Wadani responds to Khayre's calaacal: "Hadaad xishoon weydeen, waad biqi doontaan"

[balwarama]

For the first time in my 3 years on Snet, its making me burst in to laughter spontaneously. Mr Zumaale please explain the Haplogroups to Khalid Ali. I'm afraid he will commit suicide. Waryaa don't kill ur self man. It is okay to be Darood!

[zumaale]

Zumaale I have nothing against dir your wars against Hutus is about 2 you adigu evebi amiinsano. Anigu I am a pan isaaqist. If you dir want isaaq protecten from hutus. Respect isaaq. Madaluug dir iyo.maha dir. Iyo zumali ramnag ibn Hindi is up 2 you. Gadabuursi iyo ciisaha waxa ula tag.

You see me interfere with your Darood phobia? Balwarama took a shot at the fact that your clan members have different origins by erroneously suggesting I said that Isaaq are not a real clan when I have not made such a claim. You then took it upon yourself to throw shade my way.

Stay in your lane Nigga.

[zumaale]

For the first time in my 3 years on Snet, its making me burst in to laughter spontaneously. Mr Zumaale please explain the Haplogroups to Khalid Ali. I'm afraid he will commit suicide. Waryaa don't kill ur self man. It is okay to be Darood!

Bro, allow me please. I avoid FKD best I can. You already know enough about DNA for FKD purposes.

My services are only available in Genetic Genealogy threads.

[Xildiiid]

All clans are socially constructed but DNA won’t change the one thing that matters the most and that’s blood money.

When shit hits the fan, DNA can’t save anyone.

[balwarama]

Alrite. Fair enuf even thou my understanding of the Haplogroups is limited at best and none existent at worst. I only know the names and I a little I heard from you and Drobbah. That guy (Drobbah) seemed to have embraced his EV haplogroup all be it hesitantly

[Khalid Ali]

Balwarama are you reer isaaq cali and haruun. Or maxammad subeer. You might be our lost son. Iidoor should we adopt this lonely cagdheer

[zumaale]

Alrite. Fair enuf even thou my understanding of the Haplogroups is limited at best and none existent at worst. I only know the names and I a little I heard from you and Drobbah. That guy (Drobbah) seemed to have embraced his EV haplogroup all be it hesitantly

It is a bit more complex than Haplogroups but straightforward once you put some time into it. I knew jack shit about genetics until I became curious about Qabil identities after reading that Dire Dawan Somalis were predominately Haplogroup T.

Y-dna tests are now commonly used by males, mainly North Americans and Arabs, who supposedly descend from a common male ancestor. Cadaans have Surname Projects where males that share the same surname and originate from a particular Geographic area get tested to estimate when this ancestor lived and whether they all share this same ancestor. Arabs are even more obsessed about it nowadays, you get several members of Arab clans getting tested and it has caused controversy because it has led to an increase in Sheegaad accusations. Anyway, I have a similar interest in genetic genealogy.

Somali society is patriarchal and there is some truth to clan identities and alliances. Obviously, there is bound to have been some historical assimilation at some point in History as internecine conflicts within a clan can result in individual clan members abandoning their clan and seeking sanctuary in another clan. Furthermore, warfare would also result in some clan members leaving their traditional territory and seeking safety elsewhere, and possibly assimilating into other clans; the adoptees among the Raxanweyn are a perfect example. Nonetheless, among all major patriarchal clans, it is possible to investigate how its various members relate through y-dna tests. Due to our ingrained bias towards patriarchy, I strongly believe there will be a noticeable trend whereby a lot of clan members from diverse subclans within an umbrella clan will descend from particular y-dna lineages. This is becoming even more evident now that Y-full tests are becoming much more accessible for the common man. For example, in your clan's case, you will probably have an E-V32 subclade that links the different Darood subclan members. The same goes for other clans, you will have a lineage that roughly arose in the past millennium or so uniting members of that particular clan. Among Haplogroup T Dirs, our Haplogroup T subclade has been identified but more of us need to do the test to determine what our TMRCA is and when we split from our distant cousins in the Arabian Gulf.



IMO, the Somali ethnic group is not that old and was only formed in the past millennium or so when you consider how homogeneous we are and inbred we look. Hence, I think the TMRCA (Time Of Most Recent Common Ancestor) of SNP lineages within major Somali clans will not be that old. I believe we Somalis are blessed in that it is easy for us to trace our ancestry through y-dna tests because we come from a highly patriarchal society. The average Farax might not be interested, but to each his own.

If this fringe obsession catches your fancy, the following link gives one a grasp of the basics in regard to y-dna tests.

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/dna-basics/ydna/

[Khalid Ali]

That's allot dna info I need to study these haplogrouo shit. Seems interestin

[balwarama]

Thank you bro Zumaale. I'm more interested in finding out if there is a common Somali ancestor

[Khalid Ali]

Balwarama do you want to become.qawsaar for reer samatar we go deep into hawd.. But you allow 6500 iidoor men mostly reer samatar selttle in dhagaxbuur. We bring our own money housing.our own maids we.have Bengali workers everything what you say.

[balwarama]

War aniga qawsaarnimo ilaahay wuu iga koriye lkn soo dhowaada oo dhagaxbuur iyo Qabridaharba kusoo dhowaada. Waddo yaroo toobiye ah oo garoonka Hargaysa ka dul dhaadhacdana aan samaysano

[balwarama]

Abwaankiina aad sheeg sheegtaanba Maxamed Subeer baa dhalay reer Cabdile reer Warfaa reer Ugaas Magan reer Dalal. Hoyga sugaanta ayaan ka akhriyey intaa. Takale meel waxaa jirta Qabridahare udhow oo layidhaahdo SuryadaJadeer, anaguna magacaa Jadeerka lamaba baxnaba. Kolkaa waxaan isleeyahay waa meeshii ay ka dhacday qisadaa aan hoyga Suugaanta ka akhriyey ee Abwaanka lagu qabsaday!
War gabdho xariirana waad leedihiinee soo dhowaada aan dib uxididnee

[zumaale]

Thank you bro Zumaale. more interested in finding out if there is a common Somali ancestor

I can tell you that there is not a common Somali male ancestor that all present day Somalis descend from.

For instance, DNA Abtirsi wise, I am paternally closer to most Asians, Europeans, even American Indians etc. than I am to an E-V32 Somali. Whilst E-V32 Somalis are more closely related to E1b1a Bantus,E1b1a Niger-Congo people, other E1b1b Horners, E1b1b Europeans etc. than they are to a Haplogroup T Somali.

Nonetheless, most people in Somalia; the Horn of Africa; Sudan and Northern Kenya descend from a common E-V32 ancestor. It is found among Cushitic speaking (Oromo, Somali..), Semitic speaking (Tigre, Amhara), Nilotic speaking (Masai, Luo), Nilo-Saharan (Fur, Masalit) Africans in East/North-East Africa. However, this ancestor did not live in the recent past, and Somalis that are E-V32 are also not necessarily closely related. Even two Daroods that are E-V32 might not necessarily be closely related; E-V32 among Somalis is around four millenniums old.

Like most ethnic groups in the world, we are not paternally 'pure'.

[balwarama]

Ur Dirs are our abtiyal according to legend. It was Dombira that birthed Daaroods offsprings so we are family regardless. BTW there are Cushites in Yemen as well as Socotra. Daarood could have been from those Cushites. There could still be some truth to the story of him coming over from the other side. I mean it is preposterous for people as large as the Darod clan to have agreed to make up this story at some point in the distant history! Some one would have blown the conspiracy, you know. Probably many outside folks were assimilated over the centuries as well

[zumaale]

Ur Dirs are our abtiyal according to legend. It was Dombira that birthed Daaroods offsprings so we are family regardless. BTW there are Cushites in Yemen as well as Socotra. Daarood could have been from those Cushites. There could still be some truth to the story of him coming over from the other side. I mean it is preposterous for people as large as the Darod clan to have agreed to make up this story at some point in the distant history! Some one would have blown the conspiracy, you know. Probably many outside folks were assimilated over the centuries as well

According to our folk history, Dombira was not a daughter of Dir but the daughter of another son of Aji. As things stand, there is no conclusive archaeological or genetic evidence of Cushites inhabiting Yemen or Socotra.

My theory is that your Jabarti ancestor was probably a member of the long established Abyssinian Muslim community that at one time dominated parts of the Horn of Africa. The Adaris, Agrobba, Silte and other Habasha Muslims etc would all have been considered Jabarti. Hence, it is not surprising that there are assimilated people who claim to be related to the Darood Jabarti ancestor among the Afar and even the Oromo of Hararghe/Bale.



Lastly, Dir and Darood are related. As you very well know, we have been intermarrying since time immemorial. Like I said before, just because we do not all share the same paternal lineage does not mean that we are not part of the same ethnic group. As a matter of fact, Somalis are a relatively homogeneous ethnic group from an autosomnal DNA viewpoint. However, my interest is genetic genealogy is restricted to y-dna as it illuminates how millions of Somalis can descend from a few individuals in the distant past. Apart from Royalty and other tribal societies, few people in the world are able to scientifically trace their lineage the way we can.