Somalia has more important priorities than talks with Sland

[The`Republic]

Consolidate the gains of Mogadishu, capture Kismaayo, Baardheere, stablize Baydhabo, Beled-Weyne, unite central Somalia, and tackle Puntland's misunderstanding about federalism vs. autonomy. Pass the transition, bring back the institutions of state, build up a capable security force, increase political transparency and oversight, draft a sound justice system, let the people breathe again...bring back the Somali state within the borders to those who still look to the blue and white star flag.


At this stage in the list of priorities, Somaliland should be thus:

1. Defeat Shabaab
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100. Talk with Somaliland

[gurey25]

At this stage in the list of priorities

Unfortunately the timing of these talks is not decided by Somalia but by its benefactors .
They will not produce anything important in the mean time but they will take years.

We in Somaliland do not expect anything to come out of these talks, but we are making political capital from them
regardless of their success.

[The`Republic]

Gurey, you have long become a broken record.

[gurey25]

how? by pointing out the obvious?

i am just reminding you that Somalia is not sovereign.

thats all..

i am grounding you in reality.

[The`Republic]

No, you are right about that. But the part about political capital and how Somaliland will fare. It's a familiar mantra from your part. If half of Hargeisa burned right now, somehow that will help recognition in your calibrations.

[The_Patriot]

Slowly enters the thread.....grabs popcorn and gets himself a favorable position and joins the audience.

[gurey25]

Sorry my friend but the world does not operate according to your prejudices .
in your state of mind Somaliland is in the same situation as Somalia if not worse.
It is a rogue clan enclave with delusions of granduer as in equally without sovereignty and under the full control of international organizations like somalia.

When the reality is very very different.

Your whole thinking is clouded by what i assume to be clan prejudices or nostalgia for your old short lived kingdom , i dont really care what it is.

While i fully appreciate the difficulties around the quest for recognition.

[The`Republic]

Pat, Gurey and I are good pals on Snet. Ha isku kaayo dirin

Gurey, obviously I know the issue is close to your heart and you can get very sentimental about it so my bad if I try to separate you from your aspirations.

[gurey25]

All i can say is lets just wait and see.. both of us do not have any impact on these events all we can do is watch.

but we will see who's perception of reality is closer to the whats actually happening.

sentimentality aside , i like to run simulations in my head, war-games if you like and to get a better grasp of events or predict trends.

In these simulations i always take the opposing side for example i am anti Assad but i try to simulate scenarios on how he defeats the rebellion using every method available . Its very difficult and i haven't even come close to identifying all the possible factors... i have put this on ice...

In the past i have simulated successfully how Somaliland can be undermined politically and defeated militarily .
i have 6 very detailed simulations using only available resources to the opposition.

as for accuracy no one can accurately predict outcomes, especially political issues but military scenarios can be very accurate due to the huge amount of data available.

of-course i wont share them ,

[Somalistan]

Wiilkan yar ee Republic Nacasnimadiisa xad dhaaf ah. are you liberal or conservative he asks people of Snet? A Muslim person is asking whether a Muslim nation is liberal or conservative? He is as dumb jaahil as they come.

[udun]

The 'Republic is right. TFG should consolidate its power, build its institutions, and then tackle issues such as territorial integrity later on. We shall watch and see how it develops.

[Thuganomics]

Voltagena Somaliland baa masqaxda ka wastey
Waar even if these talks are held for a hundred days nothing will come from them.These talks are been puhed by the benefctors like gurey said
Markaa we SLders are just going through the motions idinkuna waxbaad moodeen.We only gets thing done when events are constructed from the bottom up
Yacni when the general populace are pushing the agenda not some politicians from foreign shores

[Khalid Ali]

Guray is right Somaliland statement today on the talks between Somaliland and Somalia

HARGEISA (Somaliland.Org) – Somaliland is more than willing to have constructive discussions with the TFG or its successor about clarifying our future relations, and about matters of mutual interest, including the fight against terrorism, piracy and jihadism.

This was informed by Somaliland’s minister of foreign affairs and international, Dr Mohamed Abdilahi Omar in a letter addressed to the Rt Hon William Hague MP Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs Foreign & Commonwealth Office and copied to Baroness Ashton of Upholland PC, High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy & Vice President of the European Commission as well as Jonas Gahr Støre, Foreign Minister of Norway .

Dr Mohamed is currently in the UK where he is leading the country’s Technical committee for Somali talks that are to begin in London. Other members of the committee are leader of opposition political party of UCID Hon Feisal Ali Warabe, MP Bashe Mohamed Farah- 1st Deputy speaker of parliament, Ministers of the presidency and that of Labour & Social Affairs Hon Hirsi Ali and Hon Mahmoud Ahmed Barre (Garaad) respectively.

Below are the full verbatim excerpts of the letter by Somaliland’s Foreign affairs minister

To: Rt Hon William Hague MP

Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs Foreign & Commonwealth Office

King Charles St London SW1A 2AH

19 June 2012

Dear Foreign Secretary,

I would like to take the opportunity of my imminent arrival in the United Kingdom to set out the views of the Government of Somaliland on the end of the transitional period in Somalia on 20 August, and to foreshadow my Government’s approach to the upcoming talks between Somaliland and the TFG.

Somaliland has a strong interest in seeing stability re-established in our neighbour, Somalia. We therefore welcome the positive developments which have taken place there in recent months, including progress towards bringing the transition period to an end. At the same time, we pay tribute to the sacrifices made by AMISOM troops and to the important support of the international community, which have helped to bring this about.

Three decades after the voluntary union between the former British Protectorate of Somaliland and Italian Somalia in July 1960, Somaliland was driven to reclaim its independence from Somalia in 1991. This decision was not taken lightly. It followed the systematic discrimination and grave human rights abuses committed against our people by the Siyad Barre regime, and the ensuing war which saw the deaths over 50,000 of our citizens, the displacement of hundreds of thousands of others, and the destruction of our capital, Hargeisa.

Since then, Somaliland has been successful in building peace, establishing a democratic form of government and delivering services to its people. We have done this by means of an indigenous, bottom-up process. In 2001, following a referendum which received the overwhelming support of the people of Somaliland, our country adopted a new constitution, which reaffirmed that the national territory of the independent Republic of Somaliland is identical to that of the Somaliland Protectorate, to which Britain granted independence in June 1960. Subsequent elections, which were deemed free and fair by international monitors, have elected governments firmly committed

Given this history, it is unacceptable to Somaliland that the new draft Somalia constitution might purport to lay claim to our country. Somaliland emphatically rejects any such claim on our national territory. However, Somaliland is more than willing to have constructive discussions with the TFG or its successor about clarifying our future relations, and about matters of mutual interest, including the fight against terrorism, piracy and jihadism. Somaliland is grateful to the United Kingdom, Norway and the European Union for agreeing to co-host the exploratory talks on 21 June. We will approach those discussions in good faith and in a spirit of cooperation with a view to reinforcing and building peace and stability in the Horn.

We ask that the international community now accept the reality that Somaliland is independent, and that promoting a dialogue between two sovereign entities in Hargeisa and Mogadishu will only aid our shared objective of securing a peaceful, stable Horn of Africa. I would be most grateful to you if you would bring this letter to the attention of His Excellency the Secretary General of the United Nations, as well as to the other Members of the UN Security Council. Please accept, Foreign Secretary, the assurances of my highest consideration.

Dr Mohamed A. Omar

Minister of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation

Republic of Somaliland

[AbdiWahab252]

I disagree. Somaliland talks should have priority over any chats with Puntland. Today, Somaliland has shown to be ProSomali than the Somalidiid regime in Garowe.