North Korea claims successful launch of intercontinental missile

[DaacasBiyo]

correction, the range of this test was 930km which is in the intermediate classification.
The thing is that the trajectory was very high, meaning that if this was on a normal balllistic trajectory we are looking at over 5000km.

if this is confirmed , yes North Korea can hit california..
and for those who dont believe they have the warheads, look at pakistan.. they got their warhead designs from the Norks.
Miniaturizing a nuclear warhead is very difficult and the North Koreans did this very quickly , which adds weight to the rumor that they had warheads stolen from Kazakhstan in 1991.

Gurey25 and FAH

My belief has always been that the technological advancement North Korea shows, Iran has it and the much better version. Iran originally obtained Scud missiles from North Korea which started its missile program and Shabab missiles are based on Hwasong-7 missile. Iran doesn’t have the military protection like North Korea does from China. So Iran cannot openly test its own weapons like ICBM and nuclear tests. So Iran uses or helps North Korea with its technology to test its own weapon systems and help North Korea with its progression. Israeli missile expert Uzi Rubin said Iran missile and space was vastly more superior to North Korea; he said around late 2008. Iran has FAR greater financial, industrial, technological, scientific and human capital than North Korea does; so his assumption which he supports with facts is completely right.

I have no doubt Iran currently stocks ICBM and nuclear warheads,

Thoughts.

I think the Pakistani nuclear assistance to North Korea is much more well documented whereas the Iranians are thought to have acquired North Korean help and not the other way around.

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[Xanuunku]

I think the Pakistani nuclear assistance to North Korea is much more well documented whereas the Iranians are thought to have acquired North Korean help and not the other way around.

You’re right about the Pakistani nuclear assistance. But with missile technology Iran surpassed North Korea around 2008-09 timeframe. Even with North Korea’s head start, Iran was able to put a satellite in space in 2008 while North Korea after many failing did it in 2012. Sidenote South Korea still isn’t able to indigenously put a satellite into space; they need Russian assistance for this to occur.

In 2009, Iran launched Sejji 2, a solid 2 stage medium-range ballistic missile which has a range from 2000-3000km. However, Iran NEVER allows its missile to travel further than 3000km due to criticism that’s its missile program is offensive and a threat to their European trading partners. It has been 8 years since the successful launch of the Sejji 2 and finally North Korea has launched this missile with a range of 5000km. Can’t find the exact clip at the moment but Uzi the Israeli expert around 2010 since Iran has surpassed North Korea and now it’s Iran who passes on technological advancement to the North Korea.

Iran supposedly has in its weaponry a 4 stage, solid fuel, SLV which can easily be converted to ICBM. The name for the Space launch vehicle is Ghaem and was the dream of the father of the Iranian space program, Tehrani Moghaddam.

[gurey25]

I think the Pakistani nuclear assistance to North Korea is much more well documented whereas the Iranians are thought to have acquired North Korean help and not the other way around.

You’re right about the Pakistani nuclear assistance. But with missile technology Iran surpassed North Korea around 2008-09 timeframe. Even with North Korea’s head start, Iran was able to put a satellite in space in 2008 while North Korea after many failing did it in 2012. Sidenote South Korea still isn’t able to indigenously put a satellite into space; they need Russian assistance for this to occur.

In 2009, Iran launched Sejji 2, a solid 2 stage medium-range ballistic missile which has a range from 2000-3000km. However, Iran NEVER allows its missile to travel further than 3000km due to criticism that’s its missile program is offensive and a threat to their European trading partners. It has been 8 years since the successful launch of the Sejji 2 and finally North Korea has launched this missile with a range of 5000km. Can’t find the exact clip at the moment but Uzi the Israeli expert around 2010 since Iran has surpassed North Korea and now it’s Iran who passes on technological advancement to the North Korea.

Iran supposedly has in its weaponry a 4 stage, solid fuel, SLV which can easily be converted to ICBM. The name for the Space launch vehicle is Ghaem and was the dream of the father of the Iranian space program, Tehrani Moghaddam.

The Secret of North Koreas advances comes from their early coup in hiring Rogue Russian scientists in 1991 when the sovets collpased. Everyone was trying to get their hands on them and even the US had an entire program to hire them to remove them from the hands of their enemies and this worked to an extent because only the North Koreans succeeded in this.
The Same program was to buy out all the available weapons systems from the new small ex soviet states.
The famous one was the purchase of Mig-29C from Moldova that the Iranians were just about to finalize purchase when the US swooped in and took it.
These Particular Mig-29C's were the real deal and unlike those sold to non-soviets like Yemen or Yugoslavia were not downgraded mickey mouse models. This in in particular had the spinal mounted IRST that was more advanced than anything the US had and would have been more than a match for anything in NATO arsenal, Iran would have got this at a bargain.

According to Robert baer's book in the great auction of 1991 the Iranians got their hands on a few nuclear warheads from Kaakhstan and since their nuclear program was in its infancy they traded it to the North koreans.
Building a large 1945 style nuclear bomb is easy and any engineering company or university laboratory can build it if provided with fissile material but a miniaturized one that can fit into a warhead is very difficult.
You need to boost the fission, use rare earth materials and your precision engineering has to be very fine.

This is why the Pakistanis were in north korea too, it was for warhead design and for the long range liquid Scud experiments.
The Pakistanis had the most advanced solid fueled tactical missiles because of chinese help, but they needed help in long range missiles. They were also their for the joint warhead design and the Iranians fronted both the money and the actual warheads to reverse engineer.
The Pakistanis of course also traded their enrichment centrifuges technology that AQ Khan stole from Belgium.
The North koreans depended more on Pakistani and Iranian scientists when the Russians contract expired and they went home.

[Xanuunku]

I think the Pakistani nuclear assistance to North Korea is much more well documented whereas the Iranians are thought to have acquired North Korean help and not the other way around.

You’re right about the Pakistani nuclear assistance. But with missile technology Iran surpassed North Korea around 2008-09 timeframe. Even with North Korea’s head start, Iran was able to put a satellite in space in 2008 while North Korea after many failing did it in 2012. Sidenote South Korea still isn’t able to indigenously put a satellite into space; they need Russian assistance for this to occur.

In 2009, Iran launched Sejji 2, a solid 2 stage medium-range ballistic missile which has a range from 2000-3000km. However, Iran NEVER allows its missile to travel further than 3000km due to criticism that’s its missile program is offensive and a threat to their European trading partners. It has been 8 years since the successful launch of the Sejji 2 and finally North Korea has launched this missile with a range of 5000km. Can’t find the exact clip at the moment but Uzi the Israeli expert around 2010 since Iran has surpassed North Korea and now it’s Iran who passes on technological advancement to the North Korea.

Iran supposedly has in its weaponry a 4 stage, solid fuel, SLV which can easily be converted to ICBM. The name for the Space launch vehicle is Ghaem and was the dream of the father of the Iranian space program, Tehrani Moghaddam.

The Secret of North Koreas advances comes from their early coup in hiring Rogue Russian scientists in 1991 when the sovets collpased. Everyone was trying to get their hands on them and even the US had an entire program to hire them to remove them from the hands of their enemies and this worked to an extent because only the North Koreans succeeded in this.
The Same program was to buy out all the available weapons systems from the new small ex soviet states.
The famous one was the purchase of Mig-29C from Moldova that the Iranians were just about to finalize purchase when the US swooped in and took it.
These Particular Mig-29C's were the real deal and unlike those sold to non-soviets like Yemen or Yugoslavia were not downgraded mickey mouse models. This in in particular had the spinal mounted IRST that was more advanced than anything the US had and would have been more than a match for anything in NATO arsenal, Iran would have got this at a bargain.

According to Robert baer's book in the great auction of 1991 the Iranians got their hands on a few nuclear warheads from Kaakhstan and since their nuclear program was in its infancy they traded it to the North koreans.
Building a large 1945 style nuclear bomb is easy and any engineering company or university laboratory can build it if provided with fissile material but a miniaturized one that can fit into a warhead is very difficult.
You need to boost the fission, use rare earth materials and your precision engineering has to be very fine.

This is why the Pakistanis were in north korea too, it was for warhead design and for the long range liquid Scud experiments.
The Pakistanis had the most advanced solid fueled tactical missiles because of chinese help, but they needed help in long range missiles. They were also their for the joint warhead design and the Iranians fronted both the money and the actual warheads to reverse engineer.
The Pakistanis of course also traded their enrichment centrifuges technology that AQ Khan stole from Belgium.
The North koreans depended more on Pakistani and Iranian scientists when the Russians contract expired and they went home.

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[Xanuunku]

An excerpt by the experts:

"And while that does mean that Iran’s space programs could help advance an ICBM program, it also suggests something else — that the flow of technology has reversed. We are now seeing innovations in Iran that later appear in North Korea. Iran could build an ICBM just as well as North Korea, if not better, whenever it wants."

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/31...c ... rea-nukes/

Knew this all along. What North Korea tests and launches, Iran already has the superior version of it. No doubt Iran is ICBM and Nuclear weapons nation.