Ethiopian troops crackdown on Beledweyne troublemakers

[Murax]

Murax, as Farmaajo said in his early days speech, " i am oday dhaqameed" he should act as one. We all know where our country come from, and it was in a healing process. His priority should have been rebuilding (all clans) army, and mixing with SNA, prioritising the fight against Al-Shabab, having healthy cooperation with Regional govs, instead he opted the opposite.

He should have thought of leaving a legacy instead he opted installing puppets for his return using every turn and twist. I, for one, would suggest the constution to be included a motion that's barring the incumbent President to run consecutive second term. He/She could only run 8 years after his/her first term.

I disagree with you about ‘Puppets’ but I see where you’re coming from, and I don’t even blame you because as you said we are post war, and have been conditioned to think like this. Okay did N&N have their candidates that they pushed? I’ll give you that. But how are regional Governors who agree to not become opponents, enemies of the Federal Government ‘puppets’? Working with a Government is somehow a crime. 4/6 regional governors have an understanding with the Government, and there are not 6 alternate visions, foreign policies, agendas but 1. That is not dictatorship but how any civilized country should run.

[zidane88]

Murax, as Farmaajo said in his early days speech, " i am oday dhaqameed" he should act as one. We all know where our country come from, and it was in a healing process. His priority should have been rebuilding (all clans) army, and mixing with SNA, prioritising the fight against Al-Shabab, having healthy cooperation with Regional govs, instead he opted the opposite.

He should have thought of leaving a legacy instead he opted installing puppets for his return using every turn and twist. I, for one, would suggest the constution to be included a motion that's barring the incumbent President to run consecutive second term. He/She could only run 8 years after his/her first term.

I disagree with you about ‘Puppets’ but I see where you’re coming from, and I don’t even blame you because as you said we are post war, and have been conditioned to think like this. Okay did N&N have their candidates that they pushed? I’ll give you that. But how are regional Governors who agree to not become opponents, enemies of the Federal Government ‘puppets’? Working with a Government is somehow a crime. 4/6 regional governors have an understanding with the Government, and there are not 6 alternate visions, foreign policies, agendas but 1. That is not dictatorship but how any civilized country should run.

Murax, firstly we're not civilized country but bunch of arrogants loyal to clans, henceforth it is important not to disrupt the flow against the wildebeest untill appropriate time. Do you honestly believe that, in current situation, the right time to act as silverback and beat the chest?
Of course, installing a puppet is crime in Somalia since its triggering old nightmares. Did you forget that people had been killed, raped, subjugated, tortured, and displaced in Kacaan era by hand-picked loyal officals. Do you deny that nepotism was rampant in that era?

Why it is so important to dictate while you can cooperate? We have seen S/westerners were forced to Lafta-green, Guudlaawe is not wanted by hiiraanians. Galmudug, Ahlusunna had been deposed, and all have been used by barrel of a gun. where is the 4/6 you talking about?

It is an insult to our intelligence when you try to sugarcoat a wannabe dictator.

[Shirib]

Abkoow, please. read carefully.

The violent clashes and early casualties took place between the local Somali forces and the protestors.

Somali forces have had to be completely reforned in general so you can imagine they were not prepared for lae enforcement then.

Ethiopians were asked to take over and restore calm with the intention of preventing further clashes and casualties.

SINCE THEN, the people of Southwest State everywhere sing their praises---just like the people of Baardeere and Garbaharey.

Ethiopia is a country we still have not signed full peace treaty and there is a lot to account for----but the govt of Ethiopia sincr Abiy Ahmed has not been the Ethiopia of TPLF and Gabre.

Let's just try to be objective here.

That's not true. Ethiopian troops were the ones that abducted Roobow. They also took part in the massacre of civilians that took place in Baydhabo.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Abkoow, please. read carefully.

The violent clashes and early casualties took place between the local Somali forces and the protestors.

Somali forces have had to be completely reforned in general so you can imagine they were not prepared for lae enforcement then.

Ethiopians were asked to take over and restore calm with the intention of preventing further clashes and casualties.

SINCE THEN, the people of Southwest State everywhere sing their praises---just like the people of Baardeere and Garbaharey.

Ethiopia is a country we still have not signed full peace treaty and there is a lot to account for----but the govt of Ethiopia sincr Abiy Ahmed has not been the Ethiopia of TPLF and Gabre.

Let's just try to be objective here.

That's not true. Ethiopian troops were the ones that abducted Roobow. They also took part in the massacre of civilians that took place in Baydhabo.

This guy has no shame bro.

[kaliil]

Maleeshiyada xuud ayaa dad weeraray xalay.


https://aljasiiranews.com/so/2020/12/30 ... CTw53M8fVo

[Voltage]

Abkoow, please. read carefully.

The violent clashes and early casualties took place between the local Somali forces and the protestors.

Somali forces have had to be completely reforned in general so you can imagine they were not prepared for lae enforcement then.

Ethiopians were asked to take over and restore calm with the intention of preventing further clashes and casualties.

SINCE THEN, the people of Southwest State everywhere sing their praises---just like the people of Baardeere and Garbaharey.

Ethiopia is a country we still have not signed full peace treaty and there is a lot to account for----but the govt of Ethiopia sincr Abiy Ahmed has not been the Ethiopia of TPLF and Gabre.

Let's just try to be objective here.

That's not true. Ethiopian troops were the ones that abducted Roobow. They also took part in the massacre of civilians that took place in Baydhabo.

I hate to even get into any discourse surrounding the identification of death, but your bias towards Rooboow is well established (just disclaiming) and I have no love lost for the man.

The word "massacre" should by now be, even to Rooboow supporters, a joke.

Rooboow had an armed militia. Their existence was well established before the initial clash with Somali police. He wielded it as threat during the weeks the Somali Gov warned him about breaking the terms of his amnesty.

The Ethiopians provided escort of his arrest to the airplane. Their presence in the city was required after heavy, bogged down fighting betweem police and Rooboow's miltia. Without the Ethiopians being called in, armed non-State actors would have made Baidoa into a warzone. The fact that they had disproportionate force is what quickly stabilized the situation.

Finally Shirib, at beginning I said "by now" because we seen more than incidents similar to Rooboow where paramilitary/non-State actors have received the same response from govt.

Dhusamareb even had 16 casualties to Baidoa's 11, yet not only does no one use the word "massacre" no one even partakes in the discourse of apologism bro.

Sheikh Shakir was the same as Rooboow, they both had a miltia, there were Ethiopians in both cities, and the Ethiopians stabilized both cities after clashes.

The only reason why there was even room for apologism with Rooboow is because he was the first strike so all kinds of suppositions and misreading was able to find some space to profilerate.

Rooboow wasn't even Sh Shakir who had saved up gratitude; he was destructive beyond tolerable realm and in no other country in the world would he have been forgiven.

Yet he was---and he not only broke the terms of the amnesty, but the impunity, and complete disregard for the capacity of forgiveness would have made a mockery of governance itself.

He left no choice, just like Sh Shaakir left no choice, and Janan left no choice, and this man Xuud is leaving no choice.

ersis predicated on the "civilians."

16 people died in Dhusamareb.

[BigBreak]

Not surprised faqash are supporting the crimes of the stone cold loser Farmajo. Are reer small teeth incapable of producing even a leader that is average as opposed to poor

[Shirib]

Voltage,

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're misinformed and not just bold faced lying but the way you're remembering things is absolutely incorrect.

Rooboow had an armed militia. Their existence was well established before the initial clash with Somali police. He wielded it as threat during the weeks the Somali Gov warned him about breaking the terms of his amnesty.

This is not true Roobow had no armed militia in Baydhabo and wielded no threat. He never even once said something against the federal government or other candidates. That was never part of his amnesty deal. Government failed to produce any documents that said it did. Even the UN knew it wasn't part of any amnestly deal.

The Ethiopians provided escort of his arrest to the airplane. Their presence in the city was required after heavy, bogged down fighting betweem police and Rooboow's miltia. Without the Ethiopians being called in, armed non-State actors would have made Baidoa into a warzone. The fact that they had disproportionate force is what quickly stabilized the situation

Again absolutely not true. There was no Roobow militia. There was no fighting. Roobow was told to come to a meeting of all the candidates and when he came he was ambushed and arrested by Ethiopian troops. He had no more than 5 or 6 security guards. Where was this militia you keep mentioning that didn't fire off a single shot?

Finally Shirib, at beginning I said "by now" because we seen more than incidents similar to Rooboow where paramilitary/non-State actors have received the same response from govt.

Dhusamareb even had 16 casualties to Baidoa's 11, yet not only does no one use the word "massacre" no one even partakes in the discourse of apologism bro.

Sheikh Shakir was the same as Rooboow, they both had a miltia, there were Ethiopians in both cities, and the Ethiopians stabilized both cities after clashes.

Roobow had no militia in Baydhabo, there was no fighting in Baydhabo. There was a protest and Ethiopian and federal troops gunning down protestors. Dhusamareeb was involving Ahlul Sunnah forces and Federal forces. Baydhabo was civillians protesting getting gunned down by live ammo. To say otherwise is a plain lie.


You say Roobow left no choice, when in reality he did nothing but decide to run for a seat that he was entitled to run for. Leading up to the elections he didn't threaten the federal government or any other candidates. He had no militia in Baydhabo, to say he did is just not true. I'm not sure where you got that story that a militia was present and he was going to start a fight.

When all of this initially happened you were clearly against the arrest of Roobow, I'm not sure why you're changing the story up now.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Voltage,

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're misinformed and not just bold faced lying but the way you're remembering things is absolutely incorrect.

Rooboow had an armed militia. Their existence was well established before the initial clash with Somali police. He wielded it as threat during the weeks the Somali Gov warned him about breaking the terms of his amnesty.

This is not true Roobow had no armed militia in Baydhabo and wielded no threat. He never even once said something against the federal government or other candidates. That was never part of his amnesty deal. Government failed to produce any documents that said it did. Even the UN knew it wasn't part of any amnestly deal.

The Ethiopians provided escort of his arrest to the airplane. Their presence in the city was required after heavy, bogged down fighting betweem police and Rooboow's miltia. Without the Ethiopians being called in, armed non-State actors would have made Baidoa into a warzone. The fact that they had disproportionate force is what quickly stabilized the situation

Again absolutely not true. There was no Roobow militia. There was no fighting. Roobow was told to come to a meeting of all the candidates and when he came he was ambushed and arrested by Ethiopian troops. He had no more than 5 or 6 security guards. Where was this militia you keep mentioning that didn't fire off a single shot?

Finally Shirib, at beginning I said "by now" because we seen more than incidents similar to Rooboow where paramilitary/non-State actors have received the same response from govt.

Dhusamareb even had 16 casualties to Baidoa's 11, yet not only does no one use the word "massacre" no one even partakes in the discourse of apologism bro.

Sheikh Shakir was the same as Rooboow, they both had a miltia, there were Ethiopians in both cities, and the Ethiopians stabilized both cities after clashes.

Roobow had no militia in Baydhabo, there was no fighting in Baydhabo. There was a protest and Ethiopian and federal troops gunning down protestors. Dhusamareeb was involving Ahlul Sunnah forces and Federal forces. Baydhabo was civillians protesting getting gunned down by live ammo. To say otherwise is a plain lie.


You say Roobow left no choice, when in reality he did nothing but decide to run for a seat that he was entitled to run for. Leading up to the elections he didn't threaten the federal government or any other candidates. He had no militia in Baydhabo, to say he did is just not true. I'm not sure where you got that story that a militia was present and he was going to start a fight.

When all of this initially happened you were clearly against the arrest of Roobow, I'm not sure why you're changing the story up now.

Bravo.

[Voltage]

Shirib,

You were the reason why I was against his arrest. And Sahal is why I am against utilizing force against Xuud. And Mahadalla is why I was against Ahlu Sunnah armed standoff.

And Abkoow is why I am against escalation of street tension with Madasha.

You see, Shirib, I never fail to appreciate the extent to which clan loyalties can be the ONE deciding factor in a Somalis' choice between rational and irrational thinking.

Look at you. The one top leader of Al Shabaab who was Digil and Mirifle is the one you not only singularly cared about in an entire movement, but he is the one your support is not even "in spite of" (like "i support him, in spite of his crimes" ), but rather "at the expense of" (like " i support him, even at the expense of his guilt").

I cautioned against his arrest not because of him, but because of YOU, .i.e. "Digil & Mirifle, in the interest of not adversely affecting reconciliation.

Quickly,

1. The day of his arrest, I explained he was illegally cultivating a militia.
   

   • Secondly, I don't support the arrest of Abu Mansuur, but apparently AMISOM has said he reneged on his conditions of surrender and cultivated armed militia from his previous Shabaab group whose loyalty he had.
     
     https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... c#p4913431

2. On the day of clashes, the government said it arrested him because he broke amnesty as armed non-State actor

   • Following his arrest, a government statement said he had been organising a militia in Baidoa.
     
     "These actions indicate that he never relinquished his extremist ideologies and is ready to harm the Somali people again," the statement said.
     
     https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46566484

3. And most importantly, eye witness accounts confirm the "protest" in Baidoa was between security forces and Rooboow's militia
   

   • Baidoa residents said the arrest sparked off clashes between Baidoa militiamen loyal to Robow and Somali and Ethiopian security forces.
     
     https://www.reuters.com/article/us-soma ... SKBN1OC1D8

Finally, it doesn't even make sense for you to be that irrational on this subject.

Rooboow fell out with Shabaab and for years escaped their wrath in the heartland of Shabaab control. Do you think he did that by hiding in an attic like Ann Frank?

Most importantly, Rooboow is not unique so it is time to dispell what the entire myth is based on.

Dahir Hassan Aweys turned himself in and was given amnesty but under house confinement.

The head of Shabaab for Gedo, Adan Coonbe (from my own juffo hoosaad of Marehan/rer Dini/rer Siyaad) turned himself in at Baardeere but was given amnesty only if he walked straight to a waiting plane and house confinement in Mogadishu.



Amnesty did not absolve the guilt or the crimes. Amnesty is a privilege and this is what Rooboow failed to understand at a basic level.

Rooboow chose differently and the consequences lie with him and the authenticity of his claimed reformation.

In the end, given all that has happened since taken into consideration for greater context, we know even if the Gov had their own candidate in that election , that truth is independent of another truth---Rooboow was given amnesty by the Gov and it is their terms he failed to abide by.

[Shirib]

Voltage,

That's a sheeko the dowlad concocted. There was no amnesty deal that was broken, if there was the government would've showed the deal that was signed that said he couldn't run. Roobow had no militia in Baydhabo he never did, they've always been in Bakool and are still there. He wasn't raising a militia to fight the dowlad or anyone. If there was where's the militia, that was there? Where are their dead militiamen, and weapons? That's a joke the federal government tried to push. All they really did was killed a bunch of innocent civilians

The dowlad was perfectly fine with Roobow running and winning when they thought he was the only chance that they would have to eliminate Shariif Sakiin. Once Sakiin was out of the way they decided to shove Laftagareen down the throats of the people even though it was clear Roobow would've won the election.

No idea who Gedo guy is but Hassan Dahir Aweys was captured by Galmudug forces he did not negotiate a surrender of any sort.

You don't have to like Roobow but he was the popular choice in the region he's from and would've won. Save me the details of his crimes, there's plenty to go around and the federal government has no problem employing them.