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[TheMailMan]

Look at this MaliPrince character. He's so infatuated with his Jareer masters that he keeps on insisting that we're similar to these people, despite the overwhelming evidence proving that we Somalis, in fact, are not similar to them at all. We Somalis come under our own category. But this coon doesn't see it that way.

1. I don't live in the United States, neither do the overwhelming majority of Somalis. So don't come to me with that "One Drop Rule"....it's bullshit. It's a rule invented by White-Americans in the 20th century and we Somalis have nothing to do with that rule whatsoever. Don't bring it up.

2. "Hip Hop Culture" is in fact worldwide, and is practiced not only by Somalis, but also White-Europeans, Chinese people, and even Arabs and Indians. I've seen Lebanese rap songs, as well as Serbian rap music. I've seen Chinese and Koreans dress in hip-hop style clothing....and this is an effect of globalization and the internet. You would never argue that an Indian wearing hip-hop clothing is Black, but you make this exception for a Somali. Weak argument. Next.

3. We Somalis are far more closely related to the Berbers, the Mediterraneans and other groups of people than we are to the Black Bantus. I've posted the evidence here, and so have MANY other Somali members on this forum. We come under the E1B1B1 haplogroup or the T haplogroup, neither of which is found amongst Bantus. I could care less if we may have shared an ancestor with them 30,000 years ago. That was an unbelievably long time ago, before the last Ice Age, and way before any humans even established a significant presence in Europe. It means nothing. You're getting a little desperate here. 30,000 years ago kulaha. GTFOH with that crap.

4. You're unable to give me any evidence that Somalis are related to Madows, other than your desperate assertion that "Ohhh we shared an ancestor 30,000 years ago"....authubilah. You literally have no idea how long ago that was. Back in those days, the concept of pale-skin didn't even exist. Back in those days, humans didn't even develop farming yet.

5. Your desperate attempt to claim Somalis share a history with them is just that; a desperate attempt. We share no history or culture with these Bantus. And our language (af-Somaali) is an Afro-Asiatic language which comes under the same category as Berber and Semitic languages. Yes there are a couple of exceptions, where Chadian and Hausa languages are included in the mix. But that is an exception, not the rule.

6. Regarding Islam, I was referring to the Jareer-Americans....who are overwhelmingly Kaffir and not Muslim at all. Your typical Shaniqua or Jamal doesn't believe in Islam, doesn't speak our language, doesn't have our culture, doesn't share a genetic haplogroup with us, and doesn't have our history.

The ONLY thing I share with Jamal is skin-pigmentation, other than that we are completely different in every way. Yet you want me to unite with him!? You want me to see him as the same as I am? Fuck outta here with that crap.

7. Indeed there are some West Africans who are Muslim, mashaAllah. And they are my brothers in religion but we are NOT the same racially or ethnically or culturally. And there's nothing wrong with that. I can learn a lot from my Senegalese brothers and they can learn a lot from me. There's no shame in admitting our racial/ethnic differences, as long as we have commonalities under the Umbrella of Islam. I know I'm not an Arab, but that won't stop me from viewing an Arab as my Brother in Deen.

8. My brothers are the Somali people. We are one people, and never will we allow some Madow-lover to appropriate our culture and claim us to be something we're not. This MaliPrince guy himself even admitted that we aren't related to these Bantus, yet he wants us to seek deeper integration with them. He must be nuts.

This is the whole dilemma MaliPrince is facing. He knows that the genetic data proves our assertions correct, which is why he tries to minimize it and insist that we Somalis are genetically related to Bantus, when in fact we are not. He's forced to deal with this uncomfortable conclusion, which is why he's tap-dancing around the issue and talking about racial discrimination in the United States. This dhoqoon doesn't understand that most of us here aren't American, so we don't give a fock what happened in America back in the 1920's. It has nothing to do with us. It ain't my history and those people aren't my people. Plain and simple. I am a Somali man

[TheMailMan]

Really dude? Is the best you can do? Blame White Supremacists even though the genetic data is found and has been studied by all races alike?

Are your arguments really that weak? Is that really the best you can do? Miskeen wallahi

[MaliPrince]

This is why I can't take you seriously:

LESS THAN 1% OF ALL SOMALIS LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES. The vast majority of us live in the Horn of Africa or the Middle East. Why the fuck are you grouping Somalis in with Jareers based on the limited experiences of the very few Somalis who happen to live in North America?

Is logic something you can't seem to understand? I do not define myself based on American standards. I define myself based on Somalinimo, and my history.

I am who my ancestors are. I am a Somali.

are u kidding me? the majority of the diaspora live in the west...the ones I'm talking about are the ones in the west...and that includes that kid you were talking shit about and most of the people on here....i even made a thread about this not too long ago and almost all of them said they were BLACK .....seems to me that you are the only ones confused here...your hateful attitude towards the few blacks that commit crimes is clouding your judgement

What a shitty response. Do you have any idea how many Somalis live in Somalia and the Ogaden and Kenya? There are more Somalis in Garowe alone then there are in Canada/USA/Britain COMBINED. Yet you want to define Somalis on American standards.You want to define us based on what some Americans incorrectly assume about our people? Are you f-king serious?

A tiny tiny percentage of Somalis live in North America and Britain.

I'm telling you, you're a self-hating troll. You've lost whatever pride you had. You group yourself in with these weed-smoking, pants-sagging, hair-braiding thugs. I have nothing to do with these people. I am a Somali

Somalis in Somalia are no different than Somalis in the West.











I'll give you credit if you can figure out which ones are in the West and which ones are in Africa.

[Itrah]

Wallahi you guys are IDIOTS.

You guys pretend to be genetics experts, but none of you comprehend the basics of haplogroups.

Male haplogroup frequencies have VERY LITTLE to do with genetic 'relatedness'. I repeat, they have very little to do with genetic affinity.
One guy can theoretically be the father of 10,000 people. However, a woman is limited by about 10 children.
That's why maternal DNA reveals true genetic ties of populations. Paternal DNA does NOT. You never find absurd mtDNA frequencies like you do with yDNA.

As for Somalis, on the maternal DNA they are *NOT* close to Berbers or Jareers. We only have similar haplogroup frequencies as the Ethiopians when it comes to maternal ancestry.

[MaliPrince]

Look at this MaliPrince character. He's so infatuated with his Jareer masters that he keeps on insisting that we're similar to these people, despite the overwhelming evidence proving that we Somalis, in fact, are not similar to them at all. We Somalis come under our own category. But this coon doesn't see it that way.

1. I don't live in the United States, neither do the overwhelming majority of Somalis. So don't come to me with that "One Drop Rule"....it's bullshit. It's a rule invented by White-Americans in the 20th century and we Somalis have nothing to do with that rule whatsoever. Don't bring it up.

2. "Hip Hop Culture" is in fact worldwide, and is practiced not only by Somalis, but also White-Europeans, Chinese people, and even Arabs and Indians. I've seen Lebanese rap songs, as well as Serbian rap music. I've seen Chinese and Koreans dress in hip-hop style clothing....and this is an effect of globalization and the internet. You would never argue that an Indian wearing hip-hop clothing is Black, but you make this exception for a Somali. Weak argument. Next.

3. We Somalis are far more closely related to the Berbers, the Mediterraneans and other groups of people than we are to the Black Bantus. I've posted the evidence here, and so have MANY other Somali members on this forum. We come under the E1B1B1 haplogroup or the T haplogroup, neither of which is found amongst Bantus. I could care less if we may have shared an ancestor with them 30,000 years ago. That was an unbelievably long time ago, before the last Ice Age, and way before any humans even established a significant presence in Europe. It means nothing. You're getting a little desperate here. 30,000 years ago kulaha. GTFOH with that crap.

4. You're unable to give me any evidence that Somalis are related to Madows, other than your desperate assertion that "Ohhh we shared an ancestor 30,000 years ago"....authubilah. You literally have no idea how long ago that was. Back in those days, the concept of pale-skin didn't even exist. Back in those days, humans didn't even develop farming yet.

5. Your desperate attempt to claim Somalis share a history with them is just that; a desperate attempt. We share no history or culture with these Bantus. And our language (af-Somaali) is an Afro-Asiatic language which comes under the same category as Berber and Semitic languages. Yes there are a couple of exceptions, where Chadian and Hausa languages are included in the mix. But that is an exception, not the rule.

6. Regarding Islam, I was referring to the Jareer-Americans....who are overwhelmingly Kaffir and not Muslim at all. Your typical Shaniqua or Jamal doesn't believe in Islam, doesn't speak our language, doesn't have our culture, doesn't share a genetic haplogroup with us, and doesn't have our history.

The ONLY thing I share with Jamal is skin-pigmentation, other than that we completely different in every way. Yet you want me to unite with him!? You want me to see him as the same as I am? Fuck outta here with that crap.

7. Indeed there are some West Africans who are Muslim, mashaAllah. And they are my brothers in religion but we are NOT the same racially or ethnically or culturally. And there's nothing wrong with that. I can learn a lot from my Senegalese brothers and they can learn a lot from me. There's no shame in admitting our racial/ethnic differences, as long as we have commonalities under the Umbrella of Islam. I know I'm not an Arab, but that won't stop me from viewing an Arab as my Brother in Deen.

8. My brothers are the Somali people. We are one people, and never will we allow some Madow-lover to appropriate our culture and claim us to be something we're not. This MaliPrince guy himself even admitted that we aren't related to these Bantus, yet he wants us to seek deeper integration with them. He must be nuts.

This is the whole dilemma MaliPrince is facing. He knows that the genetic data proves our assertions correct, which is why he tries to minimize it and insist that we Somalis are genetically related to Bantus, when in fact we are not. He's forced to deal with this uncomfortable conclusion, which is why he's tap-dancing around the issue and talking about racial discrimination in the United States. This dhoqoon doesn't understand that most of us here aren't American, so we don't give a fock what happened in America back in the 1920's. It has nothing to do with us. It ain't my history and those people aren't my people. Plain and simple. I am a Somali man

damn nigga, u ain't need to write a damn thesis. unlike you, I don't believe race even exists. IMO its just a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT based on the notions of the society you live in. trying to find race based on genetics is foolish. look no further than the natives of the andaman islands.



to the naked eye these people look no different than most Africans. however, they live on a small chain of islands off the coast of India. and have done so for at least the last 20,000 years if not much longer. GENETICALLY they are in the same haplogroup as ASIANS (particularly the Japanese and Chinese). they are GENETICALLY as far from Africans as you can get, yet they look like em. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andamanese_people

so are the Andamanese asians or africans? the real answer is NO ONE FUKKIN CARES. If you pop one of these lil niggas into the United States or Europe, they'll be treated like every other black person regardless of their HAPLOGROUP, LANGUAGE, or HISTORY. race is a social construct. its not a DNA test. its not a choice. yes I am Somali first and foremost. but in America (WHERE I LIVE), if the society views me as a black man no different than the African Americans, why should I waste my time trying to fight 500 years of conditioning? when I know the whole concept of race is bullshit in the first place?

[Itrah]

American Somalis are so retarded.

It's always them that advocate for black unity and other ridiculous notions. You never find such attitudes among European Somalis for whatever reason. Even though Europe is much whiter than America.

[MaliPrince]

Wallahi you guys are IDIOTS.

You guys pretend to be genetics experts, but none of you comprehend the basics of haplogroups.

Male haplogroup frequencies have VERY LITTLE to do with genetic 'relatedness'. I repeat, they have very little to do with genetic affinity.
One guy can theoretically be the father of 10,000 people. However, a woman is limited by about 10 children.
That's why maternal DNA reveals true genetic ties of populations. Paternal DNA does NOT. You never find absurd mtDNA frequencies like you do with yDNA.

As for Somalis, on the maternal DNA they are *NOT* close to Berbers or Jareers. We only have similar haplogroup frequencies as the Ethiopians when it comes to maternal ancestry.

true. but our maternal dna is still largely L3 (which is primarily found in East Africa). and L3 is descended from the other L mtDNA haplogroups which are found across the rest of Africa. its the same story as the E-P2. sometime about 30k years ago, our ancestors (both maternal and paternal) were the same as the ancestors of the bantu. and as my last post shows, DNA haplogroups don't always correlate with PHENOTYPE (which is what race was originally based on).

[Lancer]

American Somalis are so retarded.

It's always them that advocate for black unity and other ridiculous notions. You never find such attitudes among European Somalis for whatever reason. Even though Europe is much whiter than America.

Somalis are bullied by cadans because they are black but when somalis say they are black the african americans tell them they are not black but somalian pirates so somalis are confused and suffer from identity crises. That is why most adopt the black culture to fit in it.

[TheMailMan]

MaliPrince, you sound a little crazy here.

Again, the vast majority of Somalis do not live in America, and are thus not bound by American social standards on race. We don't give a fock what the American society thinks we Somalis are. I know who I am. I am a Somali and I'm proud of my heritage.

BTW Itrah you don't seem to understand here that I largely agree with you.

Again, I repeat: Somalis are not related to Bantus whatsoever. We come under a different category and have nothing to do with these West Africans or South African Bantus. And we aren't related at all genetically to the Afro-Americans or Jamaicans either. Nothing in common with them except skin-color. That's it.

[Itrah]

Somalis are bullied by cadans because they are black but when somalis say they are black the african americans tell them they are not black but somalian pirates so somalis are confused and suffer from identity crises. That is why most adopt the black culture to fit in it.

Nah, I think it is because of brain washing by African Americans and their propaganda.

In Europe, the Somalis usually do not associate with any of the other blacks, except for some of the Muslim ones and the habash.

[AbdiJohnson]

Mailman, the man who claims to be religious is emphasizing the point that Somalis are not related to the Bantu as if he is trash or something

Disgusting hypocrites

I am,

Abdi "I thought you were all the children of Adam" Johnson

[MaliPrince]

American Somalis are so retarded.

It's always them that advocate for black unity and other ridiculous notions. You never find such attitudes among European Somalis for whatever reason. Even though Europe is much whiter than America.

its because we see what positives UNITY has over division. why is that its America, a country where only 14% of the population if "black", that there is a "BLACK PRESIDENT". while there are countries like Brazil, which under the American definition of black would be more than 50% black has never had anything close to a non-white president?

the difference is because the one-drop rule, originally created by white slave masters as a way of maximizing the number of slaves they could have, united all people with black ancestry in america. it didn't matter that frederick douglass was actually born to a white father, in America he was still a slave. that united the blacks of america so that they ALL saw their interests as the same whether they were light skin or dark skin. in Brazil you had a different story. the slaves there were separated based on differences in skin tone so that not all the descendants of slaves saw their interests as the same. this led to division and group in fighting. its why Brazil to this day, although overwhelming dark skin is still dominated by white skin europeans descendants.

the reason I advocate black unity is simple. ITS TO OUR ADVANTAGE. you get more out of this society the greater the numbers you have. why limit yourselves?

[Togdeer]

Somalis are bullied by cadans because they are black but when somalis say they are black the african americans tell them they are not black but somalian pirates so somalis are confused and suffer from identity crises. That is why most adopt the black culture to fit in it.

Nah, I think it is because of brain washing by African Americans and their propaganda.

In Europe, the Somalis usually do not associate with any of the other blacks, except for some of the Muslim ones and the habash.

Not true. Somalis in Europe class them selves as Somalis. Not Habashi, not black and not african. We may be black by colour but we are completly different people. And somalis get more respect than other black people. We all know Somalis are at the bottom of the food chain, but somalis get more respect than normal black, even though somalis hardly contribute to society. But then again somalis are stubben, and very difficult to control.

[TheMailMan]

American Somalis are so retarded.

It's always them that advocate for black unity and other ridiculous notions. You never find such attitudes among European Somalis for whatever reason. Even though Europe is much whiter than America.

Somalis are bullied by cadans because they are black but when somalis say they are black the african americans tell them they are not black but somalian pirates so somalis are confused and suffer from identity crises. That is why most adopt the black culture to fit in it.

Somalis who adopt the "Black culture" almost always end up being harmed because of it. They end up taking harmful drugs, or getting involved in crimes which put them in prison. The Somali-Canadians alone are put in prison in unusually high numbers, and it's often because we've imitated the Adone "gangsta" culture. Many Somali boys are even killed due to this "thug" lifestyle, and it's destroying our people saaxib.

On the other hand, we have Somalis who adopt the extremist "Salafi" culture and they end up dressing/talking like Arabs, and adopting their ways of doing things. That's the 2nd extreme.

It's because of their identity crisis. They don't know who they are, so they end up imitating other cultures instead of their own Somali culture. We need to be self-aware of who we are as Somalis. We can achieve anything as a people as long as we stick together and are self-aware of our heritage.

[Itrah]

Not true. Somalis in Europe class them selves as Somalis. Not Habashi, not black and not african. We may be black by colour but we are completly different people. And somalis get more respect than other black people. We all know Somalis are at the bottom of the food chain, but somalis get more respect than normal black, even though somalis hardly contribute to society. But then again somalis are stubben, and very difficult to control.

With associate, I meant with whom they socialize and find similarities with. Not their identity.