Rationalizing modern Somali origin theories with oral histor

[neocon_2007]

E! whats the definition of BOON?

[Advocatar]

interesting theories james.............

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[quote="neocon_2007"]E! whats the definition of BOON? [/quote]

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[neocon_2007]

[quote="e!"][quote="neocon_2007"]E! whats the definition of BOON? [/quote]

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wtf

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[quote="neocon_2007"][quote="e!"][quote="neocon_2007"]E! whats the definition of BOON? [/quote]

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[gurey25]

[quote="James Dahl"]Somali Oral history clearly states that Sheikh Darod converted the Somali to Islam.

Islam was present in Somalia before that in Zeila and Mogadishu, but those were not yet Somali cities.
By 1000 AD the Somali had not yet left the Tana valley, and had very limited contact with the Muslims of the coastal cities.

There were probably Muslim Boon clans in and near Berbera between 700 AD and 1000 AD, but they aren't Somali per se.[/quote]

James.. the Darood are not the only somali clan.
and as a clan thats ancester supposdley arrived from arabia in the 11th century as they claim, they would not make an impact on somali society till they grow to substantial size this takes a couple of centuries,
the same with Isaaq which arrived 2 centuries later more or less.

You have left out centuries of Somali muslim history, which is more specificly DIR history.
The northern part of somalia especially the coastline from djibouti to berbera to maydh was populated by DIR
one of the oldest clans, along with the Afar which lived further to the east , near hargeisa and berbera and were pushed to their current location west in the 1500s due to displacement from the Imam Gurey war.

[Warsame101]

Since when did Sheikh Isaaq (RH) and Sheikh Daarood (RH) bring Islam to the locals? Islam, as gurey stated, existed prior to their arrivals. Somalis before the arrival of these two shuyukh already had many reputable scholars such as Sheikh Uthman bin Ali al-Zayla who wrote the well known sharh Taybin al-Haqa'iq li-Sharh kanz al-Daqa'iq in the 12th century and his student, Abdullah bin Yusuf (RH), was a muhaddith who documented volumes upon volumes on the athars of the Prophet (SCW).

Both Sheikh Daarood and Isaaq had no noteworthy Islamic achievements attached to their names and legacy. They did not leave behind any written works or knowledge.

Furthermore, Daarood did not cross the Jubba prior to 19th century and thus had no single contact with the Ajuuraans. When they did cross, Mareexaan (mostly reer Xasan) and Absame raided many areas and subsequently secured the entire Jubbas which lead to a mass-migration of Daarood to settle there.

[Padishah]

This is fascinating.

[Hyperactive]

Intresting. Theres couple books by egyptian writter. Talks about Somali origin. That was also very intresting but what i am not sure is he made the only Somali origin Dir and Haweya.

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http://historicaltextarchive.com/books. ... d=47&cid=2

Talks about zelia

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

i am the descendant of Reer Hassan who conquered the Jubba for my clan the Mareexaan

[James Dahl]

[quote="Warsame101"]Since when did Sheikh Isaaq (RH) and Sheikh Daarood (RH) bring Islam to the locals? Islam, as gurey stated, existed prior to their arrivals. Somalis before the arrival of these two shuyukh already had many reputable scholars such as Sheikh Uthman bin Ali al-Zayla who wrote the well known sharh Taybin al-Haqa'iq li-Sharh kanz al-Daqa'iq in the 12th century and his student, Abdullah bin Yusuf (RH), was a muhaddith who documented volumes upon volumes on the athars of the Prophet (SCW).

Both Sheikh Daarood and Isaaq had no noteworthy Islamic achievements attached to their names and legacy. They did not leave behind any written works or knowledge.

Furthermore, Daarood did not cross the Jubba prior to 19th century and thus had no single contact with the Ajuuraans. When they did cross, Mareexaan (mostly reer Xasan) and Absame raided many areas and subsequently secured the entire Jubbas which lead to a mass-migration of Daarood to settle there.[/quote]

Zeila had beem Muslim since the 7th century, but was part of the Axumite civilization, and was inhabited by people similar to the Harari today. From the 7th to the 14th centuries the Axumites were divided between the Christian, Muslim and Jewish Axumites, and fighting amongst themselves weakened Axumite civilization terribly. The Cushite peoples they had been pushing out of the highlands for 1000 years pushed back.

It wasn't until the 13th century when the Christian Axumites gained the upper hand, and founded a new civilization, the Abyssinian. Adal for instance was a Muslim Axumite civilization that had Somali and Afar subjects, but was not itself an Afar or Somali civilization, but a Harari one.

The Somali themselves did not recieve Islam from the north spreading south, but rather the Benadiri in Mogadishu, Merca and Brava spread it to the Somali via merchants and traders travelling inland. Due to Qabiil (which was just as strong then as today) the Somali could not be converted as individuals, but rather the leaders of the tribes would have to be converted, and their relatives would immediately follow suit. Oral history and my own belief is that Sheikh Darod convinced Hawiye and Dir to accept Islam, and to forge an alliance, and Dir sealed the deal by marrying his daughter to Sheikh Darod.

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

James Dahl what Legacy did Daarood leave behind?

[James Dahl]

Hard to say. I am certain there is evidence and perhaps even written accounts of Darod's legacy buried somewhere in Somalia, but the archaeological work neccisary to find it and interperet it correctly simply has not been done.

There is literally 5,000 years of history buried under the earth in Somalia, and the ancient civilizations of Somalia are the last great unanswered mysteries of history. Somalia is where Africa met China and India, and such places are where archaeology is richest in answers.

The maddening thing is that a lot of this information isn't even buried, it's just in the hands of disconnected Mosque archives scattered across Somalia, and if all those records and books were brought together and scholars could put the accouts together, and elders from all the clans compared the records with their own intimate knowledge of their own bloodline, then an incredibly accurate and comprehensive history could be compiled.

[Sadaam_Mariixmaan]

do u believe in Oral Stories about him being a Qureyshi?