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ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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this is her voting record

https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candida ... ilhan-omar

you can see she clearly voted against it.

this is ilhan omar site and her statement

https://omar.house.gov/media/press-rele ... ef-somalia

and here is her statement

WASHINGTON–Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) issued the following statement on securing debt relief for Somalia in H.R. 1158 – the DHS Cyber Hunt and Incident Response Teams Act.

I am thrilled we were able to secure debt relief for Somalia today. Somalia continues to hold crushing amounts of debt—which holds back the economy and keeps millions of Somalis in poverty. This doesn’t just have an impact on Somalis in Somalia, but on the thousands of Somali- Americans who live in my district and have family in the region.

“This debt relief package is a major milestone that validates the incredible progress that Somalia has made in the past several years. This should not be seen as the end, but the beginning of renewed diplomatic engagement with the country. There is still more that must be done when it comes to strengthening democracy, respect for human rights, and the relationship between Villa Somalia, regional governments and the people. The U.S. can play a major role in all of this.

“Debt relief is a step in the right direction, and I look forward to continuing to work for the free, peaceful, democratic Somalia we all want to see
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why is she trying to take credit for something she apposed?

and we can clearly see here

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... 158/titles

a republican michael miccual was pushing for this bill.
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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Great politics, that how congressional politics goes, legislative amendments under security always pass learn from out israeli brothers
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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Typhoon wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:09 pm Great politics, that how congressional politics goes, legislative amendments under security always pass learn from out israeli brothers
here are the amendments

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... e=expanded

her name is not on there.
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politics, Washington bro
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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now, we get who took somali debt money
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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i don't think this is politics or even her apposing Trump, this is deeper.
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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Nomand wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:12 pm
Typhoon wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:09 pm Great politics, that how congressional politics goes, legislative amendments under security always pass learn from out israeli brothers
here are the amendments

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... e=expanded

her name is not on there.

As democrat nothimg wrong with this amendament, the reason is republicans proposed the dept relief as national security matter including Thrumps mad wall btw USA and Mexico, what are you expect a democrat like Ilhan? But,what surprised me is the gready way Ilhan took the the bill's gratitude.

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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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bashe19 wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:55 pm
Nomand wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:12 pm
Typhoon wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:09 pm Great politics, that how congressional politics goes, legislative amendments under security always pass learn from out israeli brothers
here are the amendments

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... e=expanded

her name is not on there.

As democrat nothimg wrong with this amendament, the reason is republicans proposed the dept relief as national security matter including Thrumps mad wall btw USA and Mexico, what are you expect a democrat like Ilhan? But,what surprised me is the gready way Ilhan took the the bill's gratitude.

:stylin:
here is the voting record for that bill: https://votesmart.org/bill/votes/70545#.Xf0RL2T7SUk

150 democrats voted yes for the bill. no one would say anything against her for voting yes on this.
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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It can be confusing but is really simple.

1. There is an appropriations bill that has to be passed every year (Congress "funds" the government before the new year).
2. The appropriations bill can contain tens and even hundreds of different bills ("sections" of the appropriations bill like HR 1158 Cyber Hunt blah blah)
3. The House has already passed the appropriations bill and sent it to the Senate
4. The bill passed by the House originally did not contain Somalia debr relief language because Dept of State did not request it
5. When the controversy came out about Somalia possibly not getting debt relief because of technical glitch, probably Ilhan ran to Nancy Pelosi and lobbied the addition personally
6. Because the House already passed the bill and they couldn't go through the whole process, Nancy probay asked the Dem Senators to request it as a "Rider" (attach it to open section of the larger appropriations bill that was still not individually passed through the Senate)
7. Because the Republican bill Cyber Hunt blah blah also funds ICE, it was probably still one of the few sections of the appropriations bill that was still open (hadn't unanimously been approved in Senate because Dems wanted better look)
8. It was probay then added as a "Rider" by the Senate which means it is safe since the House will approve it unceremoniously and quickly when it is time to have the bill be signed by Trump in the new year
9. Because the vote is not close, Ilhan will continue with the Squad's position of not voting for any bill that funds ICE
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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Nomand wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:24 pm
here is the voting record for that bill: https://votesmart.org/bill/votes/70545#.Xf0RL2T7SUk

150 democrats voted yes for the bill. no one would say anything against her for voting yes on this.
Neither Ilhan nor the Squad vote for any bill that funds ICE immigration patrol.

Because they know some bills like appropriations will pass regardless, they still work to get their stuff in but on principle they never vote for the bill in the end
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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Voltage,

I think she actually had legit reasons to not vote for it. What comes off as insincere and shady is the fact that on social media she was taking credit for it when in fact she voted against it. If she would've come out and said I support Somalia debt relief, but because of these other things in the bill I can't vote for it, people wouldn't view her with a suspicious eye. What she did instead was tweet out how we got it done and how great Somali debt relief is, when she voted against it.
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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Get off her back guys, Ilhaan probably lobbied for it in secret but couldnt vote against party lines. I give her benefit of the doubt
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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Always knew there was something sheisty about her
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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Shirib,

Anytime you must "explain" in politics, you have lost control of the narrative.

The problem here isn't hypocrisy/being shady. The problem herr is there is a Primary Audience and a Secondary Audience.

The Primary Audience is the liberal constituency tha directly controls her fate in her district and the wider resistance. The secondary audience are the Somalis of the world whom she did a "courtesy."

To the primary audience, Ilhan has nothing to do with any bill that, among other things, funds ICE. They have actually stuck to their guns and been a headache to Nancy and the Dem leadership on this. Ilhan cannot "explain" her involvement in this because that's having lost control of her narrative.

However, I say again, because of the existential emergency surrounding the debt relief issue for Somalia presented by the bureacratic mixup brought to all of our attention by Foreign Policy Magazine, she probably did run to Nancy and expend personal capital to facilitate a remedy. Afterwards, she announced it for our assurance and because she is an ethnic Somali, and probably did push a remedy, it was an expression of happiness that it was done.

But to her larger narrative and primary audience, she had nothing to do with a bill that funds ice and opposed.

Generally Congress does this all the time. Dems come from different districts. In votes that are not close, some will choose not to vote for the overall bill to have a record to show their primary audience, but to be productive they will work out deals to get their things inserted. In exchange, the leadership will use this favor to hold against them in nail biter close votes.

It's normal legislative process.
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Re: ilhan omar voted against Somalia debt relief Bill

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Shirib wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:38 pm Voltage,

I think she actually had legit reasons to not vote for it. What comes off as insincere and shady is the fact that on social media she was taking credit for it when in fact she voted against it. If she would've come out and said I support Somalia debt relief, but because of these other things in the bill I can't vote for it, people wouldn't view her with a suspicious eye. What she did instead was tweet out how we got it done and how great Somali debt relief is, when she voted against it.
If she inserted the debt relief into the bill she should get credit for it. Especially considering it's an minibus bill and it has to get passed to overcome a government shutdown. It's a win-win for her in that case.
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