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Hyperactive wrote:sahal, that is not the point, the point somalis do not know nogotiate and give little to gain much more. if you dont agree, you done mentality.
our mentality no gain for all and that somalis prefer, to loose all than give little for their enemies to become allies.
maybe after killing each other and living in povrrty for another 50 years will teach them to be tolarent and give to get.
I know where r you coming from
Thats my point exactly: war aan wada noolaano!
this article shows how bashar mixed "the military boots with business" besides ala makhlouf and the raise of mafiyaat al jabal-contraband shipments-
Bro. General Morgan WAS related to the President. In fact he was Siad Barre's son-in-law. Yes, there were a few privileged Somalis from different clans who benefited off the Dictatorship, but the majority of us were left behind. The majority of us were unhappy and had no opportunity.
The entire civil war could have been avoided had it not been for Siad's poor leadership and failure to tackle nepotism and corruption.
Somalis need to have an appreciation for free markets and private enterprise. We already are a very entrepreneurial people. If you look all over Africa and the Middle East, you will see Somali entrepreneurs starting their own businesses, trading, and becoming wealthy. I've seen entire neighborhoods in Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, and Kenya where there existed gated communities of prosperous Somali families. If Siad Barre allowed us to prosper economically and made it easy for businesses to operate....than the entire civil war would've never happened.
There could have existed a genuine Somali middle class. And the middle class would have just reinforced his control and solidify his power.
Siad could have held onto his power indefinitely, so long as the people were satisfied with his rule. We easily could have become the most prosperous nation in the entire region
Kaafiye wrote:Somalis need to have an appreciation for free markets and private enterprise. We already are a very entrepreneurial people. If you look all over Africa and the Middle East, you will see Somali entrepreneurs starting their own businesses, trading, and becoming wealthy. I've seen entire neighborhoods in Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, and Kenya where there existed gated communities of prosperous Somali families. If Siad Barre allowed us to prosper economically and made it easy for businesses to operate....than the entire civil war would've never happened.
There could have existed a genuine Somali middle class. And the middle class would have just reinforced his control and solidify his power.
Siad could have held onto his power indefinitely, so long as the people were satisfied with his rule. We easily could have become the most prosperous nation in the entire region
Agreed. We should've followed the China model. They went from a declining imperial power to a growing superpower in the span of 50 years, and a major role in that was the privatization of then public sectors such as agriculture.
We don't need democracy, we need smart economics. These dumb ass governments still don't know to tax cheap imported goods by diasporians, which then destroys any hope of manufacturing goods, which is key to any economy.
The Chinese model is one to follow. People don't care about politics if they're satisfied economically. We even need to emulate how they've done outside China.
Kaafiye wrote:Somalis need to have an appreciation for free markets and private enterprise. We already are a very entrepreneurial people. If you look all over Africa and the Middle East, you will see Somali entrepreneurs starting their own businesses, trading, and becoming wealthy. I've seen entire neighborhoods in Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, and Kenya where there existed gated communities of prosperous Somali families. If Siad Barre allowed us to prosper economically and made it easy for businesses to operate....than the entire civil war would've never happened.
There could have existed a genuine Somali middle class. And the middle class would have just reinforced his control and solidify his power.
Siad could have held onto his power indefinitely, so long as the people were satisfied with his rule. We easily could have become the most prosperous nation in the entire region
Agreed. We should've followed the China model. They went from a declining imperial power to a growing superpower in the span of 50 years, and a major role in that was the privatization of then public sectors such as agriculture.
We don't need democracy, we need smart economics. These dumb ass governments still don't know to tax cheap imported goods by diasporians, which then destroys any hope of manufacturing goods, which is key to any economy.
The Chinese model is one to follow. People don't care about politics if they're satisfied economically. We even need to emulate how they've done outside China.
Exactly. We don't need democracy at all. All we need is genuine free markets, and economic growth. That's all that really matters.
I sometimes feel as if Siad Barre had some of the worst possible advisers surrounding him. He could have easily kept the country together if he just tweaked a few of his policies. The people could have been well-fed and they would never revolt.
Bro. General Morgan WAS related to the President. In fact he was Siad Barre's son-in-law. Yes, there were a few privileged Somalis from different clans who benefited off the Dictatorship, but the majority of us were left behind. The majority of us were unhappy and had no opportunity.
The entire civil war could have been avoided had it not been for Siad's poor leadership and failure to tackle nepotism and corruption.
niyow all this is in the 80s
Since 1969 the country was ruled by a revolutionary military council known as golaha sare ee tawrada
Before the coup, siyad barre was the chief staff of the army since the mid-60s-he was the deputy of general daud who died at that time-
The idea of the revolution has come first from other officers in the army who had relations with the kgp bc they were well known under adan cadde
Siyad barre, maybe he was thinking of his own inqilab but how the coup was managed has to do with the adea of this group
According to the voas interview with these officers, it was osman jeele who was coordinating between them and siyad barre
in the first three years there was struggle between salad gabeyre the defense minister who was carrying the title the father of revolution and siyad barre the head of the revolutionary council
The soviet just like they did in ethiopia was supporting to settle the issue from within quickly
Salad gabeyre has made mistakes bc without the knowledge of the council he agreed with others to come up with his own coup
He lost some officers including jeele
Gabeyre was against barre for chosen ali samatar on him unlike of what was agreed before the coup
So since 1973 theres was a unity of leadership but the decisions were directly taking by the council until 77
At this time there was a secret pro-american group like dafle who were calling for cooperation with the us govt without known america Itself!
This group are behind the 77 war
Then in the 80s, gabyow and morgan have joined them,
All of them belong to one clan and the role of the council has become an artificial
At this time, a group of officers like jeele and cumar massale-hes marehan-and some civilian officers like omar carte have met secretly and talked about how to correct and save the revolution from within without a coup, it was all about to pressure on siyad barre by holding a meeting with him
instead of listenin, as a dictator, he sent them all to prison
Jeele was released some years after for two factors; huge demonstrations that was taking place in hiiraan(its called jeele ama jidka- and a request from amir salman bin cabdil caziiz the saudi interior..was given a rasidence in jidah
His daughter is now becoming a pilot at a malaysian uni
He has never involved in qabil issues or partaked any political activities since he left the country
Anything after that was disastrous; his car accident, koofiyo cas iyo civil war.
Hes very old. A year ago the voa was interviewing him and others and sounded a very toothless old man
Correction: his saudi friend was amir naive bin abdil azeez the former interior and the crown prince who passed away in 2012 and was replaced by the current king, salman bin abdil aziz who appears in the second video with jeele
he reveals that syria was less secular than somalia who addopted the scientific socialism to the point that hafiz al asad told him are you crazy guys we hardly adopted socialism(arab socialism) and your talking about scientific socialism?
Communists in syria were allied with ikhwan
syria had some autonomy and not bad relations with the us govt since the octobar war, was not controlled fully by russia, it had the same policies as china
The other reason is-as we revealed before- duqa avoiding to clash with the sunni and religious institutions
Who influence the people, instead was using them!
Sahal, Cismaan Jeelle is old but by no means toothless. He underwent various throat surgeries but he's quite fit and healthy.
Sahal, did you know that he was offered the support of most of the factions if he made a bid for the Presidency in Djibouti because of his neutrality? He declined. Abdi Warsame, Omar Haji, Liiqliqato, Abdirazaq Haji Hussein and Abdullahi Yusuf tried in vain to convince him. He wouldn't budge lol
GeoSeven wrote:Sahal, Cismaan Jeelle is old but by no means toothless. He underwent various throat surgeries but he's quite fit and healthy.
Sahal, did you know that he was offered the support of most of the factions if he made a bid for the Presidency in Djibouti because of his neutrality? He declined. Abdi Warsame, Omar Haji, Liiqliqato, Abdirazaq Haji Hussein and Abdullahi Yusuf tried in vain to convince him. He wouldn't budge lol
ok I have watched the video from universal tv and have seen the guy communicating with him through some tablet. He said he has done operation and cant talk.
I know the usc figures contacting with him and that he apologized for not coming their infamous conference in hotel guleed.
saudis use to give him a family and scholarship visas and I know some guys who studied in saudi universities through him and many who pretended to be his family and got visas
Btw he lives now in australia-some of his family have moved to there maybe he needs them-and i heard about one of his daughters whos becoming now a civil pilot at a malaysian university.
This deep corruption and blatant nepotism----had it not existed---would have credited Somalia to becoming one of the most economically advanced, industrial powerhouse of the Middle East and Africa. Somalia could have developed enough capital, and enough business acumen....to dominate the entire region. Dubai would have nothing on us.
Somalis are a very entrepreneurial people. Our country is located at the intersections of all the trading routes. And we have enough resources to create a prosperous country. Our population could have easily multiplied from a pathetic 8 million people to a very respectable 50 million Somalis.
We all know that Ethiopia had only 18 million people back in 1965. They already have 100 million people today. And that's only in 50 years. Somali women are known to have very high birthrates, in excess of 5 children per woman. If we had a peaceful country, we may very well have had double or even triple the population we have today.
