Arguments for Recognition

[26June1960]

The idea of two sovereign states called Somaliland and Somalia never existed. On the 26th of June 1960, the British vacated it's colonial ownership on what was known by the English as "British-Somaliland Protectorate". It gave back the Somali clans living within the "British-Somaliland Protectorate" their rightful ownership of their lands. Each and every clan living in that area basically went back to self-rule by it's tribal chiefs. There was no country called "Somaliland" with a single leader, government, parliament, flag, army, etc. NOTHING. 4 days later, on 1st of July 1960, the tribal chiefs of what was known as "British-Somaliland Protectorate" unanimously with each tribe's individual choice, chose to join what was known as "Italian-Somaliland Protectorate". A unity government was created and the Somali Republic was born.

Now, if a Somali tribe wants to secede from the rest of the Somali tribes, that tribe has the right to do so. But, no tribe can claim the ownership or be the spokesman for an entire region that was a former colony of England, Italy or any other foreign entity.

For example; If Hawiye wants to secede from Somalia; then Hawiye can only secede from Somalia with it's respective territories. Hawiye cannot claim the entire Italian-Somaliland Protectorate. The same goes for the Digil and Mirifle and the Daarood. Therefore, Isaaq cannot claim to speak for the entire former British-Somaliland Protectorate. If the Gadabursi wants to secede from Somalia, they can, only with their respective territories, such as Awdal, but cannot claim Waqooyi Galbeed, Togdheer, Sanaag, and Sool as well and say, all of these gobols were part of the British-Somaliland Protectorate, therefore those areas have to secede with Awdal too. It doesn't work like that.

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PO,

Riddle me this, how can two sovereign states unite without a binding treaty? The 1961 referendum was null and void for the same reason the officers who organized the coup in Somaliland wasn't convicted. The Supreme Court's Judge in Mogadishu couldn't prosecute those men because the Supreme Court had no judicial legitimacy in the area where the alleged crime took place because of the absense of a legal union.

Walaweyns then came up with the notion that Aadan Cadde pardoned those men to hide the real reason behind the dismissal of the case.

Since there wasn't a legal union and the borders of Africa being based on the colonial framework, Somaliland's borders with Somalia based on the Anglo-Italian treaty still stands. The recognition of those borders are more connected to politics than the legal merit of the borders themselves.

The proof of all this is the contradictory behavior of the AU. They stress the importance of the colonial boundaries but they can't accept those same boundaries because of outside pressure.

Nonetheless, the two countries merged because of strong nationalist winds and the Somali Republic was created in order to liberate enslaved Somalis but my question to you is, who made Somalia the sole legitimate representative of the Somali republic? Somalia was a constituent state of that republic just like Somaliland, but who gave Somalia the right to claim Somaliland?


26June,

Somaliland actually had a parliament and the election for the National Assembly of Somaliland took place in February, 1960. On the eve of independence it was the National Assembly of Somaliland (dominated by Isaaq with 22 out of 30 seats, in contrast to Faqash propaganda) that voted for a union with Somalia. The Act of Union, the binding treaty between the two states, was ratified and signed by the National Assembly of Somaliland on June 27, 1960. The elected prime minister at that time was Maxamed Xaaji Ibrahim Cigaal (AUN) and Somaliland had a police force and a military.

On the other hand, Somalia Italiana (no such thing as Italian Somaliland protectorate existed) did not ratify the binding treaty nor did the leaders of Somalia Italiana sign the treaty.

You're right though when you're saying a tribe can't secede from a country without the acceptance of fellow compatriots. You as a Kastuumo supporter just dismantled the aspirations of your little clan.

[sahal80]

on behalf of mogadishu i have to comment on this though my local region did not vote for this union to begin with so personally i dont care but as for mogadishu these r my points

firstly the op is wrong for using the term westren powers you can say some of the westren media

nothing cant happen without mogadishus saying in this,
you cant just nullify shyt by one side declaration

ok is there another way then?

could be but you need to have muscles on your balls and play hard somali politics like pl, the main regional rival of mogadishu

to get independence you need first to secure your gains

start from a regional level like kurdistan and zanjibar who still have some potential independence scenarios

put forward a self-governance agenda in the negotiation table based on your current borders or the colonial borders

internationally this will be acknowledged just like zanjibar

the au is sticking with the current borders, ethiopia has its clan-based vision for somalia(similar to the current enclaves) based on its security to the point of supporting every subclan thats closer to her

the other reason is to decentralize somalia in order to avoid strong central somali govt

if ethiopia was able to annext djibouti it would have done it let alone recognizing another somali state! so naive!

the west supports a federal somalia but it depends on how somalis sees it or can reach a deal that can bring them together in anyway bc their intrests in somalia r one

here im saying you need to work for it!!


but if all the central influence comes from pl and mogadishu things may get shaped on their way!

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Xawaadle Hutu fooqal hutu

[Otherbrother]

Wasn't he 'sheikhal' before? Now he is Xawadle? What are you Sahal?

[nerdfresh]

Sahal is hawadle of the tiny irrelevant cabdi yusuf subclan. The bigger n more powerful madaxweyne cise/hawadle labelled him midgo and he can't step foot in hiiraan. He is from lower shabelle and lives among digil and mirifle near bay - lower shabelle border. He's not from hiiraan, never been there and will never go there. His cabdi yusuf subclan is also found in gedo. He has no land in hiiraan. Don't take him seriously on his opinions on sland. His opinion is not even listened to in hiiraan. Just ignore him. Hes crazy. Sahal get out of sland section, go busy yourself with your southwest state, do you even have mp in southwest state.... forget about assistant waziir... don't pollute their section

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Nerdfresh.


I've noticed he hates your clan and the Surre sub clans in Hiiraan.

[nerdfresh]

The truth of the matter is during al shabab and icu days hiiraan was controlled by gaaljecel. Under the surface it is all qabil and control. Before that Gaaljecel controlled the main highway in hiiraan going from xamar to middle shabelle going to galgaduud. Ask anyone from the central regions. Even the xawadle will admit this to you. They will tell you this. hawadle r irrelevant. They needed amisom to take over hiiraan. The SNA who came to hiiraan to "liberate" were not even xawaadle they were abgal. If xawadle was strong why can't they defeat gaaljecel shabab alone? The hg were able to push back the murusade shabab from taking over galgaduud and south mudug. Why can't hawadle do it? Why did abgal sna come for them?

Surre is part of hiiraan the backbone of hiiraan who is sahal the lower shabele native? He hates everyone in hiiraan who isn't hawadle. Anyone who is entitled to a piece of the pie he hates. He hates them because abdi yusuf dont have a piece of the pie of their own.

The abgal in the politics section laughed at him for saying hawadle will dictate the terms of Middle shabelle hiiraan merger. That is when the abgals came in and said you are not even the powerhouses in hiiraan

Look closely at all the things sahal says. Everything he says are lies. Xawadle only attack innocent people. From ogaden massacre in the river to surre village burnings. They attack refugee ogadens and now surre farmers using sna weapons hassan sheikh gives them.

The surre have retaliated though and gave them a beating all Somalis are against hawadle aggression of surre

[sahal80]

the bitch is still following me


xiimaay qiyaamana maleh qaabna uma noola!

nacalaa ko taal savage yoow!

do you know what is wrong with crazy guy? hes new to the civilazation and he thinks here is suuqa caanaha ee baladweyne lol

yarkaan is a victim of his reer badiye background!

xataa hadiii uu magaalo ko dhashtey waxeey wali kaga jirtaa lafaha!

anshax maleh, ixtiraam msleh, dastuur iyo hoodi hoodi msleh!!


how on earth he opens such an unrelated story in this place?

reer badiyaa dhalay oo education iyo tarbiyad xadaari ah malaha!




yaxayawaam im tried of you why not just fuck off bitch!

ha isko kee misiwirin ee bax

whos jijeele? the clan who majority of them live in duurka bakool iyo ethiopia?


fuck off you hawadle is one kaama kaco!

waa kan adigoo ko daba faylan cabdi yousuf

qabiilka aad caayeysid ks waran hafaad ko daba faylan tahay? soo laan gaab ma tihid?


clo isaaq cabdulle with his boss mohamud cabi gab




I have never seen wax ka been badan

taariikhda kama dhicin nin gugindhabe ah oo hiiraan mafax ka noqdey waligeed

xataa al shabaab hawadley hoos joogsan

maxaakimta; sh macoow, hizpul islam; sh shuuriye, ahlusunna sh cawaale, al shabaab; yuusuf ugaas!

all were hawadle

20 sano ka hor al shabaab ayaa lagu xakumayay qasab

shakey baadicadu soo saarey waxaan siiyay link wali wax ma maqlaayo waa dad adaga la dhashtey

xayawaan cawaan ah


piss off xayawan

with respect of all samatalis brothers(fuck off little xiimaay) no subclan had longer ruled or influenced in hiiraan like us

duliye sare cabdi ciman hawadle leader of the 90s and vice- president of the usc, the chairman of the uscpm

how many ? col gubadleey, col ilko boqol most of saraakiisha uscda was from subclan

[nerdfresh]

Don't pollute their section with your bullshit propaganda lower shabele southwest state boy.

no abgaal is here to rescue you like abgaal sna rescued you from gaaljecel dominance in bulobarde and jalalaqsi and beledweyne. You only know how to attack innocent civilians but when you face gaaljecel you run like a bitch and call amisom and abgal to help you. I am sure no slander wants to hear you bullshit opinion when you are killing hundreds of dir, kinsmen of reer awdal and their ssnm allies. go crawl back into your usual section. they might have patience for a xawaadle dameer but reer konfuur dont have patience we know who we are dealing with

don't ever claim hiiraan you have no business there don't speak for us real reer hiiraan. U r responsible for the biggest one day massacre of innocent civilians in 1990s of ogaden refugees and you never apologized for it you sweep it under the rug and now you seek to repeat history for surre but you won't do it you will fail

real reer hiiraan dont kill innocent civilians.

get out of their section now you beast