there's no need for conflicts in south somalia

[sahal80]

According to some study

Up to 40 million people can be fed and live between the two rivers alone(shabelle and jubba)

There will be laws concerning the citizenship(xaq al mowatana) and all will have to live peacefully in south somalia under the government.

The federalism who's anti- the citizenship sense will not be adopted.

[LightAtNight]

This is with the assumption that things are well managed.

[original dervish]

The problem is not the people.....it's the criminal regime that's the problem.

[Even123]

Brother sahal you seem to know more then you let us to believe, sxb tell us what kind of new laws will be introduced and how is the constitution refix by Minister Faarax going, is it going well with centralism???

[sahal80]

According to some study



The federalism who's anti- the citizenship sense will not be adopted.

Brother sahal I don't understand on what you mean this, please explain.

Vision2016 states some thing like this/maa macnaahu: any federal state should consist multi-clan and thnic-populations instead of being based on one clan.

There will be referendum in every district backed by the UN office and some NGOs

There will be legislations concening the citizens rights

Example, like in the US, when your moving from a state to another all you need is to do registrations so you can have the same rights of any other citizen in that state.

In other words, we will not adopt what is going now in the somali regions wich lacks the sense of citizenship as a federal system

In some way the conflicts are helping the govt to impose its centralist vision

There's no any federalism type that has yet been adopted.

[Substance]

South has the most resourceful regions and thus will have more conflicts until a winner takes all or agreements are been made via dialouge amongst the different clan and subclan factions. It's probably true that conflict helps the central oriented gov in xamar but it also have negative parts a classical double-edged sword, from the lower shabelle conflict to the kismayo conflict, the gov and particular the president has been viewed as clannish, weak and desperate. The people of south have largely lost the hope they had on him and his gov and this makes it hard to implement his policies. Little will be achieved until 2016.

[sahal80]

South has the most resourceful regions and thus will have more conflicts until a winner takes all or agreements are been made via dialouge amongst the different clan and subclan factions. It's probably true that conflict helps the central oriented gov in xamar but it also have negative parts a classical double-edged sword, from the lower shabelle conflict to the kismayo conflict, the gov and particular the president has been viewed as clannish, weak and desperate. The people of south have largely lost the hope they had on him and his gov and this makes it hard to implement his policies. Little will be achieved until 2016.

govt doesn't act in a clanish way it just supports these conflicts in order to replace them according to the end justify the means

Instead of removing shabelle, she would go for negotiation first to limit the biimaal power

The same thing goes for jubba.

You don't see the govt supporting HWY state etc


Tarsan had a parliament backed project of dividing banadir and creating special district for the capital yet the villa has opposed it.

[Substance]

Im speaking in the eyes of people and those on the ground , this goverment can use all the strategies there is in the book but once it has been seen as clannish the dmg is done and thats what happen. Noone really takes this gov for serious. Not the neighbors, not IGAD, not the UN and others donors, and not the people of the south.

[Rabshoole]

South has the most resourceful regions and thus will have more conflicts until a winner takes all or agreements are been made via dialouge amongst the different clan and subclan factions. It's probably true that conflict helps the central oriented gov in xamar but it also have negative parts a classical double-edged sword, from the lower shabelle conflict to the kismayo conflict, the gov and particular the president has been viewed as clannish, weak and desperate. The people of south have largely lost the hope they had on him and his gov and this makes it hard to implement his policies. Little will be achieved until 2016.

govt doesn't act in a clanish way it just supports these conflicts in order to replace them according to the end justify the means

Instead of removing shabelle, she would go for negotiation first to limit the biimaal power

The same thing goes for jubba.

You don't see the govt supporting HWY state etc


Tarsan had a parliament backed project of dividing banadir and creating special district for the capital yet the villa has opposed it.

Fixed, speak on what you really mean.

[Chinaman]

In a few years meesha oo dhan walaalaheen Jareerweyne baa la wareegi doona by sheer numbers and their rate of popping out babies. Farmers>Nomads

In the meantime farodheer can keep on killing each other.

[sahal80]

Im speaking in the eyes of people and those on the ground , this goverment can use all the strategies there is in the book but once it has been seen as clannish the dmg is done and thats what happen. Noone really takes this gov for serious. Not the neighbors, not IGAD, not the UN and others donors, and not the people of the south.

Sxb anika horta lawyer cidna oma ihi laakin waxaan la socdaa siyaasada dolada

Hadii aan arintaan ka hadlo; wadanka khaasatan koonfurta waxaa ka dhacay boob iyo qalalaase badan, waxee somalidu sameyaan wax la dhoho iska koobin copy gareen. Masalan shirkii 93gii ee addis waxaa lagu dhisay wixii hub leh inee imaadaan waxaa meeshaas ka dhashey in qabiilkaste hubka qaato!

Hada waxaa socdo federal sttate qabiilkastana woo copy gareeyay!

Waa jahwareer aan xal ka dhalan karin!

Qaabka ay wax o wadaan waa qaab beel ah

Masalan shirbaa dhici waxaa wufood ka ah dad magaalooyinkale ka yimid halkii ay ka imaan lahaayeen deeganada dolada laga dhisayo oo waliba kumanaan bay hada ko imaan!

Hada masalan kismayo waxaa dadka lago soo xulay deegaano, qaar doladaa keentay ama soo mareen qaarna adminka

Masalan beesheda waxay ka soo gashey saakoow labada dhinacba

Wali woo socdaa dadaalko

Sidoo kalo ayey baydhabo ko dhamaan

Yacni dhinac walbe qalad ayaa ka jira una badan kowa wax wata.

[Khalid Ali]

In a few years meesha oo dhan walaalaheen Jareerweyne baa la wareegi doona by sheer numbers and their rate of popping out babies. Farmers>Nomads

In the meantime farodheer can keep on killing each other.

Thats actually very good the the Bantuzation of Somalia , this will create pure differences between Somalia and Somaliland.
The Bantus of Somalia are already 15% of The former Somali republic , now remove Somaliland from Somalia they will be close to 30% and if they continue to breed as u say its only good , u will have in Somalia than 2 ethnics, Somali Somalia and Jareer Somalia. Somaliland can than say hey these people say were homogeneous but we are not really, so thats very good from a Somaliland prespective.

[Somali-Transporter]

In a few years meesha oo dhan walaalaheen Jareerweyne baa la wareegi doona by sheer numbers and their rate of popping out babies. Farmers>Nomads

In the meantime farodheer can keep on killing each other.

Thats actually very good the the Bantuzation of Somalia , this will create pure differences between Somalia and Somaliland.
The Bantus of Somalia are already 15% of The former Somali republic , now remove Somaliland from Somalia they will be close to 30% and if they continue to breed as u say its only good , u will have in Somalia than 2 ethnics, Somali Somalia and Jareer Somalia. Somaliland can than say hey these people say were homogeneous but we are not really, so thats very good from a Somaliland prespective.

don't waste your time and just stop before you get heart attack..

[sahal80]

South has the most resourceful regions and thus will have more conflicts until a winner takes all or agreements are been made via dialouge amongst the different clan and subclan factions. It's probably true that conflict helps the central oriented gov in xamar but it also have negative parts a classical double-edged sword, from the lower shabelle conflict to the kismayo conflict, the gov and particular the president has been viewed as clannish, weak and desperate. The people of south have largely lost the hope they had on him and his gov and this makes it hard to implement his policies. Little will be achieved until 2016.

govt doesn't act in a clanish way it just supports these conflicts in order to replace them according to the end justify the means

Instead of removing shabelle, she would go for negotiation first to limit the biimaal power

The same thing goes for jubba.

You don't see the govt supporting HWY state etc


Tarsan had a parliament backed project of dividing banadir and creating special district for the capital yet the villa has opposed it.

Fixed, speak on what you really mean.

Waxaan ka wadaa doladu waxaa numero uno target gareesataa dadka agendahha wata ayadoo isticmaalesa dadka ka soo horjeeda is ay xalkeeda u dhexdhigto! Fahmaan?

Waxaa jira maamulo HWY ah oo doladu ka hortimid sida galmudug iyo ahlusunna oo la dhahay meel raaca!

[StormShadow]

There's a dagaal beeled in hiiraan as we speak is it Gugundhabe and Xawaalde sahal?