Debating with Somali atheist.

[blackstars25]

there are billions of people in this world that either 1. have not heard about islam 2. have not heard about islam in its correct form. and according to islam these people do not go to hell.



seems like a pretty good deal to me

[FarhanYare]

why waste ur time talking to a somali atheist. just behead him

look at this idiot, you cant behead someone just because he is atheist

[waryaa]

grandpa, is this gonna be your next experiment? We've already seen shabab and weed

[Tuba]

So I was debating a Somali atheist, respecfully of course. Until he dropped a puzzling question that got me hella stumped. He said, "If God did exist why didn't he use a booming voice to inform the world that they should worship him instead of sending messengers?

I didn't know how to respond.

He also asked, "If God exists why did he place to spy angels if he's All-Hearing and All Seeing.

I was like wtf...

How would you have responded?

The first question is essentially flawed, in that the premise is flawed. If God's existence is in doubt, then the conditions that would cause him to "use a booming voice to inform the world..." is also in doubt. Therefore, one must start with certainity. God exists, or God doesn't exist. But for the sake of argument, let us take their argument at face value and see if we can come to some insight.

Let us first ask ourselves, what conditions are put upon Allah (a)? Can anything other than Allah put conditions on him(b)? And what Conditions is Allah putting on us (c)?

(a) That He should annouce his existence. Two, that He should do it in the manner this atheist proscribes.
-So this atheist is (one) negating the possibility that Allah through his mercy has not announced or made evident His existence to mankind clear but done it through messengers, and (two) that Allah should do what the atheist demands in a matter he sees fitting.

(b) What is the definition of Allah (one)? And what does it mean for anything other than Allah to put conditions on him (two)?
-(one) Allah is the Absolute, the All-Powerful, the Able, the Pre-Existent without origin, the Eternal without end, Imaginations cannot attain Him; comprehensions cannot perceive Him, and much more. (two) For anything other than Allah to put conditions on Him, does it not make Him other than Allah?

(c) That we should worshim Him.
-So Allah in this relationship is the one who Imposes the conditions.

So looking at this question I find the questioner confused and illogical. If Allah is putting conditions on us by the right He is Allah, then we have no right or ability to put conditions on Allah. So how can we question Him for sending messengers, which implies the atheist believes that Allah exists because the messengers that were not sufficient for him. What about what was left behind by the Messengers i.e. the scriptures. Also, the only people that are most in need of such reassurance is those who disbeleive, and those who deny are in the least position to ask for anything since they obviously cannot command Allah to do anything. Whose interest is it to believe? The onus is on us and not on Him, to believe, and to worship, because we are the dependent on the independent, and He is the independent.

One of the most insightful posts I've come across, masha'Allah.

[Tuba]

As PO pointed out the premise of the question is flawed and questions posed to theists generally follow the same pattern. If one is able to recognise these patterns it becomes much easier to debunk them. Intuition tells us what a silly question that is and more often it is because our intuition is correct. The worst thing you can probably do is answer the question as it is.

It reminds me of a certain question similar to the OP's asked at a gathering. It posed "If God is All Powerful and can create everything, can he create a circle with four sides?"A very witty girl replied with "God did create a circle with four sides, we just decided to call it a square!"

[SultanOrder]

tuba

[miskeen86]

why waste ur time talking to a somali atheist. just behead him

look at this idiot, you cant behead someone just because he is atheist

Yes I can. are you atheist? if yes, give me ur exact location and i will take care of you.

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