Muslims for Progressive Values

[accident]

How is homosexuality the issues when they are trying to change things that are more important? Women and men praying together, etc.

[abdisamad3]

this kufar org are even openly lying about quran, this is something I found on their website,

Like the Bible, and most other religious texts, the Qur'an doesn't have any verse that says, "God has made you male and female, straight and gay. Be you as brothers to one another

which is in contradiction with surah an naba verse 8 where it says and we created you in pairs (meaning male and female now they are even lying about the quran to make it fit with their filthy agenda subhana-laah,

[ToughGong]

this kufar org are even openly lying about quran,

Subhanallah

oggow gaalku abidkii
iriduu marinaayo awr raran
irbadbuu ku dayaa ayaamaa horee

[abdisamad3]

seemeyer, so yaab ma ahan sxb xitaa qurankii baa hada been lagasheegaya markaas baa lagu leeyahay dadkaan waa muslim horumar jecel,, khaniisnimo fitna iyo galanimo baa lagu leeyahay waa horumar,,anaga shekadaas noola imaanayan

[union]

Union aren't you scared that you might go too far? You know we are taught in Islam that if something wrong is being done we should stand against it physically, if you can't then you should speak up against it and if you can't you should at least know in your heart it is wrong. There are a lot of injustices being carried out by Muslims against Muslims and non Muslims alike but lets put that to the side for a minute and speak of progression. I think the one issue, the main issue that I am stuck on and you are stuck on and seems to be the biggest leap is homosexuality. So let's talk about that for a minute. There is a lot of room for argument in a lot of issues; should women and men be able to pray side by side given that during the time of the prophet they did, there are a lot of counter arguments which may be inferred from sources in Quran and haddith but certain things are black and white in the Quran. Even if you decide you don't trusts haddiths which is another argument all together but if there is an ayat in the Quran that says an absolute no to anal sex and that is what it means to practise homosexuality then how can you feel comfortable as a person who believes the Quran is the word of Allah to advocate for homosexuality?

Don't you find it the same as advocating for alcoholism when alcohol is clearly forbidden in the Quran or incest when it is also forbidden. Where do you draw the line and do you think that you are getting carried away?

BV, you are in error when you reduce homosexuality only to anal sex. Many lesbians would take great offense to that, why are you leaving out their fingering sessions? Anyway, on a more serious note, as of now we are ignorant as to the causes of human sexuality. But from the scientific research done thus far, it’s becoming evident that an individual’s sexual orientation is largely outside of their control. Homosexuality is neither a choice nor a mortal depravity; it is the way a minority of the human population chooses to express their love and sexuality. They have a right as human beings to be respected, treated with dignity and not face discrimination because of their genetic disposition. Intolerance and ignorance are the scourge of humanity, and we refuse to sacrifice any one group to shield ourselves against the scorn of those with regressive mindsets. The foundation of the Islamic faith is not based in hatred and justifications for hatred, it is based on believing in the oneness of Allah and the finality of the prophecy of Muhammad (PBHU). My faith will not be shattered if I refuse to take part in the persecution of a minority group, a group we now realize to be a natural part of God’s world.

[Saraxnow]

should women and men be able to pray side by side given that during the time of the prophet they did

That never happened!

It did and it does today. My aunt was telling me how she was praying next to men when she went for Hajj.

What are you saying?

Hajj is a different faridah to Salah in the masjid, you are not even allowed to cover your face and the Wives of the Prophet had to uncover their faces in hajj when they normally covered. It is not a normal circumstance.However, in the Masjid, the Sahabah and the Sahabiyyat did not pray next to each other, but the prayed men in the front row, young boys in the middle and women behind...in that order. There is even a hadith where the Prophet saws mentions that the best row in Salah for men is the front and the best row for the women is the last and when prayer is finished men should sit and wait so the women can leave the masjid first

[accident]

It did and it does today. My aunt was telling me how she was praying next to men when she went for Hajj.

What are you saying?

Hajj is a different faridah to Salah in the masjid, you are not even allowed to cover your face and the Wives of the Prophet had to uncover their faces in hajj when they normally covered. It is not a normal circumstance.However, in the Masjid, the Sahabah and the Sahabiyyat did not pray next to each other, but the prayed men in the front row, young boys in the middle and women behind...in that order. There is even a hadith where the Prophet saws mentions that the best row in Salah for men is the front and the best row for the women is the last and when prayer is finished men should sit and wait so the women can leave the masjid first

Undoubtedly the Sunnah is for the women’s rows to be behind the men, as was the case at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Al-Bukhaari (380) and Muslim (658) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) that his grandmother Mulaykah invited the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to a meal that she had made for him, and he ate some, then he said: “Get up and let me lead you in prayer.” Anas said: I went and got a reed mat of ours that had become blackened from long use, and sprinkled it with water. Then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood, and the orphan and I stood behind him, and the old lady stood behind us, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led us in praying two rak'ahs, then he left.

Al-Haafiz said in al-Fath: This hadeeth teaches us a number of things… that women should stand behind the men’s rows, and a woman should form a row on her own if no other woman is present.

There are even more hadiths. What is wrong with people?

[Saraxnow]

^ Their problem is ignorance and/or stubborness

[Enlightened~Sista]

I was talking about the Hajj obviously men and women pray in different rows in masjids.

[MrSinister]

homosexuality is haram, at least man on man action, but lesbians are not so bad as long their hot and are entertaining men.

[TheblueNwhite]

The light's on but no one's home.

[Maxamad87]

Nice pictures advo.

MSA across the nation are embracing the progressive Muslim movement. A few have resisted, but they come in line when their funding and privileges are targeted for being intolerant.

Its called bidcaa moron...

These people are commiting sin.

[Maxamad87]

Union aren't you scared that you might go too far? You know we are taught in Islam that if something wrong is being done we should stand against it physically, if you can't then you should speak up against it and if you can't you should at least know in your heart it is wrong. There are a lot of injustices being carried out by Muslims against Muslims and non Muslims alike but lets put that to the side for a minute and speak of progression. I think the one issue, the main issue that I am stuck on and you are stuck on and seems to be the biggest leap is homosexuality. So let's talk about that for a minute. There is a lot of room for argument in a lot of issues; should women and men be able to pray side by side given that during the time of the prophet they did, there are a lot of counter arguments which may be inferred from sources in Quran and haddith but certain things are black and white in the Quran. Even if you decide you don't trusts haddiths which is another argument all together but if there is an ayat in the Quran that says an absolute no to anal sex and that is what it means to practise homosexuality then how can you feel comfortable as a person who believes the Quran is the word of Allah to advocate for homosexuality?

Don't you find it the same as advocating for alcoholism when alcohol is clearly forbidden in the Quran or incest when it is also forbidden. Where do you draw the line and do you think that you are getting carried away?

BV, you are in error when you reduce homosexuality only to anal sex. Many lesbians would take great offense to that, why are you leaving out their fingering sessions? Anyway, on a more serious note, as of now we are ignorant as to the causes of human sexuality. But from the scientific research done thus far, it’s becoming evident that an individual’s sexual orientation is largely outside of their control. Homosexuality is neither a choice nor a mortal depravity; it is the way a minority of the human population chooses to express their love and sexuality. They have a right as human beings to be respected, treated with dignity and not face discrimination because of their genetic disposition. Intolerance and ignorance are the scourge of humanity, and we refuse to sacrifice any one group to shield ourselves against the scorn of those with regressive mindsets. The foundation of the Islamic faith is not based in hatred and justifications for hatred, it is based on believing in the oneness of Allah and the finality of the prophecy of Muhammad (PBHU). My faith will not be shattered if I refuse to take part in the persecution of a minority group, a group we now realize to be a natural part of God’s world.

The people that Prophet Luut (AS) was sent to would say otherwise... I am sure Allah was advocating tolerance when he had them utterly destroyed.

No matter what rationale you propose, at the end of the day homosexuality is haram. End of.

[SahanGalbeed]

Voltage

I am a believer in progressive values. I don't know why Somalis become pretentious and try to beat each other in terms of who could seem the most "conservative" or unreasonable when it comes to any issue not concerning them but if we must look at it, ALL the freedoms we enjoy in Western society from the right to worship our faith, the right of our mothers to cover their heads, the right to be equal under the law even though we are racial minorities, the right to speak, and vote, and lobby, etc all stem from progressive movements. Just as some of you say you spit on the ground when you see homosexuals on the street, so too are there people who spit on the ground and are livid throughout the day on seeing your black skin in their neighborhood or your Muslim identity in their towns. The value in progressive movement is that neither you have anything to do about the right of individual to be who they are and nor do they have anything to do with your own right to be who you are. Let's not try to paint progressive values in negative light now as it stands in our Western homes because abolition of slavery was considered the most radical idea at one point, and progressive fighters took it on. Civil rights for ethnic minorities was considered the most radical of ideas at one point and progressive fighters took it on. The right of us to sit in the same classroom as whites was considered the most radical of ideas and progressive fighters took it on. And now most progressive activisim is towards economic justice and even if they would go and champion homosexuality and abortion, what is it to you? Let live and live life. The limits to freedoms in these societies doesn't stop at your doorstep, rather it will move beyond you as swiftly as it came to you.

Still, I think a distinction has to be made between a secular Western society and a faith like Islam. Islam is a complete way of life and you are either a subscriber to it or a detractor of it. You cannot try to mold it to whatever whims and desires you have. Islam grants many rights to humanity and it is true oftentimes individuals have abused the name of the faith for political humanly purposes much as the same as the papal clergy had done in medieval Europe but let's not abuse the nature of the faith by likening it to clay molding it however suits us.

definition of opinion
1/

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

or
2/

a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

So what are you trying to say here ?
that you are a

I am a believer in progressive values

or that you

think a distinction has to be made between a secular Western society and a faith like Islam

or that you simply don't know ??

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