Somali Shias

[Arabman]

Sorry to bluntly put it but why would Allah (SWT) be pleased with the brutal murderer of the grandson of the Holy Prophet (SAW)

We cannot grasp Allah's hikmah. Yazid (RA) could have repented for his sins and done many good deeds.

There should be zero tolerance of extremist language.

What about when some use such language and call al-Shabaab barbarian, extremist, khariiji, inhuman, bound for hell, kebab, kelab, etc? LeJusticier has used such language, and even you. You guys/gals should stop the hypocrisy.

[Suzie]

Do you think its possible for you to become a shia muslim at some point in time? I ask you this because of your willingness to discuss shia'sm and also saying we should be open minded about this sect. if you are indeed a practising sunni, its a very strange topic to chose to be open minded about

Why shouldn't we discuss it? We should ask ourselves why our Sunni scholars are so uneasy about us looking into the path of Ahlul Bayt. If we are so confident that the Sunni sect is the right path then we should be comfortable enough to explore the theologies of different sects in Islam and see how and why they differ from us. Unless of course we have something to hide.

It's not right for us to quickly dismiss something without exploring it first.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Suzie you dont have to be afraid, just come out of the closet.
Shiasm has no future in Somalia. You know why? If you are somali shia, then know there is also somali atheist, somali islambasher(ayaan hersi ali), somali faggot, somali secuarlist, somali terrorists.
We were followers of quran and sunnah before some arab countries converted to islam.
It is like converting Ethiopian orthodox christians to Evangelical christians. Wont work.

[saacJabshee]

Do you think its possible for you to become a shia muslim at some point in time? I ask you this because of your willingness to discuss shia'sm and also saying we should be open minded about this sect. if you are indeed a practising sunni, its a very strange topic to chose to be open minded about

Why shouldn't we discuss it? We should ask ourselves why our Sunni scholars are so uneasy about us looking into the path of Ahlul Bayt. If we are so confident that the Sunni sect is the right path then we should be comfortable enough to explore the theologies of different sects in Islam and see how and why they differ from us. Unless of course we have something to hide.

It's not right for us to quickly dismiss something without exploring it first.

Am no expert myself.

Suzie how can you entertain a debate or even a discussion with a group of people who believe malaku jabreel made a mistake by giving revelations to Muhammad PBUH instead of Ali inbu abi dalib ra. I mean how does that sit with you. Angels never make mistake, never have, never will. That's one of the reasons why they are different from us. They have no choice. They say Sab'can waa ada'can. We however have a choice they dont. So you can see their basics is flawed big time. Now if they believe this are you telling me they might still be correct? me dont think so. If you do though Suzie, please tell me why.

[Cherine]

Lol@I'm a practising Sunni. Enough of the taqiyyah.

[Suzie]

alsahaba were human and they disagreed on political level and not religion issue. get over it all. no one will ask you their deeds.

Your are right no one will ask us about their deeds. However, the Sahaba is the example that we follow and derive our knowledge from and when their disagreements have turned into bloodshed then it is an obligation for us to find out what went wrong.

When we take this hadith for example:

"My companions are like stars, whichever of them you follow, you will be guided"

And then after the demise of the Prophet (SAW) some turned against and killed each other and to still believe that ALL the companions should be trusted and followed, goes against reason.

One party must have been on the Haqq

[Suzie]

Do you think its possible for you to become a shia muslim at some point in time? I ask you this because of your willingness to discuss shia'sm and also saying we should be open minded about this sect. if you are indeed a practising sunni, its a very strange topic to chose to be open minded about

Why shouldn't we discuss it? We should ask ourselves why our Sunni scholars are so uneasy about us looking into the path of Ahlul Bayt. If we are so confident that the Sunni sect is the right path then we should be comfortable enough to explore the theologies of different sects in Islam and see how and why they differ from us. Unless of course we have something to hide.

It's not right for us to quickly dismiss something without exploring it first.

Am no expert myself.

Suzie how can you entertain a debate or even a discussion with a group of people who believe malaku jabreel made a mistake by giving revelations to Muhammad PBUH instead of Ali inbu abi dalib ra. I mean how does that sit with you. Angels never make mistake, never have, never will. That's one of the reasons why they are different from us. They have no choice. They say Sab'can waa ada'can. We however have a choice they dont. So you can see their basics is flawed big time. Now if they believe this are you telling me they might still be correct? me dont think so. If you do though Suzie, please tell me why.

Show me in their books where they state that Jibra'il made a mistake or better yet go ask a Shia. We us Muslims should know what propaganda looks like. You are repeating false unverified rumors passed down to us by our Sunni brothers without hearing it straight from the horses mouth.

If you want the truth about their beliefs and practices then go to them directly. Why ask the opposition? That would be like asking Hitler what he thinks of Jews

[Cherine]

Suzie this is for you. {Surah Al Baqarah:verse134}

تِلْكَ أُمَّةٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَلَكُم مَّا كَسَبْتُمْ وَلاَ تُسْأَلُونَ عَمَّا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُون

Those are a people that have passed away, for them is that which they have earned, and for you is what you earn, and you shall not be questioned as to what they did.

[saacJabshee]

Suzie when allah has said prophet mohammed PBUH is the final messanger and shia's say ali ra is supposed to have been a messenger what does that tell you? Why should we debate them. Kalamullah is final.

[Suzie]

Suzie this is for you. {Surah Al Baqarah:verse134}

تِلْكَ أُمَّةٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَلَكُم مَّا كَسَبْتُمْ وَلاَ تُسْأَلُونَ عَمَّا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُو

Those are a people that have passed away, for them is that which they have earned, and for you is what you earn, and you shall not be questioned as to what they did.

JazakAllah for the reminder. However, it does not take away from the fact that it is important for us to know the early history of Islam and what took place, and we cannot do that without analysing the earlier leading examples that we follow till this day. Of course Allah (SWT) will not ask us about the deeds of another because each individual is responsible for their own actions BUT we will be held accountable on who we took as leaders.

"The Day will surely come when we shall summon every people with their leader" (Qur'an, 17:71)

[Hyperactive]

there is a lot went wrong historically, and only when you stop thinking of them as saints you will master your religion. do you thi k you are the first one ever try to analize history of early muslims? done and if you check them, you find your own veiws was presented million times through hunders of years. we are where we are cause not we follow them cause we are human just like them.

i dont know your age but the stage you are now i was when i was 8 and i remember first time i told my seerah teacher, i hate moawiya and omar bin aas ( dahiyat al qreish) as they called him. once you learn the political and mentality that age and tribal stage , you understand. also i very understood muslim these age and time havent change a bit. every time i look around me, in real life and online is like im seeing my history book in grade 3.

botton line is, there are human and will be human making mistakes, we have quran, and many ahadeeths are not even authenticated but still we study in our islamic universities as one! yeah compare then in the light of quran and if not fit it, throw them.

my own convolution, Ali was a7aq fil khilafah, but is that core in my aqeedah, hell no. that is political view and i could be deadly wrong. that makes me shia? hell no.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Shiikh Hyper, what is a7aq fil khilafaha? U mean he deserved the caliphate more than the Shaykhain aleyhum salaam?
Such belief does not make someone a rafidhi.
It is very normal. Some companions did prefer Ali a.s .

[Hyperactive]

yes brother, but some people mix between al3aqeedah and political disagreement. to be fair it's from both sides so called sunnah and shia.

personally, i used to go to hussaniyat, in mowlad and 3ashura, behind my father to just see shia in action and their leaders and not from books or sunnas point of view. i disagree their "gholow/ exaggeration" of sahaba. and you see sunis who idolize sahabah and exaggerate them too and makes them like angels and not human.

learned people are more tolerant and less emotion.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

I wouldnt have problems with shias if they made this political issue. But they turned in religion in which they make takfiir on the sahaba.

For example i prefer Ali a.s above Uthman a.s. but that is personal opinion. Iam not making takfiir on uthman or saying that he is weak and munafiq(nauzibillah).

[Cherine]

Allah s.w.t didn't send us Hussein or Abu Bakr but He sent us Prophet Muhammed{pbuh} with the Qur'an. He is our Leader. Focus on your own shortcomings instead of trying to find fault with people who are long dead.