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[TheMailMan]

By the way, not all Somalis are E1b1b... there's a large group of native Somalis that falls under T.

Frequency of T reaches 30% in the Ogaden province and almost 40% in Somaliland.

Indeed, and the "T Haplogroup" is found primarily in Asia, especially the Iraq and Syria region.

And I was making the correct point that Somalis are not related to Sub-Saharan Blacks (Kenyans, Nigerians, Zulus) at all. We Somalis fall under a completely different category.

[Sophisticate]

T is also found sparsely in isolated pockets in Cameron, among the Fulani and even in Zambia. However it's highest frequency in the world is in Horn of Africa, primarily in the Somali galbeed.

[Somaliwaste]

Haplo-T

[Sophisticate]

The map seems like a good representation.

[Togdeer]

I don't think all Somalis have the same DNA. I believe northerners and southerners are different.
But I think Somalis are more closely related to Ethiopians than Arabs.

[TheMailMan]

Alhamdulilah, we are the most unique people. We should preserve our homogeneity and uniqueness....and never sacrifice our identity for the sake of "diversity" or "Black brotherhood"

I am what my ancestors were. I am a Somali.

[MaliPrince]

I do not claim to be White or Arab or Madow.

But you claim brotherhood with Madow people based on "Africanness".....get the fuck outta my face with that shit. We Somalis enslaved and went to war with these Jareer Bantus for centuries. You can't come to me with this "Black Brotherhood" nonsense.

My Somali people are my brothers, while the Oromos and Afars are genetically similar to us.

Where's your evidence? I've showed you that the Somalis fall under the genetic haplogroup E1B1B1 while our SNP Markers, genetic classifications and phenotype are ALL completely different from the African Bantus. We actually are not related to the Nigerians or the Congolese. Get that through your thick f-king skull

but E1b1b1 (the somali marker) and E1b1a (the bantu marker) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E1b1a are BOTH descended from E-P2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-P2

E-P2 is likely to have originated in the highlands of East Africa's Ethiopia, as this is the place with the high frequency of ancestral subclades of this haplogroup. E-P2 is the ancestor of the majority of E subclade lineages existing today. It has diverged into two subclades: E-V38 and E-M215 approximately 24-27,000 years ago

30,000 years ago, both us and the bantu shared the same ancestor.

so while you are right they are not our CLOSEST relatives, we are still more closesly related to them than ALMOST any other humans outside Africa.

[Twist]

Imagine sheikh Grant and his mates reading threads like this for 'research purposes' and thinking "The nerve on these delusional niggers"

[MaliPrince]

This is why I can't take you seriously:

LESS THAN 1% OF ALL SOMALIS LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES. The vast majority of us live in the Horn of Africa or the Middle East. Why the fuck are you grouping Somalis in with Jareers based on the limited experiences of the very few Somalis who happen to live in North America?

Is logic something you can't seem to understand? I do not define myself based on American standards. I define myself based on Somalinimo, and my history.

I am who my ancestors are. I am a Somali.

somali culture ACROSS THE DIASPORA is pretty uniform from my experience. no matter where in the world we live we're the same. with the internet and globalization, Somali youth in africa and the middle east are the same as the youth in the west. i've visited family members in Somalia, the UAE, and England. And eventhough I live in America, I saw all the kids around my age (18-30) were very similar whether they lived in Europe, Africa, or the Arab world. IN EVERY COUNTRY, somali kids listened to hip-hop, liked American movies, and enjoyed european soccer.

just check out the new years celebration in jig-jiga.



you would think this was minnesota based on the influence of hip-hop culture in terms of clothing and music. but no, its in Africa. you can get mad all you want, but the MAJORITY of Somalis around the world (regardless of location) identify as BLACK.

[MaliPrince]

Wallahi our Somali ancestors of the past would NEVER suck up to these Jareer Bantus.

But today in 2015, you have all sorts of inferiority-complex ridden Twitter Somalis sucking up to these Jareer people (Jamaicans, African-Americans, etc.) There's something deeply wrong with these Twitter Somalis

They're all a bunch of suck-ups and Madow wannabes.

I am not talking about that time frame, but like 10 years ago. It was mostly with teens and young men who would insist on associating with the ARABS (you know bc of the war and everything). But now the MAJORITY are proud ethnic Somalis. Today If anybody asked: "why Somalia is in the Arab league? you don't speak Arabic". They would respond with : "who the fk are the Arabs throw it in the trash on your way out, I"m an African". If it was before, they would be like "but Mauritania, Djibouti and "Jozor Al Qamar" don't speak Arabic also so what?"

Alhamdulilah for that. Some Somalis fall under two extremes here;

1. The Somalis who insist we are Arabs.

2. The Somalis who insist we are the same as Jareer-Bantu people (African Americans, Jamaicans, Nigerians)

Those two positions are utterly wrong, and are espoused by Somalis with an inferiority complex. Somalis are a noble people with a proud history, and we refuse to allow some self-hating Twitter Somali erase our heritage and history.

We are a Cushitic people. Our DNA haplogroup is E1B1B1 and it's utterly disconnected from both the Arabs and the Jareer people

I think the mistake you are making is you assume that racial identity is a CHOICE. In America, we don't really have a choice. In this country they had something called the one-drop rule which meant that anyone with any black/african ancestry was considered black regardless of what else they might be mixed with. Its why Barack Obama is considered the first BLACK president in America (not multiracial or mixed). Its also how this guy



was head of the NAACP. the leading black rights advocacy organization in America. His name is Ben Jealous and in America he counts as a black man.

So even if Somalis wanted to shout from the rooftops they were not the same as the descendants of West African slaves (and many do), the American racial construct doesn't care. Its why your position is futile and meaningless. No one cares about DNA or whatever. Race is about phenotype and cultural perception. And in America, MOST Somalis are viewed and treated as black. I used the word most because there are some Somalis (those with timo aad uu jileec) that can pass as Indian or Arab sometimes. But most of us can't be anything but black in America.

[jalaaludin5]

KnowThySelf23

[MaliPrince]

Africa is a vast continent with different racial and ethnic groups, and there is NOTHING we share with the Jareer people except skin pigmentation.

We don't even share a:

1. Language FALSE
2. Religion FALSE
3. DNA haplogroup FALSE
4. History UNKNOWN
5. Culture PARTIALLY FALSE

.....with these Madow people. Nothing at all

We share NOTHING with these Jareers except melanin, yet you wanna include yourself in with them. Something is seriously wrong with you. Wallahi you are the definition of an Uncle Tom. You suck up to these Bantu people and beg for their acceptance.

1. The Afro-Asiatic language family includes the Chadic languages spoken by people with largely bantu ancestry. Hausa is one of the most widely spoken languages in West Africa and its Afro-Asiatic just like af-Somali. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_language

2. Islam is as prevelant in West Africa as it is in the East Africa. Senegal and Gambia are both over 95% muslim. And if we're talking just raw numbers, Nigeria alone has more muslims than any other country in Africa or the Middle East not named Egypt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

3. Check my earlier post. Both Bantu and Cushitic peoples share a common E-P2 ancestry 30,000 years ago. So while we diverged from our Bantu cousins 30,000 years ago, the rest of humanity outside of Africa diverged from us 60,000 years ago. So we still have more in common GENETICALLY with the Bantu than we do with the majority of people outside africa.

4. Its tough to talk much about history since both bantu and cushitic traditions are oral. There are theories of a shared history in Egypt since there are many Bantu oral traditions about an origin in Egypt and similar traditions among cushitic peoples.

5. Its true our cultures are different. But that is mainly because most Cushites are pastoral nomads while the Bantu are largely farmers. However, there are some critical cultural similarities. The most significant being CIRCUMCISION. No matter where you go in Africa. West or East. Bantu or Cushite. Circumcision and particularly female circumcision is practiced in similar ways. This leads me to believe these practices are ancient and existed when we shared either a shared ancestry or proximity with bantu speakers.

[MaliPrince]

A proud Asian does not reject other Asians.....oh wait they do (Arabs and Indians and Filipinos do not associate with one another even though they share the continent of Asia, and they're both technically "brown" people")

Your argument falls flat on it's face. You're an embarrassment wallahi. Go do some research on the Somali ethnicity and our genetic haplogroups and how we share absolutely no DNA similarities with Adones. Yet you keep insisting we're the same as them.

But if you wanna twerk on camera while listening to Chief Keef, then go right ahead. Self-hater if I ever met one

are you kidding me? asians and indians don't even look similar and in the western world are considered to groups of people...if you actually live here you would know that. go to any race in america and ask them what you are.........smh..dont hold your breath for the answer to be white or arab either.

Were you born retarded?

Arabs are brown-skinned Asians.

Indians are brown-skinned Asians

Filipinos are brown-skinned Asians.

Yet they are NOT the same. So why the fuck would you group a dark-skinned Somali with some Nigerian guy just because of skin color? Do you group a pale-skinned Japanese man with a Norwegian, just because they both have pale-skinned? GTFOH with that nonsense. Prove it to me. Prove to me that Somalis are the same as these Jareer people. We are not.

come on kid. we look alot more like the jareer than a norwegian looks like a japanese.

[MaliPrince]

By the way, not all Somalis are E1b1b... there's a large group of native Somalis that falls under T.

Frequency of T reaches 30% in the Ogaden province and almost 40% in Somaliland.

Indeed, and the "T Haplogroup" is found primarily in Asia, especially the Iraq and Syria region.

And I was making the correct point that Somalis are not related to Sub-Saharan Blacks (Kenyans, Nigerians, Zulus) at all. We Somalis fall under a completely different category.

the problem with relying on haplogroups is they are suspectiple to severe bottlenecks. for example Haplogroup R1b is the most prevelant in western europe but yet there are a ton of people in Chad, Niger, and Cameroon with it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA) should the central and west african tribes with this haplogroup in large numbers also declare themselves unrelated to the rest of their neighbours?

you guys sound like a bunch of uneducated idiots who are trying to spin genetic data and science to fit your world view. all haplogroups tell you is where your most ancient ancestor came from. it doesn't tell you about the rest of your ancestors. for example, many African-Americans have a y-DNA haplogroup of R1b because their most ancient male ancestor was a white man who raped his slave. but most African Americans have largely African ancestry because that mulatto offspring could only marry other blacks and not whites. So the majority of African American ancestry is African eventhough they might have a haplogroup of R1b.

[MaliPrince]

Dadkeeyga waa kan. I am a Somali man.

you should probably not rely on white supremacist propaganda for your information. this graphic come from a notoriously white supremacist website. their agenda is to separate europe and whiteness as far away from africa and blackness as they can. hence the great lengths they go to so that European males with a y-DNA haplogroup of E1b1b don't have to be told their most ancient male ancestor was a black man from Africa.

once again I will REPEAT, E1b1b and E1b1a shared a common ancestor (E-P2) about 30,000 years ago. that means we are more closesly related to the Bantu than any other group outside Africa because the out-of-africa split happened BEFORE we split from the bantus.

so please get your information straight.