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RIIGHAYE wrote:There is no Islamic faith, norms or strict culture that can mold the black family towards growth and harmony in its early union. Life is made hard for them by a systematic government policies that deprive them of basic services. Even a quarter of the Tax revenues blacks give to the federal and state governments aren't plowed back into the community for public services funding such as education, the creation of jobs, supporting small businesses, and enough resources for the police to honestly and truly fight and weed out the drug and gang related crimes.

I think the black communities constantly face dangerous uphill battle designed from top and they are the most institutionally discriminated society in America. Even Immigrants exploit the system much better than them. It's hard to believe how patriots they are in defending this country and the wretched condition they live.

It's the government's responsibility to fullfill three core needs by giving its citizens Education, creating jobs, and Supporting Family Planning.

Islam helps that

it stops them from having wedlock children and makes men accountable, therefore the family structure rises
knowledge is sought, not discarded

there is only so much the government can do, blacks cant keep blaming the feds or the states with all that is in front of them

Cawar wrote:Razz,

Excuse for my persistency..but I happen to believe that..if ppl/the system or everything is against you??
You need to do an extra job/effrot to prove your enemies wrong, the cyinics who doubted you wrong..and more importantly..
Over achieve/work..so that they will have no excuse to blame you for failure..and thats beyond race btw.

Are you for real? Black people need to build up for themselves and not to prove anything to anybody but themselves.

Did you do a jig or the Shuffle along before or after you wrote that?
Do you not know how the racist mind works? A black man can have 3 degrees, A six figure income,and a big house on the hill but that won't make Billy Bob down in cracker county alabama think any different. It won't cause some racist blue blood from up north let him join their clubs or respect him more.

Black people have only one person to prove themselves to and thats themselves. I work hard for myself and family. Not to get a smile and pat on the head from some white man.

"Black people have only one person to prove themselves to and thats themselves"

Thats abt the only thing I agree with you dear.

PS. Not to cause or any raise any alarms..but why is that any black man/woman straight from Africa who has those degrees almost alwyas succeeds in America..?
Whereas, in your claim, the AA..doesnt?? maybe cos its all in your bias?? cos I have very hard time accepting that a PHd AA holder wont succeed cos he is black.

Now, it depends on what you consider succeedin..but thats another story.

Cawar wrote:"Black people have only one person to prove themselves to and thats themselves"

Thats abt the only thing I agree with you dear.

PS. Not to cause or any raise any alarms..but why is that any black man/woman straight from Africa who has those degrees almost alwyas succeeds in America..?
Whereas, in your claim, the AA..doesnt?? maybe cos its all in your bias?? cos I have very hard time accepting that a PHd AA holder wont succeed cos he is black.

Now, it depends on what you consider succeedin..but thats another story.

Once agian you read what is not there. I never wrote that AAs with an education don't move up. My family is proof of what a good head on your shoulders and a good education can accomplish. However do you think this is going to make a racist person like us or accept us more? If anything they will hate us for making something of ourselves.

We work hard for ouselves. Not for smiles and nods of approval from someone else. Im sure the Africans( mostly the nigerians you somalis like to call adoon and look down on ) who do move up feel the same way.

Why do I get the feeling that your defending the AA's against me?? as though am white or something??

Anyhow, lemme tell you something...that we all somalis have in common..and not cos we look down on our African bros..or what not..but..
that we consider the white man as inferior..
And not JUST because of his colour..or our unique looks..but because of our religion..Islam.

Thats why I meantioned Malcolm X..instead of the much hyped(respectful in my view) MLK.

Cawar wrote:Why do I get the feeling that your defending the AA's against me?? as though am white or something??

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Good lord you are dense. I do not feel the need to defend myself or other AAs against anyone but ourselves.

As though you are white

^^^^I....You..... Well its like this............Screw it. I don't know where to start. You revealed alot about your self with that statement

Ok..ok..

Laughter..and then some..then what???

Ok we can take this thing abt a personal jouney or just take it the way it is.

I don't live in america but i think that the black man is stuck in time, iff the black man realy wanted to make someting off his life instead off dealing drugs and making rap music he could. I believe that you can do anything you want in life the black man is just extreamly selfish, lazy and has no trust in him self what so ever.
Iff you look at the juwish people they have been treated verry bad aswell and look at them now its called determination another thing the black man doesn't have.
And one more thing we as a black race are not united at all the somali's call other black people adon, than here in europ we have the problem off caribians vs africans.. how can we ever raise as one iff continu like this,,, the white people are verry united as a race they stand up fore eachother help eachother and support eachother. Iff we start helping the less fortuned black children and educate them start putting our effort in our own continent this horrible situation could change soon ..
Iff we don't the black man will alway's be the last on the list dreaming about the day we will raise a people

this women is absolutely right..it also applies to Somali women who constantly drone about how worthless Somali men are. I mean seriously who gave birth to all those warlords? who brought them up? Wasn't it not women?

There's a lot of good and bad in the black community.

I will only concentrate on the good from here on out .

PS: the same thing applies to the somalis indeed, I have been saying it all along , we need our sisters to stick with us in these dark hours of collective confusion

razzberry wrote:Its a sad but terrible thing Thats been happening since the black family structure was broken down in america over 400 years ago.

In America Black people were not even allowed to get married to each other in till the late 1800s.

Black men were legally forbidden to protect their women in till the 1960s.

Black men were not allowed the the type of well paying jobs needed to care for a family in till the 1960s. Affermative action was more of a benefit to black women than black men. Thats still true today.

In the 70s and late 80s black men were unfairly targeted buy the law and then put through an unjust legal system there buy screwing up any chance at ever being a good provider.

Im not one to play the blame game and black folks do need to get their sh!t together but with facts and statistics like these why are so many people shocked and surprised by the state of american black families today?

Black people are useless, just take a look at , R.Kelly and co? as soon as they make money they think the are untouchable. fukkin morans, what gets under my skin is that they make money by singing about their hard childhood. Yet they dont give a shidh back too their communities. Black people in America are doomed too be slaves for every. You might think your free, but your not.

Am glad am Somali! atleast we dont possess the same slave mentality.

so much blame on blacks, let 'em be folks.

but dont most people imatate black people in america dress like them and talk like them with nigga and so on. so they must be doing something right give them credit for that

anaga maha black man noga galey anagiba ba dareeqooda ko so'ona sidan arko.
anigi deen iyo daqan heysaney baba teena la liidana.

ladan #1 wrote:I don't live in america but i think that the black man is stuck in time, iff the black man realy wanted to make someting off his life instead off dealing drugs and making rap music he could. I believe that you can do anything you want in life the black man is just extreamly selfish, lazy and has no trust in him self what so ever.

I can agree with most of this. Many black men lack confidence.