Why are MJ always so Hostile towards Merahan and Ogadens

[SomaliAmir]

Also "Darood" is irrelevant in somali society today, regions and interests are more important than clan relationships.

so what you are saying is that you have to choose between clan affiliation or regional interest. why can't you do both. Ilhamdulilah, Puntland is blessed with many resource the one thing it lacks is a strong agricultural sector, I fear that the policy of isolationism will dome puntland. Somalia have the largest birthrate in the world and they won't stop having babies even though the environment can't support them.

now everything is find now what about 25-50 year from now when puntland population hit 6-9 million how will you feed all these people if you turn away from you brethen, the jubba vallery can feed all of somalia but isolated these clan and they will turn away from us forever and puntland will have to export or buy from the hawiye at exortional prices

it because people done thing about the future and learn from their mistake that that paves the way from their undoing.

[RebelLion]

Somaliamir

Did you mean Gedo? the USC captured gedo and held it for a month. You're right all somali clans suffered and Majeerteen are doing fine alhamduillah. But where do you see hostility, are we talking about this forum or in real life?

[RebelLion]

Also "Darood" is irrelevant in somali society today, regions and interests are more important than clan relationships.

so what you are saying is that you have to choose between clan affiliation or regional interest. why can't you do both. Ilhamdulilah, Puntland is blessed with many resource the one thing it lacks is a strong agricultural sector, I fear that the policy of isolationism will dome puntland. Somalia have the largest birthrate in the world and they won't stop having babies even though the environment can't support them.

now everything is find now what about 25-50 year from now when puntland population hit 6-9 million how will you feed all these people if you turn away from you brethen, the jubba vallery can feed all of somalia but isolated these clan and they will turn away from us forever and puntland will have to export or buy from the hawiye at exortional prices

it because people done thing about the future and learn from their mistake that that paves the way from their undoing.

One thing you should know about Majerteen is they are business people, and business has no qabil. Also, Puntland has a long coastline and water filled with many variety of fish, so long as people learn to fish they can sustain themselves for a long time. Not to mention possible oil in bari and nugaal. The future of puntland will be positive so long as we have competent leaders.

Darood is not neccessary, there are intereverine clans like the rahanweyn that are also farmers we can make trades with them for agricultural goods. Darood is practically irrelevant after the civil war with, ogaden massacring(cumar jess) harti elders and elite, Majerteen capturing kismaayo and marehan using ceyr to capture kismaayo afterwards. Every clan was and is thinking of themselves. And maybe it's time dhulbahante started thinking of their own interests as well(puntland) instead of worrying about 'darood' or some other nonsense.

Why do you assume hawiye will sell at extortional prices? there is no basis for that assumption. Hawiye are also good business people and can be reasoned with,and if truth be told, Hawiye is no different than marehan or ogaden, both are somali people at the end of day.

[SomaliAmir]

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One thing you should know about Majerteen is they are business people, and business has no qabil. Also, Puntland has a long coastline and water filled with many variety of fish, so long as people learn to fish they can sustain themselves for a long time. Not to mention possible oil in bari and nugaal. The future of puntland will be positive so long as we have competent leaders.

Darood is not neccessary, there are intereverine clans like the rahanweyn that are also farmers we can make trades with them for agricultural goods. Darood is practically irrelevant after the civil war with, ogaden massacring(cumar jess) harti elders and elite, Majerteen capturing kismaayo and marehan using ceyr to capture kismaayo afterwards. Every clan was and is thinking of themselves. And maybe it's time dhulbahante started thinking of their own interests as well(puntland) instead of worrying about 'darood' or some other nonsense.

Why do you assume hawiye will sell at extortional prices? there is no basis for that assumption. Hawiye are also good business people and can be reasoned with,and if truth be told, Hawiye is no different than marehan or ogaden, both are somali people at the end of day.[/quote]


I now that Mj are Entrepenuers and that the coast of puntland is Alhumdulilah bountiful the whole oil thing is neither here or there so let not speculate.
the fact is the development of puntland fishing industry require capital so where is that money supposed to come from let me guess the Oil. you know that even if oil is found the Ajnabi companies will take 60% + of the profit because they are providing the labour, the transportationt the equipment, the expertise. even if puntland get 30% how will you split the profit between the population. for example if most of the drilling happens in nugaal does the reer nugaal get 80% and 20 goes to the central government. soon it will be subclan against subclan you know what Oil has done to the middle east and Africa eg Nigeria

How do you split the profit fairly and prevent this nightmarish Scenario ?


"Darood is practically irrelevant after the civil war with, ogaden massacring(cumar jess) harti elders and elite, Majerteen capturing kismaayo and marehan using ceyr to capture kismaayo afterwards"

if reconciliation is going to happen amoung the somali people it should first start at home. how are we supposed to reconcile with let say the Hawiye when will still hold grudge against our own kinsmen. what happened in the south was terrible, but if we don't let go of our hate we can't move on.

"Why do you assume hawiye will sell at extortional prices? there is no basis for that assumption. Hawiye are also good business people and can be reasoned with,and if truth be told, Hawiye is no different than marehan or ogaden, both are somali people at the end of day"

the Hawiye are somali and they are good business men trouble with businessmen is that they will bleed you dry. it happen in 1980s in hamar the abgaal own all the shops in Xamar and they skyrocket the price of sugar no Darood would afford sugar to make tea not even the Marehan. and one more thing to trade with the Rahawayn where do you have to cross, Galgudug and Hiiraan and who live in these two province. anytime political crises occur in new somalia they can cut off supplies to puntland or sell at exortational price.

think about it

[SomaliAmir]

werent ogaadeens the ones that killed, and burned more than 100 mj men alive? werent they the one that helped siyad bare to mass murder mjs because they refused to follow his orders. werent ogaadeen the ones that sold mjs to the xabash few years ago, the so called ONFL sold harti men mainly mjs to xabash. so dont start why mj this, why mj that. mjs were victims too. is funny how hawiye are allowed to play victims because of whats happening in xamar, and is funny how isaaqs can play victims when they so called snm warlords killed innocent men (including my own adeer) because in the name of faqash. once a an america soldier who has seen what really goes on in Iraq said. 'one man's hero, is another man's terrorist' so you, ogaadeens and mareexaans (even though you are the last people on earth who should play victims) might play victims, but whats happening in your own back yard as in jigjiga and gedo are your own doings. you didnt for once thought about other people's lives and feelings when you were committing the mass murders across the regions of somalia. when ogadens were playing the foot soldiers of siad bare. when more than 100 mj men were lined up and shot, point blank,(5 of my dad's brothers were included) because they refused to follow the crazy man's orders. so i wouldnt for once feel anything but hostility towards marehan and ogadens, had it happened to me.i guess what goes around comes around. marehan and ogaden advice for you! dabada iskuxijiya

first of all, Surrender I am really sorry for you loss, Ilahay ha u naxaristo all the men from you family that were killed and all the innocent lives that were lost in the long night that was Somalia civil war

I am not Merahan or OG , I am Dulbahante and perhaps I wasn't been sensitive about what emotions this topic would bring to the surface

Again I am sorry for you loss.

[Murax]

Surrender,

Fyi Somali Emir is not Marexaan, but aun Your Uncles.



Rebel Lion,

Saaxibow sharaf isku yeel and quit mentioning Kismaayo over and over again. Kismaayo ragg baa jooga, raggna baa qabsaday, raggna baa degan and there Marexaan. Talk to anybody who's been to Kismaayo and if there truthful they'll tell You the entire city is Marexaan. Qaraarnimoda badan meel iska dhig sxb the fact is that little city marexaan baa kaa qaday fair and square marka life goes on sxb take it like a man.

[original dervish]

even without any foreign investment(save somali diaspora), somalia can flourish and bloom.if only there was a real and lasting peace.

somalia doesn`t need politicians and big government(i think there are at the last count 30+ ministers),just the minimum amout to regulate and administer the economy/ country(mostly skilled and professional civil servants).

there is no peace in somalia because there is no genuine leadership.eg geedi,riyaale and cadde dupe and loot their countrymen at every opportunity.what future is there with this kind of corrupt leadership?

[RebelLion]

Somaliamir

The oil revenue and how it will be divided is something we cannot speculate on right now, we're getting ahead of ourselves. If done right it can benefit everbody in the region. Nigeria is a big country with a large population and a whole lot of ethnic groups. It's easy for one group or coalition of groups to control and manipulate other. Puntland is small region, and any leader will be held accountable for corruption and clans will hold him accountable. I don't think we'll turn into a nigeria hopefully more like abu dhabi(UAE), but we'll see I suppose.

As for darood reconciliation, I don't think there is any real hatred or bitterness between MJ and OG, and MR's. Just political differences, and that's normal and kismaayo is one of the major reasons for those differences.

I'm sure darood nomads in somalia have no problem with each other. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Murax

Kismaayo doesn't belong to anybody, true marehaan are in charge right now, but anything can happen. You need to relax, don't go on a qule rage at any mention of kismaayo.

[SomaliAmir]

Somaliamir

The oil revenue and how it will be divided is something we cannot speculate on right now, we're getting ahead of ourselves. If done right it can benefit everbody in the region. Nigeria is a big country with a large population and a whole lot of ethnic groups. It's easy for one group or coalition of groups to control and manipulate other. Puntland is small region, and any leader will be held accountable for corruption and clans will hold him accountable. I don't think we'll turn into a nigeria hopefully more like abu dhabi(UAE), but we'll see I suppose.

As for darood reconciliation, I don't think there is any real hatred or bitterness between MJ and OG, and MR's. Just political differences, and that's normal and kismaayo is one of the major reasons for those differences.

I'm sure darood nomads in somalia have no problem with each other. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Murax

Kismaayo doesn't belong to anybody, true marehaan are in charge right now, but anything can happen. You need to relax, don't go on a qule rage at any mention of kismaayo.

maybe, Maybe your right, I may have allowed the whole online qabil bashing to cloud my thoughts but that does change my overall view that Daroods should work together to rebuild their regions and then with the help of the other clans rebuild our nation.

may Allah let me live to see that day

when somalia will again know peace,security and prosperity

vive

[Xamud.]

Too be honest I think its the other way around! Ogadens hate MJs with passion, and they fear Marexaans. Marexaans and MJs are just power grippin on each other.....You never see them fighting in real life, they are pretty close.

[mizz d-block]

mjs hate evryone cos they nasty an haters just as long u lot know d-block is not punaniland and stop kissing our azz

[Advo]

^I dont think ur darood let alone dhulbahante......magaca aad ku qaraabaneeysid iska dhig iddor yahey.

[siren]

mjs hate evryone cos they nasty an haters just as long u lot know d-block is not punaniland and stop kissing our azz

What a sheegato! Tuuf caalayk!

[sheekh-Farax-zero]

^I dont think ur darood let alone dhulbahante......magaca aad ku qaraabaneeysid iska dhig iddor yahey.

real Daarod

[GENERAL_SNM]

I want to ask one question.
When did dhulbahnte remember what Harti is, because when they were Siyad Barraun's henchman am sure no thought of Hartinimo existed in their heads.
You cant scream HARTI, when the going gets tough and you need support.Unity is a two way ticket, I scratch your back you mine.
And before you start screaming am only stating the truth to further my needs, because he wants dhulbahntes in :somaliland: , I dont even believe in seperation and have no hidden agenda.