’s a choice individuals make and they should be able to express their devotion or lack thereof any way they like

this dude will probably get sad when the khilafa returns, if he leaves long enough to see it that is.

[union]

Union i have nothing against Muslims electing their leaders and asking the public for votes its very much Islamic what i do have a problem with the democracy that clearly shows un islamic principles and morals, i will give you an example freedom of expression democracy of the west will easily tell you that freedom of expression is a human right given to all the Humans they also don't distinguish freedom of insult from freedom of expression.Here is where the fundamental clash of civilizations between our Islamic World and their Democratic Values starts. As for Gay marriage its unislamic to us Muslims not to them they can do it but why are we forced to accept their values and Animalistic behaviors.Why should my daughter ask me daddy Benjamin has two daddies why should my kids grow up in such a society why are we encouraging this kind of life style?

Emperioir you must realize that the world is a very big and diverse place. Either we learn to get along and tolerate one another or we will be fighting constantly. Freedom of expression is a right that people have in liberal democracies, but I agree that inflammatory rhetoric and slander is not very effective in getting one’s points across and there are legal ways of resolving cases in which an individual has been defamed wrongly. We should settle issues through the courts like civilized people and not resort to violence like barbarians. As for the gays, I don’t understand why you seem so fixated on the sexual orientation of a small minority, their lifestyle choices we are going to have to tolerate. You should teach your daughter to respect all people while holding firm to her beliefs. I’m sure your daughter has non Muslim classmates that go home afterschool and ask their parents “Why does Halima in my class cover her hair?” “Why does Halima not eat pork” “Why does Halima leave class to pray” etc etc, wouldn’t you expect the parents of those kids to tell them to respect the differences of their classmates? You must realize Emperioir that the world is not just made up of Muslims, indeed many forget that there are 5 billion non Muslims and we will need to get along with them somehow.