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Re: Marriage: Somali man + Pakistani woman

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Nomand wrote:Islamically if his mum tells him not to marry or divorce that woman then he has to obey

erm, He is not obliged to obey them, because its his 7aqq not his parents. If there was a valid shar3 reason then of course he is obliged to obey them ..it can also be for a worldly reason too, i.e. if I'm not beautiful or from a good family... but In this case they haven't even seen or met me. If they met me and said no, then i'll give up lol but i know inshallah if they gave me a chance they'd like me lol bi'ithnillah. They also cannot force him to marry a girl, or force him to divorce one. And Allahu a3lam
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Re: Marriage: Somali man + Pakistani woman

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Nomand wrote:Islamically if his mum tells him not to marry or divorce that woman then he has to obey

erm, He is not obliged to obey them, because its his 7aqq not his parents. If there was a valid shar3 reason then of course he is obliged to obey them ..it can also be for a worldly reason too, i.e. if I'm not beautiful or from a good family... but In this case they haven't even seen or met me. If they met me and said no, then i'll give up lol but i know inshallah if they gave me a chance they'd like me lol bi'ithnillah. They also cannot force him to marry a girl, or force him to divorce one. And Allahu a3lam
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Re: Marriage: Somali man + Pakistani woman

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Hyperactive wrote:
Sumubaridi wrote:I will give you the benefit of the Doubt even though I doubt a Pakistani girl Can write the Waad Waan fiicanahay in that spelling. You should have said wan fianahay but you spelling it out like that.

Anyway, Somali men do not ask for their Parent's approval in marriage and the family do not pay much attention to the boys anyway. Its the girl that they care about. Famous Somali Sheikh ( Abdirashid Sheikh Ali-Suufi) is Half Indian half Somali and everyone loves him. So tell the guy to grow some balls and go to your father. if the Father refuses, go to a sheikh and he will give him a deadline to provide an Islamic reason why he is against the marriage.
lol do not use us as exampole. the old man brought his wife to his home town Harar and had his kids and she never back to her background even.

it's different when you marry outside and live in outside your country/town. i can tell the differences being half somali, my dad is half somali but he born and rised his own country while i was born and rised outside. kids never be the same as the one born their own country regardless their other half.

habiba,

good luck to you. my grandma was from pujabi too. go a head marry and make babies my friend.

mashallah. lol thank you :rose:
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Re: Marriage: Somali man + Pakistani woman

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Hyperactive wrote:
Sumubaridi wrote:I will give you the benefit of the Doubt even though I doubt a Pakistani girl Can write the Waad Waan fiicanahay in that spelling. You should have said wan fianahay but you spelling it out like that.

Anyway, Somali men do not ask for their Parent's approval in marriage and the family do not pay much attention to the boys anyway. Its the girl that they care about. Famous Somali Sheikh ( Abdirashid Sheikh Ali-Suufi) is Half Indian half Somali and everyone loves him. So tell the guy to grow some balls and go to your father. if the Father refuses, go to a sheikh and he will give him a deadline to provide an Islamic reason why he is against the marriage.
lol do not use us as exampole. the old man brought his wife to his home town Harar and had his kids and she never back to her background even.

it's different when you marry outside and live in outside your country/town. i can tell the differences being half somali, my dad is half somali but he born and rised his own country while i was born and rised outside. kids never be the same as the one born their own country regardless their other half.

habiba,

good luck to you. my grandma was from pujabi too. go a head marry and make babies my friend.
I assumed this girl is in somewhere in the west where both of them are Refugees/Immigrants. None of them is hosting the other one in his native country. Also, this girl said she is willing to learn Somali and the children will be Somalis. I know this Ogaden neighbor of us back in Eldoret whose wife is Indian. He married her while he was studying there. She is maasha allah. She speaks Somali fluently, She dresses like a real Somali girl dirac/goorgorat and all that. You would not know she is indian unless you pay much attention to her looks. Her brother came to visit her from India and they were so Lovely Maasha allah. He even takes her back to Indian once in a while. They have teenage boys :)
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habibah000 wrote:
HayWire wrote:
habibah000 wrote:Salam,

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Post your picture and we will go from there. If you are over 30, don't bother :eat:
I can post a pic but then you will see a girl with light skin, green eyes, brown hair and you all will say its a fake pic - as a Pakistani girl is "supposed" to be hairy with a big nose (as some kind person stated here previously). But I invite you to come to London, you will be able to see me 3D version lol.
Put your money where you mouth is. and let me judge how hairy you are :D
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why are pple feeding this troll? some lil idiot seeking attention and you all fell for it. retards!
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habibah000 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:54 pm Salam,

I am new to this, wanted some advice about a stressful situation . Hope someone can help me, Inshallah.
Some background information - I am Pakistani, I never ever imagined to want to marry a Somali/African man. Lol, I mean, everyone has a vision of a type of person they want to marry. An african man was not on the list.

..Until I met a Somali man. He is absolutely amazing in every way. His deen to his manners, just beautiful to me. I am totally in love with him, and his charming character, mashallah.

As most of you will be aware of the racism in asian cultures. I have light skin, people often assume I am Arab or mixed...Asian people find lighter skinned people more attracting (not all, but majority do). This really disgusts me, as we are all created from Adam, we are muslim. I know that when I approach my family, they will be shocked that I chose an African man. My family are not veryy backward minded but still it will be a shock for them. And they will think that since the cultures are totally different, the marriage will not last long. Anyway, I have not spoken to them about this yet, as I am waiting for him to convince his family.

He spoke to his family and they are totally against it. They don't want to know me at all.
I feel very upset and hurt that just because I am not somali they are not accepting me. I am willing to learn Somali, infact i've already started...ii waran? waan ficanahayy :) (plus the somali accent lol!) I am willing to learn how to cook somali food, I want my children to learn Somali, I want to visit Somalia, I want to mix in with his family. Like, in any way, I am ready to do anything. If we have children, I know that our children will be known an Somali, islamically even...and I will be proud of that. He has mentioned this all to them already but they don't care. They don't even want to meet me.

Also, I told few of my friends, and they say things to me like, Why marry a Somali? You don't "suit" a Somali, you will look odd. Do you know your kids will be half black? Out of all ethnicities you chose to marry Somali, when you can marry arab/revert etc etc? and they make fun out of it. This upsets me, but I love him a lot. His skin colour makes no difference, I think he is soooo beautiful and has handsome features...well, I'm sure if they'd see him they'd feel jealous ;) lol

We really want to get married,
so my question is, do you think his family will ever agree?
How stubborn are cultural Somali families? (and I thought asian families were crazy and stubborn!)
Will they ever go as far as disowning him if he was to marry me?
Will they see me or our children as outsiders?
Is there hope?

Please help a sister out,
I love Somali people, mashallah. They are really welcoming and kind.
...and Thankyou for reading and replying in advance. Shoukran.

Wa Salaam

Firstly, i don't know why people are taking such offence and criticizing the sister for her choice of words. Tge subject is a sour topic and she has tried to express it the best way she can.

Secondly, i came across tgis thread searching for some sort of an answer myself and i am glad to have done so. It has been a while since you have posted this thread. How did everything work out?
I am a pakistani myself who has spent tge best part of the last 9 years with a somali brother out of marriage.
I kept delaying speaking to my mother about him purely out of fear of what her reaction would be. My circumstances were slightly different as i left home at an early age and just like yourself i had never met a somali brother/ sister in my life simply due to the fact that i lived in a small town which was predominately of pakistani and white people.

However, if you fear tge rejection, you will never move forward in life. Somali people are not kuffars, they are God fearing muslims just like us. Yes, every parent prefers their child to marry within their culture due to language barriers/ traditions etc but these are all the things that are a beauty of life, you learn to engage and adapt another muslim countries culture but most importantly, you are apart of a generation where you have the ability to explore.

In Islam, using "race" as a reason to stop your child from doing Nikah is prohibited. Muslim parents must support and respect their childs decision on whom he/she wishes to complete half her/his deen with. Unfortunately, although we all live and intergrate in a society that is multicultural, some patents refuse to let go of their "cultural jahiliyah thoughts".

You stated the brothers "deen in manners" (im assuming his iman is strong InShaaAlkah), tell your parents about the positivity he brings to your life. If the both of you talk about deen with each other, pass the knowledge on to your parents (i personally started questioning my mum about ramadan/ eid dates as pakistanis always celebrate it a day after the rest of the ummah) and gradually I increased speaking about Islam all the while stating that i had learnt the Islamic historic event from my partner.

Recently, After my sisters marriage, I decided to vreak the ice and tell my mum that he is the one that i want to complete half my deen with and although it was pretty hard as she still thinks "omg it is shameful that i am marrying someone who basically has a different skin tone to me", She still has accepted it and we have got our blessings Alhumdulillah and are due to get married in the next couple of months InShaaAllah.

In regards to his family, although i had met his brothers and sisters, i met his parents and grandmother last ramadan and MashaAllah, his parents were not even the slightest judgemental. His grandmother could not stop kissing my forehead. Yes you can get the odd parents that might think i want my son to get married to his own kind but wallahi, if you have not asked to be introduced to them then how would you know what reaction his parents will have upon seeing you? It is all about the character of the heart NOT the colour of your skin. bear that in mind. Be God fearing and put your trust in Him and InShaaAllah as long as you keep making du'aa, you will be responded too.

Please do update on how it all went and were you are at in life right now.

Salaam wa alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barahkatuh
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Re: Marriage: Somali man + Pakistani woman

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salaam wa Alaikum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatuh

A little late but could not go past without giving advice although it has been a couple of years.

I am a pakistani sister too who has been with a somali brother for 9 years Alhumdulillah and InShaaAllah getting married in March :).

Firstly, i would like to address your concerns about his families not accepting you. Don't be fearful, like many somsli brothers/sisters have stated on this forum, somali parents are very welcoming and accomodating especially wgen it concerns their sons. i met my partners parents last Ramadan and although i was not prepared and completely worried, i actually felt at complete ease Alhumdulillah and it is one of my most memorable moment of my life. Remember, the character of the heart outshines the colour of your skin.

on my part, i have foumd it extremely difficult persuading my mother to accept him. Over tge 9 years i have delayed it so much out of fear of her reaction that i could not put myself forward to tell her but Alhumdulillah, although she is not happy, i still have my blessings and am now planning on completing the second half of my deen InShaaAllah.

In regards to somali parents not accepting due to the cultural/ race/ tradition of the potential daughter/ son in law. I had this converstion with my somali friend who is from west of somalia (don't know her tribe) but currently in a relationship with a brother from the hawiye tribe which is the same tribe as my partners and her mum is against the idea of this due to him being from that specific tribe. Its like the pakistanis "many jat clans cannot marry any rajput clans".
There was an ignorant sister on here that stated that you should stick to your own kind and unfortunately, their are many people out their that share the same thoughts as hers but in this day and age, nobody cares seriously.

InShaaAllah, all your queries were answered to and may you to this present day have fulfilled your dreams of being blessed with the marriage and a long happy snd healthy journey through life.

Salaam wa alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh
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Good luck though. I'm wishing you all the best.
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Euw Pakis out of all people, ugliest creatures in Asia they constitute the sub Indian continent (Pakistan, India and Bangladesh) after all. They all share a similar hindu culture and speak in similar ugly languages they have nothing to in common with HOA or middle eastern cultures.
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i have been to katachi.and it is normal,i have seen countless somalis and pakis tie the knot.i studied there.
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Re: Marriage: Somali man + Pakistani woman

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Afghan, Persians and Kurds are fine but Pakistanis seriously? :?

Somalis are Arabians lineage wise so other Arabs are ideal (Yemenis, Omanis, Saudi, Jordan etc.) atleast they speak Arabic AND can bring your children up correctly.
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