Somali president pardons former Supreme Court Chief

[Sheikh-InkaarQabe]

Sheikh-InkaarQabe, I will support AY if he rules with Shariica. Can he?

You can't have shariah without fixing some of the urgent problems of poverty, terrorism etc. Ideally shariah should be the law for all muslim countries, but when you look at the shariah Saudi's are using, one cannot help but notice how easily shariah law can be manipulated for peoples own agendas.

[eternauta]

You can't have shariah without fixing some of the urgent problems of poverty, terrorism etc. Ideally shariah should be the law for all muslim countries, but when you look at the shariah Saudi's are using, one cannot help but notice how easily shariah law can be manipulated for peoples own agendas.

Is there's a Muslim country that fixed poverty, terrorism etc, and then had shariah? I am asking 'cause I want to know your theory of first fixing and then shariah can work.

[Sheikh-InkaarQabe]

Eternauta

No, I don't think there is. That's why most countries that use shariah, mishandle and abuse it. Parts of nigeria and saudi arabia are two glaring examples of that.

is there a country that uses shariah justly and ideally? What model should A/Y and co be looking at when establishing shariah? or are you only interested in having it established without making sure it's correct and those in charge are erudite and fair muslim scholars?

[fagash_killer]

[quote="muslim-man"]"the country should be free of all kind of beliefs thats the way we need to go"

You and ina yey and few other dabadhilfs may love to go that way but dont include us inyour fantasies nayaa [/quote]

you have no other choise sxb. the sons of somalia will make sure to keep the terrorist at bay and to free somalia from the wahabist rule aswell and give equal right and justice to all clans and to all kind of believe thats the way to move forward sxb

[eternauta]

Eternauta

No, I don't think there is. That's why most countries that use shariah, mishandle and abuse it. Parts of nigeria and saudi arabia are two glaring examples of that.

is there a country that uses shariah justly and ideally? What model should A/Y and co be looking at when establishing shariah? or are you only interested in having it established without making sure it's correct and those in charge are erudite and fair muslim scholars?

If there's no example country, what guarantees your theory (fix first then shariah) can succeed? Saudi Arabia isn't an Islamic country; it's a secular hereditary monarchy. It isn't theocratic. The fact that the country is named after a man (Al Saud) is another indication it's secular. I haven't been following what's going on in the Nigerian state where shariah is applied.

AY can look at the model of past caliphates for shariah. It shouldn't be difficult. He can even look at the model of Malaysia. I am interested in establishing shariah because that's what Islam requires Muslims to do. There's nothing in Islam that says you have to first fix poverty, terrorism etc and then establish shariah. How does shariah hamper of makes it difficult fixing poverty, terrorism etc before it's established?

[Sheikh-InkaarQabe]

Eternauta

No, I don't think there is. That's why most countries that use shariah, mishandle and abuse it. Parts of nigeria and saudi arabia are two glaring examples of that.

is there a country that uses shariah justly and ideally? What model should A/Y and co be looking at when establishing shariah? or are you only interested in having it established without making sure it's correct and those in charge are erudite and fair muslim scholars?

If there's no example country, what guarantees your theory (fix first then shariah) can succeed? Saudi Arabia isn't an Islamic country; it's a secular hereditary monarchy. It isn't theocratic. The fact that the country is named after a man (Al Saud) is another indication it's secular. I haven't been following what's going on in the Nigerian state where shariah is applied.

AY can look at the model of past caliphates for shariah. It shouldn't be difficult. He can even look at the model of Malaysia. I am interested in establishing shariah because that's what Islam requires Muslims to do. There's nothing in Islam that says you have to first fix poverty, terrorism etc and then establish shariah. How does shariah hamper of makes it difficult fixing poverty, terrorism etc before it's established?

No guarantee's other than logic, do you think someone who's hungary who steals should have their hands cut off? What about punishment for hadd offences? some countries that use shariah don't use lashing and stoning as punishment for severe offences like theft or adultery. But some do,northern Nigeria, saudi arabia for example.

As for Saudi arabia, many would say pure shariah is used in saudi arabia not for everyone but some.

If there is no consistency on what shariah law should be and no two countries with the same set of laws, then it becomes impractical.

[eternauta]

No guarantee's other than logic, do you think someone who's hungary who steals should have their hands cut off? What about punishment for hadd offences? some countries that use shariah don't use lashing and stoning as punishment for severe offences like theft or adultery. But some do,northern Nigeria, saudi arabia for example.

As for Saudi arabia, many would say pure shariah is used in saudi arabia not for everyone but some.

If there is no consistency on what shariah law should be and no two countries with the same set of laws, then it becomes impractical.

How did the early Muslims upto the last caliphate (632-1924) manage to establish shariah? There were periods of famine and natural disasters, and sure some hungry Muslims resorted to stealing, and yet they still managed to uphold shariah. How? You said "some countries that use shariah don't use lashing and stoning as punishment for severe offences like theft or adultery"; which countries are you referring to?

[Sheikh-InkaarQabe]

No guarantee's other than logic, do you think someone who's hungary who steals should have their hands cut off? What about punishment for hadd offences? some countries that use shariah don't use lashing and stoning as punishment for severe offences like theft or adultery. But some do,northern Nigeria, saudi arabia for example.

As for Saudi arabia, many would say pure shariah is used in saudi arabia not for everyone but some.

If there is no consistency on what shariah law should be and no two countries with the same set of laws, then it becomes impractical.

How did the early Muslims upto the last caliphate (632-1924) manage to establish shariah? There were periods of famine and natural disasters, and sure some hungry Muslims resorted to stealing, and yet they still managed to uphold shariah. How? You said "some countries that use shariah don't use lashing and stoning as punishment for severe offences like theft or adultery"; which countries are you referring to?

"The majority of Middle Eastern countries, including Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria, have not adopted Hadd offences as part of their state law"

[eternauta]

"The majority of Middle Eastern countries, including Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria, have not adopted Hadd offences as part of their state law"

Sheikh-InkaarQabe, but the majority of Middle Eastern countries are ruled with secular laws based on English and French laws, not shariah.

[Sheikh-InkaarQabe]

"The majority of Middle Eastern countries, including Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria, have not adopted Hadd offences as part of their state law"

Sheikh-InkaarQabe, but the majority of Middle Eastern countries are ruled with secular laws based on English and French laws, not shariah.

No they are ruled by shariah, not complet shariah but shariah law none the less mixed with some secular laws. The only country that comes close to complete shariah law is Saudi Arabia.

So you believe in sever punishment for hadd offences, that is stoning and lashing?

[eternauta]

So you believe in sever punishment for hadd offences, that is stoning and lashing?

It's the duty of every Muslim to believe such punishments. Western secular punishments are inefficient.

[Sheikh-InkaarQabe]

So you believe in sever punishment for hadd offences, that is stoning and lashing?

It's the duty of every Muslim to believe such punishments. Western secular punishments are inefficient.

Actually Stoning hoes is not a bad idea