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Re: Somali cabbie gets attacked by cadaan cac in Virginia

Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:47 pm
by waryaa
Magnusomalius wrote:So according to FAH here , I get a warning for being to harsh on Minneapolis mayor one of the dumbest posters here , who called this cab driver a terrorist and a traitor and the rest of us stupid somalis for not seeing the 'truth" according to his views ?

No wonder this place has always been the favorite hang out of all the rejects we've got, unbelievable .
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Re: Somali cabbie gets attacked by cadaan cac in Virginia

Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:02 pm
by Magnusomalius
:lol: ok

Re: Somali cabbie gets attacked by cadaan cac in Virginia

Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 5:48 pm
by Alphanumeric
waryaa wrote:awahab, i didn't read most of the posts :) one of hyper's caught my eye.

Alphanumeric wrote:If everything is Qadru Allah, how is it that Allah does not intervene?
think of yourself as a pre-programmed robot with limited autonomy. Your instructional manual is the book of your faith, in this case, the Quran. If you are programmed to have your first mating on a certain day, u'll have it that day without intervention. Intervention comes if God decides otherwise and that session is replaced with something else.
Programming is intervention. Assuming that by "programmed" you mean what has already been written. And if everything is already written, that replacement itself has already been pre-programmed. Nothing occurs that Allah has not already written.
Navy9 wrote:Alpha, read about mu'tazilah and Ash'ariyya debates, see if you can find an answer to your question!!!
I have.
Perfect_Order wrote:
Alphanumeric wrote:If everything is Qadru Allah, how is it that Allah does not intervene?
Qadr or His Will, is all encompassing. Allah's Will is what all of existence runs on, not a single particle could move or continue to exist except that He maintains it and Wills it. When we come from that understanding, we know that nothing can happen without His will. Then there is His Knowledge, that is all encompassing to every all things, nothing shall be or has been but that He already knows it, in a way that is beyond our understanding of time.

Alpha, you are struggling with two concepts that are mutually incompatible, free-will and destiny. That means that we have to hold two opposite things to be true at both times. It's like for me to ask you to believe that you exist and that you do not exist at the same time, impossible, how does one know what non-existence is like? But look at this, Allah is beyond time and space, and therefore his attributes and qualities are beyond time and space, beginning and ending. Yet His Knowledge of All things is of beginnings and endings, the beginning of creation and end of creation, which is in the realm of time and space. Isn't it amazing when you think about it that Allah who is beyond all things still operates in all things, two opposites yet both true. He is not part of creation yet creation is not apart from Him. He commands you to obey Him, yet through His will (no fault of His)you sometimes do not obey Him.

We speak of the tablet and the pen as if we understand the tablet and the pen. Do not forget that they were the first of creation, before this universe. We automatically assume that it is like a tablet and pen in our world, you simply write. Does Allah write, does he use letters, is it in a language, is it in a realm that is limited by time (or even linear time) such as ours etc? Allah is beyond all our imaginations yet we limit his words to our imaginations, as if the Arsh (throne) and Kursi (foot-stool) are actual objects we understand, far be it for Allah to be limited. Do not forget that Arsh, Kursi, Qalam, and Lawh'al'mahfuuz are words of things that are of this world, created things by humans, but Allah uses those words to point you to something greater, things that are too great to comprehend. To bring my point home, look at the paradox of this Universe. They say it is infinite size, yet we know it was once contained in a small manner and that it blew asunder rapidly, but they also say that it will reach a maximum size and comeback together. A paradox I never understood, and what is it expanding into, does it have a space, size?

There is a whole list of paradoxes in the religion, and if you truly want to search for answers, this is probably not the best place to start.
I haven't struggled with anything, but simply pointed out a self-contradictory tenet we're meant to believe entirely. Your post hasn't answered any of the questions posed.
hyperactive wrote:murax , Alpha just confusing himself and mixing between " qodra" and human's choice and Allha's i finite knowledge.

how Allah create you and doesnt know what will be ?

Navy, please explain to them, qodra, in لغة والعقيدة is all on the net but in arabic.
I haven't confused myself at all and I don't appreciate the comment. If you feel there's a sound explanation of qadr, human choice, and Allah's infinite knowledge, in both language and aqeedah, feel free to share it. Otherwise, don't defer your post to another user.