Mukhtar Roobow Gives Himself up to Government Forces.

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Mukhtar Roobow Gives Himself up to Government Forces.

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Like he had a choice.
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Mukhtaar Rooboow become relevant when he was part of HSM. He defected and is no longer a factor, just like Sheikh Sharif the former leader of the movement. This isn't the end of HSM.
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His surrender would have greatly helped pre 2015 or even 2016.

But we have no use for him, i hope the gov just expands to his territory & takes it. Also extract everything he knows that might be useful, which isnt much since he left shabaab in 2013.

Once this is done put him on trial, his victims deserve that. As well as the judicial have an opportunity to show the somali people that they can hold terrorists accountable, this is a man with a lot of blood on his hands.
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Polus wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:33 am His surrender would have greatly helped pre 2015 or even 2016.

But we have no use for him, i hope the gov just expands to his territory & takes it. Also extract everything he knows that might be useful, which isnt much since he left shabaab in 2013.

Once this is done put him on trial, his victims deserve that. As well as the judicial have an opportunity to show the somali people that they can hold terrorists accountable, this is a man with a lot of blood on his hands.
If he surrendered, then he made a deal with the gov. A trial or any sort of justice has to be ruled out. It's possible that he would get a position in the military, like Indhocadde.
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paperino wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:48 am
Polus wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:33 am His surrender would have greatly helped pre 2015 or even 2016.

But we have no use for him, i hope the gov just expands to his territory & takes it. Also extract everything he knows that might be useful, which isnt much since he left shabaab in 2013.

Once this is done put him on trial, his victims deserve that. As well as the judicial have an opportunity to show the somali people that they can hold terrorists accountable, this is a man with a lot of blood on his hands.
If he surrendered, then he made a deal with the gov. A trial or any sort of justice has to be ruled out. It's possible that he would get a position in the military, like Indhocadde.
He didnt make a deal from the position of strength, note that he finally accepted to turn himself if when he got relentlessly attacked by shabaab resulting in 19 dead of his milia men so far.

Power dynamics my friend.
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Polus wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:50 am He didnt make a deal from the position of strength, note that he finally accepted to turn himself if when he got relentlessly attacked by shabaab resulting in 19 dead of his milia men so far.

Power dynamics my friend.
Why was Indhocadde not put on trial?
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paperino wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:54 am
Polus wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:50 am He didnt make a deal from the position of strength, note that he finally accepted to turn himself if when he got relentlessly attacked by shabaab resulting in 19 dead of his milia men so far.

Power dynamics my friend.
Why was Indhocadde not put on trial?
Thats a completely other story, basically different time, circumstanses & power dynamics.
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paperino wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:54 am
Polus wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:50 am He didnt make a deal from the position of strength, note that he finally accepted to turn himself if when he got relentlessly attacked by shabaab resulting in 19 dead of his milia men so far.

Power dynamics my friend.
Why was Indhocadde not put on trial?
Qabil dynamics.

If Muktar Robow is put on trial then it will discourage others from turning themselves in.
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Raidboss wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:57 am
paperino wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:54 am
Polus wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:50 am He didnt make a deal from the position of strength, note that he finally accepted to turn himself if when he got relentlessly attacked by shabaab resulting in 19 dead of his milia men so far.

Power dynamics my friend.
Why was Indhocadde not put on trial?
Qabil dynamics.

If Muktar Robow is put on trial then it will discourage others from turning themselves in.
True. But there are no other potential high level defectors left after abu mansuur, this strategy is no longer viable. Mansuur is about to land in Mogadishu any moment from Hudur & is accompanied by the defence minister.

We will see what happens.
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Polus wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:00 am True. But there are no other potential high level defectors left after abu mansuur, this strategy is no longer viable. Mansuur is about to land in Mogadishu any moment from Hudur & is accompanied by the defence minister.

We will see what happens.
In any case, putting Rooboow on trial would send the wrong message that weak clans are expendable while powerful clans are untouchables.
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the government in xamar will not win with this

if they trial him its good because he is a criminal in their eyes. if they dont trial he can still be a sleeping cell
the xamar govt will do nothing the same way daahir aweys was not touched the same way indho cade was forgiven. if they trial roobow it wil be seen as qabyalaad either way alshabaab will remain strong. defecting wont help
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Khalid Ali wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:30 am the government in xamar will not win with this

if they trial him its good because he is a criminal in their eyes. if they dont trial he can still be a sleeping cell
the xamar govt will do nothing the same way daahir aweys was not touched the same way indho cade was forgiven. if they trial roobow it wil be seen as qabyalaad either way alshabaab will remain strong. defecting wont help
Saaxib worry about what goes on in the triangle, next time send someone more capable than godane :stylin:
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Nicca will probably join Atom and the likes in Doha. Sweet retirement package awaiting him.
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TheblueNwhite wrote: Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:12 am Nicca will probably join Atom and the likes in Doha. Sweet retirement package awaiting him.
Most likely.
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