Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
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Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
Nonsense. You are a self-hater because you constantly side with gaalo cadaan in every single thing they do, whether positive or negative. I, at least, criticise people irregardless of whether I share an ethnicity or religion with them. I am also not the type of Somali who believes in this ummah claptrap. There is no ummah today, Somalis are getting abused in so called muslim countries meanwhile an cadaan with a western passport is prostrated to. I advocate strongly for a pragmatic 'Somalis first' approach. 25 years Somalia has eaten itself and not even a single outcry from our so called muslim brothers. They pray for countries like Iraq, Syria, Libya and even Yemen. But outside of the arab world, muslims are irrelevent. I would rather we spend money on building wells and proper infrastructure instead of the 1000th mosque. I advocate a friendly approach with all states including countries like Israel and Iran. I am a muslim and I don't condone or support these states but I will put my people first just like a Saudi or a Jordanian or an Indonesian would.
You, however, are no different than the arab booty-clappers, just on the opposite side of the room.
You, however, are no different than the arab booty-clappers, just on the opposite side of the room.
Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
Abdi Johnson is creeping me out with his agenda. He is very aggressive with it. Allah ha ku so hadeeyo.
Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
So you deny the concept "ummah" totally?LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:Nonsense. You are a self-hater because you constantly side with gaalo cadaan in every single thing they do, whether positive or negative. I, at least, criticise people irregardless of whether I share an ethnicity or religion with them. I am also not the type of Somali who believes in this ummah claptrap. There is no ummah today, Somalis are getting abused in so called muslim countries meanwhile an cadaan with a western passport is prostrated to. I advocate strongly for a pragmatic 'Somalis first' approach. 25 years Somalia has eaten itself and not even a single outcry from our so called muslim brothers. They pray for countries like Iraq, Syria, Libya and even Yemen. But outside of the arab world, muslims are irrelevent. I would rather we spend money on building wells and proper infrastructure instead of the 1000th mosque. I advocate a friendly approach with all states including countries like Israel and Iran. I am a muslim and I don't condone or support these states but I will put my people first just like a Saudi or a Jordanian or an Indonesian would.
You, however, are no different than the arab booty-clappers, just on the opposite side of the room.
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Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
Not the concept. I wouldn't be muslim otherwise. I deny it exists in actuality today. When every nation state is looking out for it's own interests, why should we be altruistic and selfless especially when we are currently in a low position? When the UK and Norway accept Somali refugees while they are being deported and inprisoned in Saudi Arabia, what does that say about the state of the ummah today?
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He wasn't referring to him as the messiah but as the promised one, or maybe that's the same thing. Either way I'd never heard of anyone making reference to Muhammad (saw) in that contextLiquidHYDROGEN wrote:BV, Muhammad SAWS wasn't the Messiah. That was Isa AS and that title has always belonged to him. Our Prophet was known as 'the Helper' (some translators say he's called 'the Comforter' instead) who was prophesised by Isa AS to come after him.
Christianity today isn't the same as the one during the time of Isa AS or soon after him. Christianitity today is the product of Paul the Apostle, the Council of Nicea and the adoption of many pagan Roman, Egyptian, Greek and eastern practices/doctrines.
When did you decide that religion creates ignorance and put Islam at the bottom?AbdiJohnson wrote:For the Somali people to have any hope, they must follow my path. You must have bigger priorities than Islam. Islam must be at the bottom at the bare minimum. Islam has distracted you from development and moving forward
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Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
I doubt that Deedat could be so un-knowledgeable about the Quran. Did he spend all his time reading the Bible that he forgot to read the Quran? Even if he wasn't a Hafiz, shouldn't he have at least read Quran 4:157-158 and he would have known what every Muslim should know?BlackVelvet wrote:
You know the number of times Jesus is quoted to have said "my father who is your father, my God who is your God". How then you can go from reading that to worshipping Jesus, it's quite a stretch
Also the Jews did believe in the coming of a messiah and are still waiting for him
I watched a lecture by Ahmad Deedat AUN and he was arguing that the promised messiah was nabi Muhammad (saw). The Jews don't think he came, the Christians believe it was Issa (as) and according to Deedat it was Muhammad (saw)
Perhaps you are confusing the Holy Spirit with Jesus The Christ. I haven't watched much of Deedat, but gauging from what his disciples say, I think he meant that the Comforter that Jesus promised would come, was Muhammad.
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First of all, there was no Christianity during the time of Jesus. The Foundation of christian doctrine rests on the death and resurrection of Jesus. assuming that Jesus died in 33AD, and Paul became a Christian in 40AD, we've got only six years of the of preaching by the likes of Peter, john, Mark, and so on. So Paul starts preaching earliest in 40AD. Now, could you offer any proof that the doctrine that Paul preached since 40 AD was different from the one preached by Peter 7 years earlier?LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:BV, Muhammad SAWS wasn't the Messiah. That was Isa AS and that title has always belonged to him. Our Prophet was known as 'the Helper' (some translators say he's called 'the Comforter' instead) who was prophesised by Isa AS to come after him.
Christianity today isn't the same as the one during the time of Isa AS or soon after him. Christianitity today is the product of Paul the Apostle, the Council of Nicea and the adoption of many pagan Roman, Egyptian, Greek and eastern practices/doctrines.
Do you have any proof for your claims?
And what is the difference in doctrine between the letters written by Paul and those written by Jude, Peter, James and John?
Paul seems to be the boogeyman among Muslims who have spent time at the feet of Deedat and his disciples. However, many of them can't tell you what Paul taught that was different from what the rest of the apostles taught.
Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
BlackVelvet wrote:I was in the middle of finding evidence that Christianity is not this peaceful utopic religion she was making it out to be (in contrast to Islam) when the thread was deletedCherine wrote:BV,
Considering she's not here then why even discuss balaayada?
Quietly bey gaaloodi lahayd but no she didn't and i refuse to give her any attention.
Why refuse to give attention to a problem? It would be different if she's just insulting Islam for no good reason but this chick believes something that can be easily debunked, why not do that instead of letting others potentially get dragged down into the ignorance?
I don't argue on the topic of Islam when people just want to throw insults but Christianity is something I know about and missionaries shouldn't be ignored. I didn't get why the thread was deleted
Yeah she needs dacwa if she's unaware of those old testament quotes. I noticed they usually just sweep it under the carpet.
What went on in that thread? I remember seeing it 1 min and then not seeing it the next.
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Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
Maybe that was itBeyondQabil wrote:I think he meant that the Comforter that Jesus promised would come, was Muhammad.
If you don't mind me asking, what's your religion?
Don't know, I was composing a response after being accused of defending her and it got deletedCherine wrote:Yeah she needs dacwa if she's unaware of those old testament quotes. I noticed they usually just sweep it under the carpet.
What went on in that thread? I remember seeing it 1 min and then not seeing it the next.
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Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
Somali parents in the West and in Africa, are for the most part, poor. Either benefits or remittances or one income household.BlackVelvet wrote:He wasn't referring to him as the messiah but as the promised one, or maybe that's the same thing. Either way I'd never heard of anyone making reference to Muhammad (saw) in that contextLiquidHYDROGEN wrote:BV, Muhammad SAWS wasn't the Messiah. That was Isa AS and that title has always belonged to him. Our Prophet was known as 'the Helper' (some translators say he's called 'the Comforter' instead) who was prophesised by Isa AS to come after him.
Christianity today isn't the same as the one during the time of Isa AS or soon after him. Christianitity today is the product of Paul the Apostle, the Council of Nicea and the adoption of many pagan Roman, Egyptian, Greek and eastern practices/doctrines.
When did you decide that religion creates ignorance and put Islam at the bottom?AbdiJohnson wrote:For the Somali people to have any hope, they must follow my path. You must have bigger priorities than Islam. Islam must be at the bottom at the bare minimum. Islam has distracted you from development and moving forward
Whatever money they had left over paying the bills and rent, they paid for Quran lessons for their kids.
Those same kids face 50% high school drop out rates in the diaspora
Also, those same kids in Somalia face high illiteracy rates.
If the money instead was used for tutors for the Somali diaspora kids, they probably wouldn't be facing the highest drop out rate of any ethnicity in the West. There would be many professionals in our community today who can help future western Somali kids.
And if the money was instead used on enrolling kids to school instead of malcaamad (there is no free state education in Africa), we would have little kids who can read and write and do something with their lives back home and not have a wall infront of them. They can carry on and learn skills .
But no....all the time and costs and effort was wasted on making these kids memorize chapters.
This is one example where religion has caused problems for us. I am sure the Somalis in the West would have been in a much better situation today if that Quran fees were used for after school tutoring instead.
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Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
10000000 X this.LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:I would rather we spend money on building wells and proper infrastructure instead of the 1000th mosque.
Building more masjids when something like 75% of Somalis don't have access to clean drinking water that would literally halve child mortality and the ever present danger of cholera/dysentery.

Somali kids going to dugsi for 14 years of their life, know how to read and write Arabic, but can't form a basic sentence in Somali

Somali kids sent to dugsi for 14 years of their life, yet somehow horrifically fail in school and turn into hoodrats or even worse, ebonic speaking akhis.

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Re: Muna the Christian Somali from Sweden
I would like to tell Grant here { repectful/respected friend of the christian faith} that if you christians wanna recruit more somalis , you will have to do a better job . I have read excerpts of the Bible in our language , trust me no somali can understand it. Which kind of begs the question : Do people convert because they hate Islam{ at the hands of muslims} or love Christianity ?
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