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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best?

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Diyeeshaha_Tolka wrote:
hyperactive wrote:war nin kas wa politician,
and policians always change where their intrest lies.

marka ninku wah ghareeb ah lama iman.

odeygi shariif ahmed ahaba wad arkeysa maanta sidu yahay iyo shalay sidu aha. :lol: :lol:

lol shariif ahmed the last 2 years laba jeer ayuu mooqifkiisa badalay,,laakiin ninkan voltage every week ayuu is badalaa,,
:lol: just because he is older and more experinced.
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IF THE OLDIES DONT GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER

somalia will be in the hands of 20-30 year olds who witnessed all this chaos, and most of them already qualify as a cold blooded moriyan

IF they get their act together and form a proper government :up: although it will take a decade to rehabilitate the moriyans who form the majority of the populations
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I support Sheikh SHareef as long as he does not object to the ferederalism of Somalia which is suppose to be based on the clan borders before the Europeans conquered Somalia.
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Voltage wrote: If AL SHabaab resists, they will unmask themselves as enemies of the Somali people. Ethiopia is gone and the honorable fight against them will always be viewed as the war for liberty and freedom, but the fact is Ethiopia is now gone. It is Somalia and Somalis. If Al Shabaab picks up the gun against the Somali consensus and dialogue to bring their nation back, they would have declared themselves as enemies of the Somali people and it is both religious and patriotic to support a campaign against them.
nacasyaho, has it ever dawned on you that al-shabab never toke up arms for a nationalistic cause, nor for liberty or freedom, but for allah's cause and deen?

to them (rightly), allah's sovereignty and shariah can't be compromised at all - and compromise it and, therefore, his imaan is exactly what sharif has done by accepting man-made laws/concepts and by allying himself and his group with the murtad tfg and their kuffar allies (the west/ethiopia) - and also that allah's laws aren't compatible with western/eastern political philosophy; because, to them (again, rightly), ruling by other than what allah has revealed is clear kufr and takes one out of the fold of islam.

and further more, if their purpose - which, thankfully, it's not - was only restricted to expelling all kuffar out of somali land and ensuring the liberty and freedom of all somalis, not allah's cause/deen, as you're implying, then it'd still be upon them to resist sharif and his murtad allies, for they're willing to negotiate with the enemy over some parts of somalia/the liberty and freedom of certain somalis.

so, if they are sincerely fighting for allah's cause, as they say they're, then they can't just turn around and support kufr constitution based on western concepts/values - where man-made laws have rights over allah's law - and ally themselves with the very apostates they were just fighting. for if they did, it'd make them hypocrites and take them out of the fold of ummat al-mu'minin.

so, not resisting the murtad sharif and his allies (foreigners or not) isn't an option to al-shabab. and also, by resisting the murtads and standing up for islam, the mujahideen are doing what's in the best interests of the somali people. surly if somalis are muslims (which, alhamdulillah, they're), then only islam has their best interests at heart. no?

anyway, at the end of the day, the mujahideen will have to answer to their creator - allah swt - not the somali people.
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Somali-Star wrote:
Voltage wrote: If AL SHabaab resists, they will unmask themselves as enemies of the Somali people. Ethiopia is gone and the honorable fight against them will always be viewed as the war for liberty and freedom, but the fact is Ethiopia is now gone. It is Somalia and Somalis. If Al Shabaab picks up the gun against the Somali consensus and dialogue to bring their nation back, they would have declared themselves as enemies of the Somali people and it is both religious and patriotic to support a campaign against them.
nacasyaho, has it ever dawned on you that al-shabab never toke up arms for a nationalistic cause, nor for liberty or freedom, but for allah's cause and deen?

to them (rightly), allah's sovereignty and shariah can't be compromised at all - and compromise it and, therefore, his imaan is exactly what sharif has done by accepting man-made laws/concepts and by allying himself and his group with the murtad tfg and their kuffar allies (the west/ethiopia) - and also that allah's laws aren't compatible with western/eastern political philosophy; because, to them (again, rightly), ruling by other than what allah has revealed is clear kufr and takes one out of the fold of islam.

and further more, if their purpose - which, thankfully, it's not - was only restricted to expelling all kuffar out of somali land and ensuring the liberty and freedom of all somalis, not allah's cause/deen, as you're implying, then it'd still be upon them to resist sharif and his murtad allies, for they're willing to negotiate with the enemy over some parts of somalia/the liberty and freedom of certain somalis.

so, if they are sincerely fighting for allah's cause, as they say they're, then they can't just turn around and support kufr constitution based on western concepts/values - where man-made laws have rights over allah's law - and ally themselves with the very apostates they were just fighting. for if they did, it'd make them hypocrites and take them out of the fold of ummat al-mu'minin.

so, not resisting the murtad sharif and his allies (foreigners or not) isn't an option to al-shabab. and also, by resisting the murtads and standing up for islam, the mujahideen are doing what's in the best interests of the somali people. surly if somalis are muslims (which, alhamdulillah, they're), then only islam has their best interests at heart. no?

anyway, at the end of the day, the mujahideen will have to answer to their creator - allah saw - not the somali people.
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bro, no one doubts the zealousness of al-shabaab, however, not everyone agrees with them on what they're doing. Intention is not enough, you've got to do things the right way and you've got to prioritize things in their importance. From what you've said this is the interpretation i get: follow our interpretation of the shariah or else you get the chop! What do they plan to do when they face others with just as much certainty that they're fighting for the cause of Allah?

Not everyone who disagrees with abu munsoor is in love with whatever government is in power. It is important that one get out of their binary matrix. It is not just black and white, there is lots of gray also.
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it's not even about interpretation....it's rejecting islam altogether (and when you reject part of islam you reject the whole):
Somalia: Islamic Scholars Should 'Stay Away From Politics,' Says Sheikh Sharif

http://allafrica.com/stories/200812100053.html
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Voltage

What made you flip flop once again? Now you support Shieck sharif(who will likely be the next president of somalia), when days ago you were die hard al shabab?

This guy switches positions more than a thai hooker.

Nonetheless, this unity government should be given a chance by everyone and hopefully the somali republic will be rebuilt with a bottom up approach where peaceful regions are still in control of their own affairs. Even though realistically speaking, this new transitional government would only be controlling Mogadishu and banadir. It is still a good step in the right direction.
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This post is baseless, and just mere speculation. Speculation does not equal results.
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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best?

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hyperactive wrote:somalia needs a miracle.

hyper,

Maybe this 20 years was the Bu3aath for Somalis like the Khaws & Azraj had their Bu3aath before the Nabi (saw) came.
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Gedo_Boy wrote:
hyperactive wrote:somalia needs a miracle.

hyper,

Maybe this 20 years was the Bu3aath for Somalis like the Khaws & Azraj had their Bu3aath before the Nabi (saw) came.
So who do you suppose is coming for somalia to the rescue??? lol
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Re: Did it dawn on you that Somalia has changed for the best?

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Voltage


Spot on sxb, I truly believe we should set aside our feelings and smell the coffee, it's in our best ineterst to support shiek shariif due to his age, free of any past governments and being religious, so what his accussed of this and that, at the end of the day, he survived and is aiming high, until we have a better candidate, his the best of the bunch now.
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Advo wrote:

Spot on sxb, I truly believe we should set aside our feelings and smell the coffee, it's in our best ineterst to support shiek shariif due to his age, free of any past governments and being religious, so what his accussed of this and that, at the end of the day, he survived and is aiming high, until we have a better candidate, his the best of the bunch now.
What is that on your mouth?
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HOPE

and

PEACE
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I cannot believe that you assume Sharif Ahmed would actually be a good president. Hope and peace does not exist in the realm of Mogadishu, that place lost its sight, and identity when millions of people were killed based on their birth right. You happen to be apart of that denied birth right. You stand afoot with someone who is resist in destroying, you and your kind. But hides behind what we all cherish, ISLAM. History has a fine line of repeating itself, it is based on consistence and unruliness. A person who has known destruction, cannot know peace. It is a fact, not a statement.
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