Richard Burton

[peace-]

Hold on, so you think you're Arab?

knowing im not hawiye is confort

[James Dahl]

I do find it quite amusing how all the old books on Somalia are basically just one long account of the nasty slanderous rumors regarding enemy clans and idle speculation on their personal habits, and how their ancestry is really descended from the union of a latrine cleaner and a prostitute or something.

The more things change, the more they stay the same, though the nicknames are better now I think.

[Waraabekale]

james dahir


The general survey of Somaliland protectorate by J.A. Hunt

where can I get it?

where did you find it

thats a class book

[James Dahl]

james dahir
The general survey of Somaliland protectorate by J.A. Hunt
where can I get it?
where did you find it
thats a class book

Somebody put up a copy of parts of it verbatim on their website at one point, but they were forced to take it down I guess.
Good for Isaaq genealogical information, but not much else.

[S_lander-boy]

Starcream I don't think am a arab but I don't believe these weak baseless biased documents somalis have a lot of theories regarding our anchesters but not facts my only option is DNA am gonna do that in future.

[Starscream]

James,


Needless to say that I love my female ancestors more than the male ones, but they're not relevant for me in this case. They could all be Chinese for all I care, I calculate my kinship strictly patrilineally. I'm bothered by the fact that the Arab lineage theorists have weak arguments to their claims and are heavily influenced by, what I regard as, folklore. But they dominate this discussion with their make-belief and I don't know why. Probably the common desire to distance themselves away from other Africans.


The only thing that has been proven is that the Somali has 3 times more 'white' DNA than 'black' DNA.

[Waraabekale]

james dahir are u kidding it is reported to be the most exstensive research.
partly geologic,topography and public information...

[James Dahl]

james dahir are u kidding it is reported to be the most exstensive research.
partly geologic,topography and public information...

Well that's true, it's a very comprehensive and complete study, I've just had tunnel vision lately.
It's data more than anything without analysis, which is the golden resource of a historian of any stripe.
It's very limited however to colonial British Somaliland, which has a well documented history already.

[James Dahl]

James,


Needless to say that I love my female ancestors more than the male ones, but they're not relevant for me in this case. They could all be Chinese for all I care, I calculate my kinship strictly patrilineally. I'm bothered by the fact that the Arab lineage theorists have weak arguments to their claims and are heavily influenced by, what I regard as, folklore. But they dominate this discussion with their make-belief and I don't know why. Probably the common desire to distance themselves away from other Africans.


The only thing that has been proven is that the Somali has 3 times more 'white' DNA than 'black' DNA.

Well... studies aimed at this have found the opposite actually. Most Somalis have the signature Cushite Y chromosome, and almost all of them have Cushite or Bantu X chromosomes. The majority of Somalis are either Digil/Mirifle or Hawiye/Pre-Hawiye, which together make up something like 8 million people, or about 75% of the Somali population, and do not seriously claim paternal Arab ancestry, though such a claim did exist historically.

While most Darood and Isaaq have Arab Y-dna, they are nowhere close to the majority of the population.

[Waraabekale]

all authors praise this book from biologists mapping Surad forests in Sanaag to UN officers working on the ground.
its very comprhensive

no wonder its no where to be found....

that civicwebs had very little information by the way
the source is much greater i heard

[S_lander-boy]

Let's end these baseless theories , about our anchestors DNA is the keyword test one Isaaq man 1 hawiye man and one darood man the mystery is solved.

[Starscream]

If this is a result from reliable research, than I have no reason not to believe it. Did it have more to say about the Y chromosome? Such as wether or not we're Qahtani or Adnani?


slanderboy, what do you think James and I are talking about, about coconuts and mangos?

[James Dahl]

If this is a result from reliable research, than I have no reason not to believe it. Did it have more to say about the Y chromosome? Such as wether or not we're Qahtani or Adnani?


slanderboy, what do you think James and I are talking about, about coconuts and mangos?

The Qahtani/Adnani split didn't happen long enough ago to show up in Y-dna tests, both are haplotype J1, which coincidentally is the haplogroup of most Darood I've heard have taken the test. You can't prove that you're descended an Adnani or Qahtani Arab, or even whether you're an Arab or Hebrew with a DNA test, just if your patrilinear ancestor was a Semite or not.

Noone's sampled enough Somalis do determine the percentage of Y-DNA of this or that clan, but the simple fact is that the non-Darood, Isaaq or Hawiye population is vastly underreported. It's most of the population are not one of those three clans, they're just the three most POWERFUL clans, but most people are "other".

[Waraabekale]

wtf dahir

and when or if somalis prove to be arabs of origin
where are you placing your self later in this racial hiearchy on the top as white

Somalis are negroes period

[Anab]

Richard Burton was a misfit bigot, manipulator, ignorant and ruthless Colonialist foot soldier. Nothing less can describe the damage, misrepresentation and prejudices of his material toward Somalis and other Africans. Such concoction has no place in the enlightened and sovereign minds of the young generation. His notes fall beyond the limits of human decency and that is why even his wife fittingly burnt his other voyeuristic and scandal-ridden material after his death.
This azzhole was a good spy a coward of a man a top liar I read his book First footsteps in East Africa.

here is a link


http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/b/burton/richard/b97f/

Lader I am not convinced. All this fake outcries ONLY makes me suspect u adore Mr. Burton, but u just want to create a discussion for the sake of it. Any comment?