Mogadshu ppl...

[waryaa]

lol - pat, no1 is denying the fact that we are in disarray at the moment but the question is should we fuel our shortcomings further and pass it to the next generation or should we question our forefathers' way of life and challenge it if necessary? Are you brave enough to think outside of the box

[The_Patriot]

lol - pat, no1 is denying the fact that we are in disarray at the moment but the question is should we fuel our shortcomings further and pass it to the next generation or should we question our forefathers' way of life and challenge it if necessary? Are you brave enough to think outside of the box

Brah its upto you do you want to dream about peace? the bottom line is what is happening in the ground level and what transpired.

[eliteSomali]

rep, i suspected u were voltage coz we had this discussion qabil/qabyalad b4
edit: some called u voltage and I was like - i knew it.

elite - u r my ambassador and real somali brotha As you can see in this discussion there others who think like u and me although we are a tiny minority. We (somalis) have been widely infected by this disease very long time ago. Alhamdulilah, rejecting qabil mentality opened uncountable doors for me and I can visit and live in all parts of Somalia today. Even on this board I have very good friends from hargeisa to bardhere to kilinka shanad - I am sure none of clan propellers here can say that. When you are into clan politics you reduce your horizons and limit your human resources.

For those of u who were irritated by the fact that Mogaishonians vacate streets at prayer time, you must be missing the meaning of Salah in Islamic teaching.

Patriot: we can't have a whole generation of pessimists now can we? The only thing left for us is hope so at least allow us that.

[Faranacab]

Patriot, I see you still can't agree to disagree,..

[FBIPUNTLAND]

warya stop lying you never been to Bosaso or Galkacyo.

[Awe]

warya, nice generalization there sxb, cause you seen everyone in Mogadishu going to perform salat right?

Also, how come you didn't answer my pm?

I'll tell you all one thing, Somalia never existed, Somalinimo never existed. Imagine how Somali lands would've turned out had colonials not invaded our lands and forced us to unite under one banner. Remember this is the reason the bloodshed started, they gave us something to fight over; power to rule over one another. If these fuckers never came, we would've had a natural process to nationhood, it would go exactly how it's going right now, every clan ruling their regions, and there would be no animosity between us since there is nothing to fight over.

Qabil is our culture, it's our heritage, how could we try to act like it doesn't exist? Smh at these brainwashed kids growing up in the west who think their western mentality is the only way forward.

[nomadicwarlord]

All the Palestinians that sell alcohol in drive-through find time to pray too.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Waryaa, you seem extremely judgmental not the least bit without some serious deficiency in how you measure and calibrate your rationalization. You need to separate qabyaalad from qabiil and while in the case of Somalia I know that may be hard, but qabiil has done many good things. You can't say qabiil is all good and neither can you say it is all bad. However, I think in your case (and I hope you forgive me for this) you are among those who believe acculturation to "civilization" is having had zero knowledge or interaction with the culture of your ancestry.

For example, in my case, my clan helped us escape Mogadishu, they helped us attain shelter for a small period, and since then I have continuously seen the power of clan. They say there aren't any orphans in Somalia and that is because of clan. Somalis building hospitals, schools, and airports in the provinces is due to strong clan links. Somalis allowing remittances to sustain their lives is due to the trust of clan ties. Somalis pooling resources together (qaaraan) to help a person in need is because of clan. How many times have I seen this?

You are a big man please calibrate your choice of words in that regard.

p.s. The story you presented has nothing to do with Somali culture and I don't know how it supports your premise about clan. Just seems like family drama. If it was a clan issue it would be the father's family vs. the mother.

I am goin' to have to disagree with you on that. There is absolutely no way to distinguish qabyaalad from qabiil as the former is direct resultant of the latter. Second if you think you were saved by your qabiil all the way from muqdisho, then also acknowledge that your life was in danger all the way from muqdisho because of a qabiil. Hence y the need for ur qabiil to save you. Qabiil offers us nothing praiseworthy. The only thing it does is give people this crazy, false self-destructive feeling of pride where they honestly think they are better other people because they belong to certain clan. Xamples of that is present in here. When certain clan thinks they can build their regions and build skyscrapers, and planes and highly advanced cars in a few years because they think they are inherently more intelligent than the rest of the somalis. When it ostracizes certain qabiils on the grounds of 'qabiil inferiority' and deny them integration with other qabiils by marrige. When certain folks think their respective deegaans are more advanced as if they are living in London in terms of infrastructure and roads when we all know all of somalia is shyt. These kinds of delusions are what qabiil offers. Qabiil has gotten to the unfortunate Xtent where the politics of somalia has been qabiilized. If I run for office today, despite my complete lack of Xpereince and my scarce knowledge for politics, I can almost guarantee members of my qabiil to vote for me and support me. Inversely, a man right for the will be harshly censured and opposed. Do you realized the dangers of that? When you have to clans fighting over a land which can house,feed and enrich them both. When it continues to kill: it offers us nothing positive. No a single thing. I am actually surprised that grown men would consider this destructive element of our society to be good.

Wow, my sentiments exactly.

If you are doing a clinical trial and you develop a drug that has serious side-affects - more serious than the disease it tries to treat - then you get rid of it and start again. Qabiil is is the same thing. It has many positive aspects but the negative side far out-weighs the good. Anyone who thinks otherweise is just deluding themeselves and looking at things through qabiil goggles and thus proving the point.

[The`Republic]

Some of you are so confused about the nature of idealism you wish to evoke you don't even know where to start. These types of discussion always bore and irritate me at the same time. It just seems so superficial.

[Faranacab]

^^On tribal politics, like a deep sea diving, you need to go slow.

For the last 30 years tribal politics have been discussed, argued, tried for rebuilding, resolving and reconciliation, but only hate and destruction was inherited. The 4.5 system was the last trial and it utterly failed. Soon you will find tribal politics to be most sensitive thing to talk about. People learned in the hard way and they are politically matured pretty much. They found an alternative ways to identify themselves, to develop their mini states, to rebuild their regional and districts.