ayaan hirsi ali nominated for nobel peace prize :)

[afdhere]

surria, oh my god ! about japan-- are you kidding me? do you know someone called yoriko kawaguchi? uhm, why don't you google her oh wait... let me give you another name, chikage ogi hint, hint-- both of these women held some of japan's most prestigeous public offices.

that said, in private companies, japanese women are not on the rank as high. this is because japan is oddly enough a country that has roles for women and men. and everyone is happy with it. but there are no laws to inequality. the problem with muslim countries is that there are laws that are making women suffer.

as for fgm, try again the leading countries are: somalia, egypt, sudan, ethiopia, mali... in that order. and those who practice are almost always all muslim. for example, in ethiopia... it is 96% muslim practiced. compare that with egypt's 97% of muslim practice and sudan's 89% of muslim practice.

why is that tanzanian muslims are predominantly practicing... but not non-muslim congo? why is that 94% of those who practice in kenya are muslim-- especially somali and kutchi?

also, it is practiced in saudi arabia, iraq, iraq, pakistan, indonesia, and malaysia-- ALL muslim none african

lets face it, it is a muslim problem.


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[afdhere]

qansa... in europe, conservativism is different. it is not radical and certainly not "religious." europe is pretty much godless. and happy with it.

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[surria]

"Takako Doi
Takako Doi is a role model for many Japanese women politicians for being the first woman speaker of the House of Representatives and ruled for three years from 1993-1996. In 1986, she took up her post as chairperson of the Social Democratic Party. It was the first time that a woman got the post. Her rise to power sparked what Japanese media termed as "Madonna boom" - a wave of women who aspired to enter politics and follow her example"

Hence, japan has been known to have strict guidlines to not allow women in leadership positions. Inequality, arises when the state denies the equality of opportunity.

Anyway, i want to hear your response to the fact that none muslims perform fmg, example given previously? And what is your view on the women of Idia and the isues of dawry threat?

[afdhere]

surria,

one must look at japan as a whole. it is a society of chosen roles. and until recently, those were traditionally excluded roles. the law in japan has ALWAYS been equal. in somalia, for example, we had an equaltiy law. women could do just about anything men could do. yet, because society is inequal... we chose to be inequal.

as for why non-muslims do things muslims do in muslim-dominanted countries, some non-muslims in predominantly muslim areas do things that muslims do. it is that "when in rome" saying. it just happens take the palestinians, for example. very few christian palestinians commit suicide missions. yet... there are just a few

now, fgm amongst the maasai, for example. one must understand the maasai come from the northern tanzania... and now are all the way in somalia. but originally, they are from tanzania area. the part of tanzaia they are from (the north) is predominantly muslim. circumcision was probably introduced to them in the middle ages when arabs controlled the swahili (from coastal tanzania all the way to coastal somalia.)


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[dhuusa_deer]

If murders like Begin and Arafat can win Nobel Prize, I don't see why not mother of God Ayan Hirsi


But I was hoping for joint Bush-Blair nomination. I still vividly remember the image of Iraqis, in 70% turnout, voting. A defiant and bold act that sent fear and hope to all the oppressed arab masses and their leaders. Dancing afterwards in the streets. Ah who loves freedom and democracy and can forget that.

You can't get ppl to get off their asses and vote in peacefull country. Iraqis on the other hand defy danger to their lives by voting and dance in jubilant mood afterwards to express their happiness. Simply unforgetable!

[generalka]

"joint Bush-Blair nomination"

need i say more? Dude, I really dont know what wrong with you but you gotta get yourself checked out. Bush kulaha; I would understand if you said Blair, but BUSH! WTF

[afdhere]

dhuusa, although i share your happy feelings about the way iraqis defied terror and voted, i cannot forget at what price that came. over 100K iraqi civilians are dead. that is a big, big number of people six feet under

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[Basra-]

R u seriooouuss??????????


My goodness!!!

[dhuusa_deer]

Generalka & Afdheere,

I understand Iraqis paid great price. I also understand and KNOW that all great causes come at great price. Nazism was defeated with 20, 000, 000 lifes plus all the civilian causaulties (at least 3 or 4 times that #), total infrastructure destruction and material cost. Blood had to be paid for the freedoms we enjoy today. Nothing is free in our wretched and cruel world.

Iraqis today are FREE, free to elect whom they like, free to take charge and assume full responsibility for the destiny of their nation (will come into effect when the US leaves). And not be in the hands of cruel, despotic strongman. Is all good? No. But it will eventually be helluva better place then it was before.

Look at it from this angle. Saddam was ALREADY killing 10s of thousands of Iraqis a year through a double whammy of criminal negligence and literally shredding them in tree shredders. He was already killing iraqis en masse. He may not have had WMDs but who cares. He WAS WMDs unto himself by the way he brutally ruled Iraq and indiscriminately killed. We all remember what he did to the Kurds, to the Shias and to average Iraqis who refused to kowtow.

I can't for the life of me understand how ANYONE can fault a nation for getting rid of such EVIL man. I'm stumped!

[afdhere]

dhuusa,

see... the problem is that the west craeted saddam. why should iraqis pay for his destruction? the problem with the nazis was that germany freely elected hitler, even though they read his book... his chaotic and racist book... long before he ran for office. if they lost 50% of their nation, it would be understandable. but that is not the case with iraq.

also, before saddam, the west put together three violently enemies under one roof. in any right world, iraq would have been three countries; kurdistan, iraq and shi'iya. but no lol

from an iraqi point of view, it would seem that the west plays a cruel game on the lives of poor iraqis and that is not fair.

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