I started a blog about Somali history

[zingii]

I've been told he was Marehan but allahu-aclam.

god knows but one thing is for sure and that is he was
muslim.

[gurey25]

even i as an isaaq can claim links to shiekh abadir, because our ancestor shiekh isxaaq spent most of his life in harar and married his first wife from the family of shiekh abadir.

Do you mean Zulaikha "Sharifo", or Xaniifa "Xabusho"?

xaniifa mother of bah xabusho

[gurey25]

but the identity of afran qallo formed after 1560 when the oromo conquered harar.
some somali clans did not fully integrate like the karanle which are still in harar..

akiisho and gurgura are madaxweyne dir and used to have the leadership of all somali clans in the harar area but were destroyed
by amde seyon in 1340...

the gadabursi were the dir clan that survived and recovered the most, while the rest are small today.

and somali clans once they become nomadic have a huge range, the mahe dir that lived in central sanaag today are in mudug and even more south..

marexaan were in nugaal as late as the 1700's but have moved into the NFD..

In some oromo genealogies, Akichu is one of 5 SONS of Bareento...they used to live in areas streching from current day Gadabursi lands upto north in wallo!
What isamazing is the name of these lands ressemble : places called wachaale are found in both places; asabo clans are found in both place etc...

B.

so you are saying that akiisho were oromo that were somalisized before the oromo expansion of 1530's and then they got semi-oromosized by the time the oromo surrounded harar?

makes sense..
but why do the gurgura claim them as a brother subclan

[bareento]

Honestly I am not claiming Akichu, I dont even see why i would claim a clan!

I am very much fascinated by oromo history....in his book about oromo written around 1590 Abbaa Bahrey classified Akkicho as one of the sons of Bareentuma!
It happens that there are Somali clans by the name of Akisho who has the same subclans as the oromo akichu subclan...besides the subclan names of the akisho are oromo names! its amazing coincidence isnt it!

If Akicho by 1590 was a major tribe like Maccaa, Arsi ...that means their origin goes back at least two century....
I deal with facts not with claims.

B.

[Mondey]

I've been told he was Marehan but allahu-aclam.

god knows but one thing is for sure and that is he was
muslim.

yes most importantly he was somali and muslim

[BlackVelvet]

Yawn.. This whole topic turned into a bunch of grown men crying iyo screaming ''YOU'RE WRONG, HE WAS FROM MY CLAN'' Then whispering to themselves.. ''I hope they dont figure I'm only claiming this because I want my clan to be relevant...''..

Get a grip.. Who cares what clan he was from.. He wasn't fighting for a clan but rather for ISLAM.. I doubt he himself even cared what clan he hailed from!

[Voltage]

barentoo, afran qallo were not mentioned in amde seyons glorious victories, this was from the 1340's
harla, some afar and somali clans and hadiya were mentioned.

the futux al xabash does not mention any afran qallo at all...

didnt you enter the area the 1560's?

wasnt it your first waves of gadaa...

dint you conquer the area at that time?

where were the afran qallo then?

Somalis and afars and adaris and people related to them like the silti can claim shiekh abadir, i dont know where you come into the picture?

how does an oromo claim shiekh abadir when he died a few hundred years before the oromo arrived?

Oromo have never been and will never be in any of these discussions. They have nothing to do with this history.

Barantuma, the walls of Harrar were built by people like Amir Nur to keep the Oromo out and it is only after the exhaustion and defeat by the alliance of the Portuguese and Abbysinia did you guys get entrance into the city.

[Aliyyi Oromada]

WestLdn

but why do the gurgura claim them as a brother subclan

The problem with claims is people make so many claims they start contradicting themselves. ie. The Argobbaa claim they are banu umayya (banu makhzuum). Now the ones in west harargee say they're Qaalluu. Qaalluu in turn claim they are somali, but that really they are descendants of abu bakr assaddiiq, who is not from banu umayya. All these tribes have a couple claims up their sleeves that dont add up.

[bareento]

Alleyle! Bantu after posing as Somali now tries to pose as descendant of Abadir nthg more nthg less

Cut the crap and go dance your Niko

B.

[Aliyyi Oromada]

barentoo, afran qallo were not mentioned in amde seyons glorious victories, this was from the 1340's
harla, some afar and somali clans and hadiya were mentioned.

the futux al xabash does not mention any afran qallo at all...

didnt you enter the area the 1560's?

wasnt it your first waves of gadaa...

dint you conquer the area at that time?

where were the afran qallo then?

Somalis and afars and adaris and people related to them like the silti can claim shiekh abadir, i dont know where you come into the picture?

how does an oromo claim shiekh abadir when he died a few hundred years before the oromo arrived?

Oromo have never been and will never be in any of these discussions. They have nothing to do with this history.

Barantuma, the walls of Harrar were built by people like Amir Nur to keep the Oromo out and it is only after the exhaustion and defeat by the alliance of the Portuguese and Abbysinia did you guys get entrance into the city.

Oromos swallowed both sides of the warring parties. The Muslims and the Christians. 90% of the war happened on what is today Oromo land, and most of the tribes that took part in the conflict today belong to an Oromo clan.

[Voltage]

Aliyyi when you look at the Imam Ahmed wars and what we Somalis call "firxad" following post-war (firxad means remnants), then you start to wonder why there is a lot of confusion in the boundary between Oromo and Somali and particularly around Harar area. Clans and supporters of the Imam fled every which way and settled. I know a Gurage guy who told me there are people from Gurage in family town that claim to be from "Marehan". I can then imagine why Gurgura and Akiisho would have fluctuating identities depending on whom they live with between the two Ethnic group when Qallu themselves claim Sheekhaal Aw-Qudub who are a thoroughly Somali people in their mainstay but Qallu will not claim they are originally Somalis because of theroughly Oromized nature today.

[Voltage]

Oromos swallowed both sides of the warring parties. The Muslims and the Christians. 90% of the war happened on what is today Oromo land, and most of the tribes that took part in the conflict today belong to an Oromo clan.

I have always stipulated that Somalis should stop speaking to Oromo as a single ethnic group; it is a confederation united by language in a territory. I am aware of that.

[James Dahl]

even i as an isaaq can claim links to shiekh abadir, because our ancestor shiekh isxaaq spent most of his life in harar and married his first wife from the family of shiekh abadir.

Do you mean Zulaikha "Sharifo", or Xaniifa "Xabusho"?

xaniifa mother of bah xabusho

I hadn't heard about this, do you know her abtiris to Sheikh Abadir?

[gurey25]

sadly no.. women are hardly mentioned in abtiris..
Shiekh isxaaq is mentioned in harari manuscripts there might be more details to pick up

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Ahmed gurey ayantuu sidaa uu eekadow ayu marexaan noogoon doonaa.

Siyaad bareeh made up history will never take reer gedo and planting in the heart of zeila

i believe that is better to claim kaddafi as a marexan and stop trying to rob awdal history from the Abrayn (gadabursi).

Hater...Gadabursi are insignificant anyway